A Bleached Downfall Part 1 - Strong Beginnings

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  • Опубликовано: 23 окт 2024

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  • @pogo8050
    @pogo8050 3 года назад +4

    Early Bleach’s artwork is so charming and expressive, goddamn

  • @zemox2534
    @zemox2534 4 года назад +14

    I feel bad for Kubo. The pressure from editors and the declining fanbase really hurt Bleach in the long run. At least Kubo and Bleach are getting the recognition they deserve.

    • @doishooligan
      @doishooligan 3 года назад +2

      All authors from long-running shounen series in Jump receive pressure from editors. This is no excuse. It's not like someone held a gun to Kubo's face and forced him to write for Jump. He was a grown ass man when he started and he and only he is responsible for his decisions.

    • @zemox2534
      @zemox2534 3 года назад +2

      @@doishooligan Look he made mistakes and I was not fucking defending them but being a manga creator is extremely difficult. You try getting up at 4 am every bloody day of every month and every year to draw and write manga panels to meet the deadlin. He tried his best and most fans did not appreciate it at the time. Did I at any point try to defend Kubo bad decisions? No. I was stating te fact the mangs creators have it rough and they at least deserve a little sympathy.

    • @doishooligan
      @doishooligan 3 года назад +3

      @@zemox2534 Look, I get your point, all I'm saying is that this was his choice. You can either choose Jump and let this inhumane schedule affect your art or choose other options, where you probably won't get the same amount of money and exposure, but you won't be subjected to the same amount of stress. And he made his choice.
      IMO, when we criticize art, we are criticizing the end product, not what goes behind the curtains. I'm sorry, but I don't think that they should get a pass when criticizing their manga over something that they willingly got themselves into. If you do, it's fine, I'm not holding it against you.

    • @ayhamahmad2277
      @ayhamahmad2277 7 месяцев назад

      Its not the first time that happens just look what they did to Naruto ending the only reason kagua exists to set up for boruto and they ruined guy moment by keeping him alive the only reason he is alive because he was pupuler character so they forced kishimoto to keep him alive

  • @DemonicRemption
    @DemonicRemption 4 года назад +14

    Greg:"Ichigo's not a flawed hero..."
    Me:"Are you blind? Ichigo was quite flawed. When he first started the Shinigami gig, he had to learn the responsibility that came with the job. He couldn't focus on protecting his family, but any soul that needed to be sent to the after life. In fact that's Ichigo's whole arc learning that 'With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility.' All the while he heads into each battle assured of his victory only to get knocked down, and have to find the strength he needs to win.
    But I'm not dumb, as I get why everyone can't see Ichigo's character depth or arc. The expectation of a dynamic character is established from everyone's first shonen, and every shonen to follow. This is why no one labels Yusuke Urameshi, or the Joestar family with the same criticisms as Ichigo Kurasaki, as they like him lack personal goals. Because they have dynamic personalities that appeal more to shonen fan than Ichigo's passive approach towards everything around him that isn't of the spirit realm."

    • @carlacarrero4975
      @carlacarrero4975 4 года назад +6

      DemonicRemption also people keep forgetting that ichigo has a guilt and must protect complex that also affected his family that he learns to get over in time

    • @zemox2534
      @zemox2534 4 года назад

      Ichigo is Peter Parker, except he gets a happy ending. Just as long as he does not make a deal with Satan to save his Father.

    • @craigime
      @craigime 3 года назад

      exactly

    • @DemonicRemption
      @DemonicRemption 3 года назад

      @@carlacarrero4975
      Honestly I forgot about that too until you reminded me of it. It further relates him to Peter Parker. Except unlike Peter who keeps getting reverted to that complex for the sake of a plot, *cough* One More Day*cough* Ichigo actually got over his guilt...

    • @DemonicRemption
      @DemonicRemption 3 года назад

      @@zemox2534
      I then the fandom who lose its collective $h!t if that happened... --Guess we should be glad Joe Quesada's not writing Bleach...-- And wow that sounded a tad bitter... >_>

  • @ReelJV
    @ReelJV Год назад +1

    Every main character in Bleach has trauma... it literally forges them into the characters they are, its very deep stuff. Fitting of the themes of Bleach, which are overcoming trauma, living with trauma and enduring trauma.

  • @justsomewitcherwithalongsw4233
    @justsomewitcherwithalongsw4233 4 года назад +6

    Last time I was this early, Ichigo had achieved Bankai.

  • @carlacarrero4975
    @carlacarrero4975 4 года назад +8

    6:14 ichigo does have flaws like his guilt complex , his complex of wanting to protect his family and his rach attitude of speaking whatever is on his mind sure he doesn’t have that many unlike yusuke from yu yu hakusho but they do exist

  • @thomazprimoalves7025
    @thomazprimoalves7025 4 года назад +10

    Hey man, I'm just here to say that i really enjoyed your Naruto reviews. As far as I know, you are the only one on youtube that addressed most of the serious critics I personaly had with the manga without being blinded by nostalgia, specially with its downfall.
    As someone that grew up with Naruto and began following the manga weekly near Pain and Jiraya's fight, I felt the same frustations you had with the kage summit and the ninja war. Most fans dislike the Kaguya plot twist, but that is the low hanging fruit imo. Naruto was doomed when Kishi made Sasuke, his clan and all of that Sharingan nonsense more important than Naruto to the plot, making his own protagonist's story andafter thought own his manga. The ninja jesus profecy was his way of making Naruto central again, but with was not the right way to do it.
    Anyways, good luck on your youtube career. I would personally still make Naruto Critic content, as that seems like a good niche that few people are exploring.

    • @RetrospectGreg
      @RetrospectGreg  4 года назад +3

      He did... and I'm curious to see what issues people had with Bleach.

    • @officeimpact6377
      @officeimpact6377 2 года назад

      Bad take naruto was almost perfect up until war arc

    • @ayhamahmad2277
      @ayhamahmad2277 7 месяцев назад

      Sasuke is river to Naruto so he needs power up to face Naruto and madara was being built ever since the end of part one to be extremely powerful character you have to deliver there is other ways to give them these powers but them begin powerful need to happen like madara especially sasuke the only reason kagua exists to set up for boruto that basically the hole reason why she exists and kaga summon arc is very good

  • @SirYwhach
    @SirYwhach 4 года назад +7

    Bleach's biggest strength is the characters, especially in the first 3 sagas. They have a lot of interactions and the chemistry between Ichigo and Rukia is so good because time has been invested by the author to make their bond feel real for the audience so that when she's captured by the "system" for helping him, we as the audience, encourage the protagonist to go and save her.
    It was a character driven story and even the soul society arc managed to make a good complex arc with a political intrigue and nuanced characters that are far better fleshed out than any Naruto character....
    I will not talk about the flaws of the manga because this isn't a video about that but i liked the fact that the protagonists were real protagonists with moral dilemmas and reasons to fight (Uryu, Byakuya, Renji and Kenpachi), even Ichigo for the most part but ...
    Ichigo is a boring main character.
    I have to say it guys, i'm literally still a Bleach fan whom remembers the good days but i was never hyped by this character because he was driven only by the plot which often consists on helping a female character (a ghost, Rukia, Orihime and Neil) and having his ass kicked most of the time. Plus the author didn't give him a lot of personality, he is average, doesn't have something to be remembered by, he isn't funny or good at anything else except fighting, in terms of aesthetic, he looks really good since he is tall and jacked and not just a small annoying brat (I do not include Luffy) but the fact is : He isn't central to the story at all, most people would rather see more of Kenpachi, Hitsugaya, Byakuya and Komamura. This guy just reacts to bad things happening to him or his entourage, which isn't entertaining, he has no real goals and doens't evolve as a person through the series, the Ichigo you see in the first arc is the same you see in the final arc, he just got cooler zanpakutos and bankai.
    Do not get me wrong, Naruto is far worse as a main character since he's a stupid hypocrite fuck, but damn, we need the main characters to evolve within the story, seeing guys doing always the same thing is no longer entertaining, especially when the plot ...
    I will continue this comment another time. And i still have things to say.
    Good video mate, and good luck for the next.

    • @zemox2534
      @zemox2534 4 года назад +2

      Honestly I think Bleach gets too much hate. Do not get me wrong I am not a huge Bleach fan,but at least Kubo tried to take his story seriously and give it a satisfying conclusion, unlike Kishimoto.
      And I would not call Ichigo average or boring. He wants to protect his friends and family which is a pretty good goal.

    • @carlacarrero4975
      @carlacarrero4975 4 года назад +3

      SirYwhach the thing about ichigo is that he’s supossed to be the chill straight man to make the world and characters more weird and interesting and I woudnt say ichigo is boring
      I mean I get that there are way better characters then him like ueki, yusuke, Edward and jousuke but he is still interesting with the whole guilt complex and desired to feel like he has to protect everyone he cares about and what he wants to do with his life the problem is that since he’s a straight man and the other characters are much weirder and loud he for other people would feel like a Shikamaru or Zoro type of character that is supposed to support the main character and stuff

    • @vcamv2354
      @vcamv2354 3 года назад +3

      So you hate Ichigo cause he's a real teen basically! Ichigo was supposed to be more grounded, to work like a real teenage boy, and if you know teenagers, they don't have goals, they're not very active in life! Ichigo has active decisions and we have a whole fight which questions about it(VS Grimmjow), he's very smart since he has good grades and Ichigo has a lot to remember him by. And Ichigo's journey trough depression and comeback was amazing to see

    • @SirYwhach
      @SirYwhach 3 года назад +1

      @@vcamv2354 I strongly disagree, his character is really bland.
      The thing about a main character is that :
      - He must evolve as a person, for the better or the worse when things happen.
      - He must drive the plot forward and NOT being driven forward by the plot (active VS passive).
      - We, as the audience, should see the world with HIS point of view the most and thus, learn by his POV that how the universe works.
      - Establish a clear contrast between him and the one thing he stands against with visuals.
      - Make him grounded enough to be believable by the audience.
      The thing with Ichigo is that he is boring, very boring. Everything he stands for is terribly shallow and thus, his fights are weightless.
      Ichigo and Aizen have hardly seen each other or talked to each other, Aizen is a good villain while Ichigo is terrible, which creates a void where the most interesing people are the ones whom aren't given the spotlight + Bleach doesn't denounce anything, it doesn't have that philosophical, political talk that everyone else has, which handicaps Ichigo.
      You want good main characters ? I'll give you a few :
      Luffy from One Piece, Kenshiro from Hokuto No Ken, Thorfinn from Vinland Saga, Eren from SNK, Kazuya from Rent-A-Girlfriend, Sora from Dream Team...

    • @vcamv2354
      @vcamv2354 3 года назад +2

      @@SirYwhach First, he evolved. Second, passive protagonists exists and can be good(Ichigo is an example), he has A LOT of contrast with the vilains his fighting in each arc, you just have to pay attention, we see the history trough his POV ALL THE TIME and he's EXTREMELY grounded! Saying he's boring, only shows you being SUBJECTIVE about him, which is okay, you can dislike his character, if he doesn't meet your standards or is not the type of protagonist you like, but that's no reason to call him a bad character. OBJECTIVELY, Ichigo hit all checkmarks you gave, except for being active, WHICH HE IS in alot of moments, but he's more reactive which is not a bad thing on itself

  • @bluestarsaberstarwarsfan3838
    @bluestarsaberstarwarsfan3838 4 года назад +3

    I still remember how I got into Bleach when I was watching Naruto DVDs and kept seeing ads for bleach with the soul society arc, I watched the first episode then went to episode 20 to see this amazing arc. Bleach was the second manga I ever read and also the second to disappoint me with it's ending

  • @bryanc7094
    @bryanc7094 4 года назад +4

    Ah, the series people got into initially because every character looked so cool😂. That stylish intro was also hyper creative. Aizen being Kubo is also FORESHADOWING 🤣

    • @RetrospectGreg
      @RetrospectGreg  4 года назад +3

      I didn’t make it. It’s an old animation

  • @johnynoway9127
    @johnynoway9127 2 года назад +2

    the main issue with Bleach in general is that the arcs keep repeating.
    Introduce MC
    Introduce good guy
    introduve bad guy
    Have the bad guy kick the shit out of him
    Have MC train a bunch
    MC is like I HAVE TO WIN
    MC gets help from the masked man.
    MC says he doesnt need the mask or is afraid of it and yet always uses it in some way.
    MC does some more training.
    Everyone remarks on how much stronger MC is.
    MC fights the main/strongest bad guy and wins by getting help from mask.
    Ichigo never won a single fight on his own against someone who mattered.
    Either the oponent is already wounded or isnt giving it their all to kill him.
    And yes he does have flaws as everyone says but by the end you just want him to shut up about how he has to save X character or the world.
    BTW Orihime arc was so annoying cuz she was literally a damsel in distress who just waited for Ichigo to save her.
    The issue tho is that they could have given Yusuto Sado (the two different fists human) something to do. I really wished he was the one who saved her.
    But na..MC has to be the one to beat the main badie
    Every
    single
    time.

  • @M3rtyville
    @M3rtyville 4 года назад +10

    the rumors about Kubo being force to end it are false.
    Kubo ended the manga on his own accord so a sick child could see it ending before he died.
    Bleach got bad, really bad, but I can't see it worse than Naruto. Naruto went full fanfiction post Pain arc. Bleach did stupid shit like having many deus ex machina power ups but never went full fanfiction like retconning the entire premise of the show by making Naruto a literal God out of nowhere.

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      @alexcontrerasnegativened7777 3 года назад +1

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    • @ayhamahmad2277
      @ayhamahmad2277 7 месяцев назад

      The kaga summon arc is really good and that exists just to keep guy alive the only reason he is alive because he was pupuler character Naruto and bleach suffers the same problem the ending begins rushed because the creator being tired and rushed and health problems as well

  • @gavinlucas9761
    @gavinlucas9761 4 года назад +1

    This is wired because when I read Bleach I actually liked the latter arcs particularly the Anacar arc. not only that but I managed to read all 74 volumes in just a single month.
    though it's by no means perfect, and people's view of something will always be different.

  • @bisexualichigo4227
    @bisexualichigo4227 4 года назад +6

    Soul Society is best Arc💓
    And as divided as it may be, I also like the last arc.

  • @delix787
    @delix787 4 года назад +1

    Can’t wait for part 2

  • @dutzy4650
    @dutzy4650 4 года назад +1

    Can you cover Sakura hidden novel for me please

  • @benhramiak8781
    @benhramiak8781 4 года назад

    All i know about this series is what super eyepatch wolf covered.
    Not sure i get the opening but thjnk this should be good

    • @craigime
      @craigime 3 года назад

      and wolf made an apology video 4 years later

    • @benhramiak8781
      @benhramiak8781 3 года назад

      @@craigime i know, i saw it

    • @craigime
      @craigime 3 года назад

      @@benhramiak8781 wish this guy saw it

  • @sonicthehedgehog7144
    @sonicthehedgehog7144 4 года назад

    i rememebr gotten into it when i first read the frist manga

  • @eastonmoon
    @eastonmoon 4 года назад

    You talking about the big three leaves me curious about what you have to say about OP

    • @RetrospectGreg
      @RetrospectGreg  4 года назад +2

      Easton Moon well One Piece isn’t finished and with how long it is, that retrospect would be one hell of a commitment

  • @shayscruggs7829
    @shayscruggs7829 4 года назад +2

    Well I called it and it's exactly what I expected Another downfall of bleach video but crapping on bleach is even easier to get views as a naruto video since most people don't understand either series. It's going be fun for me guessing how easy it's either pick apart theses old arguments about bleach story with my fellow big three anyasis buddies or guessing how predictable it is

    • @bryanc7094
      @bryanc7094 4 года назад +1

      Do you only watch shonen? Just saying it’s a little embarrassing being apart of the big three and expecting people to respect that conclusion when you’re anime gets canceled right before it’s endgame.

    • @shayscruggs7829
      @shayscruggs7829 4 года назад

      @@bryanc7094 I watched multiple different types of anime with shounen in particular being my favorite. As for the bleach anime getting canceled before the final arc in the manga it sucked that happen but it happens in the industry sometimes adaptions get cancelled before the story concludes in the manga but I'm glad where getting a anime adaption to finally finish the story I love.

    • @carlacarrero4975
      @carlacarrero4975 4 года назад

      bryan c it wasn’t cancelled it was rushed also the anime is coming back

    • @dinogt8477
      @dinogt8477 4 года назад +1

      naruto shippuden sucks bleach is alright

    • @craigime
      @craigime 3 года назад

      @@bryanc7094 you know the anime's coming back right?

  • @tetrik7
    @tetrik7 3 года назад +1

    Can help to notice that your not as mad as when you review Naruto, did you find it more boring? Did you like more?
    Like your videos.

    • @RetrospectGreg
      @RetrospectGreg  3 года назад +2

      Much less attached, Naruto was my first

  • @craigime
    @craigime 3 года назад +2

    since you showed DBZimran's video at 2:05, i recommend you actually watch it... it addresses some of your misconceptions

  • @baloocallout678
    @baloocallout678 3 года назад +1

    Ahh, Charlie Brown is still relevant afterall. It's 60s all over again.

  • @jebbryant6522
    @jebbryant6522 3 года назад

    I feel like I could take literally any arc in bleach and write a 9/10 story around it

  • @KodachiC
    @KodachiC 3 года назад +1

    I thought Bleach was fun, but not great. My major pet peeve was that the villains and abilities were very repetitive. It was hard for me to distinguish Hollows, and with the Shinigami (and by extension, Arrancar) had a strict pattern to their abilities that became rather predictable.
    “I hope Ichigo’s mother isn’t a red herring; I don’t think I could go through that again” I guess we can make PTKD: Post Traumatic Kushina Syndrome

  • @MegaLars10
    @MegaLars10 3 года назад +1

    The art was so good in the beginning

    • @alexcontrerasnegativened7777
      @alexcontrerasnegativened7777 3 года назад +4

      The art is still good everything that Greg said in these videos of bleach are lies misinformation!

  • @benhramiak8781
    @benhramiak8781 4 года назад

    I recently started watching fate zero. Nice to start watching a thing without having spoiled it for myself with video essays. Also nice to talk about it with others

  • @FitzVestrit
    @FitzVestrit 3 года назад

    You should do one piece

  • @jeckjeck3119
    @jeckjeck3119 4 года назад +3

    Fairy tail is still worse.

    • @bryanc7094
      @bryanc7094 4 года назад +5

      Not saying much

    • @gavinlucas9761
      @gavinlucas9761 4 года назад +4

      I've read both shows and there not really that bad.
      if anything I see them as okay series.

    • @carlacarrero4975
      @carlacarrero4975 4 года назад +4

      jeck jeck as a fan of fairy tail yeah I have to agree and it’s kinda ironic that a show about ghost fighting ghost barely has any reviving the death bullshit

    • @zeroxenoverse9251
      @zeroxenoverse9251 5 месяцев назад

      Clown behavior detected. Just like you and this video

    • @zeroxenoverse9251
      @zeroxenoverse9251 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@carlacarrero4975Not really. Don't listen to that idiot.