Making A Murderer's Directors: Critics 'Have Missed The Whole Point Of The Show' | Grazia UK
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- Опубликовано: 14 июн 2024
- Grazia meets Making A Murderer’s film-making duo, Laura Ricciardi and Moira Demos, to learn more about what’s in store for season two of the hit Netflix show.
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THIS IS NOT ENTERTAINMENT, THIS IS A MAN'S LIFE.
I thought the same thing watching this. There is a weird detachment by both of these 'film makers'. They don't seem to care qhether he is innocent or guilty, they only seem to care about making money off of this man's hardships.
@@j.s.8780 The questions posed by the interviewer led the conversation and the answers. They are both very careful and thoughtful about their opinions about this case and the profound experience it has been for both of them. Not only are both Laura and Moira incredibly talented, they are very empathetic souls. It was the reason they sought to do this documentary in the first place.
Why would the killer wipe the Rav 4 clean of fingerprints, but leave multiple visible blood smears?
Or remove all blood from his home and garage (somehow) but not wipe down the vehicle used to transport the body. Or not destroy the car when he lives on a salvage yard and had several days between her disappearance and his property being searched
I've found it quite curious that police claim he's dumb enough to leave a barely disguised RAV4 in a junkyard equipped with a crusher with a few curiously located blood smears inside yet is a forensic genius to leave no fingerprints in the vehicle or traces of Halbach's blood inside his home or garage, where they claimed some sort of medieval butchering of a murder occurred. If he was guilty, Dexter would marvel at his ability to conceal evidence in his home and garage, an even more remarkable feat for a man with an IQ around 70.
@@AKSBSU Right? In order to accept the state's version you have to accept a very contradictory view of Avery. This is not simply a murderer hiding behind a facade of charm. Hes clearly not a very intelligent or hygienic man. So the crime as presented completely contradicts the most basic facts about him.
People get caught up in the amount of evidence pointing towards his guilt while overlooking just how incredibly sketchy all of it is.
@ToyFiend
No one suggested that fingerprints had to be "wiped clean". Guess you never heard of rubber gloves. The kind that can get cut with a knife on the finger.
@@ellengregory8002 The cut on Averys finger was not a fresh wound. The police are so lucky he managed to cut that exact same wound while stabbing Halbach
Thank you for the interview, very interesting and informative. I'm a bit disappointed with some aspects of season 2, but I can honestly say that I have never been so affected by a documentary as I was by season 1. We've obviously had issues with dodgy policing here in the UK, but it's unbelievable what happened in this case, and that it is undoubtedly going on in many places where a documentary team doesn't happen to be available.
What are you upset about....
I thought season 2 was the right pace, had lots of informative rebuttals on Zellners part. Also gave insight on the protocols of the America justice system good or bad.
I thought Season 2 was just as good as Season 1. Very informative. And watching that lawyer work is fascinating. She's brilliant.
"Being unbiased wasn't really a concern of ours."
I thought Season 2 was better than Season 1. Knowing the story and then watching Kathleen Zellner work was fascinating! She's brilliant! Highly entertaining!
Saying her throat was cut is a fairy tale. There was no blood in the house. Even though the documentary is entertaining I believe Steven Avery was framed. @laughinggravy2
I don't have to read it again. The newphew's confessions was coerced. It was ridiculous what those cops did from the start. If they cut her throat there would have been blood in the bedroom. It never happened. @laughinggravy2
I watched the confession. I can make my own opinions. @laughinggravy2
You must be that creepy brother. @laughinggravy2
How and Why would you let a young girl record you about what she calls a show? It was a fucking good DOCUMENTARY! Also more to the point when will you start Part 3 of the most important part 3 of the documentary when Steven & Brendan gets released?
Phenomenal documentary!
A better interviewer would have followed up to ask what it was the creators felt the critics missed in season 1.
I fully understand that the HolBrock family would love peace. But i would also hope that they would want the RIGHT murderer in jail, and not someone who was easy to prosecute. I can't judge them, I know they have dealt a horrible loss. Still, for me, the only peace to find is with a correct conviction. In no way would i want to convict anyone who was innocent. That just spreads the pain around to more innocents.
There is overwhelming evidence to question the conviction of both Avery an Dassey. Its disturbing that Kratz and Colburn et el are so hell bent on revenge that they ignore evidence. There are so many good cops, its really diappoionting and demeaning to all police departments for this type of obvious incompetence and lack of integrity to be given the day of light.
I appreciate the Halbach family's situation, but they are so close-minded it really is disgusting. They "know" Stephen did it, and they effectively block themselves from entertaining any ideas that conflict with that
@@FuckFascistRUclips He did do it though.
@@leemcqueen500 And you know this how?
Scott G.
You could not possibly know what they are feeling or thinking in their hearts, But even IF there were truth in your assumptions, a normal decent human being knows that it's not his place to publicly (and apparently proudly) question and criticize the feelings of the family members if a young woman whose life was so viciously and unfairly ended. It's one thing to consider all sides, it's another to do what you and others are doing to this innocent grieving family. Shame on you.
@@ellengregory8002 Yes, shame on me. I'm actually concerned with who the real killer is, and shame on me. I don't feel like the Halbach family is thinking objectively here, so shame on me.
Lmao shame me all you want. You and the Halbach family can both go fuck yourselves ✌😎🖕
Just to cite one significant fact (among many of course) that made an impression on me: the Rav 4 was never searched for fingerprints! When we all know -hell any kid can tell you- that is the main procedure in any crime scene. The infamous Kratz in a clip when asked about this offers a very vague answers. Of course, they would not have find any Avery's fingerprints, and maybe Bobby Dassey's ones. And the unbelievable amout of DNA found on the hood latch, really?
Many docs have made a lasting impression on me, about the Holocaust, Rwanda, the Apartheid, Vietnam just to name a few, but this one, Making a Murderer, is happening RIGHT NOW. The immense suffering is actual, Brendan's, Stephen's, their families; it is maybe not much compared to famous History massacres, but we happen to see and feel it up close. And the world is watching.
And the hypocrisy of Kratz who keep saying all he wants is to see an end to the suffering of the Halback family. When deep down he wants to protect himself and his accomplices, Fassbender, Colborn, the sheriff and highers up who threatened the Coroner from doing her job on the burning pit, etc. etc.
Katherine Zellner is doing an heroic job.
It makes me sick every time he about the suffering of the Halback family. He doesn't care about them at all.
Good point in regards to the finger prints inside the car. I never thought about that and now thats more doubt in the case. I was stuck on one dna of Teresa inside the trailer and garage. How can you stab someone in the stomach and slit thwir throat yet no evidence or trace of blood found inside trailer. Also shot twice inaide the garage yet no evidence of blood or Teresa inside the garage. That's more than enough to prove there is doubt
@@MrTonyProductionz I had the brillant idea of looking up Kathleen Zellner's facebook page (I'm not into Facebook stuff usually) and she says that the RAV4 was wiped clean by the murderer. So it was searched for fingerprints. Sorry. But like I said in a Katz clip the journalist asked if the RAV4 had been dusted ,or why it had not been dusted, and Katz didn't know what to say. Hence my involuntary misinformation.
The next step is an "appellate brief" by K.Z. on December 20.
@@grodard9
I still find it odd that there are no fingerprints insode the car yet there is S.A. blood meaning he wasn't wearing gloves so there has to be finger prints. Am I missing something or not seeing anythimg clearly? Regardless the lack of DNA inside trailer and garage proves more than enough doubt in the case and should be focused on more. Also I looked into it and in September 2018 the case was denied some sort of trial.
I mean "twitter" not "facebook". (I'm really not into those things)
This is a good interview.
Yes they have purposely. You ladies did an awesome job. God sent, if not for your dedication and brilliant work these men would not even have a spark of hope. Love you both.
How does nobody suspect the cops did it? The only person who could of had her key was the killer. Hence the cops are suspected of planting it, why are they not being accused? The amount of money the state was goin to have to give to steve for his first case he was wrongfully convicted of would of led to alot of cops losing there jobs! They were casing steve, they saw the victim come and go from his property and learned her routine. They flagged her down in civilian clothes and killed her off of cuss road behind steves property where the cadaver dogs first picked up a scent. Than planted everything they needed to convict steve of the crime!
Signature Views the craziest part is the cops had 36 MILLION reasons to set SA up. The states insurance said they were not liable for SA being locked up, so SA needed to go after the police! Which gives each of them 36 MILLION reasons to set SA up.
That was a spare key with none of the victims dna how's that possible? Not to mention they didn't find the key for months then it just pops up...
It was actually days not months HOWEVER it was clearly PLANTED. That key was shining like beacon in clear view. You can't tell me they didn't see before it in the DAYS they searched his trailer. Unbelievable. @@angelc2343
I love Moria demos entire demeanor
She is such an interesting person. So talented and insightful. Both women are a tour de force.
Grazia! interviewer and interviewees looking in the same direction - 180 degree rule don't apply?
One question that keeps sort of haunting me (after watching both seasons and a lot of additional videos here on yt) is: Why does it seem that the Halbach family has no doubts at all and just seem to accept everything that is fed to them? They (especially the brother) seem so convinced Brendan and Steven did it and are hell bent on keeping them in prison. But if there is so much doubt risen since day one (that theres now two seasons of documentair on it!), why aren’t they interested in further research and evidence to get to know the absolute truth? Regardless of who might have done it.
It seems like they just blindly believe everything the prosecutor tells them. In some sort of tunnel vision. If it were my family i would want to know the absolute truth. And if there is any doubt risen i would want to get to the bottom of it... I would feel totally mislead by the prosecuters and what they did (and didnt do) specially that Ken Kratz, they are supposed to represent the victim... I think the prosecutors let the family down and put politics and their own agenda above the interest of the victim and her family. Disgusting really...
I think a lot of is just belief in the system and wanting to move on. Not "move on" from Teresa but to get past the talk of her death. I doubt they watched the doc at all (cant blame them) and probably ignore anything raised to doubt Avery or Dasseys guilt
Eloy Zoet if you follow the entire case you will see that the rape victim in his first trial was convinced that SA was the rapist. People who have traumatic experiences are angry and want resolution. They are not thinking rational.
James Crane ofc I did see that. That was also by being fed wrong information and a dodgy sketch. So if I understand correctly, what you’re saying in relation to the Halbach family is that they are just angry and want resolution, no matter if they can be sure its the right guy? I can imagine this happening in the first years after the murder but in the end it seems to me that as a family, you would want to know for sure. There was never proper forensic research done at the time. Just scooped up the remains and threw them in a box... I think Kathleen Zelner is properly investigating every detail, what should have been done from the beginning.
@@DjEloy Eloy Zoet Once they invested all that emotion they might find it difficult to change their mind.
Look at KK . He is so dug in that he is accusing some of the leading specialists in the world that Zellner hired as using junk science. Don't you think he would back off. He is a small town prosecutor. ?
In regard to the bones what got me was the interview with the coroner saying she was threatened with arrest if she came on the property. That fact never came up before along with the child porn hidden away.
Yes maybe that’s it, that they are so far invested its impossible to see things from any other perspective. Same goes indeed for KK. He just can’t keep away from the case and makes a total fool out of himself...
I must have missed the point too. When I watched the documentary, I had thought that is was a story about the negative impacts on a population effected by widespread mental retardation. Seriously. A large portion of the people in that series are challenged and low on the spectrum of intelligence.
There was so much deceptive editing in making a murder. These 2 tricked a lot of people into supporting a real pos in SA.
Awesome work! Thanks
True, if one doesn't agree with their skewed lies and alleged indictment of the American justice system, one MUST BE either evil or stupid. Obviously their outlook is very fair and open...agree or be judged evil/stupid.
If you can explain the wood on the .22 bullet I will consider him guilty.
You can tell they are from Wisconsin from how they say it wesconsin lol yes we motive that here hehe
...the critics have NO idea what he or she is talking about! This is the BEST documentary I have ever seen and MORE importantly shedding the camera light on corruption within the government system and a family totally ripped apart this is what the government is good for and this takes it all!!!
my heart breaks for the family, the parents of Steve Avery and Brendon Dassey. I cannot imagine their suffering.
...this was a volcano getting ready to errupt...and it did! And we can believe that BEFORE these events actually EVER happened there were things going BEHIND the scenes to brings things to THIS!!! Mark this word! And my prayer is that EVERY one involved IS shamed beyond the travesty of what THIS is! Jesus hung our dirty laundry on the cross...and for ANY one to think-to-believe that he OR she is ABOVE the law...is on the WRONG mountain!!!
...and anyone insulting someone else`s intelligence has just shown how un intelligent he OR she actually IS!!! We are ALL every day people...unless we think-to-believe we ARE better than someone else and WE are so NOT!!! The Avery`s were made into a target BEFORE any of these events started playing itself OUT and I thank God...that the camera`s came IN! Now...you fools can be SHOWN the fools you want to play...the acting can be SEEN through by those who have the eyes to SEE and the ears to HEAR! And where confusion and chaos exists...you can think-to-believe satan is in the midst of it and these people are his puppets and he is the ventriloquist! O`that people would believe in this...mans heart is continuously wicked and what we see here is the epitome of it! Gross evil!
You need to watch more documentaries then of you truly believe that. I'm not even just trying to bash them but this wasn't even close to some of the best documentaries made
...most people only have use of their natural eyes and ears...we need to be able to SEE and HEAR past all of that...there is a truth of ALL things that can be known and it does not come by us...
I think it is important to follow the new facts and evidence as they are being discovered. It is easy to jump to conclusions. I think Zellner has now rattled enough cages in Manitowoc that something or someone will shake loose and we will get more info.
James Crane Amen. A lot of people still pounding the “guilty” hammer haven’t really looked at Zellner’s findings. I’ve brought them up a few times to guilters. Lots of blank stares. Lol
@@t.l.1610 that is because they have invested too much emotion in what they think happened. We do not know all the details of what really happened and who did what to whom. What we do know is what didn't happen.
James Crane Sigh, Yep precisely. Don’t know if we’ll ever have all the answers. Stuff like Stuart James really bothers me though. People now assailing his professional reputation bc of involvement in this case. Ridiculous.
This denial shit bothers me badly bc I tend to be one of those truth seeking people. One of my close friends was recently murdered ... turns out by another close friend. We had to really open our eyes - not denying evidence. Even while others were saying, “It couldn’t be!” That’s looking for the truth. 😓
@@t.l.1610 agreed sometimes the truth is painful
Laura: “You know you know you know you know you know you know you know you know...”
Moira: “You know you know you know you know you know you know you know you know...”
Lol. Americans have a terrible habit you know.
Green Ladybug I wonder if the beatles got this from America
TheFilthyLiam - Ugh, yes, definitely an American thing. Many of us do that ... similar to the old “umm” as a space filler.
*Hanging head in shame (you know 😉).
What I find even more annoying is the vocal fry that so many young American women use, with Laura Nirider being a good example.
@@prpwnage9296 Like proper slack of those lads. And they like, all got American Judy's you know? 😂
Will there be a season 3??? Ive followed this case from the start and have always believed that SA&BD are innocent. And SA was frame!
This documentary has shown that Steve Avery is clearly innocent and was stitched up. The frightening part is that the final say in all this is not the Federal Circuit Court but the State. And it's the State who do not want to pay out $37M from the first miscarriage of justice and definitely scared of what they will have to pay for this second case. Also if they agree that he is innocent then they will have to agree that the police planted evidence and committed criminal acts and open up a whole can of worms for them. They are playing delaying tactics in the hope that Steve Avery will die in prison and they are all off the hook. As long as the State have the final say there is very little hope for Steve and Brendon. You would think Teressa's family would want the real murders in jail not innocent people.
The thing is, in the case of evidence tampering and false conviction, the insurance company would never pay for these cops wrong doings. Anyone implicated in his first false conviction would be on the hook for 36million, personally. If that doesn't make it even more damning that they tried to pull it off a second time, I don't know what does.
I’m so glad that you two made this movie because it shows how there’s no such thing is the truth and I hope every cop and every judge that was sucked in by lies.. and God any person with a brain can figure this out.. it was all about money and how cops lie and how was Brandon’s interview not thrown out of court when they lied when his mother wasn’t allowed to be in there.. really?? Does the law allow policemen to lie and get away with it.. its sad because they didn’t do this for Teresa.. they used her as a pone.. and never got the answer who killed her.. I hope Stevens new attorney gets the real truth and brings down all the crooks.. and maybe they will go to prison.. and if I was Brandon and Steven they wouldn’t have enough money to have water in the town to pay me for pain and suffering
Everyone should listen to prosecutor Michael Griesbach's interviews on the case, and I even found his book Indefensible as an audiobook on youtube. You'll get actual facts about the case. It puts into perspective the conspiracy piece these two did. The series is deliberately misleading, including spliced footage from the trial to make deputy Colburn look bad. All this for some fame and netflix money. At the expense of the actual victim's memory, the feelings of those who loved her and the reputations of the investigators... The series is not just biased, it's deliberately misleading. I was of this opinion long before hearing what Griesbach had to say, but the book showed me the extent of the deception in making a murderer. Dispicable really. I don't know how these two sleep at night. I wish someone would sue them, or at least really call them out publically on their BS.
I assume that Grazia UK is a media outlet and that whoever produced this interview ought to have taken some media training so there is absolutely no excuse for the fundamentally wrong setup. I'm sure the filmmakers being interviewed were just too polite to point out that you never have interviewer and interviewee facing the same direction. Given the shots, you could probably have got away with flipping the interviewer so that they appeared to be facing each other. Very amateurish and I didn't really feel that I learned anything new.
It's too bad they weren't more honest with this documentary (part 1 and 2).
Things they avoided:
- The allegation of rape by one of Lori's friends in 1983.
- The fact the DA was going to charge Steven with the rape of his niece at the time he was arrested for murder. His niece was 16 at the time she was raped which occurred not long after he was released from prison. He knew he was going back to prison, right around the time Teresa was murdered.
- That Steven was serving 6 years for running Sandra Morris off the road and threatening to kill her (at the same time he was serving time for the rape of Penny Beerntsen).
- That Steven was claiming to the press that the police were planting evidence against him before he was officially a suspect.
- That despite numerous witnesses confirming Steven had a bonfire that evening, he completely denied it for two weeks. He eventually admitted to having a bonfire around November 18th.
- That Steven submitted two contradictory affidavits within months of each other regarding the second blocked call to Teresa.
- That the blood vial accusation by Buting was resolved at trial.
- That Colburn and Lenk were NOT targets of the civil lawsuit. They actually submitted depositions that were being used to strengthen Avery's case for his lawsuit.
There is no motive for anyone to 'frame him'. The $36 million suit would have actually paid out, realistically, $5 million or so and the county was insured for that.
Here's an interesting quote from his interview with the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel..
“Sometimes, I feel like it’s easier in there (prison), some days, just put me back there, get it all over with.”
This would have been around the time he raped his 16 year old niece, and 1½ years before Teresa was murdered.
JCTiggs There’s a LOT of misinformation and misrepresentation in your post - I suggest you do more research and stop perpetuating myths. Start with the bonfire that never happened on that night and is already documented not to have occurred. Your 18th November is laughable, the fire that never happened was alleged on the 31st October. There is NO evidence of this rape of his niece you speak of, please provide concrete evidence, as it was her PARENTS who were concerned about their relationship and the girl and Avery were BOTH interviewed by law enforcement officers at the time and they found the parents concerns UNFOUNDED. I could go on and completely obliterate your list out the water.
@@Kyomiibrown Wait, you actually think there wasn't a bonfire the day Teresa was on the property? Not sure why you believe that, is this another conspiracy theory? Steven admits he had a bonfire that night. So did his attorneys, so did Brendan's attorney (Nirider), so did numerous witnesses. They all said there was a bonfire Oct 31, 2005 no one is disputing that.
Avery's account of the fire matched the reports by 9 other people who saw the bonfire on Halloween. However, it is interesting that both Steven and Brendan lied about the bonfire in their initial interviews. This was before bones were found in the pit, so there should have been no reason to distance themselves from being together at the fire. After having told LE he hadn't had any fires for weeks, Steven finally agreed with Barb on 11/18 about the Halloween bonfire and said "Well, then Brendan was with me."
There's a lot of detailed info about the fire, compiled in this thread...
www.reddit.com/r/StevenAveryIsGuilty/comments/83ziq7/fire_facts/
I encourage others to read some of the other info that's collected there too, a lot of it wasn't even mentioned in the MaM docuseries. link..
www.reddit.com/r/StevenAveryIsGuilty/wiki/evidence
JCTiggs Please catch up with the evidence Zellner has uncovered and you will see the fire did not occur on the night.
@@Kyomiibrown Interesting, we must have missed that. So now it seems Steven and Brendan are lying about the bonfire when they said it was on Oct 31st? That's the date on their sworn affidavits and that's also the date their lawyers claim as well. That also means all of the people who witnessed the bonfire on October 31st are lying, because that's the date on their sworn affidavits as well. 🙄
"There is no motive for anyone to 'frame him'. The $36 million suit would have actually paid out, realistically, $5 million or so and the county was insured for that."
Not true. It is clearly stated in the documentary that the insurance companies had told the police they were not covered for this and the payout would be made by them as people... When you get one thing wrong the rest of the assumptions/claims you make have to be called into question.
That's part of the point of the entire series. Mistakes have obviously been made casting doubt over the whole process. How can justice even hope to be carried out if the truth is altered in anyway?