@Kausachun Velasco tf are you talking about...? Black people are never slammed for what they say. White people are always the "oppressors" with "privilege..."
What's interesting is that when Dr Dre heard Eminem, he absolutely loved it. He only heard a demo and never saw a pic of him and assumed Em was black but that wasn't the case. Just Shows
ReD ReaVeR don’t tell me you’d say Yellowman isn’t Jamaican? Just happens to have Albinism... Logic’ brothers and sisters are black, Logic just happened to be white but be raised by black people and surrounded by black people. He acknowledges this unlike white rappers.
ReD ReaVeR all this shit aside, strong arm steady are dope. what i’m saying is Logic was raised by black people and acknowledges the problems he faced by being associated between white and black, i think defining him as a “white rapper” is misjudged.
Em was booed when he was starting over and over. He worked it all up, he swallowed all them embarrassment and anxiety. He was criticized because he was different. He didn’t fit into these
@@aliway4136 again I find it funny that not only did you ignore/misinterpret what alfo said, you ignored what I said. How has anything that I’ve said made me out to be a pick me
Ya I tuned out tbh. Don't got time for all these mental gymnastics justifying how race matters and it's good to see race and to treat diff races differently...
Yea but he not from the hood he from a predominantly white neighborhood..so in hip hop that's always gonna raise a bit of controversy...just like if I'm from NYC but do country music. People wanna know what's your connection to hip hop if your a artist..it's one of the few genre of music where your background can make or break..hip hop is more culture then anything..not so much about race
Eminem deserves everything he got imo. He went through it to get started and it took him 3 albums to really get going (slim shady lp) And as a black guy Eminem is my fav rapper of all time abd has some of my favourite albums if all time. But I ofc agree with the white America point, but I wouldn't credit all his success to him being white/having a white fan base. He has a very culturally diverse fan base and people like Kanye also now at least have a very very large white fan base aswell. And imo Eminem wasn't making "white hip hop" he was making hip hop for hip hop lovers, studying the great and inspiring future greats
Eminem nowadays has a culturally diverse fan base, but he has built that fan base off of the fact that he is white and white people are more marketable.
@@Shine-wb6ll why are you gatekeeping a show thats loved by people all across the world. yes you can be black and like anime in fact alot of black ppl like anime. stop being ignorant and asking stupid questions AND IF U DIDNT NOTICE MY NARUTO IS BLACK THERE
It's interesting that white fans of white rappers get so defensive. I don't fuck with people who shame others for liking white rappers... But, at the same time, just admit it. A huge reason why white people like Eminem is because he is a white guy in a predominantly black industry. Same for basketball; people liking Larry Bird. It's cool.
Shit there's no shame in it. The big problem is people making out it's a sin to like your own race. I highly doubt black people were sitting around thinking "whites invented NBA it's not fair Jordan dominates it".
1) You shouldn’t like a rapper simply bc he’s white 2) You shouldn’t dislike a rapper simply bc he’s white Both are simple minded thinking and, yea, focused on race a bit too much. So goes for Black Country singers, black rockers, etc.
@@PengyDraws still dubstep is considered to be so mainstream to the point to where it cant be associated with an ethnicity. If something is associated with an ethnicity (being apart of the culture) then yeah, if you're mocking the culture then you shouldn't partake in it. Some people do mock a culture. They do this by taking what made something great in a culture and distorting it to the point of unrecognition. This is bad because instead of giving homage to what you've contributed your success to, what usually comes out is a bastardized, low quality, corny/cringy, soulless product. This is what people mean when they say culture appropriation, while I believe that it has been used out of the right context a lot, making it lose it's meaning, I still believe that a lot of people do it. (In this situation, it's a rapper like token.
thats how new styles are created. look at uzi. he didnt give a fuck bout ogs he did his own thing everyone hated on him even tho he black and now he a legend
For eminem i feel like he wasn't really accepted by the existing community but was able to get widespread success commercially due to the fact that he was more marketable to white people who is the vast majority of the US. The thing is with Eminem though is that he is actually talented which lead to the existing community start to slowly accept him over time. It is hard for white rappers especially in the early 2000s to get credit for how good they are from the existing hiphop community but was a lot easier to get credit from casually listeners and is why em has always done really well commercially
No disrespect, but I don't think I agree with the not accepted by the hip hop community as Em earned his stripes and respect in battle rap and had the backing of Dr. Dre early in his career, which could only come from people respecting him. But In regards to Eminem having talent, easily one of the greatest of the greatest to ever do it.
I totally didn’t give Mac any attention when he was coming up cause he really did play that role of a white rapper, until my friend put him on not too long before he died and I was thinking, “fuck did I really miss out on a legend?” Like he was just growing and now we’ll never get to see where he could’ve gone with that
I felt the exact same way, was even working at festival where he performed during my break but didn't bother to see him. I am now listening and loving all of his stuff regret that moment so much
I guess this is a lesson, don’t judge a book by its cover next time because once the book has been burned you’ll come running back wishing you could read it
Mac was not JUST growing. Mac grew into what “Swimming” and “Circles” IS. Definitely so much more to explore but we can’t make it seem as if Mac didn’t get the chance to grow. As a fan for 10+ years, i encourage you to listen to his early mixtapes, his work as “Larry Fisherman” and “Larry Lovestien”, all the way up to “Circles”. You will see the growth and it was beautiful. RIP MAC MILLER❤️
Some of this stuff makes sense but as for Eminem. You can't claim he used "being white" as a booster for fame. Eminem respected the rap game and worked his way from the bottom. The reason Dre signed him rather than some other record label is, quote by Dre "everyone was racist against Eminem for being white and trying to join the rap community". They basically thought since he was white he didn't belong in the game. But Dre signed him and the rest is history.
In my opinion, if you can talk about Action Bronson and his niche, you can put Aesop Rock and Slug in that category. Aesop and Slug have been around longer, Slug built his record label, and Aesop is one of the most intricate wordsmiths. They both came out of the same underground movement as El-P. El-P didn't get a lot of recognition in the mainstream until he and Killer Mike formed Run the Jewels, which isn't even mentioned.
@@dmndxdave I must have missed that part of the video. My bad. I rewatched the video and acknowledge the mistake. Would you be willing to explain what point I missed?
@NizzyNizerson The only problem with that is To Pimp a Butterfly is the greatest rap album of the 21st century. But unfortunately for the Grammys that doesn't matter
NizzyNizerson listen I don’t hate Taylor Swift but I think tpab should’ve won because it’s as good of a rap album as 1989 was a pop album. But what tpab stands for and it’s lyrical content is just on such a higher level than any album of Taylor Swift. I’m saying this again I don’t hate Taylor Swift I’ve listened to some of her songs of her past album and enjoyed them but lyrical content isn’t subjective.
@@Ronnie.Raymond This guy specifically is saying he judges music by sound, so what reason do you have to think he's lying? Stop throwing people into a generalized category. Music is subjective and not everything has some racist/bias-to-race foundation behind it or whatever is being implied hwre.
It’s weird, most of the time I listen to white rappers it sounds soo corny and almost off putting like it doesn’t feel authentic, but artists like suicide boys, Mac Miller, BROCKHAMPTON and some other white rappers I don’t mind because they aren’t trying to fit in. They’re doing something different instead of just rapping really fast. You have something else to focus on instead of they’re race. When I listen to them it’s never really my first thought what race they are but that they’re music is good. But listening to guys like Nf and Chris webby it’s so much more noticeable
I wouldn’t say that NF is a stereotypical white rapper. He is a great lyricist and he doesn’t try hard to fit in. He’s kind of in his own lane and his fine with that. I’m not saying you should like him but, he is definitely genuine with his music.
Cade England yeah. I agree w this. I’m not a massive nf fan as he’s just not my type, but it’s not down to his race that I dont like, I just don’t really like his style
Saying Eminem isn't respected in hip hop community is such a joke while you can see people on forums and youtube comments disrespecting him most top rappers really respect guy.From best rappers of this age like Kendrick and Cole who openly said that he was one of their idols to goats like Rakim who said that Eminem was great lyricist.That part really rubbed me wrong way and I'm not even big Eminem fan but guy went through the hell his whole life to get here and now people on internet are disrespecting him like he didn't do anything for culture.
Hexing ON Yeah he talked about how Mac Miller had to fight his way to the top and totally dismissed the struggles that Eminem went through to get where he is now.
@Prepare your ass because pablo im talking more about post mmlp2 Eminem but yeah i agree with that statement however hes worth millions of dollars and probably fucks on the daily so i dont understand why hes still phased by internet haters
@@pumpkinsmasher8346ems life was trash since birth, raised and treated like shit for the longest time, you think you can just sell millions of albums and get over what you built your success on.
To me Hip-Hop is all about being dope and relatable, It don’t matter being black or white I wish this topic would just die. I don’t buy hip-hop records because a rapper is black or white
Abdul Sesay Are you referring to the obvious truth that is the predominant white population in America? I’m sorry but the video in question seems to disregard this truth as a means to push an agenda
yeah, all of those albums should have won a Grammy if it was based on successes, hits, popularity, and impact. For me, GKMC would win 9/10 times in a rematch.
If the music is dope, does race really matter? These are interesting conversations but like it said in the video, I don't think it will matter anymore. Specially when it's no longer just white or black people doing it. Hip Hop is universal nowadays. Every country has their big, mainstream rappers. Even doing shit in their own language and adding their own style and twist to it.
Blame the white people that ran America. They made everything about race 😭 let me remind you, less than a hundred years ago , race was a big factor and it still shows today of course
Well let's be honest here, logic is super pale. I have a feeling his dad was biracial, and his mom full white. Making logic like 1/4 African American at best. Im Irish and equally as tan as him lol
@@Burnt_clutch89 When it comes to appearance it's a very confusing topic. I know italians that are darker than Jcole and they're considered to be white because they're whole family is just Italian.
Not that I completely agree with it but Eminem is considered one of the greatest rappers ever, so saying that he only has fame because he is white is absolutely bullshit I think.
except no, one of the main reasons hes so popular is because people were like "wow, a WHITE GUY rapping? that's so edgy and quirky!!". he's really not that great and if he wasn't white, chances are he would be a lot less popular
@@sirdavid8650 that is completely wrong Even tho he was raised by Dr.Dre If he wasn't skillful his albums wouldn't get a songle sale consodered he was a white rapper in an era where all rappers where black
I think being able to relate to rappers is a huge factor, too. I listen to some german rappers and most if not all are a minority in germany I can relate to as someone who is an immigrant themselves. I can't listen to Cardi B when all she rap about is being rich. Macklemore is just not the culture I am in and Eminem is closer to what I went through as the only polish kid in school. I love Kendrick because he talks about shit I care about, and on and on. I love Nicki because she doesn't flaunt her wealth too much but disses rappers, I feel connected as a woman in rap to her. It's quite hard to explain, but I guess you could boil it down to: People with privilege will listen to people who rap about privilege.
I've never once decided I liked a song or an artist because of their race. Good music is good music and music that sucks, sucks. Anyone who only listens to music based on the artists race is limiting themselves.
@Thomas Buchovecky I disagree. Connecting with an audience requires a lot of nuance. Additionally, a huge part of being good is in the lyrics. That’s the difference between a one hit wonder and rapper that makes it big time. Now just because white rappers and black rappers might have different messages or experiences does not mean that the their is a problem with white rappers. The video tries to make the case that white rappers do not represent the culture that was established through rap, as if that is all there is to rap. However, that is simply not true. Rap is about cadence, rhythms, and sharing experiences through lyrical twist and turns. Meaning rap is about connecting a beat to some lyrics and telling a story and sharing lyrics. It’s about expressing oneself for varying reasons or crying out for a group of people. Now all of this is not exclusive to black rappers. The video specifically cites Eminem as being a problem white rapper but according to your position do you still think that’s true? Do you think that Eminem lacks depth and nuance?
@@BubbaBasher02 eminems new stuff is trash and his old stuff is ok but he never evolved in any meaningful way so it gets really bland really quick while I can always switch between Kanye albums for example. Eminem may not be a one hit wonder but he certainly is a one trick pony
It’s funny that my friend who just happens to be black, told his group of friends (also black), that his favorite rapper was Eminem. All of his buddies started laughing and calling him “white wannabe.” It kinda pisses me off that his friends didn’t like that he liked Eminem.
Eminem is also my favorite rapper, I'm not gonna lie when I was a kid I was kinda self-conscious about it, I felt like a "traitor", it also didn't help that I was one of those black kids who got teased for "being too white"
I loved the NYC music scene of the 80s. The East Village/Tompkins Square Park was a real meeting place of the tribes: Punk, Ska, Hip Hop, Reggae etc. The Talking Heads, Tom Tom Club, Bad Brains, The Toasters, Fab 5 Freddy. Hip Hop was deservedly gaining new audiences, and I never heard this debate. IMO this has a lot more to do with what happened once the money started rolling in.
@@saintnicole3209 Not to be "that guy" but I don't think Pete Nice is Jewish. He went to a catholic high school. And Richie Rich was black...Just sayin!
@@tipsythefedora you're right. i knew one of them was black. i should have mentioned that they were one of the first big interracial hip hop groups.i'm pretty sure mc search is jewish, i probably should have looked up pete mice's background before i made assumptions. thank you for informing me!
Instead of "white guys who rap", you should have called them "rappers who happen to be white". As you described El-P he puts being a rapper first and being white second.
Marcus Summers Being white doesn’t take anything from other people, it was started by white people and who even gives a shit if you’re white if you’re a good rapper you’re not taking anything away you’re adding to the culture.
You take a sip from your Trusty Vault 13 canteen - STFU. “Race” matters because “whites” made it so. Rap/hip hop is a BLACK creation. It’s ours. It was made via our struggle with racism here. Leeches always try to be culture vultures with what we create. Create your own.
This is a very Gen Z "I wasn't alive to understand the context and times, but I want to speak on this" perspective. Claiming that Eminem is only as wildly accepted and popular because he is white is bullshit. Eminem was accepted in spite of being white because of the work he put in, the connections he made and most importantly, the talent that brought him up, was brought up with him and that later, he supported. He is prolific because he postioned himself throughout 3 distinct generations of music.
@@jayn5543 He outright claims it's like a steady acceleration rocket versus a slow to fuel, quick takeoff rocket. Implying that being white just means once you handle the adversity, success is guranteed, which is just 100% false, by that logic, why aren't logic and lil dicky as popular and successful as Eminem. I have no problem with conversation, but comparing Jay-Z and Eminem is stupid. Eminem put a lot of work and time and positioned himself in ways throughout the years to achieve the success he gets now. I understand why children don't get that, because y'all weren't alive, but that it absolutely not the historical context. His albums were some of the inciting incidents for parental advisory labels on CDs and he appear in court and in front of congressal hearings several times to justify his art form.
@@DoubleDOwnage And he's right, reminder that Eminem won grammys in the early 2000s and the Marshall EP was one of the fastest selling albums in that period, even I admit that early Eminem was a good artist but NO WAY was he even near the level of the best rappers in the game at the time, MF DOOM alone was dropping shit like Madvillainy and Vaudeville Villain at the time which went on to inspire an entire generation of rappers. So I still think he does have a point, Eminem being white definitely contributed to his huge commercial success.
@@skepticcat2443 Not really. Every time someone tries to boil something down to one simplistic explanation like "definitely due to him being white", it's usually a gross misrepresentation of reality. There's a very long list of reasons why Eminem exploded like he did, and being white was a very small part of it. Eminem has also inspired an entire generation of rappers, other artists and many, many people from all walks of life across the entire planet. It goes deeper than just "he's white." Most of the world isn't White. P.S. DOOM also really only exploded in the underground after Em's prime.
@@simonbright2975 No one is saying Eminem is only popular due to him being white, but him being white is a huge and undeniable factor in his colossal commercial success, it gave him access to an entire untapped demographic that would otherwise not listen to hip hop music, especially during the early 2000s due to gangsta rap being the dominant form in the mainstream, I agree that artists like DOOM or Freddie Gibbs aren't the best pick to compare since their works were never radio friendly to begin with, but even if we look at artists like Kanye or Kendrick, both people who made some of the best records in mainstream hip hop, we can still see them overshadowed by Eminem's extremely average later works in the 2010s, hell Macklemore won the grammy over those two, if that isn't indicative of white privilege I don't know what is. It's not so much about Eminem himself, it's more about the audience that listens to him and why they do so, I guarantee you a majority of people who listen to Eminem are completely ignorant about the history of hip hop or the classics of the genre, Eminem is all but musically a pop artist, he is treated like one by the mainstream, and even he admits so in his own words, the quote is right there in the video.
I’m a white guy but I heavily dislike most white rappers mainly because they try and follow the same stereotype that Eminem started, the reason why Mac Miller is so respected, loved and never gets the “he’s the best white rapper” treatment is because he separates himself from the stereotypes, you don’t have to be like “i like black people” or “I don’t like white people we take stuff” to be accepted, if anything people will push you away just like Macklemore, on another note though, not every white rapper has to “acknowledge privilege” because not every rapper is American and that’s just facts, and as for white people supporting white rappers that’s fax but that’s normal, and tbh most fans at any rappers shows are white whether the artist is white or black and they get criticised for that, but white people are allowed to be big fans of white rappers and saying it’s “weird” is a weird thing lol, sure they’re more drawn to it but don’t try and overanalyse something that’s just not even there
Lee McDonald facts, instead of caring about people’s personality or their actions they care about things people can’t control and ALL races do that shit, wether people want to admit it or not, that shit doesn’t matter and white rappers shouldn’t feed into it by making it a thing
Majority of the audience is white because whites are the majority race in the country. This was not true however back in the beginning stages of rap with biggie, pac, and even before that with ll cool j and etc. I think the overall point is that the genres general roots oughta be respected. As for white people supporting white rappers because they'er white, I don't think it should be like this at all actually.
Eminiem's fans are the thing that makes him unbearable. I mean he literally trys to get them into the rap artist that inspired him and they completely disregard it and only listen to or talki about Eminiem as the GOAT and the epitome of rap.
@@Treize132 What about it? you like what you like. His fans hans nothing to do with him, judge him for him not for who likes him, you to fucking stupid to do that, then thats on you.
Pack it up, pack it in, let me begin I came to win, battle me that's a sin I won't ever slack up, punk you better back up Try and play the role and yo the whole crew'll act up Get up, stand up (c'mon!) see'mon throw your hands up If you've got the feeling, jump across the ceiling Muggs lifts a funk flow, someone's talking junk Yo I bust him in the eye, and then I'll take the punk's hoe Feelin', funkin', amps in the trunk and I got more rhymes Than there's cops at a Dunkin' Donuts shop Sho' nuff, I got props From the kids on the hill plus my mom and my pops I came to get down, I came to get down So get out your seat and... Just sayin'
the sad thing is he was one of the first ones of this trend where the rapper's songs are bigger than the actual rapper. He's humble, and cares for his craft and can make some really good music!
The big seperation in rap is not black vs white, it's genuine vs wack. There's a lot of wack black rappers out there too, and to me they're no better than frat boy rappers. If you're spoiled and narcissistic, have no soul or connection, then it just isn't worth listening to. These horrible frat boy rappers you mentioned, they're not horrible because they're white. They're horrible because they're spoiled little brats. Doesn't matter if it's Mike Stud or Rick Ross, it's still wack and makes you feel you lost brain cells. Yet no-one would make big points about narcissistic black rappers being black, the way you made a big point of these frat rappers being white. You would never have the guts to make a video like that. So, it doesn't seem genuine if you don't have the balls to do criticism honestly. Trying to be woke just for the sake of it, is something you do because you want people to think something about you. Not because you want to be genuine or express something that is real. The points about privilege though, is spot on. You could have made this video more about that, there's more to be said here. That would be an interesting video, I'm not anti-woke. I'm just anti people who're trying to be woke to seem cool.
yeah it sounded like he had a skeleton for this video about genuine rappers but ended up making it about ethnicity because of the amount of examples he had that were white and none that were black
Yes there are wack black rappers and people trash on their music all the time. There even be white and other races of people in these comments that'll troll and talk about their music because they're black. I think many white rappers get privileged by people saying their songs and lyrics are great just because when in fact there are terrible white rappers too. I won't gas anyone up because of the color of their skin. A person who can't rap is a person who cannot rap...
“I’m just anti people who’re trying to be woke to seem cool” I think you just summed up society nowadays. Where people will say this and that not because they want to speak up but because they want validation from a huge community that has had more power in America as a whole. He’s literally a pick me and I noticed it as soon as he said that he was a white guy as if his race is important in the video. I’m honestly really against the whole double standard thing that’s been going on lately especially in my community, and I really worry about the next generation as a Gen Z…
They had an advantage because of the colour of their skin (being white) but at the same time, they are being bashed because of the colour of their skin!
@@300subscriberswithoutanyvideos Don't you find it funny how he avoided to use that verse, because he's pushing a narrative that only white people listen to him. Guess who's the most streamed international artist in Africa? Lmao
Slip Knot Actually it’s not Eminem! He’s not even in the top 20! It’s Sarkodie , FALZ, M. Anifest , Nasty C. , AKA, Kahiligraph Jones ect. I’m originally from São Paulo Brazil and called an African friend who now lives in Brazil....he told me that Eminem is bullshit in Africa...it’s only listened to by White people that live in Africa and not actual AFRICANS (black people) 😂👍🏾
@SCP-939 Lyrical Miracle bullshit is inane multi rhymes going nowhere. Aesop's tracks often do have themes, they're just really dense. The Impossible Kid is his most streamlined release, like, I don't know how you could listen to something like Rings and think it's lyrical miracle shit.
@@enriquestewart5762 difetrent context and time, black people in the 50 and 60 weren´t just rock, it was jazz, blues, r&b, soul etc and all kind o fussions, nobody care about the color of Hendrix or Prince, game changers got their place in history. Hip Hop born half of century ago in the bronx, nothing is in danger, the danger to hip hop was already done years ago, it turn from party, social message and social jutice into a monopoly by the gansta cult to keep feeding the jails, the culture were robbed years ago, no matter the color, that is not hip hop, i don´t see breakers, dj´s, wall writers, is pop rap is on top years ago overshadowing true hip hop.
@@zeitok8 all of those genres you mentioned has been dominated by white artists once blacks started making each genre popular. It has everything to do with race. The direction of hip hop was steered by white dollars to devalue the Black product, while promoting a white product. There is an agenda to take over the genre because it’s the most profitable right now.
@@zeitok8 Hendrix and Prince was assassinated by the way. I wonder who was behind that. Prince always battled for artists rights and was conscious about how these white music labels control their artists. Jimmy got wine poured down his throat by white men until he died. Race is the factor. All the black musical legends are dead except for Stevie and I’m pretty sure they’re screwing his blind ass. He criminally under paid
if you want to be a rapper and your white , follow mac miller as an example he wasn’t problematic, he respected the art and appreciated the history of the genre
Music is music. The Grammys are a joke we all know that so who cares. We live in an age where the internet will tell you what’s trash. Don’t divide people let us all enjoy music for what it is
The Grammys might be a joke to you but they mean a lot to most musicians. So implying a single white rapper winning most of the Grammys for rap doesn't mean anything is like saying sitting in the front of the bus doesn't mean anything. After all, whether you sit in the front or the back, so long as you reach your destination, what does it matter?
Why can’t you enjoy your music ? Does knowing that part of the reason rappers like Jack Harlow get as big as they do as quickly is because they are white and white dudes can see themselves in them.
It really does suck that weather you're black or white, you will most likely come across some form of race-based struggle based on the color of your skin. If you're black, you won't grow as quickly in your prime as a white rapper, but if you're white, it's harder to get an initial takeoff due to people generally looking down on unpopular white rappers. The Hip-hop scene would be so much better without a racial devide imo.
@Fuck you Youtoo Aesop Rock, RA, El-P can all rap. They rap cause they can and have a lot of stuff they feel is important to talk about. Also they are some of the most talented people their profession has ever seen.
She completely discarded her accent, she will always sound inauthentic to me. She’s the most famous australian rapper and she doesn’t sound australian. it was a missed opportunity imo.
@@Smoke--- Somehow I hate him more than that. Like, if my hate for him were people, it'd be everyone, ever. Seriously though, I'm just playin'. Hating another human being for making music you don't like is ridiculous
@nothingperhaps Why? Music isn't locked to specific races. If I was to say "black folks shouldn't be allowed to play death metal, or heavy metal (as examples) because it white folk who came up with those genres"..........everyone would be angry and cry racism........it works both ways. Race shouldn't limit creativity, so there is no need for any kind of conversation about it.
Man it never crossed my mind if the music that I listen to is made by a black, asian, or white person. If it sounds good, I'll dig it, and if it relates to my emotions and my experiences I'll listen even more to it and buy a psychical copy to have it on my shelf. That's my personal view. Privilege can be taken into account when you expand out and reach to bigger audience but when it comes to the actual music, it's just good or bad, no race and all that.
Facts. Why would I give a fuck what colour the artist was. The fact this video claims em got his career boosted by the colour of his skin shows how wilfully ignorant he is. Why else would Dre sign him with aftermath entertainment?
rap was created by black people for black ppl. obviously anyone can rap and there are some amazing non black rappers but theres many valid reasons to prefer black rappers
I'm a black rapper. I love eminem and was listening to him before I ever knew what he looked like. When it comes to white rapper album sales I can't hold the numbers against them. We are in America. America is majority white. It's the demographics. It doesn't really bother me. Now what bothers me are white rappers that copy eminem because they think he's the end all be all. Hip hop was always about being unique and having your own style. Guys like logic and NF use a similar style and it's a little insulting. The battle rapper disaster is in the same boat copying ems style and thinking somehow that'll make him better than everyone else. The first thing I judge from a white rapper is they style. If they're unique I love them if not a side eye them l. Ps I love Yelawolf
I guess NF is either underground or still stuck in the "Christian rap" category That aside, definitely a good video that I'm glad I watched all the way through. It really sucks that ulterior motives undercut so many things in our culture
Yeah, Eminem should have been included with EL-P and Mac. He fought his way into hip hop and earned his spot too. Dude has tremendous respect for the culture.
"hip-hop doesn't like Eminem anymore" was one of the most ignorant statements in the video. Critical reception =/= respect from the culture. He's clearly never heard Rakim, Kendrick, Royce, Jay-Z, etc. talk about Em.
Yeah, he might have sold twice as much because of being white (not the least because white people are 4-5 times more than black people in the USA), but if it wasn't for his talent he would have sold ZERO. Actually he never would have been noticed by Dre.
@@toro5280 Anytime someone says "bEt YoU tHiNk BlAcK pEoPlE cAnT Be rAcIsT?!?" unprompted I just assume they have a bone to pick outside of the conversation. I agree with what you said. IMO Macklemore's grammy win was the biggest red flag to everyone (including Mack) that mainstream institutions work a good bit harder for white artists over black artists.
Yea im hispanic and im sitting here like well i like dizzee rascal and stuff and i only heard of 2 eminem songs before this new album and i think the album is pretty fire
They can but em has the highest sells he has more sell than literally every other rapper mainly one better than him he’s overated because white people blindly support him
That happens it happens still to this day and threw out history a just not normally toward white ppl but not every fucking thing needs god damn white ppl in it the forced self involvement is sickening
That's not necessarily true tho because Rap began in America. Just because it's worldwide now doesn't change its roots and core audience. 😆 I think the fact that this is even a thought is in a way a demonstration of the issue here.
@@maggiepaul5911 I think the problem is that America can't get it's shit together and thinks it can drag down the rest of the world into it's cultural problems.
fucking dumbass Mike your user name checks out but what you’re talking about is called flaiting and it’s not the same as rap. Not all rap is making fun of people and flaiting doesn’t have any specific beat, it’s making fun of someone with rhymes. If anything you could say diss tracks but still no beat or Rhythm to keep to. So rap, indeed was invented in the US
I agree, but I don't think you can put Em into the same category. He's actually about the culture and came from the culture when it first was growing. He respects the culture. Same with Chris Webby. Can't say the same for the others.
Being in a super-diverse high school when Em blew up he really crossed all the boundaries. White kids loved him, black kids loved him. There's a reason huge black rappers at the time wanted to work with him, something that had never really happened with a white rapper before: because he grew up in the culture and put in the work. But post-hiatus Eminem is another beast entirely. He might be better than ever on a technical level but his actual songs are mostly awful, and the endless fawning of his (almost-exclusively white these days) fanbase over every half-baked idea he shits out is extremely sus. The venn diagram of current Eminem superfans and Tom MacDonald fans would practically be a circle.
@@ducklingwarrior racism won't go away if we pretend it doesn't exist. You can keep pretending you're colorblind as much as you want, racism will still surround you.
@@bryansodred Of corse but if i want to go more in depth i have to focus on germany, europe is just too big: Black people in america invented rap, but in germany noone invented anything. We're just copieng american rap so it does'nt really matter if youre black or not its just about the music. The streets in germany are strongly influenced by Turkish culture, so if you got a turkish background, thats probably a plus, but i dont really care... hope that was interesting, if enyone else from europe reads this, i would love to hear your opinion on that. Does it matter if youre black/white rapper or not?
@pvp bendy he literally just said his shit got cornier, that's a pretty good reason. And if you're gonna ask what corny is as a counter argument, don't bother, it's a concept word that people either understand or don't.
@H Flores but the next line is literally "but i can rap". Which he can. He is one of the most skilled lyrically and i think is undeniably the best lyrically out of the big names
@H Flores There will never be another rapper like him period. Em's his own thing when it comes to his niche, and no white rapper will reach his success because the stigma of all these race-baiting rappers who rap just to ride off the white rapper gimmick will stick with them, and none of them will accept the fact that they got a boost from white fans who want to see a white guy rapping on stage. They won't accept that those people exist. And if they do, and they accept that they do have an inherent advantage on startup, some still won't handle it well. The reason Em is still respected is because he acknowledged it but didn't feed it. unlike Tom McDonald and all the other shitheads who DO feed into it today. It's about the art, and the sooner someone stays true to that as a white guy, the sooner people will be cool with them. Otherwise they only get white fans who are too afraid to listen to people like Vince Staples or some of the older shit because It makes them uncomfortable based on their skin.
He makes shit music, but culturally I personally think he's worthy of respect. He seems to parody Hip-Hop culture a bit, but he has collaborations with very prominent artists in his city like Fivio. Yeat is the only artist to emerge recently that simultaneously doesn't make terrible music and clearly respects the culture. I think Yeat is respected because he has a distinct sound, but also has clear influences. He's also innovating on trap music a LOT and that's why he's so popular and no one has said anything about him being white at all.
Eminem's popularity isn't just because hes white(yes it played a part in his success after his acceptance in rap), but he stayed true to hip hop and has respect by every top rapper. The problem with eminem has nothing to do with with with how he treats hip hop as a white person. He is at the same time the most overhated and overated rapper by hip hop fans because he has a couple of corny lines, and some bad songs but at the same time he is still technically good at rapping and can make lyrical songs. Eminem doesn't really do the lyrical miracle thing(that was just a free style) but he is made fun of for "yelling into the microphone" and he is an old head. The dislike of eminem comes from the fact that people dont like his newer music specifically.
I'd say partially it is due to him being white, but as you said, it is also because he is a **good rapper overall**. There's no way a rapper is going to be successful just because he is white. He has (at least in his prime) good flow, good bars, deep topics, and a new and interesting take on hip hop. And the OG's respected him for that. Every single respected MC respects Eminem, since he revolutionized the rap game.
Look at it now , so my skin color is the source of my benefit now? Means It was an obstacle to get past when he was trying to get discovered but became a reason for large main stream success once he hit radio. Idc what any ones skin color is or what you think mine is if you gonna respond . If I don’t look like you I don’t know your life if you don’t look like me you don’t know my shit either
@@jaykluesy bro Eminem had in a predominantly black genre of music. People of color have to overcome everything in a predominantly Western white world..... I'm sure he struggled and grind to make it where. I struggle and grind to get half as far as my white counterparts. Just to meet the basic needs of my living
"Do you think Eminem's new album was ranked #1 on Metacritic because it deserved it or because of white America?" Neither, it's because Metacritic is trash.
@@WyWid if you compare every album he releases to his first 3 then you will never be satisfied moron, he literally only has 2 bad albums and his last one was an 8/10 minimum
@@blakehentrup9343 I know how to read, that’s the second time you told someone that it was an 8/10 with reason. And I’m not comparing both eras of albums, I just genuinely didn’t like the new album as a whole. It just sounds like he’s trying way too hard, and it makes him sound cranky and angry
@@Anonymousdeletedaccount... y'all have reading comprehension problems and OP doesn't realize how he wrote what he did.. he did, by association, write about white rappers and corn. How are you not seeing this??
Why are we making the assumption any black rappers care about the culture or where rap started? half of the big rappers now talk shit about tupac and biggie or have never heard of them, massive names say this stuff damn near weekly lmao. Young people don't care about the past, it's nice when they do, guys like Eminem are historians for it, but it shouldn't matter how much they care about history if their songs are good
I disagree with Hip Hop not liking eninem anymore cause plenty of artists Kendrick Lamar, Lil Wayne, Royce, Joyner, Mos Def, Big Sean, etc have expressed their admiration for Em and his legacy. Now are you referring to the mumble rap community? Cause they hate him cause he hates them. I will admit Em has put out some mediocre projects but to say Hip Hop doesn’t like him is what I think is wrong
Even "mumble rappers" have expressed admiration for him. Lil Yachty said he was a legend. Juice WRLD loved him to death and made a long as hell free style to nothing but Eminem beats.
JoeRieper One of the biggest reasons he is respected by rappers is because he’s a wordsmith and because of his technical abilities. This has only improved throughout his career so I imagine they respect his current abilities too.
@Mike Actually, I hear the first three, MMLP2, and Kamikaze due to them being more rap centered, and having better writting lyrical construction and themes. Personally, I hate Relapse because of dumb lines, the accents, and subject matter being handled poorly.
Interesting video, basically highlights subconscious racism and gate keeping from both races towards each other Honestly wasn't expecting that from the title of the video Edit: Im pretty sure Eminem got popular for a few reasons: 1. His undeniable skill 2. Dre helped him out in getting into the game 3. He was so goddamn controversial and offensive and basically became what boomers thought Rock and Roll was back in the day during Vietnam. 4. He had balls and also simultaneously had heart and depth 5. He's a homie and family orientated kind of guy, he would back any of his homie's tooth and nail and protected Hailie as best as he could for being as popular as he was 6. He's pretty relatable and all since poverty and financial struggle is pretty common in America, not to mention all the people from the harsh ghettos and hoods like Eminem came from as well.
Yeah but a lot of white people started listening to rap only because he was white. If he was black the white fanbase would be wayy smaller. Even he acknowledged this himself. Not saying he isn’t talented but there are other factors that led to his success.
@@xvoidxhunter2129 i think there are ways this can benefit and hurt the community, but the point is that his skin color gave him an undeniable advantage because people are more interested to see a white lyrical rapper than black lyrical rapper. thats why rappers like lil xan blow up because he’s “interesting” because he’s white and does mumble rap.
Eminem is a lot like Redman tbh and during the mid 90s he was a bit like Nas/AZ. Since he's a Top 5 rapper ever and Top 100 artist ever it's logical that he'd sell a lot. But having a key to a demographic that's locked off for 95% of other rappers is why he sells significantly more. Him and Royce are similar in skill which even Em will say. But because of image and promotion their sales represent a much wider gap than their skill. Realistically he would not be as big if he were a different shade but he'd be much more respected which is unfortunate bc he did a lot for the game & culture that's ignored by people based on things he can't control. Overall it's important to appreciate him for his efforts but recognize how it was able to get to that point. I put him in the same tier as Nas and Jay-Z but people who will illogically put him above or below based on skin tone is annoying.
@@worldtree2027 royce is definitely better than em. but if you know royce's story than we cant run with "em was white so thats why he was bigger" ..royce turned down working with dre and sought out a different path, he made 1 million off his contract elsewhere. he also fucked up his image a lot in his younger days by being drunk and off the hinges and just somebody people did not want to work with and even started beefing with eminem and d12. after rehashing the friendship, it was kind of too late because rap changed, no lyrical rappers were really poppin, it turned to the party shit and the dumbass mumble age and skinny jeans.. and also Eminem jst has a horrible person to sign to, i mean look at the long list of people who were once signed to him, the prblem is thatt hes is still an artist and him and the label are going to put all their efforts into HIM not artists underneath him, he overshadows everybody and thats bad if youre trying to come up - theres no reason slaughterhouse should have failed - but the record company and eminem interjected themselves too much into the project, picking beats and singles etc, and also mismanaged them, didnt promote them right, etc hence the joe buddens problem with the label and eminem. ultimately Royce is living a great life, his pen game iss incredible as i stated hes better than Eminem at this stage, no doubt...but he made poor decisions along the way, which is just due to being young and drinking and a company throwing a million dollars in your hands when you werent ready for that. he didnt have a team behind him like Eminem ALWAYS has be it the Outsidaz, D12, interscope, dre, paul rosenberg yada yada yada.. Royce was out there pretty much on his own - by his own doing,
I think using Eminem as an example of white privilege and the bias of white America is a terrible idea, even if you think he's overrated, everyone can agree that he is at least one of the best of all time and deserves the accolades
Using this same analogy, are black artists who rap about a street life that they never lived not “true rappers” because they appropriate the tropes of hip hop because they know it will help their sales?
Foundations Medical Informatics some of the arguments made in this video are really bad and inconsistent. You probably shouldn’t waste time thinking about the holes in his agenda here...youd find quite a few
no, because there's nothing inherently wrong with having a rap persona and crafting a narrative in your music; it's an art form like anything else. the issue isn't white rappers not experiencing the struggles a lot of their black contemporaries have faced, the issue is their blatant disrespect for the art form and their corny ass lines lmfao.
@@somber8575 "blatant disrespect for the art form" This line explicitly states that it is an art. Guess what? Artists make their art in their own way. Just because their stylistic choices don't mesh with your likes, it doesn't mean they are disrespecting anything. To say that white rappers are disrespectful to an art that they participate in is foolish. By the way, it's quite silly to generalize "corny lines" to being white, and it's even more silly to act like black rappers don't have corny lines.
@@sin1sta did you watch the video? he makes a clear distinction between "white rappers" and rappers who are white. capitalizing on the trendy sound and aesthetics of rap while putting out soulless garbage for white college kids to eat up is absolutely disrespecting the art form. i'm not saying they should be stopped from making art in any way that they enjoy, but just as they're allowed to make shitty art i'm allowed to criticize it lmfao and i know that white rappers aren't the only rappers that have corny lines -- i was specifically talking about the frat-rap that alfo talks about in the video. there are plenty of black rappers with corny lines. have you ever heard of hopsin? lmao
"Though I'm not the first king of controversy I am the worst thing since Elvis Presley To do black music so selfishly And use it to get myself wealthy" - Eminem, Without Me
@@EverybodyIsDeadDave another example of Eminem being self-critical enough to admit that he was more marketable because of his race other than the one given in the video
This is it, Em acknowledges a big part of his success is because he is white and raps. I think at this point in his career he wants to be acknowledged as a master lyricists instead of 'successful because I'm white rapper'. No, for me personally I'm usually not bumping Eminem in my car but when it comes to hearing what word play and double and triple entendres he comes up with he is a true legend in that!
Authenticity huh? Ice Cube went to a prep school. Drake had a Bar Mitzvah. Travis Scott is from the suburbs. Nick Cannon's family is rich. Offset's parents are college professors.
And Eminem came from nothing. It's about artistic legitimacy. When white critics downplay white artists because they don't come from 'the streets' that in itself is a racist perspective.
@@caspian3755 No, you filthy liar, I did not "go after" his Jewishness. I pointed out the hypocrisy of giving a rapper acceptance and declaring them authentic because of their skin color. I wouldn't expect the likes of you to understand, you have to spend all your time trying to police everyone else to prop yourself up.
I’m white and I love eminems music I grew up on it. But I also grew up on way more black rap. 2pac was one of the best rappers and always tried to make the world a better place with his music
I think your being unfair to Eminem. Saying he isn’t himself and has no respect in the hip hop community is crazy when he still pulls good features on his albums.
Just because he pulls good features doesn't mean anything. Eminem is and probably will be for a while the best selling hip hop artist for a while. Getting an Eminem feature is just a smart business decision.
@@DragonsYuh i still disagree with the statement most of hip hop respect his rapping ability they just feel he's missing in the content department. But he already has a core fan base of all ethnicities and only 3 albums were truly "bad albums"
@@Randomperson-zt3il encore, relapse (although I liked it), and Revival (honorable mention to Shady XV which was a label group project not a solo album.) But out of like 11-12 projects 3 of which classics 5 of which award winning not bad
Chris Webby is a student of the game, some of his earlier music was fratty but he has always shown respect for hip hop and OGs. He’s worked with Bun B, Prodigy, Joel Ortiz, Method Man, etc.
@@128robertmarlowe you think he's nearly as respected now? He's really clownifying his career with his latest big moves. 👁️ It seem to me like the rap community is beginning to distance themselves from it and eminem is taking a pop like path.
I would have lil ugly mane at least alongside Aesop rock and slug for “rappers who are too underground for the discussion” segment, but overall an interesting video, it’s surprising people are still in denial that white hip hop artists get a leg up in the industry based on their race, like they are far more marketable for a white audience, which takes up a majority of America
I mean this was a pretty obvious video, if you were marketing in Asia, you'd probably use an Asian etc. This video basically just explains that more white people listen to rap now than before without actually coming to that conclusion.
Eyedea. Dude won several battles but caught backlash for growing and wanted to switch genres when fans loved him in rap. He's no longer with us but I'd say Eyedea was well respected and was a guy who respected the culture and stayed true to himself not riding a wave
I think its just sad that till this day, we're still separating artists in hip hop just because of the colour of their skin and arguing about whether a non-black rapper is good or not with their race instead of rapping skills.
My opinion on the matter is that white rapper would not make it in the music industry if they did not appeal to both white and black communities. If anything rap music was more accepting to white artist in comparison with black artists in country music. I think for those saying that white rappers shouldn’t of a black dominated music industry are really in the minority on that opinion.
As a white guy who grew up in the suburbs but listened to hip-hop and R&B and hard rock & metal I absolutely agree with you here. I'm almost 40 so rap was very lyrical when I was a kid. Wu tang, cypress Hill, Nas ect. I will never forget when me and my best friend saw the slim shady video on MTV in the middle of the night. We both laughed and called it crap and we were sure Em would be a one hit wonder. Man were we wrong. I've come to really like some of Ems stuff but maybe 20 percent? I do however like some "clones" like Hopson and NF. I don't like mumble rap but hey that's because I'm old.
You should try looking up Eminem's first song, idk which Slim Shady song you watched but I feel you should know he didn't start there and just suddenly blew up cause he was white, he was writing music way before he touched any kind of succes and he got pretty good at it, iirc he only started blowing up when he got taken under Dr. Dre and trained by him to write lyrics that hit harder. If you've already seen his first song then you can feel free to ignore this comment
12:37 I think you missed the point of the video a little. You also don't seem like you look deep into eminem and just graze his stuff here and there. I love NF too tho.
I think the people that dont like mumble rap dont like it because they come at it from the perspective of what rap used to be, but nowadays rap has become a vibe, it doesnt matter what youre saying as long as it sounds good
I love that logic got put in with the white rappers. This is perfect. Edit: everyone commenting below not understanding the joke and explaining the obvious.
I'm 40+ and I come from a time before rap ... Music was better then ... because is takes a skill to make music ... ANYBODY can talk shit if you give them some money ... money for nothing ... There is not a whole heck of alot of "GOOD" rap music in America. . . and I doubt your judgement on what qualifies.
The comment section is gonna be so funny
I can feel my organs failing already
@Nort awfully hot coffee pot
pissbaby's incoming
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@Kausachun Velasco tf are you talking about...? Black people are never slammed for what they say. White people are always the "oppressors" with "privilege..."
What's interesting is that when Dr Dre heard Eminem, he absolutely loved it. He only heard a demo and never saw a pic of him and assumed Em was black but that wasn't the case. Just Shows
@God is Here cause black people could rap. That was the normal assumptions back then.
@God is Here still is kinda a thing till this day even though a lot more whites are getting noticed then before.
Mhm
Yes ... Thank you
God is Here There is no proof of that. Id wager if Em was Black he wouldnt be Em. When he came out his style wasnt the norm...
For me I don’t care what race you are if you make good rap you make good rap
exactly
👍👍👍 u right
Yep
Facts
Subjective
Don't let this video distract you from the fact that logic is biracial.
He only lets us know every other bar
@@eatham423 Noooooo he's white AND black
ReD ReaVeR don’t tell me you’d say Yellowman isn’t Jamaican? Just happens to have Albinism... Logic’ brothers and sisters are black, Logic just happened to be white but be raised by black people and surrounded by black people. He acknowledges this unlike white rappers.
ReD ReaVeR all this shit aside, strong arm steady are dope. what i’m saying is Logic was raised by black people and acknowledges the problems he faced by being associated between white and black, i think defining him as a “white rapper” is misjudged.
Don't let the fact that Logic is biracial distract you from the fact that Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself.
Bro white or black IT DONT MATTER if u wonna rap, no matter what race you are, DO NOT give up, but no hate man u a legend keep grinding
Rap sucks either way
@@grant1739 says the guy who clicked on a rap video
@@manihoji agree with your point but v1nce pfp
@@grant1739 why are u here dog
I bet you're white. This sounds very white.
Em was booed when he was starting over and over. He worked it all up, he swallowed all them embarrassment and anxiety. He was criticized because he was different. He didn’t fit into these
example of racism against whites within the rapping community yet everyone still thinks they got "privilege" in a literal music genre.
Did you watch the video
@@i-man872 😂
Damn his biggest struggle in his career was being hated on…thats crazy…he’s one of the best rappers cus he’s had to get over the hate….
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this youtuber forgot the legendary artist behind "it's everyday bro"
🗿 we dont talk about that shit bro
that's not a problem to hip hop.. that's a problem to society bruh
Truly a rap icon. Why didn't he win a grammy?
Mmmm the epitome of artistry
England used to be a country
*But now it's a city*
As a black man Mac Miller will always have my respect dead or alive he knew his place and he really rapped not just rapping fast and changing voices
Rest In Peace mac
wait your black?
Are you implying something about Eminems relapse
Only white ppl say "as a black man I..."
Bruuh u are not black u are Arabic, there black and white people have the same mentally so u aren't considered black
Ik I’m late but reading these comments it’s funny how much people misinterpreted or downright ignored pretty much everything alfo said in this video.
Most I don't think have finished the video, I'm seeing comments asking about rappers that literally get mentioned in the later bits of the video.
Oh look it's a pick me🙄
@@aliway4136 again I find it funny that not only did you ignore/misinterpret what alfo said, you ignored what I said.
How has anything that I’ve said made me out to be a pick me
Because for some race is their N word.
Ya I tuned out tbh. Don't got time for all these mental gymnastics justifying how race matters and it's good to see race and to treat diff races differently...
Vanilla ice started the whole “corny white rapper” thing.
Vanilla ice is cringy
Hmm idk beastie boys
@@Imagetherealist beastie boys were good, though.
Beastie Boys and 3rd base were trash
@Sleepy Dean
Beastie Boys trash? You are a fucking idiot.
Great. Now Logic is going to spend 10 more years telling everyone he's biracial.
He is? Goddamn, He shouldve told me
“It ain’t a project if logic ain’t talking bout being biracial”😂😂😂
Yea but he not from the hood he from a predominantly white neighborhood..so in hip hop that's always gonna raise a bit of controversy...just like if I'm from NYC but do country music. People wanna know what's your connection to hip hop if your a artist..it's one of the few genre of music where your background can make or break..hip hop is more culture then anything..not so much about race
@Lou Fay note even half. look at his dad and it should be clear.
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Eminem deserves everything he got imo. He went through it to get started and it took him 3 albums to really get going (slim shady lp)
And as a black guy Eminem is my fav rapper of all time abd has some of my favourite albums if all time. But I ofc agree with the white America point, but I wouldn't credit all his success to him being white/having a white fan base. He has a very culturally diverse fan base and people like Kanye also now at least have a very very large white fan base aswell. And imo Eminem wasn't making "white hip hop" he was making hip hop for hip hop lovers, studying the great and inspiring future greats
Eminem nowadays has a culturally diverse fan base, but he has built that fan base off of the fact that he is white and white people are more marketable.
@@Cillixn not true at all. Em was famous all around the world and already had a multi cultural fanbase even in the late 90’s and early 2000’s
@@Shine-wb6ll why are you gatekeeping a show thats loved by people all across the world. yes you can be black and like anime in fact alot of black ppl like anime. stop being ignorant and asking stupid questions
AND IF U DIDNT NOTICE MY NARUTO IS BLACK THERE
@Tito talks critically about music You sir can’t accept the fact that eminem has black fans. You sir have the soul of a white man.
yeah and it helps that he lived a life in the hood, true rap music comes from telling your stories in a lyrical way from the heart and soul.
It's interesting that white fans of white rappers get so defensive. I don't fuck with people who shame others for liking white rappers... But, at the same time, just admit it. A huge reason why white people like Eminem is because he is a white guy in a predominantly black industry. Same for basketball; people liking Larry Bird. It's cool.
Shit there's no shame in it. The big problem is people making out it's a sin to like your own race. I highly doubt black people were sitting around thinking "whites invented NBA it's not fair Jordan dominates it".
It doesn’t take away their credits though
Tbf Larry Bird is actually good at what he does, Eminem is not
@@vonelgamer3071 that’s cap
@@bossshxtonlythat’s a different conversation though, that double standard isn’t exactly applicable in hip hop
1) You shouldn’t like a rapper simply bc he’s white
2) You shouldn’t dislike a rapper simply bc he’s white
Both are simple minded thinking and, yea, focused on race a bit too much.
So goes for Black Country singers, black rockers, etc.
You should look at the origin of country music, jazz, blues, etc.
@@wahuigi6843
Yep yep, that's also like saying Americans can't make dubstep or that Asians can't do reggae
@@PengyDraws that's not what I'm saying, I'm just stating that his example is false
@@wahuigi6843
Oh, yeah. Ok
@@PengyDraws still dubstep is considered to be so mainstream to the point to where it cant be associated with an ethnicity. If something is associated with an ethnicity (being apart of the culture) then yeah, if you're mocking the culture then you shouldn't partake in it. Some people do mock a culture. They do this by taking what made something great in a culture and distorting it to the point of unrecognition. This is bad because instead of giving homage to what you've contributed your success to, what usually comes out is a bastardized, low quality, corny/cringy, soulless product. This is what people mean when they say culture appropriation, while I believe that it has been used out of the right context a lot, making it lose it's meaning, I still believe that a lot of people do it. (In this situation, it's a rapper like token.
“They weren’t trying to be accepted by the hip hop community, they were perfectly happy picking and choosing” yup there it is
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spiritual lyrical individual. Spiritual miracle lyrical individua
thats how new styles are created. look at uzi. he didnt give a fuck bout ogs he did his own thing everyone hated on him even tho he black and now he a legend
this was said perfectly!!!
@@asya-35987
A Legend how 😂😂😂
The world needs to End now.
For eminem i feel like he wasn't really accepted by the existing community but was able to get widespread success commercially due to the fact that he was more marketable to white people who is the vast majority of the US. The thing is with Eminem though is that he is actually talented which lead to the existing community start to slowly accept him over time. It is hard for white rappers especially in the early 2000s to get credit for how good they are from the existing hiphop community but was a lot easier to get credit from casually listeners and is why em has always done really well commercially
No disrespect, but I don't think I agree with the not accepted by the hip hop community as Em earned his stripes and respect in battle rap and had the backing of Dr. Dre early in his career, which could only come from people respecting him. But In regards to Eminem having talent, easily one of the greatest of the greatest to ever do it.
the problem i think with white rappers is that they try to emulate eminem. ex, rapping fast, over excessive use of big words and grunt rapping.
EL WIZARD yeah there needs to be more originality
Should we discredit and blame Em for that? Em payed respect to the OGs and has knowledge about hip-hop like no one else.
@@michelle2754 no not at all. Em is the OG paid his dues but white rappers today think if they follow the same formula they get big like smh
eminem is cringee
@@nikkeipvck8529 now he is but back in the 90s and early 2000s what he did wasnt thought of as cringe
I totally didn’t give Mac any attention when he was coming up cause he really did play that role of a white rapper, until my friend put him on not too long before he died and I was thinking, “fuck did I really miss out on a legend?” Like he was just growing and now we’ll never get to see where he could’ve gone with that
I felt the exact same way, was even working at festival where he performed during my break but didn't bother to see him. I am now listening and loving all of his stuff regret that moment so much
I guess this is a lesson, don’t judge a book by its cover next time because once the book has been burned you’ll come running back wishing you could read it
travis la flame whoa ur lyrical 🤣🔥
Mac was not JUST growing. Mac grew into what “Swimming” and “Circles” IS. Definitely so much more to explore but we can’t make it seem as if Mac didn’t get the chance to grow. As a fan for 10+ years, i encourage you to listen to his early mixtapes, his work as “Larry Fisherman” and “Larry Lovestien”, all the way up to “Circles”. You will see the growth and it was beautiful. RIP MAC MILLER❤️
Lmao “just growing”. Pls stop
Some of this stuff makes sense but as for Eminem. You can't claim he used "being white" as a booster for fame. Eminem respected the rap game and worked his way from the bottom. The reason Dre signed him rather than some other record label is, quote by Dre "everyone was racist against Eminem for being white and trying to join the rap community". They basically thought since he was white he didn't belong in the game. But Dre signed him and the rest is history.
Em is a bully, and Malcolm X warned Black folks about people like Em
Exactly he grew up poor and in a bad neighborhood and he had to work to get to the top
@@ahmadlalla5557 he's not that bad
Yeah. He knows that. That’s not what he was saying. You kinda missed the point
@@ahmadlalla5557 how is he a bully lmao
In my opinion, if you can talk about Action Bronson and his niche, you can put Aesop Rock and Slug in that category. Aesop and Slug have been around longer, Slug built his record label, and Aesop is one of the most intricate wordsmiths. They both came out of the same underground movement as El-P. El-P didn't get a lot of recognition in the mainstream until he and Killer Mike formed Run the Jewels, which isn't even mentioned.
missing the point and also he specifically mentions that El-P didn’t see success until forming RTJ so i kno you didn’t watch the whole video
@@dmndxdave I must have missed that part of the video. My bad. I rewatched the video and acknowledge the mistake. Would you be willing to explain what point I missed?
Cause they all SUCK
WRONG! The most disastrous Grammy win was 2 years later when Taylor Swift's "1989" beat "To Pimp A Butterfly" for album of the year.
The Grammys are never giving a real rap album the album of the year
@NizzyNizerson The only problem with that is To Pimp a Butterfly is the greatest rap album of the 21st century. But unfortunately for the Grammys that doesn't matter
David Massawa Taylor Swift album was just better 🤷🏽♀️
ik u mfs are not saying TAYLOR SWIFT IS BETTER THAN KENDRICK
NizzyNizerson listen I don’t hate Taylor Swift but I think tpab should’ve won because it’s as good of a rap album as 1989 was a pop album. But what tpab stands for and it’s lyrical content is just on such a higher level than any album of Taylor Swift. I’m saying this again I don’t hate Taylor Swift I’ve listened to some of her songs of her past album and enjoyed them but lyrical content isn’t subjective.
“Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.” ― Oscar Wilde
You never really hear anything past flattery in that quote, huh
@@senza4591 True, the short form is weak sauce, the full quote is Oscar Wilde at his regular savage mode.
ImItAtIoN iS tHe SiNcErEsT fOrM oF fLaTtErY tHaT mEdIoCrItY cAn PaY tO gReAtNeSs
Aymen edgy?
But literally what he's saying was they didn't imitate they made it their own thing
Interesting video. We reacted to this on Revolutionary Blackout Network and it was a great discussion. Thank you for this video essay.
We judge music by sound, not ethnicity
“We don’t judge music by ethnicity”
Well we've seen what you guys have made popular over the years, so don’t lie
@@Ronnie.Raymond u such a clown
@@Ronnie.Raymond dumbass comment considering black musicians dominate the charts.
@@Ronnie.Raymond This guy specifically is saying he judges music by sound, so what reason do you have to think he's lying?
Stop throwing people into a generalized category. Music is subjective and not everything has some racist/bias-to-race foundation behind it or whatever is being implied hwre.
@@SerotoninSorbet People have been saying that for decades, and we know by now that it isn't always true.
It’s weird, most of the time I listen to white rappers it sounds soo corny and almost off putting like it doesn’t feel authentic, but artists like suicide boys, Mac Miller, BROCKHAMPTON and some other white rappers I don’t mind because they aren’t trying to fit in. They’re doing something different instead of just rapping really fast. You have something else to focus on instead of they’re race. When I listen to them it’s never really my first thought what race they are but that they’re music is good. But listening to guys like Nf and Chris webby it’s so much more noticeable
Yeh its surprising that Alfo didn't mention Matt and Joba
@@syko.uk. Matt's Asian, and he showed clips of them at the end of the video
Truth
I wouldn’t say that NF is a stereotypical white rapper. He is a great lyricist and he doesn’t try hard to fit in. He’s kind of in his own lane and his fine with that. I’m not saying you should like him but, he is definitely genuine with his music.
Cade England yeah. I agree w this. I’m not a massive nf fan as he’s just not my type, but it’s not down to his race that I dont like, I just don’t really like his style
Saying Eminem isn't respected in hip hop community is such a joke while you can see people on forums and youtube comments disrespecting him most top rappers really respect guy.From best rappers of this age like Kendrick and Cole who openly said that he was one of their idols to goats like Rakim who said that Eminem was great lyricist.That part really rubbed me wrong way and I'm not even big Eminem fan but guy went through the hell his whole life to get here and now people on internet are disrespecting him like he didn't do anything for culture.
Hexing ON Amen
Hexing ON Yeah he talked about how Mac Miller had to fight his way to the top and totally dismissed the struggles that Eminem went through to get where he is now.
Em treats the world like trash then gets mad when the world treats him like trash back.
@Prepare your ass because pablo im talking more about post mmlp2 Eminem but yeah i agree with that statement however hes worth millions of dollars and probably fucks on the daily so i dont understand why hes still phased by internet haters
@@pumpkinsmasher8346ems life was trash since birth, raised and treated like shit for the longest time, you think you can just sell millions of albums and get over what you built your success on.
Rap & hip hop don’t have a color. It’s an art.
To me Hip-Hop is all about being dope and relatable, It don’t matter being black or white I wish this topic would just die. I don’t buy hip-hop records because a rapper is black or white
This dude just sounds super woke and goofy explaining how “white people” have more privilege when it comes to success in the rap industry.
Clive Matthews but Asian tho?
Amen bro
Tuxedo Mask Kenny but you do see some hidden truth behind that right?
Abdul Sesay Are you referring to the obvious truth that is the predominant white population in America? I’m sorry but the video in question seems to disregard this truth as a means to push an agenda
Bro you forgot to mention John Cena, one of the greatest white guys that raps of all time
I forgot about that 😂
@@kaylaniwoodson4537 bro he was in the video
And Macho Man Randy Savage and Hulk Hogan.
Really? I haven't seen him
It's funny cause there's a Murs track on you tube tHat randomly says ft. John cena
I can’t believe Macklemore won a grammy especially in that year of music
yeah, all of those albums should have won a Grammy if it was based on successes, hits, popularity, and impact. For me, GKMC would win 9/10 times in a rematch.
@@joe_omama 10/10
Macklemore was person who made rap but was not a hip hop artist
White privelage
@@thomasanderson7653 technically still 9/10 because Macklemore won it
What about korean rappers? Like the idols from kpop groups, what you guys think of them?
If the music is dope, does race really matter? These are interesting conversations but like it said in the video, I don't think it will matter anymore. Specially when it's no longer just white or black people doing it. Hip Hop is universal nowadays. Every country has their big, mainstream rappers. Even doing shit in their own language and adding their own style and twist to it.
Yea people just wanna make shit up cause they white or sum
Blame the white people that ran America. They made everything about race 😭 let me remind you, less than a hundred years ago , race was a big factor and it still shows today of course
Exactly
You can't spell crap without rap
You can't spell crap without rap
imagine logic seeing you categorize him as a white rapper, legendary
That's why he has to keep reminding people
He should stop caring at this point, if someone doesn't know he's biracial the memes will make them find out lol.
@@Prolificx if he stops talking about it the memes will die.
Well let's be honest here, logic is super pale. I have a feeling his dad was biracial, and his mom full white. Making logic like 1/4 African American at best. Im Irish and equally as tan as him lol
@@Burnt_clutch89 When it comes to appearance it's a very confusing topic. I know italians that are darker than Jcole and they're considered to be white because they're whole family is just Italian.
Not that I completely agree with it but Eminem is considered one of the greatest rappers ever, so saying that he only has fame because he is white is absolutely bullshit I think.
Exactly! Even if he is white majority of his influencers are black
He grew up in the black rap era so he raised himself because of his skill
except no, one of the main reasons hes so popular is because people were like "wow, a WHITE GUY rapping? that's so edgy and quirky!!". he's really not that great and if he wasn't white, chances are he would be a lot less popular
He was literally carried to fame by Dr.Dre
@@sirdavid8650 that is completely wrong
Even tho he was raised by Dr.Dre
If he wasn't skillful his albums wouldn't get a songle sale consodered he was a white rapper in an era where all rappers where black
I think being able to relate to rappers is a huge factor, too. I listen to some german rappers and most if not all are a minority in germany I can relate to as someone who is an immigrant themselves. I can't listen to Cardi B when all she rap about is being rich. Macklemore is just not the culture I am in and Eminem is closer to what I went through as the only polish kid in school. I love Kendrick because he talks about shit I care about, and on and on. I love Nicki because she doesn't flaunt her wealth too much but disses rappers, I feel connected as a woman in rap to her. It's quite hard to explain, but I guess you could boil it down to: People with privilege will listen to people who rap about privilege.
I've never once decided I liked a song or an artist because of their race. Good music is good music and music that sucks, sucks. Anyone who only listens to music based on the artists race is limiting themselves.
and they are a racist
not only that chances are they have more bias that make listening to music just really hard in general
Completely missed the point of this video if that’s all you took from it
You never decided what music you liked for yourself. You just listen to what everybody else listen to. stfu
You can't spell crap without rap
Is the song good? Does it have lyrics that connect the artist to their audience? That is all that matters.
fr
had this same thought when I first clicked the video
@Thomas Buchovecky I disagree. Connecting with an audience requires a lot of nuance. Additionally, a huge part of being good is in the lyrics. That’s the difference between a one hit wonder and rapper that makes it big time. Now just because white rappers and black rappers might have different messages or experiences does not mean that the their is a problem with white rappers. The video tries to make the case that white rappers do not represent the culture that was established through rap, as if that is all there is to rap. However, that is simply not true. Rap is about cadence, rhythms, and sharing experiences through lyrical twist and turns. Meaning rap is about connecting a beat to some lyrics and telling a story and sharing lyrics. It’s about expressing oneself for varying reasons or crying out for a group of people. Now all of this is not exclusive to black rappers. The video specifically cites Eminem as being a problem white rapper but according to your position do you still think that’s true? Do you think that Eminem lacks depth and nuance?
@@BubbaBasher02 eminems new stuff is trash and his old stuff is ok but he never evolved in any meaningful way so it gets really bland really quick while I can always switch between Kanye albums for example. Eminem may not be a one hit wonder but he certainly is a one trick pony
so how tf did macklemore win that grammy
It’s funny that my friend who just happens to be black, told his group of friends (also black), that his favorite rapper was Eminem. All of his buddies started laughing and calling him “white wannabe.” It kinda pisses me off that his friends didn’t like that he liked Eminem.
thats messed up
Fucked up
Shit man they don't have any respect
Eminem is also my favorite rapper, I'm not gonna lie when I was a kid I was kinda self-conscious about it, I felt like a "traitor", it also didn't help that I was one of those black kids who got teased for "being too white"
If your favorite rapper is Eminem in 2020....... you gotta get out more
So what are your thoughts about guys like Derrick Green, or Lajon Witherspoon? Black dudes in metal bands (Sepultura and Sevendust respectively).
@@DrNekobeardThere is no need for any conversation. Don't give a damn if you are black, white or purple. People can do the music they want to do.
Beastie boys? True hip hop by three jewish kids. They earn every ounce of respect they get. And they were early on the scene as well.
I loved the NYC music scene of the 80s. The East Village/Tompkins Square Park was a real meeting place of the tribes: Punk, Ska, Hip Hop, Reggae etc. The Talking Heads, Tom Tom Club, Bad Brains, The Toasters, Fab 5 Freddy. Hip Hop was deservedly gaining new audiences, and I never heard this debate. IMO this has a lot more to do with what happened once the money started rolling in.
third bass was jewish as well. i guess the only respected white rappers are new york jews lmao (i'm not being antisemitic just making a joke)
@@saintnicole3209 Not to be "that guy" but I don't think Pete Nice is Jewish. He went to a catholic high school. And Richie Rich was black...Just sayin!
@@tipsythefedora you're right. i knew one of them was black. i should have mentioned that they were one of the first big interracial hip hop groups.i'm pretty sure mc search is jewish, i probably should have looked up pete mice's background before i made assumptions. thank you for informing me!
Anyone who brings up "white privilege" is a joke and racist.
Instead of "white guys who rap", you should have called them "rappers who happen to be white". As you described El-P he puts being a rapper first and being white second.
Ethan Brown uhh did u watch the video? That’s exactly what he did
Marcus Summers Being white doesn’t take anything from other people, it was started by white people and who even gives a shit if you’re white if you’re a good rapper you’re not taking anything away you’re adding to the culture.
You're white arent you
@@gavinbundrock9141 Yeah, why?
@Ethan Brown only a white person would get offended at this vid lmao
Post Malone isn't even a rapper he's just an r&b singer
But he uses rap beats .... that’s not fair
@@Grind2Excellence yeah true but I don't go by beats I go by how he sings and he sings like an r&b singer
Nah he’s a singer
He's a hybrid singer-rapper
Not even r&b he’s more pop then anything.
Great video you definitely broke it down well
As 2Pac said: "It ain't about black or white, cause we are all human".
Thats cherry picking quotes..
j.sll wish it could be that way...
It is about race, stop misquoting a Pro Black God
And yet his parents were from Black Panther Party. So, get over it, it is about race.
You take a sip from your Trusty Vault 13 canteen - STFU. “Race” matters because “whites” made it so. Rap/hip hop is a BLACK creation. It’s ours. It was made via our struggle with racism here. Leeches always try to be culture vultures with what we create. Create your own.
This is a very Gen Z "I wasn't alive to understand the context and times, but I want to speak on this" perspective. Claiming that Eminem is only as wildly accepted and popular because he is white is bullshit. Eminem was accepted in spite of being white because of the work he put in, the connections he made and most importantly, the talent that brought him up, was brought up with him and that later, he supported. He is prolific because he postioned himself throughout 3 distinct generations of music.
he literally mentioned that for a long time white rappers have more trouble being accepted in the rap community, but ok.
@@jayn5543 He outright claims it's like a steady acceleration rocket versus a slow to fuel, quick takeoff rocket. Implying that being white just means once you handle the adversity, success is guranteed, which is just 100% false, by that logic, why aren't logic and lil dicky as popular and successful as Eminem. I have no problem with conversation, but comparing Jay-Z and Eminem is stupid. Eminem put a lot of work and time and positioned himself in ways throughout the years to achieve the success he gets now. I understand why children don't get that, because y'all weren't alive, but that it absolutely not the historical context. His albums were some of the inciting incidents for parental advisory labels on CDs and he appear in court and in front of congressal hearings several times to justify his art form.
@@DoubleDOwnage And he's right, reminder that Eminem won grammys in the early 2000s and the Marshall EP was one of the fastest selling albums in that period, even I admit that early Eminem was a good artist but NO WAY was he even near the level of the best rappers in the game at the time, MF DOOM alone was dropping shit like Madvillainy and Vaudeville Villain at the time which went on to inspire an entire generation of rappers.
So I still think he does have a point, Eminem being white definitely contributed to his huge commercial success.
@@skepticcat2443 Not really. Every time someone tries to boil something down to one simplistic explanation like "definitely due to him being white", it's usually a gross misrepresentation of reality. There's a very long list of reasons why Eminem exploded like he did, and being white was a very small part of it. Eminem has also inspired an entire generation of rappers, other artists and many, many people from all walks of life across the entire planet. It goes deeper than just "he's white." Most of the world isn't White.
P.S. DOOM also really only exploded in the underground after Em's prime.
@@simonbright2975 No one is saying Eminem is only popular due to him being white, but him being white is a huge and undeniable factor in his colossal commercial success, it gave him access to an entire untapped demographic that would otherwise not listen to hip hop music, especially during the early 2000s due to gangsta rap being the dominant form in the mainstream, I agree that artists like DOOM or Freddie Gibbs aren't the best pick to compare since their works were never radio friendly to begin with, but even if we look at artists like Kanye or Kendrick, both people who made some of the best records in mainstream hip hop, we can still see them overshadowed by Eminem's extremely average later works in the 2010s, hell Macklemore won the grammy over those two, if that isn't indicative of white privilege I don't know what is.
It's not so much about Eminem himself, it's more about the audience that listens to him and why they do so, I guarantee you a majority of people who listen to Eminem are completely ignorant about the history of hip hop or the classics of the genre, Eminem is all but musically a pop artist, he is treated like one by the mainstream, and even he admits so in his own words, the quote is right there in the video.
I’m a white guy but I heavily dislike most white rappers mainly because they try and follow the same stereotype that Eminem started, the reason why Mac Miller is so respected, loved and never gets the “he’s the best white rapper” treatment is because he separates himself from the stereotypes, you don’t have to be like “i like black people” or “I don’t like white people we take stuff” to be accepted, if anything people will push you away just like Macklemore, on another note though, not every white rapper has to “acknowledge privilege” because not every rapper is American and that’s just facts, and as for white people supporting white rappers that’s fax but that’s normal, and tbh most fans at any rappers shows are white whether the artist is white or black and they get criticised for that, but white people are allowed to be big fans of white rappers and saying it’s “weird” is a weird thing lol, sure they’re more drawn to it but don’t try and overanalyse something that’s just not even there
eminem is cringeeee
Do you put Mac above Aesop Rock?
@Majin Porterhaus. If you're gonna include Encore then there's no reason to take out Relapse. Relapse is better than Encore.
Lee McDonald facts, instead of caring about people’s personality or their actions they care about things people can’t control and ALL races do that shit, wether people want to admit it or not, that shit doesn’t matter and white rappers shouldn’t feed into it by making it a thing
Majority of the audience is white because whites are the majority race in the country. This was not true however back in the beginning stages of rap with biggie, pac, and even before that with ll cool j and etc. I think the overall point is that the genres general roots oughta be respected. As for white people supporting white rappers because they'er white, I don't think it should be like this at all actually.
"the problem with black country artists"
yea black country doesnt really sound like smt ppl would fw
You do know that black people invented Country music right?
@@genevievealainlegagneur4208 ik they invented rock and roll but i thought country was a poor white person thing from the great depression
its literally just racism on a smaller scale im tired of this
What do you have against Darius Rucker, Kane Brown and Shaboozey
Eminem went through just as much as any other rapper, he deserved every award he ever got.
bruh he went through more, have you seen his documentary??
Bruh ... I'm not even gonna tell you. You clearly don't know anything about rap history or America
Eminiem's fans are the thing that makes him unbearable. I mean he literally trys to get them into the rap artist that inspired him and they completely disregard it and only listen to or talki about Eminiem as the GOAT and the epitome of rap.
@@Treize132 What about it? you like what you like. His fans hans nothing to do with him, judge him for him not for who likes him, you to fucking stupid to do that, then thats on you.
Pack it up, pack it in, let me begin
I came to win, battle me that's a sin
I won't ever slack up, punk you better back up
Try and play the role and yo the whole crew'll act up
Get up, stand up (c'mon!) see'mon throw your hands up
If you've got the feeling, jump across the ceiling
Muggs lifts a funk flow, someone's talking junk
Yo I bust him in the eye, and then I'll take the punk's hoe
Feelin', funkin', amps in the trunk and I got more rhymes
Than there's cops at a Dunkin' Donuts shop
Sho' nuff, I got props
From the kids on the hill plus my mom and my pops
I came to get down, I came to get down
So get out your seat and...
Just sayin'
God I feel bad for Macklemore. He didn’t ask for any of this
the heist isnt even a bad album but it definitely didnt warrant the win
who tf is macklemore. i think you mean snap crackle pop
@@flowthunder2659 Search up thrift shop
He'll live
the sad thing is he was one of the first ones of this trend where the rapper's songs are bigger than the actual rapper. He's humble, and cares for his craft and can make some really good music!
The big seperation in rap is not black vs white, it's genuine vs wack.
There's a lot of wack black rappers out there too, and to me they're no better than frat boy rappers. If you're spoiled and narcissistic, have no soul or connection, then it just isn't worth listening to.
These horrible frat boy rappers you mentioned, they're not horrible because they're white. They're horrible because they're spoiled little brats. Doesn't matter if it's Mike Stud or Rick Ross, it's still wack and makes you feel you lost brain cells.
Yet no-one would make big points about narcissistic black rappers being black, the way you made a big point of these frat rappers being white. You would never have the guts to make a video like that. So, it doesn't seem genuine if you don't have the balls to do criticism honestly. Trying to be woke just for the sake of it, is something you do because you want people to think something about you. Not because you want to be genuine or express something that is real.
The points about privilege though, is spot on. You could have made this video more about that, there's more to be said here. That would be an interesting video, I'm not anti-woke. I'm just anti people who're trying to be woke to seem cool.
Real vs mumble
yeah it sounded like he had a skeleton for this video about genuine rappers but ended up making it about ethnicity because of the amount of examples he had that were white and none that were black
Damn you just had the gun loaded for this vid
Yes there are wack black rappers and people trash on their music all the time. There even be white and other races of people in these comments that'll troll and talk about their music because they're black. I think many white rappers get privileged by people saying their songs and lyrics are great just because when in fact there are terrible white rappers too. I won't gas anyone up because of the color of their skin. A person who can't rap is a person who cannot rap...
“I’m just anti people who’re trying to be woke to seem cool” I think you just summed up society nowadays. Where people will say this and that not because they want to speak up but because they want validation from a huge community that has had more power in America as a whole. He’s literally a pick me and I noticed it as soon as he said that he was a white guy as if his race is important in the video. I’m honestly really against the whole double standard thing that’s been going on lately especially in my community, and I really worry about the next generation as a Gen Z…
They had an advantage because of the colour of their skin (being white) but at the same time, they are being bashed because of the colour of their skin!
If the only reason I blowed is 'cause I'm white though, Why don't every other white rapper sell what I sold? - Eminem
You have to good too
You also have to be good.
I'd say because he's known across the globe, like for real, the only "white" rappers i know are eminem, logic and mgk
@@300subscriberswithoutanyvideos Don't you find it funny how he avoided to use that verse, because he's pushing a narrative that only white people listen to him. Guess who's the most streamed international artist in Africa? Lmao
Slip Knot Actually it’s not Eminem! He’s not even in the top 20! It’s Sarkodie , FALZ, M. Anifest , Nasty C. , AKA, Kahiligraph Jones ect. I’m originally from São Paulo Brazil and called an African friend who now lives in Brazil....he told me that Eminem is bullshit in Africa...it’s only listened to by White people that live in Africa and not actual AFRICANS (black people) 😂👍🏾
EL-P, Beastie Boys, EMINEM all LEGIT to the culture.
Beastie Boys were one of the original hip hop acts.
Mac too
@SCP-939 Lyrical Miracle bullshit is inane multi rhymes going nowhere. Aesop's tracks often do have themes, they're just really dense. The Impossible Kid is his most streamlined release, like, I don't know how you could listen to something like Rings and think it's lyrical miracle shit.
@SCP-939 wtf is lyrical miracle bullshit?
@SCP-939 Lupe and k rino and black thought nahhhh. More like Aesop rock and sometimes em.
Mac Miller turned out to be surprisingly incredible
I go so far that he is actually the only white rapper who is not seen as cornd
He was never not corny to me for some reason
Mac Miller also had an incredible evolution
Dead, you misspelled dead.
Death doesn't make you amazing
We need to keep having conversations like this! If we don’t then hip hop will become rock and roll
what you mean
@@zeitok8 it will slowly change into an all white Genre. Just like rock and other genres
@@enriquestewart5762 difetrent context and time, black people in the 50 and 60 weren´t just rock, it was jazz, blues, r&b, soul etc and all kind o fussions, nobody care about the color of Hendrix or Prince, game changers got their place in history. Hip Hop born half of century ago in the bronx, nothing is in danger, the danger to hip hop was already done years ago, it turn from party, social message and social jutice into a monopoly by the gansta cult to keep feeding the jails, the culture were robbed years ago, no matter the color, that is not hip hop, i don´t see breakers, dj´s, wall writers, is pop rap is on top years ago overshadowing true hip hop.
@@zeitok8 all of those genres you mentioned has been dominated by white artists once blacks started making each genre popular. It has everything to do with race. The direction of hip hop was steered by white dollars to devalue the Black product, while promoting a white product. There is an agenda to take over the genre because it’s the most profitable right now.
@@zeitok8 Hendrix and Prince was assassinated by the way. I wonder who was behind that. Prince always battled for artists rights and was conscious about how these white music labels control their artists. Jimmy got wine poured down his throat by white men until he died. Race is the factor. All the black musical legends are dead except for Stevie and I’m pretty sure they’re screwing his blind ass. He criminally under paid
if you want to be a rapper and your white , follow mac miller as an example he wasn’t problematic, he respected the art and appreciated the history of the genre
There are so many black rappers today that doesn't respect the art and history though, they just want clout and fame.
Nothing is worse than the Eminem Jrs. Luckily there is only one of them that is popping RN
@ImInfinite MidWest his true Pupils are NF and Hopsin. His failed pupils are numerous
People still didnt respect Mac tho
I may be wrong but didn't mac steal a beat from Lord finesse?
I'm not saying Ems race didn't help, but he's not one of the goats because he's white.
@Prepare your ass because pablo in other words
his dick shrunk smaller but his balls got larger
Prepare your ass because pablo he’s one of the goats for his lyrics and musical content
As on Kamikaze, “If the only reason I blow is cuz I’m white though, why don’t every other white rapper sell what I sold?”
Leoven That’s just simply not true. I’m not saying he’s THE definitive G.O.A.T but to not acknowledge his as one of the goats is ridiculous.
Leoven ‘At his best he was mediocre’ Yeah, okay. You can have your opinion, even you’re in such a small..small minority.
Music is music. The Grammys are a joke we all know that so who cares. We live in an age where the internet will tell you what’s trash. Don’t divide people let us all enjoy music for what it is
You can't spell crap without rap
@@hellinterface6721 And you can't spell shit without hit. What's your point?
The Grammys might be a joke to you but they mean a lot to most musicians. So implying a single white rapper winning most of the Grammys for rap doesn't mean anything is like saying sitting in the front of the bus doesn't mean anything. After all, whether you sit in the front or the back, so long as you reach your destination, what does it matter?
Exactly
Why can’t you enjoy your music ? Does knowing that part of the reason rappers like Jack Harlow get as big as they do as quickly is because they are white and white dudes can see themselves in them.
It really does suck that weather you're black or white, you will most likely come across some form of race-based struggle based on the color of your skin. If you're black, you won't grow as quickly in your prime as a white rapper, but if you're white, it's harder to get an initial takeoff due to people generally looking down on unpopular white rappers. The Hip-hop scene would be so much better without a racial devide imo.
This video: some white rappers are corny and some aren't
Just like some black rappers
@@everychannel1025 true that, it all depends on personality, not colour
@Fuck you Youtoo then you don't get out much there are plenty great white rappers
@Fuck you Youtoo Aesop Rock, RA, El-P can all rap. They rap cause they can and have a lot of stuff they feel is important to talk about. Also they are some of the most talented people their profession has ever seen.
The fuck, rap is rap regardless of whether it has a specific meaning. The only difference is one means something different.
Iggy could've gotten a pass in the rap community if she could actually rap well.
CAUSE OF HER BODY MAYBE ....
She completely discarded her accent, she will always sound inauthentic to me. She’s the most famous australian rapper and she doesn’t sound australian. it was a missed opportunity imo.
@@reylime2991 You mean there are MORE...? 🥺
🤣🤣🤣
@@futuredimension3658 yeah if you go out of your way to look for them
@@reylime2991 Then there are NOT! 😂😂😂
“The ones that hate me the most look just like me” - jack harlow
THAT’S WHAT HE MEANT
I look nothing like him.
@@RandsomeHam then you probably don’t hate him the most
@@Smoke--- Somehow I hate him more than that. Like, if my hate for him were people, it'd be everyone, ever.
Seriously though, I'm just playin'. Hating another human being for making music you don't like is ridiculous
I dont look like him lol
Critiquing white rappers for not taking on "the culture" is like saying only unfathomably rich Austrians can perform classical music. It's just silly
as long as you like their music it doesnt matter what color their damn skin is.
Fr
Exactly
And as long as you are not racist too Cuh
@nothingperhaps
Why?
Music isn't locked to specific races.
If I was to say "black folks shouldn't be allowed to play death metal, or heavy metal (as examples) because it white folk who came up with those genres"..........everyone would be angry and cry racism........it works both ways.
Race shouldn't limit creativity, so there is no need for any kind of conversation about it.
@nothingperhaps
Nae bother fanny baz.
Man it never crossed my mind if the music that I listen to is made by a black, asian, or white person. If it sounds good, I'll dig it, and if it relates to my emotions and my experiences I'll listen even more to it and buy a psychical copy to have it on my shelf. That's my personal view. Privilege can be taken into account when you expand out and reach to bigger audience but when it comes to the actual music, it's just good or bad, no race and all that.
Facts. Why would I give a fuck what colour the artist was. The fact this video claims em got his career boosted by the colour of his skin shows how wilfully ignorant he is. Why else would Dre sign him with aftermath entertainment?
Damn that’s hella relatable. I just want good music
Best comment I’ve seen all day
rap was created by black people for black ppl. obviously anyone can rap and there are some amazing non black rappers but theres many valid reasons to prefer black rappers
White people got into Eminem because he's white ! His Rhyming is Wack !
I'm a black rapper. I love eminem and was listening to him before I ever knew what he looked like.
When it comes to white rapper album sales I can't hold the numbers against them. We are in America. America is majority white. It's the demographics. It doesn't really bother me.
Now what bothers me are white rappers that copy eminem because they think he's the end all be all.
Hip hop was always about being unique and having your own style. Guys like logic and NF use a similar style and it's a little insulting.
The battle rapper disaster is in the same boat copying ems style and thinking somehow that'll make him better than everyone else.
The first thing I judge from a white rapper is they style. If they're unique I love them if not a side eye them l.
Ps I love Yelawolf
huge W couldn't explain it better
what do you think of lil dicky?
Mac Miller???
Dizaster doesn't Copy eminem People gotta stop saying that
Although logic sometimes sounds like em he has his own goofy style that differs nf is just a straight copy of revival em
I guess NF is either underground or still stuck in the "Christian rap" category
That aside, definitely a good video that I'm glad I watched all the way through. It really sucks that ulterior motives undercut so many things in our culture
Yeah, Eminem should have been included with EL-P and Mac. He fought his way into hip hop and earned his spot too. Dude has tremendous respect for the culture.
Yea always been a big fan of Em. Can't say I'm not disappointed with the direction he's taken his career in the past decade or so.
Right! I think it all comes down to.. jealousy much..?
He’s become so corny since the early 2000’s it’s basically turned him into a joke to anyone who isn’t a Stan.
@@WillYazdani his trump diss was corny af too IMO
"hip-hop doesn't like Eminem anymore" was one of the most ignorant statements in the video. Critical reception =/= respect from the culture. He's clearly never heard Rakim, Kendrick, Royce, Jay-Z, etc. talk about Em.
Bruh I became so much less of an Eminem fan as i got older but you undermined tf outta him in this lmao
I was looking for this comment. I loved Eminem as any other rapper. I live in India btw.
Yeah, he might have sold twice as much because of being white (not the least because white people are 4-5 times more than black people in the USA), but if it wasn't for his talent he would have sold ZERO. Actually he never would have been noticed by Dre.
@Austin Ayers I said he noticed him because of his talent and not because of his color and you call me a racist for that?
@@toro5280 Anytime someone says "bEt YoU tHiNk BlAcK pEoPlE cAnT Be rAcIsT?!?" unprompted I just assume they have a bone to pick outside of the conversation. I agree with what you said. IMO Macklemore's grammy win was the biggest red flag to everyone (including Mack) that mainstream institutions work a good bit harder for white artists over black artists.
Nah man he's not even a top 30 rapper of all time
All latinos just reading this comment section with popcorn at hand 🤣🤣
Yea im hispanic and im sitting here like well i like dizzee rascal and stuff and i only heard of 2 eminem songs before this new album and i think the album is pretty fire
But what if we are white Mexicans?
@@alessandrotorres3537 I guess just stick to the one you feel more familiar with, but remember that there's a difference between race and nationality
Rubber Toes yeah here’s the problem for all white Latinos: we know we’re just Europeans stuck in Latin America
HipHipJorge ! I was raised the European way, and culturally I’m nowhere near Mexicans
Imagine telling somebody that they can't do specific things because of their skin color.
THAT'S THE WHOLE HISTORY OF AMERICA FOOL ! The White Man told the Blacks they couldn't do a lot of things !
They can but em has the highest sells he has more sell than literally every other rapper mainly one better than him he’s overated because white people blindly support him
@@brentenrice or maybe, just maybe, he's good at rapping
@@leonardomalagoli9758 NAHHH that's too logical man
That happens it happens still to this day and threw out history a just not normally toward white ppl but not every fucking thing needs god damn white ppl in it the forced self involvement is sickening
This debate only makes sense within America. When you talk about rap all over the world race is not even a relevant thing anymore.
Guille Muñoz
Exactly. I'm from Austria and the origin of rap plays a much less important role.
That's not necessarily true tho because Rap began in America. Just because it's worldwide now doesn't change its roots and core audience. 😆 I think the fact that this is even a thought is in a way a demonstration of the issue here.
@@maggiepaul5911 I think the problem is that America can't get it's shit together and thinks it can drag down the rest of the world into it's cultural problems.
fucking dumbass Mike your user name checks out but what you’re talking about is called flaiting and it’s not the same as rap. Not all rap is making fun of people and flaiting doesn’t have any specific beat, it’s making fun of someone with rhymes. If anything you could say diss tracks but still no beat or Rhythm to keep to. So rap, indeed was invented in the US
Rap only matters in America. European rappers sound like soft poseur cornballs. Hip hop belongs to America.
I agree, but I don't think you can put Em into the same category. He's actually about the culture and came from the culture when it first was growing. He respects the culture. Same with Chris Webby. Can't say the same for the others.
Agree...
All People a know love rap love em.
Black our White our whatever
Agreed. I don’t fuck with Em like that but I do think he’s part of the culture. Only Twitter kids are hating on him.
Exactly. The case that Eminem is a white rapper was totally wrong and he should've remarked that em is actually a rapper with culture behind him.
Being in a super-diverse high school when Em blew up he really crossed all the boundaries. White kids loved him, black kids loved him. There's a reason huge black rappers at the time wanted to work with him, something that had never really happened with a white rapper before: because he grew up in the culture and put in the work. But post-hiatus Eminem is another beast entirely. He might be better than ever on a technical level but his actual songs are mostly awful, and the endless fawning of his (almost-exclusively white these days) fanbase over every half-baked idea he shits out is extremely sus. The venn diagram of current Eminem superfans and Tom MacDonald fans would practically be a circle.
He himself respects the culture, but you know damn well his predominantly white male audience does not lmao
Music is NOT tied to skin color. If the Artist makes good music he is good, if not then not.
Thought i was the only one. The comment section is making me feel better about this video.
music isn't tied to skin colour, but music is tied to people's live experience, and the music industry is very much tied to skin colour.
Thank you.
@@ducklingwarrior entire point of the video went over your head
@@ducklingwarrior racism won't go away if we pretend it doesn't exist. You can keep pretending you're colorblind as much as you want, racism will still surround you.
so strange to watch this as an european. the distribution of white and black rappers is (at least in germany) totally contrary to america.
Americano be crazy
Would love if u could go more in depth with your comment. Im not from that part of the world so it would interesting to hear what you have to say
LEFT BOY
yeah, but over here everyone thinks of him as an american rapper
@@bryansodred Of corse but if i want to go more in depth i have to focus on germany, europe is just too big: Black people in america invented rap, but in germany noone invented anything. We're just copieng american rap so it does'nt really matter if youre black or not its just about the music. The streets in germany are strongly influenced by Turkish culture, so if you got a turkish background, thats probably a plus, but i dont really care... hope that was interesting, if enyone else from europe reads this, i would love to hear your opinion on that. Does it matter if youre black/white rapper or not?
Eminem doesn't discriminate
he will offend you whether you're black or white
Male or female or straight or gay
Clint Krazer Anims his music just sucks
@pvp bendy he literally just said his shit got cornier, that's a pretty good reason. And if you're gonna ask what corny is as a counter argument, don't bother, it's a concept word that people either understand or don't.
lilswaggin onbitches now I agreed with yo on the shit you said but that scram nerd thing gotta go
he doesn't make black music he doesnt make white music, he makes fight music for high school kids.
“If the only reason I blow is cuz I’m white though, why don’t every other white rapper sell what I sold?” - Em
YES THANKYOU, I WAS WAITING FOR SKMEONE TO DROP THIS
@H Flores even if he sold half what he has he would still be one of the most selling rapper ever
@H Flores but the next line is literally "but i can rap". Which he can. He is one of the most skilled lyrically and i think is undeniably the best lyrically out of the big names
@H Flores There will never be another rapper like him period. Em's his own thing when it comes to his niche, and no white rapper will reach his success because the stigma of all these race-baiting rappers who rap just to ride off the white rapper gimmick will stick with them, and none of them will accept the fact that they got a boost from white fans who want to see a white guy rapping on stage. They won't accept that those people exist. And if they do, and they accept that they do have an inherent advantage on startup, some still won't handle it well. The reason Em is still respected is because he acknowledged it but didn't feed it. unlike Tom McDonald and all the other shitheads who DO feed into it today. It's about the art, and the sooner someone stays true to that as a white guy, the sooner people will be cool with them. Otherwise they only get white fans who are too afraid to listen to people like Vince Staples or some of the older shit because It makes them uncomfortable based on their skin.
He literally quoted the same song but left that part out. Talk about selective hearing.
Great video. Can you do one like this on lil Mabu? I want to hear your thoughts
He makes shit music, but culturally I personally think he's worthy of respect. He seems to parody Hip-Hop culture a bit, but he has collaborations with very prominent artists in his city like Fivio. Yeat is the only artist to emerge recently that simultaneously doesn't make terrible music and clearly respects the culture. I think Yeat is respected because he has a distinct sound, but also has clear influences. He's also innovating on trap music a LOT and that's why he's so popular and no one has said anything about him being white at all.
Eminem's popularity isn't just because hes white(yes it played a part in his success after his acceptance in rap), but he stayed true to hip hop and has respect by every top rapper. The problem with eminem has nothing to do with with with how he treats hip hop as a white person. He is at the same time the most overhated and overated rapper by hip hop fans because he has a couple of corny lines, and some bad songs but at the same time he is still technically good at rapping and can make lyrical songs. Eminem doesn't really do the lyrical miracle thing(that was just a free style) but he is made fun of for "yelling into the microphone" and he is an old head. The dislike of eminem comes from the fact that people dont like his newer music specifically.
I'd say partially it is due to him being white, but as you said, it is also because he is a **good rapper overall**. There's no way a rapper is going to be successful just because he is white. He has (at least in his prime) good flow, good bars, deep topics, and a new and interesting take on hip hop. And the OG's respected him for that. Every single respected MC respects Eminem, since he revolutionized the rap game.
Your white
@@josephwilliams6993 Your beard is weird
Look at it now , so my skin color is the source of my benefit now? Means It was an obstacle to get past when he was trying to get discovered but became a reason for large main stream success once he hit radio. Idc what any ones skin color is or what you think mine is if you gonna respond . If I don’t look like you I don’t know your life if you don’t look like me you don’t know my shit either
@@jaykluesy bro Eminem had in a predominantly black genre of music.
People of color have to overcome everything in a predominantly Western white world.....
I'm sure he struggled and grind to make it where.
I struggle and grind to get half as far as my white counterparts. Just to meet the basic needs of my living
"Do you think Eminem's new album was ranked #1 on Metacritic because it deserved it or because of white America?"
Neither, it's because Metacritic is trash.
@UC9LH5GyXsMzjdPx4wJsgf7Qmtbmb was an 8/10 album, if you think it was garbage you're a moron
@@blakehentrup9343 you’re a degenerate if you think anything he’s dropped in the past decade is anything above a 2/10
Ems newest album wasn’t very good. I’d much rather listen to his first three
@@WyWid if you compare every album he releases to his first 3 then you will never be satisfied moron, he literally only has 2 bad albums and his last one was an 8/10 minimum
@@blakehentrup9343 I know how to read, that’s the second time you told someone that it was an 8/10 with reason. And I’m not comparing both eras of albums, I just genuinely didn’t like the new album as a whole. It just sounds like he’s trying way too hard, and it makes him sound cranky and angry
Alfo: white rappers are corny
Hopsin: allow me to introduce myself....again
@@Anonymousdeletedaccount... As much as I love his music....
Joyner Lucas: Allow me to introduce myself
But he corny
Not what we were talking about, we were talking about corny rappers
@@Anonymousdeletedaccount... I'm a big fan of Joyner but some of his stuff does get pretty corny. He still good tho
@@Anonymousdeletedaccount... y'all have reading comprehension problems and OP doesn't realize how he wrote what he did.. he did, by association, write about white rappers and corn.
How are you not seeing this??
Why are we making the assumption any black rappers care about the culture or where rap started? half of the big rappers now talk shit about tupac and biggie or have never heard of them, massive names say this stuff damn near weekly lmao.
Young people don't care about the past, it's nice when they do, guys like Eminem are historians for it, but it shouldn't matter how much they care about history if their songs are good
I disagree with Hip Hop not liking eninem anymore cause plenty of artists Kendrick Lamar, Lil Wayne, Royce, Joyner, Mos Def, Big Sean, etc have expressed their admiration for Em and his legacy. Now are you referring to the mumble rap community? Cause they hate him cause he hates them. I will admit Em has put out some mediocre projects but to say Hip Hop doesn’t like him is what I think is wrong
Even "mumble rappers" have expressed admiration for him. Lil Yachty said he was a legend. Juice WRLD loved him to death and made a long as hell free style to nothing but Eminem beats.
Hip hop doesn't like Eminem, hip hop respects Eminem. There's big difference between liking who he is now and respecting what he has done.
JoeRieper One of the biggest reasons he is respected by rappers is because he’s a wordsmith and because of his technical abilities. This has only improved throughout his career so I imagine they respect his current abilities too.
@Mike Actually, I hear the first three, MMLP2, and Kamikaze due to them being more rap centered, and having better writting lyrical construction and themes. Personally, I hate Relapse because of dumb lines, the accents, and subject matter being handled poorly.
@Mike the only exception in the past decade would have to be MMLP 2
Interesting video, basically highlights subconscious racism and gate keeping from both races towards each other
Honestly wasn't expecting that from the title of the video
Edit: Im pretty sure Eminem got popular for a few reasons:
1. His undeniable skill
2. Dre helped him out in getting into the game
3. He was so goddamn controversial and offensive and basically became what boomers thought Rock and Roll
was back in the day during Vietnam.
4. He had balls and also simultaneously had heart and depth
5. He's a homie and family orientated kind of guy, he would back any of his homie's tooth and nail and protected Hailie as best as he could for being as popular as he was
6. He's pretty relatable and all since poverty and financial struggle is pretty common in America, not to mention all the people from the harsh ghettos and hoods like Eminem came from as well.
Yeah but a lot of white people started listening to rap only because he was white. If he was black the white fanbase would be wayy smaller. Even he acknowledged this himself. Not saying he isn’t talented but there are other factors that led to his success.
@@kami_dred7319 both races profit off white and black members in the community, its unavoidable in anything thats predominately one race or gender
@@xvoidxhunter2129 i think there are ways this can benefit and hurt the community, but the point is that his skin color gave him an undeniable advantage because people are more interested to see a white lyrical rapper than black lyrical rapper. thats why rappers like lil xan blow up because he’s “interesting” because he’s white and does mumble rap.
Eminem is a lot like Redman tbh and during the mid 90s he was a bit like Nas/AZ. Since he's a Top 5 rapper ever and Top 100 artist ever it's logical that he'd sell a lot. But having a key to a demographic that's locked off for 95% of other rappers is why he sells significantly more. Him and Royce are similar in skill which even Em will say. But because of image and promotion their sales represent a much wider gap than their skill. Realistically he would not be as big if he were a different shade but he'd be much more respected which is unfortunate bc he did a lot for the game & culture that's ignored by people based on things he can't control. Overall it's important to appreciate him for his efforts but recognize how it was able to get to that point. I put him in the same tier as Nas and Jay-Z but people who will illogically put him above or below based on skin tone is annoying.
@@worldtree2027 royce is definitely better than em. but if you know royce's story than we cant run with "em was white so thats why he was bigger" ..royce turned down working with dre and sought out a different path, he made 1 million off his contract elsewhere. he also fucked up his image a lot in his younger days by being drunk and off the hinges and just somebody people did not want to work with and even started beefing with eminem and d12. after rehashing the friendship, it was kind of too late because rap changed, no lyrical rappers were really poppin, it turned to the party shit and the dumbass mumble age and skinny jeans.. and also Eminem jst has a horrible person to sign to, i mean look at the long list of people who were once signed to him, the prblem is thatt hes is still an artist and him and the label are going to put all their efforts into HIM not artists underneath him, he overshadows everybody and thats bad if youre trying to come up - theres no reason slaughterhouse should have failed - but the record company and eminem interjected themselves too much into the project, picking beats and singles etc, and also mismanaged them, didnt promote them right, etc hence the joe buddens problem with the label and eminem.
ultimately Royce is living a great life, his pen game iss incredible as i stated hes better than Eminem at this stage, no doubt...but he made poor decisions along the way, which is just due to being young and drinking and a company throwing a million dollars in your hands when you werent ready for that. he didnt have a team behind him like Eminem ALWAYS has be it the Outsidaz, D12, interscope, dre, paul rosenberg yada yada yada.. Royce was out there pretty much on his own - by his own doing,
Tldr: be like Earl:
"Peace to who came before me in the game
We givin' praise and glory to your name, kid
We cellophane your story so it stays"
Hasorane thank you for quoting the goat
mf doom and earl are super dope Between Villians is awesome
There's so many quotables on Some Rap Songs
I think using Eminem as an example of white privilege and the bias of white America is a terrible idea, even if you think he's overrated, everyone can agree that he is at least one of the best of all time and deserves the accolades
Using this same analogy, are black artists who rap about a street life that they never lived not “true rappers” because they appropriate the tropes of hip hop because they know it will help their sales?
Foundations Medical Informatics some of the arguments made in this video are really bad and inconsistent. You probably shouldn’t waste time thinking about the holes in his agenda here...youd find quite a few
no, because there's nothing inherently wrong with having a rap persona and crafting a narrative in your music; it's an art form like anything else. the issue isn't white rappers not experiencing the struggles a lot of their black contemporaries have faced, the issue is their blatant disrespect for the art form and their corny ass lines lmfao.
@@nohaybanda3061 what narrative could he possibly be trying to sell?? everything he said was reasonable
@@somber8575 "blatant disrespect for the art form"
This line explicitly states that it is an art. Guess what? Artists make their art in their own way. Just because their stylistic choices don't mesh with your likes, it doesn't mean they are disrespecting anything. To say that white rappers are disrespectful to an art that they participate in is foolish. By the way, it's quite silly to generalize "corny lines" to being white, and it's even more silly to act like black rappers don't have corny lines.
@@sin1sta did you watch the video? he makes a clear distinction between "white rappers" and rappers who are white. capitalizing on the trendy sound and aesthetics of rap while putting out soulless garbage for white college kids to eat up is absolutely disrespecting the art form. i'm not saying they should be stopped from making art in any way that they enjoy, but just as they're allowed to make shitty art i'm allowed to criticize it lmfao
and i know that white rappers aren't the only rappers that have corny lines -- i was specifically talking about the frat-rap that alfo talks about in the video. there are plenty of black rappers with corny lines. have you ever heard of hopsin? lmao
"Though I'm not the first king of controversy
I am the worst thing since Elvis Presley
To do black music so selfishly
And use it to get myself wealthy"
- Eminem, Without Me
That is an accurate transcript of part of the lyrics of that song. I assume you've posted it to make a point, so please, enlighten us.
@@EverybodyIsDeadDave another example of Eminem being self-critical enough to admit that he was more marketable because of his race other than the one given in the video
Joshua Trott I wasn’t expecting a thoughtful and precise answer, thank you for proving my assumptions incorrect 😄
Joshua Trott should’ve used white america tbh
This is it, Em acknowledges a big part of his success is because he is white and raps. I think at this point in his career he wants to be acknowledged as a master lyricists instead of 'successful because I'm white rapper'. No, for me personally I'm usually not bumping Eminem in my car but when it comes to hearing what word play and double and triple entendres he comes up with he is a true legend in that!
Authenticity huh? Ice Cube went to a prep school. Drake had a Bar Mitzvah. Travis Scott is from the suburbs. Nick Cannon's family is rich. Offset's parents are college professors.
And Eminem came from nothing. It's about artistic legitimacy. When white critics downplay white artists because they don't come from 'the streets' that in itself is a racist perspective.
@@caspian3755 No, it's he's not street. But if you want to be a Sensitive Sally and get offended by all means get offended.
@@caspian3755 No, you filthy liar, I did not "go after" his Jewishness. I pointed out the hypocrisy of giving a rapper acceptance and declaring them authentic because of their skin color. I wouldn't expect the likes of you to understand, you have to spend all your time trying to police everyone else to prop yourself up.
Well this escalated quickly
@@Mpetey123 You do know all jewish people have bar mitzvah's right? Not just rich ones?
I’m white and I love eminems music I grew up on it. But I also grew up on way more black rap. 2pac was one of the best rappers and always tried to make the world a better place with his music
DAS A AWHFLY HOT COFFEE POHT
Gunner Dohrenwend probably NoT
The problem with white rappers-
my brain:
they can't say the N word haha that's about it.
literally my exact thought
Yep
100% true
Okay nigga.
💯 That's it, everything else is hate
I think your being unfair to Eminem. Saying he isn’t himself and has no respect in the hip hop community is crazy when he still pulls good features on his albums.
Just because he pulls good features doesn't mean anything. Eminem is and probably will be for a while the best selling hip hop artist for a while. Getting an Eminem feature is just a smart business decision.
@@DragonsYuh i still disagree with the statement most of hip hop respect his rapping ability they just feel he's missing in the content department. But he already has a core fan base of all ethnicities and only 3 albums were truly "bad albums"
@@dahoodlum1253 which albums are the bad ones?
@@Randomperson-zt3il encore, relapse (although I liked it), and Revival (honorable mention to Shady XV which was a label group project not a solo album.) But out of like 11-12 projects 3 of which classics 5 of which award winning not bad
@@dahoodlum1253 What? He asked which albums are bad and you said an album you liked. That makes no sense
Chris Webby is a student of the game, some of his earlier music was fratty but he has always shown respect for hip hop and OGs. He’s worked with Bun B, Prodigy, Joel Ortiz, Method Man, etc.
“Eminem is not respected by the rapping community” that comment shows you haven’t seen the plethora of rappers talking about how much they do
exactly just laughed my ass off
He used to be respected. He's just corny af now.
PF Films idk Godzilla was 🔥
@@jimbobcooter5161 I respect your taste, I just disagree lmaoo.
@@128robertmarlowe you think he's nearly as respected now? He's really clownifying his career with his latest big moves. 👁️ It seem to me like the rap community is beginning to distance themselves from it and eminem is taking a pop like path.
I would have lil ugly mane at least alongside Aesop rock and slug for “rappers who are too underground for the discussion” segment, but overall an interesting video, it’s surprising people are still in denial that white hip hop artists get a leg up in the industry based on their race, like they are far more marketable for a white audience, which takes up a majority of America
I mean this was a pretty obvious video, if you were marketing in Asia, you'd probably use an Asian etc. This video basically just explains that more white people listen to rap now than before without actually coming to that conclusion.
Eyedea. Dude won several battles but caught backlash for growing and wanted to switch genres when fans loved him in rap. He's no longer with us but I'd say Eyedea was well respected and was a guy who respected the culture and stayed true to himself not riding a wave
+ Grimm Doza
Aesop is in a different league imo, not "better" necessarily, but so different it feels unjustified to call him a "white rapper". He's just...a poet.
Slug & eyedea on the wake up show.
Y'all ever heard of Benefit ?
I think its just sad that till this day, we're still separating artists in hip hop just because of the colour of their skin and arguing about whether a non-black rapper is good or not with their race instead of rapping skills.
Facts
TBH it is "Our" culture being genuine is important.
I agree..One color artwork is very boring..Pay attention
@ Antoine Levine
Keep the vultures out no matter what race.
My opinion on the matter is that white rapper would not make it in the music industry if they did not appeal to both white and black communities. If anything rap music was more accepting to white artist in comparison with black artists in country music. I think for those saying that white rappers shouldn’t of a black dominated music industry are really in the minority on that opinion.
As a white guy who grew up in the suburbs but listened to hip-hop and R&B and hard rock & metal I absolutely agree with you here. I'm almost 40 so rap was very lyrical when I was a kid. Wu tang, cypress Hill, Nas ect. I will never forget when me and my best friend saw the slim shady video on MTV in the middle of the night. We both laughed and called it crap and we were sure Em would be a one hit wonder. Man were we wrong. I've come to really like some of Ems stuff but maybe 20 percent? I do however like some "clones" like Hopson and NF. I don't like mumble rap but hey that's because I'm old.
You should try looking up Eminem's first song, idk which Slim Shady song you watched but I feel you should know he didn't start there and just suddenly blew up cause he was white, he was writing music way before he touched any kind of succes and he got pretty good at it, iirc he only started blowing up when he got taken under Dr. Dre and trained by him to write lyrics that hit harder. If you've already seen his first song then you can feel free to ignore this comment
12:37 I think you missed the point of the video a little. You also don't seem like you look deep into eminem and just graze his stuff here and there. I love NF too tho.
@@shinobix4925 Infinite 🙌🏼
I think the people that dont like mumble rap dont like it because they come at it from the perspective of what rap used to be, but nowadays rap has become a vibe, it doesnt matter what youre saying as long as it sounds good
Whenever someone mentions mumble rap, it's always without fail a white person.
I love that logic got put in with the white rappers. This is perfect.
Edit: everyone commenting below not understanding the joke and explaining the obvious.
😂😂🤦♂️🤦♂️
Bruhhh
Cuz he’s a white rapper maybe?
He is mixed but because he has white skin, he for all intents and purposes, he’s white.
His dad was black and mom was white, Edit - oh, never mind, that’s funny.
If it’s good rap, I listen to it. No matter what is the color of the skin.
facts
I'm 40+ and I come from a time before rap ... Music was better then ... because is takes a skill to make music ... ANYBODY can talk shit if you give them some money ... money for nothing ... There is not a whole heck of alot of "GOOD" rap music in America. . . and I doubt your judgement on what qualifies.
@@MisterRickSinister ok boomer
@@bassty2884 I am a Gen Xer my friend ... I couldnt vote til 93.
@@MisterRickSinister This comment is about your mindset that "music was better then", not actual time you were born.