thanks@@SimCoaches, I will do one, if I survive my first drives IRL! 🤣 I am sure your products are awesome and worth every penny, Proven by your passion for it. Keep on going! I just started ACC after "arcading" with GT7 (my first racing game & wheel). What a rabbit hole real Sim-Racing is.
My road car's brakes work like a hydraulic sim racing pedal - the pedal is connected to a pressure sensor, and the braking is controlled by a computer.
If the brake is compressing springs or elastomers why does it matter if I'm doing it directly or through a hydraulic cylinder? You can't compress the hydraulic fluid right, so why should it feel any different?
@@stevenlarson3316 it’s a great question - the reason is because the hydraulic pedal creates a ton more force at the cylinder so we can compress a much much stiffer material. If you put our soft Belleville springs on non-hydraulic pedals they’d feel outrageously stiff. Our cylinder is tested up to 2000psi. That’s a ton of pressure
@ because the value is putting a large pressure sensor on it. If you just put soft material then you don’t use anywhere near the sensors full value. The goal is to make 0% pressure and 100% pressure further away from one another so trail braking and rotating the car with the brakes becomes much much easier With small range sensors it’s much more difficult to do since the range is smaller. Same if you put soft springs, would only make say 600psi on a full 1600psi stroke Think of it like more resolution at the sensor which makes the detail more fine.
@@SimCoaches I appreciate the responses, I've never used a hydraulic brake, but my experience with a regular elastomer brake tells me that having leverage on the brake wouldn't help me modulate the pedal more accurately. I understand that having leverage in a real car is beneficial when you're pushing on a brake drum. But in this case, it's an elastomer or spring and the effect it creates is set in the software. So, making it easier to press doesn't benefit me in the same way. Like I said if I wanted it to be easier, I could just swap to a softer spring or elastomer stack. The resolution I get is from the increased effort I put into the brake to modulate my own inputs and has nothing to do with how hard the brake is pressing on the elastomer. It could be pressing for a billion pounds and moving a skyscraper, but if my leg only feels 30 pounds of pressure that's all the resolution I get. Again, this works for a real car, but there's no mechanical leverage needed in a simulation, you just set that in the software, so you max out the brakes at whatever pressure is ideal for you. Sorry if I'm missing something fundamental here, but I'm not sold on the whole hydraulic brakes for sim racing thing here. I also question why, if hydraulic brakes were superior, would pros use spring and elastomer brakes like Heusinkveld and rate them as some of the best you can buy when they aren't Hydraulic.
sorry friend, you’re completely missing the point by trying to find the aha here. You’re not grasping that high end hydraulics like ours use Belleville springs and load cell pedals use springs and elastomers and that within itself is literally the value. Load cell pedals cannot use Belleville springs. The feeling the two pedals give under your foot are completely different just like how potentiometer and load cell pedals are completely different feel because of what they’re each outputting to the system There’s no aha here dude. You’re on the right path but until you figure out that elastomers don’t translate 1:1 feedback from pedal to sensor because their squish soaks some up, you’ll understand there’s huge value in not having a cheap setup You’re largely overthinking this right now
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PROBLEM SOLVED: I just built a cheap Logitech Break Pedal into my car! Saved me a lot of money and my Rig is equally realistic now.
🤣🤣🤣 that’s awesome
Waiting for the DIY video 🤣
thanks@@SimCoaches, I will do one, if I survive my first drives IRL! 🤣 I am sure your products are awesome and worth every penny, Proven by your passion for it. Keep on going!
I just started ACC after "arcading" with GT7 (my first racing game & wheel). What a rabbit hole real Sim-Racing is.
My road car's brakes work like a hydraulic sim racing pedal - the pedal is connected to a pressure sensor, and the braking is controlled by a computer.
Pretty damn cool!!!!!
JUST received hydraulic brake last night……will never look backOMFG
@@mad7620 it’s a huge difference, isn’t it!!?
What is the proper way to adjust the brake to acheive 1600psi?
We’ve recently upgraded our hydraulics to 1600psi over the 1000psi.
Just a simple sensor swap! 😃
I went with Huesinkveld Ultimates and haven’t looked back.
Glad you're happy with those
If the brake is compressing springs or elastomers why does it matter if I'm doing it directly or through a hydraulic cylinder? You can't compress the hydraulic fluid right, so why should it feel any different?
@@stevenlarson3316 it’s a great question - the reason is because the hydraulic pedal creates a ton more force at the cylinder so we can compress a much much stiffer material. If you put our soft Belleville springs on non-hydraulic pedals they’d feel outrageously stiff. Our cylinder is tested up to 2000psi. That’s a ton of pressure
@SimCoaches well why not just use a material that is softer, if the pedal is doing the work how does that change for me? Do I notice a difference?
@ because the value is putting a large pressure sensor on it. If you just put soft material then you don’t use anywhere near the sensors full value. The goal is to make 0% pressure and 100% pressure further away from one another so trail braking and rotating the car with the brakes becomes much much easier
With small range sensors it’s much more difficult to do since the range is smaller. Same if you put soft springs, would only make say 600psi on a full 1600psi stroke
Think of it like more resolution at the sensor which makes the detail more fine.
@@SimCoaches I appreciate the responses, I've never used a hydraulic brake, but my experience with a regular elastomer brake tells me that having leverage on the brake wouldn't help me modulate the pedal more accurately.
I understand that having leverage in a real car is beneficial when you're pushing on a brake drum. But in this case, it's an elastomer or spring and the effect it creates is set in the software. So, making it easier to press doesn't benefit me in the same way. Like I said if I wanted it to be easier, I could just swap to a softer spring or elastomer stack.
The resolution I get is from the increased effort I put into the brake to modulate my own inputs and has nothing to do with how hard the brake is pressing on the elastomer. It could be pressing for a billion pounds and moving a skyscraper, but if my leg only feels 30 pounds of pressure that's all the resolution I get. Again, this works for a real car, but there's no mechanical leverage needed in a simulation, you just set that in the software, so you max out the brakes at whatever pressure is ideal for you.
Sorry if I'm missing something fundamental here, but I'm not sold on the whole hydraulic brakes for sim racing thing here. I also question why, if hydraulic brakes were superior, would pros use spring and elastomer brakes like Heusinkveld and rate them as some of the best you can buy when they aren't Hydraulic.
sorry friend, you’re completely missing the point by trying to find the aha here. You’re not grasping that high end hydraulics like ours use Belleville springs and load cell pedals use springs and elastomers and that within itself is literally the value. Load cell pedals cannot use Belleville springs. The feeling the two pedals give under your foot are completely different just like how potentiometer and load cell pedals are completely different feel because of what they’re each outputting to the system
There’s no aha here dude. You’re on the right path but until you figure out that elastomers don’t translate 1:1 feedback from pedal to sensor because their squish soaks some up, you’ll understand there’s huge value in not having a cheap setup
You’re largely overthinking this right now
Hydraulic all the way. I like the inverted ones.
Inverted just gives a real natural feeling, do you agree?
Most of us prefer a soft one on our shafts
Blah blah blah
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