Nice video mate, Aussie here, can’t get enough of how amazing the EMD 16-645E3 engine sounds. Luckily for me locally there is one type of locomotives called the Australian National ALF class which instead has the EMD 16-645E3C engine when all 8 locomotives were rebuilt in 1994 after being originally built in 1976-77. Hopefully I can come to the states one day and see these wonderful SD-40’s rumbling away, take care 👍
Wow when you said stall I thought you meant due to wheel slip or not enough power on the train but i've never seen a prime mover just stall. Wonder what happened. Excellent video, though. No diesel ever made a better mechanical noise than the SD40-2. That low frequency rumble is music to my ears. Brings back my childhood when we used to live down the street from some old MKT lines and they used to run GP's and SD's around there during the 80's.
Likewise, takes me back to living in Bakersfield in 1990 as a kid and hearing and feeling the Southern Pacific trains rumble past our school and neighbourhood.
For the note, no train here stalled. Engine shutdown is all that occurred here. I've had that happen many times. Also, that SD70 isn't shutdown. Isolated, merely. However, this a neat video!
Pardon my ignorance. So the SD 40-2 literally the engine cut out for a multitude of reasons Governor electrical fuse overheat low oil what have you and the SD 70 engine is simply idling but isolated and not providing power to the train is that correct?
@@acts2211 that's how railroads work lol. Depending on the train and urgency of moving the freight. Most railroads will basically run the bare minimum for power on low priority trains to save fuel. Or have knotch restrictions. Here in canada it's usually about .6 hpt. Intermodal trains is what you want to be on. 1.2 1 3 hpt. Fricken rockets on the main
I was an engineer for 36 years for various railroads, 12 freight, 24 with AMT. I worked for a short time out of Denver to Pueblo,CO. on the Joint Line. I worked for ATSF but most of the trains we manned were the BN trains, mainly coal train, about 15,000 tons on average. Operated many, many SD40-2's. The Santa Fe one's weighed in at about 390,000 lbs., not to bad. The SP SD40's we would get in pool service weighed in at about 410,000 lbs. The BN SD40-2's in coal service weighed in at about 421,000lbs.! Six of those was good pay for us engineers, and there was no stalling. Power to weight ratio means a lot.
Robert Gift auto shut down most likely. On the NS our older EMD power doesn't like to start back up on its on own after auto shutting down. CSX probably has the same issue.
There's more than 3 yards in the plant. They have a yard for load out, 2 yards for wet rock, a sulfur yard, and loaded car yard in the back. They also have an in house cleaning track. They do not use ammonia cars at this facility.
what kind of hoppers are those? they look like old coal hoppers,with extended metal added to them and a grain hopper top added to the top of each car.is that right or am i wrong?
I can tell from the started the SD70MAC wasn't online, Because the Jumping cable was not connected between the units. If I remember correctly the CSX SD40-2's in some series have a over heat fuse of some kind so if the traction motors are to hot and the unit is sitting it will do one of two things- 1 shut the engine down or 2 the engine reversing motor inside the cab will stay in neutral. It's been a few years from my last update look at the locomotives of CSX.
This train is empty thus is relatively light, thus is light enough that a single locomotive can pull 71 cars. Also, the gradient is very minimal (if any) in that area which helps as well.
What is carried in those cars? They look like hoppers with hatches on top, but how do they unload them? I don't see any gates or hatches on the bottom.
I know they do that with coal and stuff...but those are open hoppers. These look like covered hoppers. They must be able to take the top off to unload.
These carry dry rock to the port of Tampa. Its the only place in the world that you will see these in action, along one freight line, unless they move for repairs or scrap.
Yeah our Metra F40PH-3's do that too sometimes. You'll be walking through the coaches cutting tickets and then all of the sudden the lights and A/C go out at 70 MPH. LOL
Where is this located? Florida? What is Ridegwood? A mineral processing plant of some kind? It's nice to see trains/cars not spay painted for a change. Thanks for sharing.
Not the brightest thing in the world to do, as a railfan. The speed limit sign clearly said 55 and there you were doing 20 just so you can follow a train. I can clearly hear every single car passing you up. You are lucky you didn't get rear ended or cause a pileup.
It wasn't nearly as bad as you state. Where I was doing 25 was the 45 mph zone and I sped up once I hit the 55 coming out of town, trust me I live here, I know where its safe to run like that. Oh and the traffic wasn't going nearly as fast as you hint. Plus the highway was wide open. There wasn't any risk of a pileup or accident of any sort.
SeaboardRailfanner You passed a 55 sign at 20-25 mph. It doesn't sound like traffic is heavy but there is a constant stream of cars coming by you. You're a moving roadblock at less than half the speed limit: that is not safe and not much less dangerous than just parking your car in the highway. Please do not do it.
soxlosenow an ignorant comment from someone who can't see the road and has no idea of the traffic in my area. I rest my case. If you don't like my videos, feel free to leave.
is the shut down to prevent the engine from blowing, sorry i just stumbled onto this video, and dont know much about trains lol, the information you guys give is great and easy to understand too, thanks, q:)
@@firefox5926 In the steam era, boxcars equipped with grain loading doors were used. Conventional boxcars equipped with temporary paper door inserts (like Signode) were also used.
If the sd40 had stalled on me, I might have connected the jumper cable. Furthermore, I then might have fired up the SD70 for mor power. Just to be on the safe side and prevent future stalls
1. Are all SD40s turbocharged? 2. What boost PSI do they run? Does the engineer have a boost gauge (aka manifold pressure) he watches in the cab? 3. It appears the lead unit SD40-2 has added 2 white air conditioning units on the roof. What would prompt that? Does that mean all SD40s without the white boxes doesn't have any AC at all?
+Syclone0044 Yes, all SD40 series units are turbocharged. The turbo isn't exactly what you're used to - these engines are uniflow two stroke diesels and as such, require charged air to run. On the turbocharged EMDs, this is accomplished by connecting the compressor shaft on the turbo, through an overrun clutch, to the camshaft gears by a 12:1 step-up - i.e. the compressor shaft, when under drive from the engine, is turning at 12x the rotation speed of the engine. Once the exhaust has enough velocity to drive the turbo direct, the unit decouples from the engine drive and freewheels - powered by the exhaust. The extra boost varies due to engine load. There is no boost/manifold pressure gauge. The turbo compressor outputs into airboxes located on each bank. The airbox contains the charged air necessary for the engine to run, as a uniflow two stroke engine cannot aspirate directly on its own. The airboxes supply charged air to air ports at the bottom of each cylinder bore, uncovered by the piston in the downstroke. The exhaust is expelled through the cylinder heads via 4 standard poppet valves, driven by overhead camshafts, one on each bank. The bottom to top scavenging is referred to as 'uniflow'. These units, the first of which was built in 1966 (as an SD40), and 1972 (as an SD40-2), do not have air conditioning from the factory. That practice did not begin until the late 1980s with the proliferation of the comfort cab (widenose).
i work on boats and we use 4 16 645 emds to provide power to electric drive motors.... when you get 4 of those turbos up off the clutches at the same time the noise is incredibly loud. they are probably my favorite diesels to work on in the fleet (other than our detroit 60 generators) but sadly due to epa regs the classic emd is going away for us. no more new builds using emd 2 stroke engines :( the new tier 4 engines are basically redesigned cats...
Normally a train cannot stall unless an engine is defective ! The tractive power should be calculated taking into account the weight of the train and the gradients. The calculation was therefore mistaken.
I'm starting to learn about this. Educate me please. So what is the reason for another loco if its not helping pull the load? I would figure its a waste of fuel having only one doing the work of pulling a dead weight loco plus the train load.
+Itto i live in Nz and here they hook up 2 locos at most sometimes more depending on what they are towing. but yea usually the second loco does thr work cause u hear it but the first does the controlling but yea to answet 100% i cant ill ask and get back to ya
+Genki Itto additional locomotives *are* used to provide additional power. the is the whole purpose of MU in this case, they were hauling empties so I am sure the MAC was shut down to save fuel. The MAC will be used when they have to pull the loaded cars
Plus the curve radius ! Here we have 71 cars @ 90 metric tons, i.e. 6300 metric tons for a tractive power of 6000 hp... There is no chance that this train can get over the faintest gradient !
Empty cars! But let's assume that there's 6300t, SD40-2 alone can pull it, trust me, and the 8011 did not exeed notch 3 and was at 20mph, at notch 8 it would go 60mph! There's around 2000t and less with 71 car ×30t (and less when empty), okay with addition of SD70MAC 2200t max!
I see what youre saying but it doesnt work that way. Each locomotive only generates enough amps to power itself. The jumper cables connected between locomotives when running together sends the same commands from the lead unit. in this case the other locomotive is just dead weight. perhaps it was bad ordered and marked not to operate or something happened to it earlier in the trip and had to be shut down hence the sd40 having to do the work
Thank you, KingsTiger222 What about "locomotives" which have no cab or engine? (I forget what they are called.) "SLUGS" ? Thought their traction motors were run from power from the lead locomotive.
He had to stop and switch out the Hampsters. They get tired running in the Dryer basket. They only use Hampster wheels in the smaller switching locomotives.
What do you think those train crews think, when they see two guys in a car following them around filming everything they do, in a age of terrorism and uncertny , I would think it would get them a little nervous to say the least.
+David Schneider I wouldnt worry too much about the "terrorism" bullshit. Maybe around a busy passenger station there might be an over reactive concern, but seriously a freight train out on an open track? And what about train crews who record cab rides then post them on social media or youtube for the world to see. It could be argued that doing that is wrong too, and a possible security issue. which it isnt. Anyone can film almost anything in the public domain and guess what? TV stations do it all the time for their news.
knowing there are speed restrictions in some areas, if they stall out in those places, and they know it's possible. why don't they add extra engines to get past these places??
What usually happens is that the electronic air brake system in newer locomotives breaks down. Although the SD40-2 has the dash 2 modules so they have some control over the air brakes, however they just consist of mostly passive components and some bipolar transistors. So sometimes the more simple things are, the more reliable they are.
Ah mk that explains it, i see this a lot on trains. So what is a Dead Pull Unit? i here this term a lot. I been researching it online, nothing comes up to explain what it means.
@@BoneValleyFilms I learned something! Been pulling those cars around for 25 years and never heard them called GR-1. We call them rotary dumps or stretch tops.
I seriously cant believe you're trying to argue this lol. It was a captive motor here for years.... not even close to an SD60. And this SD70MAC 4792 was built after the collapse of Conrail. So wrong on both accounts. My bad on thinking you were referring to the leader at first. But the trailing motor isnt an sd60 either
1. These aren't grain cars. They are Phosphate cars. 2. The second engine is shutdown for fuel usage purpose. To add to that the first locomotive was doing fine hauling this load by it self anyways.
are you really doing 25mph in a 65mph zone while filming :D @2:48 55mph zone sign (there is no shoulder) @4:36 65mph zone sign (there is no shoulder) great video though :)
Thanks for watching! Check out my channel if you can! I've gotten better cameras and posted a lot more in recent years!
Nice video mate, Aussie here, can’t get enough of how amazing the EMD 16-645E3 engine sounds. Luckily for me locally there is one type of locomotives called the Australian National ALF class which instead has the EMD 16-645E3C engine when all 8 locomotives were rebuilt in 1994 after being originally built in 1976-77. Hopefully I can come to the states one day and see these wonderful SD-40’s rumbling away, take care 👍
Awesome! SD40-2's are my favorite EMD's...this is one reason why.
Wow when you said stall I thought you meant due to wheel slip or not enough power on the train but i've never seen a prime mover just stall. Wonder what happened. Excellent video, though. No diesel ever made a better mechanical noise than the SD40-2. That low frequency rumble is music to my ears. Brings back my childhood when we used to live down the street from some old MKT lines and they used to run GP's and SD's around there during the 80's.
Likewise, takes me back to living in Bakersfield in 1990 as a kid and hearing and feeling the Southern Pacific trains rumble past our school and neighbourhood.
Wow. 71 cars and a shuddered unit in tow. That’s gotta be some kind of record for an SD40-2!
Great video! Just shows how good SD40-2's are and why they are still in mainline service!! Viva'la SD40-2's...LOL
Cheers Gregg
@Andy Properw
VIVA LA SD40-2!!
For the note, no train here stalled. Engine shutdown is all that occurred here. I've had that happen many times. Also, that SD70 isn't shutdown. Isolated, merely. However, this a neat video!
Pardon my ignorance. So the SD 40-2 literally the engine cut out for a multitude of reasons Governor electrical fuse overheat low oil what have you and the SD 70 engine is simply idling but isolated and not providing power to the train is that correct?
@@acts2211 that's how railroads work lol. Depending on the train and urgency of moving the freight. Most railroads will basically run the bare minimum for power on low priority trains to save fuel. Or have knotch restrictions. Here in canada it's usually about .6 hpt. Intermodal trains is what you want to be on. 1.2 1
3 hpt. Fricken rockets on the main
Yep. NS ups/ intermodal gets wide open runs. Everything g stop for them. Got to go a few runs from atl to Linwood and Greenville
Both of my very favourite locos on one train so sick
The SD40-2 still did a good job hauling the train by itself
I agree, those old warriors can still hold their own.
SeaboardRailfanner Sorry for the late reply but do you know why the SD70 wasn't running?
ShmotzGaming not sure, it may have sprung some sort of issue because it was running soon after
@@CyberSoldat Possibly for fuel conservation.
SD40-2 is the best engine in my opinion
SD40-2's are fricken bulletproof.
blackflagqwerty no they aren't
But as far as older power is concerned, they are close to it
@@j-z6871 Name another 6-axle locomotive that is as unbreakable as an SD40-2. I sure can't think of any, but I suppose the SD70M comes very close.
Nice video young man. Thanks for sharing and keep'm coming!
Those hoppers must be empty as that one engine would not pull all of them by itself.
Most of our trains C.P. and C.N. inCanada,in the western provinces are pulling 150 to 175 cars for the past 5years.
Ok found out that the 8011 was built in March 1979 it was first L&N 8011 Then changed to Seaboard 8011 the became CSX 8011
Awesome train video
Nice video man !
dave allen thanks!
If the Mac was really isolated and the SD40 was the only motor pulling, it was probably the governor shut down which shutdown the engine.
the eng did not stall it just died - low water or low oil
Did you see it surging after it was restarted? I seriously wonder if it didn't have a plugged filter or actually low on fuel?
Go to 5:30 to avoid the rest, if you want. All good, but stall around 5:30
I was an engineer for 36 years for various railroads, 12 freight, 24 with AMT. I worked for a short time out of Denver to Pueblo,CO. on the Joint Line. I worked for ATSF but most of the trains we manned were the BN trains, mainly coal train, about 15,000 tons on average. Operated many, many SD40-2's. The Santa Fe one's weighed in at about 390,000 lbs., not to bad. The SP SD40's we would get in pool service weighed in at about 410,000 lbs. The BN SD40-2's in coal service weighed in at about 421,000lbs.! Six of those was good pay for us engineers, and there was no stalling. Power to weight ratio means a lot.
Amazing Horn!
If it's EMD power, I like it! Good video!
"Stalled" implies the train was too heavy for the locomotive and the train stopped.
Anyone knowhy the engine shut down?
Robert Gift auto shut down most likely. On the NS our older EMD power doesn't like to start back up on its on own after auto shutting down. CSX probably has the same issue.
Paublo79 Oh. Thank you, Paublo.
What causes auto shutdown? Overheated traction motors? Engine coolant overheat or coolant level loss?
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No they auto shut down after not moving for an extended period of time to conserve fuel.
+talesin- god of the internet Don't forget crankcase overpressure.
Where's the stall??
There's more than 3 yards in the plant. They have a yard for load out, 2 yards for wet rock, a sulfur yard, and loaded car yard in the back. They also have an in house cleaning track. They do not use ammonia cars at this facility.
Where is it exactly?
Ive said it once, and I’ll say it again. CSX constantly underpowers all of their trains.
typical railfan comment
Awesome videos :)
what kind of hoppers are those? they look like old coal hoppers,with extended metal added to them and a grain hopper top added to the top of each car.is that right or am i wrong?
I can tell from the started the SD70MAC wasn't online, Because the Jumping cable was not connected between the units. If I remember correctly the CSX SD40-2's in some series have a over heat fuse of some kind so if the traction motors are to hot and the unit is sitting it will do one of two things- 1 shut the engine down or 2 the engine reversing motor inside the cab will stay in neutral. It's been a few years from my last update look at the locomotives of CSX.
I screwed up. I should have gone into this work when I was first getting my life started
This train is empty thus is relatively light, thus is light enough that a single locomotive can pull 71 cars. Also, the gradient is very minimal (if any) in that area which helps as well.
There's a pretty rough grade from Royster Rd. (distant signal) all the way into the plant. The north leg of the wye turnout isn't much help either.
Nice,what exactly does CSX mean,I thought only east coast. Did see a power unit on main northbound, northern cal.
what are gr-1 cars used for?
Phosphate. It's used for fertilizer.
zippa .way good one
09trainman OK now I know
Also judging by the springs those cars looked empty, so,probably only running the SD40 due to horsepower restrictions
What is carried in those cars? They look like hoppers with hatches on top, but how do they unload them? I don't see any gates or hatches on the bottom.
+NiceMuslimLady these are rotary dump hoppers. They literally are turned upside down and dumped
I know they do that with coal and stuff...but those are open hoppers. These look like covered hoppers. They must be able to take the top off to unload.
Nice video! So what exactly do they carry in those cars? I've seen one pop up in Russell Kentucky before for scrap but it was the only one I ever saw.
These carry dry rock to the port of Tampa. Its the only place in the world that you will see these in action, along one freight line, unless they move for repairs or scrap.
It's DAP or diamonium phosphate.
what are those freight cars hauling or used for? I've never seen them before.
They are used for wet rock
where does the rear safety light get its power?
It has a battery pack. Some models use a small turbine powered by the trainline air to provide power.
When the governor is low on oil or the water gets low they are designed to shut down. He had to punch a button in to restart it. Good video
thanks, did not know that before.
Yeah our Metra F40PH-3's do that too sometimes. You'll be walking through the coaches cutting tickets and then all of the sudden the lights and A/C go out at 70 MPH. LOL
lol that sounds kinda terrifying lol
Where is this located? Florida? What is Ridegwood? A mineral processing plant of some kind? It's nice to see trains/cars not spay painted for a change. Thanks for sharing.
Why couldn't they get the SD70 to start (even if they connected the cables)?
600 AMPS at 50 MPH still don't know any other engine that can do that.
Not the brightest thing in the world to do, as a railfan. The speed limit sign clearly said 55 and there you were doing 20 just so you can follow a train. I can clearly hear every single car passing you up. You are lucky you didn't get rear ended or cause a pileup.
It wasn't nearly as bad as you state. Where I was doing 25 was the 45 mph zone and I sped up once I hit the 55 coming out of town, trust me I live here, I know where its safe to run like that. Oh and the traffic wasn't going nearly as fast as you hint. Plus the highway was wide open. There wasn't any risk of a pileup or accident of any sort.
SeaboardRailfanner You passed a 55 sign at 20-25 mph. It doesn't sound like traffic is heavy but there is a constant stream of cars coming by you. You're a moving roadblock at less than half the speed limit: that is not safe and not much less dangerous than just parking your car in the highway. Please do not do it.
Yeap.. Typical foamers.
soxlosenow an ignorant comment from someone who can't see the road and has no idea of the traffic in my area. I rest my case. If you don't like my videos, feel free to leave.
Ikr,just watch the dam video or leave if you complain about him not doing the speed limit rather than watch the train video,which is the sole purpose
It wasn't a stalled out engine, he probably went pass idle with the throttle.
how lucky to see a SD40-2 its really rare they dont use sd40-2 quite often
Excellent quality!
What are those grain cars?
+SeaboardRailfanner what camera are you using and how much did it cost!?!
+TheBlueHero22 That was my old Nikon Q820, it cost me 200 roughly
what is gr-1
is the shut down to prevent the engine from blowing, sorry i just stumbled onto this video, and dont know much about trains lol, the information you guys give is great and easy to understand too, thanks, q:)
I only think that steam trains can burst, not diesel.
Also, it's likely low fuel or water.
1:26 idk man is the camo really necessary ? i mean aren't SD40-2's colour blind anyways :P
3:33 when you stop to think about all those tons goods it hauling it make you realize just how many trucks that takes off the roads :)
4:28 huh .. i wonder how they did grain trains in the days of steam ... i imagine you couldn't use open top hoppers huh ..
5:11 anyone else just have c.w.McCall's "convoy" song just pop into there head while watching this ?
@@firefox5926 In the steam era, boxcars equipped with grain loading doors were used. Conventional boxcars equipped with temporary paper door inserts (like Signode) were also used.
Awesome Video!
I wonder what the engineer is feeling or thinking when his train stalls.....
"Welp, time to put her in neutral, get out, and start pushing."
Freedomtower Studios the train shut down it didn't stall.
MzZzLzZz that's not how they do it they have to punch a button . plus I didn't stall, it shut down
The train crews feel like complete failures in the game of life, when their train stalls.
What is GR-1, and why is it significant in this story?
It's a unit phosphate train, in this case empty, headed to the Mosaic Bartow facility.
If the sd40 had stalled on me, I might have connected the jumper cable. Furthermore, I then might have fired up the SD70 for mor power. Just to be on the safe side and prevent future stalls
Empty or Loaded?
What are those cars used for
They're for hauling phosphate.
1. Are all SD40s turbocharged?
2. What boost PSI do they run? Does the engineer have a boost gauge (aka manifold pressure) he watches in the cab?
3. It appears the lead unit SD40-2 has added 2 white air conditioning units on the roof. What would prompt that? Does that mean all SD40s without the white boxes doesn't have any AC at all?
+Syclone0044 Yes, all SD40 series units are turbocharged. The turbo isn't exactly what you're used to - these engines are uniflow two stroke diesels and as such, require charged air to run. On the turbocharged EMDs, this is accomplished by connecting the compressor shaft on the turbo, through an overrun clutch, to the camshaft gears by a 12:1 step-up - i.e. the compressor shaft, when under drive from the engine, is turning at 12x the rotation speed of the engine. Once the exhaust has enough velocity to drive the turbo direct, the unit decouples from the engine drive and freewheels - powered by the exhaust. The extra boost varies due to engine load. There is no boost/manifold pressure gauge. The turbo compressor outputs into airboxes located on each bank. The airbox contains the charged air necessary for the engine to run, as a uniflow two stroke engine cannot aspirate directly on its own. The airboxes supply charged air to air ports at the bottom of each cylinder bore, uncovered by the piston in the downstroke. The exhaust is expelled through the cylinder heads via 4 standard poppet valves, driven by overhead camshafts, one on each bank. The bottom to top scavenging is referred to as 'uniflow'.
These units, the first of which was built in 1966 (as an SD40), and 1972 (as an SD40-2), do not have air conditioning from the factory. That practice did not begin until the late 1980s with the proliferation of the comfort cab (widenose).
i work on boats and we use 4 16 645 emds to provide power to electric drive motors.... when you get 4 of those turbos up off the clutches at the same time the noise is incredibly loud. they are probably my favorite diesels to work on in the fleet (other than our detroit 60 generators) but sadly due to epa regs the classic emd is going away for us. no more new builds using emd 2 stroke engines :( the new tier 4 engines are basically redesigned cats...
the answer is no we do not have boost manifold gauges we only have gauges that show our Ampurage to the traction motors.
I think the locomotive behind the EMD SD40-2 is an EMD SD70M.
Close. It's an SD70MAC.
Normally a train cannot stall unless an engine is defective ! The tractive power should be calculated taking into account the weight of the train and the gradients. The calculation was therefore mistaken.
The cars are clean, because people respect the railroad in that area.
normally when they have 1 or more Locomotives hooked up together is not because so it can feed power to help the first loco with power...
I'm starting to learn about this. Educate me please. So what is the reason for another loco if its not helping pull the load? I would figure its a waste of fuel having only one doing the work of pulling a dead weight loco plus the train load.
+Itto i live in Nz and here they hook up 2 locos at most sometimes more depending on what they are towing. but yea usually the second loco does thr work cause u hear it but the first does the controlling but yea to answet 100% i cant ill ask and get back to ya
+Emmanuel Habtegabre Sometimes to transport power or if one loco has a problem and cant be used they have a backup.
svelements yeah i figured the same aye haha
+Genki Itto additional locomotives *are* used to provide additional power. the is the whole purpose of MU
in this case, they were hauling empties so I am sure the MAC was shut down to save fuel. The MAC will be used when they have to pull the loaded cars
Plus the curve radius !
Here we have 71 cars @ 90 metric tons, i.e. 6300 metric tons for a tractive power of 6000 hp... There is no chance that this train can get over the faintest gradient !
Empty cars! But let's assume that there's 6300t, SD40-2 alone can pull it, trust me, and the 8011 did not exeed notch 3 and was at 20mph, at notch 8 it would go 60mph! There's around 2000t and less with 71 car ×30t (and less when empty), okay with addition of SD70MAC 2200t max!
Was the lead locomotive providing electricity to the other locomotive's traction motors, so no need to have its engine operating?
I see what youre saying but it doesnt work that way. Each locomotive only generates enough amps to power itself. The jumper cables connected between locomotives when running together sends the same commands from the lead unit. in this case the other locomotive is just dead weight. perhaps it was bad ordered and marked not to operate or something happened to it earlier in the trip and had to be shut down hence the sd40 having to do the work
Thank you, KingsTiger222 What about "locomotives" which have no cab or engine? (I forget what they are called.) "SLUGS" ?
Thought their traction motors were run from power from the lead locomotive.
LIKE A SLUG CAN IT DO THIS I NEVER HEARD OF A CAB UNIT USE LIKE A SLUG AND IT GO FASTER ?
Robert Gift the engine consist is called a cow and a calf
Where is the boxcar with some hay in it that you can live in . I want to do that
They certainly put too much on that poor engines load. Subbed =)
What are GR-1 cars used for?
Phosphate. It's used for fertilizer.
Ok, thanks!
I bet if a GE had to do this, it would blow a turbo. Or catch on fire. Or just flat out explode.
They should have CSX 4792 helping to
Nice film!
He had to stop and switch out the Hampsters. They get tired running in the Dryer basket. They only use Hampster wheels in the smaller switching locomotives.
What do you think those train crews think, when they see two guys in a car following them around filming everything they do, in a age of terrorism and uncertny , I would think it would get them a little nervous to say the least.
I know this crew personally. the local crews here all know us and so do the train masters
+willibill c The crews could care less. They know you're railfans.
David Schneider plus I personally know this engineer.
We never though about guys driving around taking pics as anything but that. Age of terrorism, never entered our minds.
+David Schneider I wouldnt worry too much about the "terrorism" bullshit. Maybe around a busy passenger station there might be an over reactive concern, but seriously a freight train out on an open track? And what about train crews who record cab rides then post them on social media or youtube for the world to see. It could be argued that doing that is wrong too, and a possible security issue. which it isnt. Anyone can film almost anything in the public domain and guess what? TV stations do it all the time for their news.
Where I live doing 20 in a 55 mph zone can get you a ticket. No less than 15 below the limit.
I was gonna say . . .
What is a GR-1 train?
+Jacob Nelson dunno what GR-1 means but that is an ore train hauling phosphate
They're "rotary gondolas" and idk about the -1
Best loco ever period !
knowing there are speed restrictions in some areas, if they stall out in those places, and they know it's possible. why don't they add extra engines to get past these places??
What does it haul?
Phosphate.
So why is the MAC not running?
What usually happens is that the electronic air brake system in newer locomotives breaks down. Although the SD40-2 has the dash 2 modules so they have some control over the air brakes, however they just consist of mostly passive components and some bipolar transistors. So sometimes the more simple things are, the more reliable they are.
Ah mk that explains it, i see this a lot on trains. So what is a Dead Pull Unit? i here this term a lot. I been researching it online, nothing comes up to explain what it means.
+Dr. Leonard hofstadter a deadhead unit or Dead In Tow unit is one that isn't being used, it's in neutral and just being transported
Flat tire.
Now why would the engineer tell dispatch you're here?
He didnt he called the plant
Nice filming, but I have an issue with driving 5 mph on shoulder. I saw the 55mph sign. Please be careful
Great footage man..I'm a late comer to this video..LOL
Why did you call it a GR-1 train?
Because that is a unit train of GR1 hoppers
@@BoneValleyFilms I learned something! Been pulling those cars around for 25 years and never heard them called GR-1. We call them rotary dumps or stretch tops.
You've probably seen me trackside at some point! I drive a dark blue car these days
Great video! You guys need to invest in a scanner so we can hear what's going on with them.
This is a much older video, I have a scanner now. Makes life much easier
Sd60 ex conrail?
@@BoneValleyFilms no 4792 locomotive sd60 ex conrail
I seriously cant believe you're trying to argue this lol. It was a captive motor here for years.... not even close to an SD60. And this SD70MAC 4792 was built after the collapse of Conrail. So wrong on both accounts.
My bad on thinking you were referring to the leader at first. But the trailing motor isnt an sd60 either
awesome video
wow was on quickly with a train yes, ship and good really
Please just tell me WHY THE STOPPED MAKING THE SD4O!!!!
i have counted 72 cars , may be I double count some
Your caption refers to #650500. The GR-1A BIG HEAD is actually #660500.
+Jim Bradley yes, I accidentally misplaced the caption. I made this video a few years ago when I was first getting into filming.
Armony teacher at Jayanagar
Hey seaboard railfanner why did the csx In front doin the pulling the 71 grain cars when the csx in back dose nothing to then stalls
1. These aren't grain cars. They are Phosphate cars.
2. The second engine is shutdown for fuel usage purpose. To add to that the first locomotive was doing fine hauling this load by it self anyways.
Well sorry I didn't k they where that kind
That is a capable machine
Talk about a lucky catch.
nice video!!!!
thanks!!
the S70m was probably in neutral
are you really doing 25mph in a 65mph zone while filming :D
@2:48 55mph zone sign (there is no shoulder)
@4:36 65mph zone sign (there is no shoulder)
great video though :)
Wonderful video.
The engine died, not stalled, for what ever reason.
If he only had an extra helper he wouldn't stall don't y'all agree!
No.
Rear engine appears to be down.
***** Ya I posted before I saw that.
Time to power up the MAC!!!!
Speed limit is 55