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Have you reviewed the HP Spectre x360 15 Gem Cut with 4GB dedicated graphics? I'd love a comparison with it and the Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Extreme for content creation. I'm leaning towards the Extreme because of AMAZING keyboard and getting a cheaper version of the Microsoft Surface Pro for 2-in-1 mobility (personal use, not content creation because no Thunderbolt 3 😫). The HP is technically a 2-in-1, but it seems too heavy to use as a tablet, just laptop and tent mode. Although, I love that it has a full size keyboard, but I wish it had a full size SD card slot. Thoughts? What do you know about reliability Lenovo vs. HP? The Extreme seems way easier to service and customize.
There aren't enough reviews on mobile workstations. Thanks for doing this. Please review HP Zbook 17 G5 against these series of laptops next please! Lots of professionals waiting for reviews just like this! Waiting to buy one of these for Avid Media Composter and AutoDesk Flame. Any idea when Mobile Quadro RTX cards will be released for the P72?
@@DonZenOfficial subscriber? Who subscribed to me? Lol I dont review anything. I guess I am special to have one subscriber for doing nothing but watching RUclips vids .ahahaha
Glad to see the P72 reviewed by a large channel like yours. Has to be a first for this model. I have the P72 since several months now. It is great workhorse, no doubt. Note that the 4K panel is only 8-bit and not 10: the marketing material is wrong and misleading. Also in one the slides says that the panel is touch, which of course it is not. The matte 17" is super comfortable to work on. The P72 is a great machine for users that need a big screen, lots of storage and ram (up to 128GB !), powerful Pro GPUs. Also adequate if you do not want compromises on thermals and do not require thin and light. And if you do not need a dGPU (like me) you can spec the unit with a Quadro P600 that won't break the bank. Finally, I will add that the P72 works exceptionally well on Linux: I use it on that system full time and with repeated but moderate duration workloads (compilation) the unit stays perfectly cool and quiet (helped by a 0.135mv underclock). Please review the HP Zbook G5 17 and the Dell Precision 7730 (its direct competitors) if possible!
Depending on pricing, I would stick with the Xeon processor in the P1. As of me writing this, the price difference between two identically equipped P1's (one with the Xeon and the other with the i7-8850H) is roughly $100 CDN. Don't forget, Lenovo seemly has sales every hour. For that $100, you get 3mb more L3 cache (although I don't know how useful that is), a slightly faster clock speed, and ECC memory support. You also get the Xeon branding, which may be useful if/when you go to sell the laptop later on. If you are planning on using the laptop for heavy workloads, or are greatly concerned about thermal throttling, you probably shouldn't be looking at a thin and light laptop to begin with. A thicker 15" workstation laptop would serve one's needs better, while maintaining some level of portability.
I got a P1 and I am super happy with it!! I run multiple VMs server software for research and showcasing demos for clients and peers in my field...with large volumes of data and the P1 performs good and it is awesome to carry around... I call my P1 as my light weight Monster & Hulk... I have had it for 4 months now and did get the legendary blue screen 2 times during various months and choose to ignore it. since I was not even running my VM servers while it happend .. I will call Lenovo if it happens frequently... Great Points Matt - thanks sir! BTW I still own a T400 with 8 GB RAM which I purchased in 2018 which still works fine ...Thinkpads Are Awesome!!
I own a P72. These are great laptops that you can get with pretty impressive configurations that won't cost an arm and a leg. For example, I purchased one with an i-7 (8750), 64GB of RAM, & the 4K monitor. I went ahead and purchased separately a 2TB M.2 SSD (Samsung EVO 970) and 2TB SATA 2.5 inch (EVO 860), all for the price of under $3100.00. A similarly priced Mac Pro with these specs would cost over $7,000.00. The build quality is impeccable. Yes, Moniz, I love the "thickness" and the "nipple".
@@thechillmaster5836 very short. I'm running 6TB of memory with 64GB of RAM on a 17.3 inch screen and utilizing a math intensive GPU. Overall, workstation laptops must have short battery lives because of their architecture.
Nice review. I'm looking at a P72 because of Apple's problems. The trackpad on the Lenovos look too small coming from a Mac but an external mouse is a workable solution.
I have a P51 and it has the same touch pad as the P52/P72 and the Lenovo Synaptic drivers installed include Windows precision support and touch action is good, comparable with my old MacBook Pro , so I am surprised the P72 you have doesn't. I had quite a few issues with getting some benchmarking software to use the Quadro GPU. Often they were defaulting to the internal Intel P630 graphics processor, and I had to use the NVidia control panel to force an application to use the Quadro GPU. I found the simplest approach was to go into the BIOS and switch it to discrete graphics mode, effectively disabling the P630 processor and forcing the laptop to use the Quadro GPU all the time. This was especially the case with an eGPU. I agree using a Quadro card in an eGPU is simplest approach with a P1, as it will make use of the default Lenovo graphics drivers, but I have used the GTX 1070 eGPU (Aorus Gaming Box). This is when things get interesting, because in my case the applications had an option of using either P630, Quadro M2200 or GTX1070. In theory, NVidia control panel allows you to select from any of the three GPUs, but it wasn't always that simple. You have to install Geforce drivers for the GTX 1070 to work, which if you are not careful overwrite the Quadro drivers. The Quadro GPU will run with GeForce drivers, but you then lose all the benefits of Quadro special driver / application support. It is possible to manually install the NVidia drivers so the GTX 1070 uses the GeForce drivers, the Quadro card uses the Quadro drivers, but that works best if you disable the P630, use external display from the eGPU for the GTX 1070, and laptop display for the Quadro. The fun doesn't end there, because Lenovo Advantage software will automatically install latest Lenovo graphics drivers, undoing your original hard work, unless you remember to disable auto upgrades. As a consequence, when the eGPU's PSU failed under warranty I returned it and got a refund, and didn't bother with getting a replacement! For me, the jury is still out on Thunderbolt 3 eGPU support and cost Vs benefit. I love the concept, but currently it feels simpler and less time consuming to have separate gaming rig and productivity / work laptop.
Great video! Explained everything I was looking for. Came looking at the P1 but feel the X1 Extreme might fit my needs better, but very much interested in the 10-bit display but prefer the render times of the X1 Extreme SUBSCRIBED!
Nice vid man. Just a comment, watch out for that color grading with the shadows and dark colors. I thought for a minute my screen had low brightness or the contrast difference was not high enough because I could tell apart the shadows from the blacks. Try maybe increasing the dark tones just a bit.
In my research of finding an adequate laptop, I always find that there is yet again another model that is better, slimmer, more powerful, and has "16% more processing power." I then think "time to save up for that" until I reach a point where I am stuck with a 2011 mammoth Thinkpad W520 (pre P series) and a 2017 MacBook Air and huungry for an upgrade. Last year, I was looking at a Legion Y540; last month, a refurb'd P50 (i7 6th gen); a week before that, seriously toying around with the idea of an Asus Zenbook Pro Duo; last week an X1 Carbon 7th gen; yesterday, considering a refurb'd 2020 MB Pro (when the time comes); and now, a Thinkpad P1, which I've never heard of before but consider me a huge fan (minus MacOS, this is the ideal laptop). What to do? So many different models that it's hard to make a decision. Oh all the friggin' choices and places you'll go! Sincerely, Conflicted conscious consumer PS. I forgot the Surface Studio 2, Lenovo Yoga A940, Thinkcentre M920... Who else will join me in the quest to find the perfect computer and to end this endless desire for devices once and for all?
My old work laptop was a Compaq E500 from 2001. I’d use it for writing work because I don’t get distracted as easily but if I’m going into engineering, I think I’m going to want the P72. I used to bike to my classes every day and with all my textbooks, it was literally 31 pounds. P72 is cool.
For me, the quality of the speakers (sound and placement) is a primary parameter I consider when looking for another laptop. I've had enough experience with under-developed speakers to conclude that it is a major determinant during research. Music is life. ThinkPads are historically associated with the practical, business-minded consumer. Yes. But audio is a huge part of my professional life as well as leisure time. Give me something I can work with out the box. It's not disadvantage to their machines to give sound quality a higher priority when the next redesigns drop. Please Lenovo. Place them on top and determine an above average hw-sw audio combo to match the computational performance of your mobile workstations.
Funny how I spent time today going through all your ThinkPad related content and you uploaded a new one few hours ago. really craving the normal carbon X1, 😅any chance of a giveaway there?😅
A very interesting and professional review like always. What about Asus StudioBook S? Can you make a video for this one? I think it will be a very successful product to see a Lenovo P1 with 17 inches in the body of 15 inches
Hey Mathew...love your reviews as always! Just one quick favor! If you were ever in a position to choose a labtop for 4k video editing (davinci resolve15)....no video games just heavy duty editing...which lenovo would you honestly pick? P1? X1? P52? P72? Im currently using XPS 9560 and Davinci Resolve does not run smooth at all!
compared to the P72 the P52 is more limited in hardware options, also its 4k display is a shiny touch screen, while the P72 has a matte 4k display so unless you need the integrated mobile internet antenna or the smaller, more portable dimensions, the P72 is simply better than the P52 can"t comment on the thinner models since they never were a consideration for me, after having suffered from an insufficiently cooled device as my first laptop i won"t pick anything with inherent limits in that regard
I've got p71. You'll get audio chirp over bluetooth. Try disabling the hands-free talk option or unpair your phone. Still trying to narrow down the root cause but that may fix
Guys, I wanted to give you my opinion, so I bought the P1. I ordered a custom 1, but the screen touch, I guess, drains the battery after 2-3hours. I bought i7vpro8th gen, 32ram, 1tb SSD with prof-windows v and nvdia pq2000 graphics card. I think it comes? 1000 - 1500$ cheaper than MacBook pro same configuration. I decided to return it back b/o that, but their service moves so slow. Forget about the US companies where they treat their customer as the king. I am afraid that I am not able to return it anymore, or that they are not going to fulfill their engagement in the future. I have been using it for about 3 weeks. I was so naive to order another one, but w/o touch screen and only 1/2 SSD. Battery seems to last a couple of hours more. I may keep this one. I used macbookair for 4 years w/o any issues, and their service is just great. I tried lg, dell 15 xps same configurations before. P1 looks much better, but I start to worry that I did not go for the macbookpro. I work with metadata, and I need plenty of RAMs. I thought that I could upgrade the RAMS in the future if I need to.
Hi, love your videos! I'm having a rough time upgrading my laptop. I'm extremely sensitive to fan noise and heat on the wrist rest area but im trying to move from a 7700HQ laptop up to a 8750H as i do lots of coding and the occasional game like Battlefield 1. I tried the Y7000 but it constantly blue screened with my external monitor. I tried the Aorus 15 but the fan noise is massive and high pitched. Any ideas on what to try next? No constraints on budget
I don't really see how the P72 can only get 2-3 hours. It should have better battery life than the P1 with a larger battery. I'm assuming the numbers given are for light work like browsing/docs.
Leonid Short answer: Yes! Long answer: It depends on what you’re going to be using it for. This is great for gaming and video editing thanks to the ultra powerful CPU and video card. However, people that look for MacBooks typically are put off by the design and size of the device, but that’s totally subjective.
@@cesartapia610 thanks for the reply, mostly i will use Photoshop and Premier pro doing my hobbyists video/photography and do some beat making using with midi pad, so it this all set?
P1 also comes in Mat screen 1080p. And the thermal management with the I7 is also limit sometime lot of time with heavy load the processor drop the speed to native. And when it comes to noise of the fan I think the P1 at least is louder than an HP zbook
Question: I have a 2016 ThinkPad P50s, I have been a ThinkPad buyer for many years and I love them :-) Over the past 4 yrs I have become more of a gamer. My P50s performs fairly well, and in the next year or so, I may be in the market for a new laptop. With gaming in mind, I would like to stay with a ThinkPad, instead of the Legion Y730 or whatever equivalent Lenovot may be in the market at that time. My question is, would buying a Lenovo Legion Y series laptop be more game worthy than a ThinkPad, provided of course I have it built with the right CPU, GPU and RAM? Penny for your thoughts???
This might be a weird question because I really don't know how multiple storage slots work. Can you run the OS off any of the slots? Or is one dedicated for running the OS and the others serve as storage expansion? My other question is, is it possible to run multiple OS's, each installed in a separate drive? For example, since there's two M.2 nvme slots and a 2.5" slot, can each of those have a different OS with the option to choose which one to boot to?
although i will DEFINITELY use this laptop for work, how about some gaming on the side? would this be able to run modern games (like doom 2016, just cause 3, far cry 5, etc.) with no hassle? I would assume that really good CPU coupled with that business-grade GPU would be able to handle it. Thanks in advance.
The "regular" X1 - was that the Carbon? Great comparison. Have you reviewed the HP Spectre x360 15 Gem Cut with 4GB dedicated graphics? I'd love a comparison with the Lenovo X1 Extreme for content creation. Thanks.
@@MatthewMoniz I can't wait for your review. I hope you get your hands on one soon. If you do review, can you do a comparison of the Spectre and Extreme? I'm leaning towards the Extreme because I'm a writer and the Thinkpad keyboards are legendary. It also seems more durable, easier to service, and it can be customized with more RAM. The HP Spectre x360 has a really unique design. I like that it has a full size keyboard, but it's not quite as comfortable as the Thinkpad. The 2-in-1 functionality is great, but it's so heavy. It should mainly be used in laptop and tent mode. It is quite a bit cheaper than the Lenovo, but the trackpad doesn't have precision drivers, like the Extreme. If Dell makes serious updates to the XPS 15, I would consider it. I would also consider the Microsoft Surface Book if they gave it a more powerful GPU to handle video editing and a Thunderbolt 3 port in the next update. I love that the tablet portion can become detached. Is the Extreme still your top pick for video production?
I really don't like the trackpad on the P1. After 2 months of use I am seeing wear on the trackpad and a little wear on the palm rest. I love the track pad on the p72, the 3 buttons on the bottom are amazing, and the trackpad will not have any wear for years.
I have used both laptops over several weeks and vastly prefer the P1 for its fast speed and small footprint. The P72 is heavy and barely portable in comparison, and both of its dreadfully bad speakers are oddly placed to the upper right of the keyboard. The P1 speakers may be downward firing, but otherwise they are centered and much, much better to tolerate in daily use when my laptop is away from the external speakers and USB AQ DAC I use at my desk. No amount of color calibration will tame the ridiculously oversaturated colors on the wide gamut screen I got first on the P72, and yes I did get it primarily for content creation. Photoshop is one of the few color managed applications in Windows, but almost everything else isn't. On the P1 I got the Full HD matte screen, which although it has a more limited color gamut, colors look great after calibration with the industry standard x-rite i1 display pro. I set the P2000 GPU to discrete in BIOS (using the latest fixed BIOS that won't brick your machine) and bumped up the color saturation a tad to 54% in the nvidia panel settings with minimal channel blooming. There is even Windows HDR support in RUclips and Netflix using the Edge browser. As for gaming on the P1, I've played Shadow of the Tomb Raider for hours on high graphics settings with no problem. There is some undesirable motion blur given the display panel's slow response time, but it's a pretty damn good compromise for a laptop primarily intended for content creation. Regarding P1 overheating and fan noise, I got a twenty dollar dual fan chiller to place underneath the laptop that I switch on during renderings or gaming sessions to lower the temps several degrees and keep things cooler. Benchmarks for the P5200 are generally about two to three times that of the P2000, but the CPU benchmarks are similar with both machines having the fastest Xeons available. So, for my needs, I hated and returned the P72 and I loved and kept the P1. Unless you have a really, really specific justification for the P5200 horsepower of the P72, or you must have the matte 4K non-touch display and will only use a small number of color managed applications, I would highly recommend the P1 with Full HD display as the resolution is still beautifully sharp on the 15.6" screen and you won't have many scaling issues like with the 4K one that occasionally may not show video playback without scaling artifacts. The almost centered trackpad on the P1 is a joy to use and is the best I've ever had, and the smaller keyboard (but slightly larger keys) is easy to type on even if a few of the keys are oddly placed and take a while to get used to. Overall winner... the P1 by a mile!!! 😌
I'm pretty impressed so far with my P1 with P2000. I've played Shadow of the Tomb Raider for hours on high graphics settings no problem, albeit with a dual fan chiller pad underneath to keep things cooler while gaming or rendering. The P5200 has nearly three times the FurMark benchmark score, but otherwise the weight, size, horrible speaker placement, and oversaturated colors on the 4K wide gamut panel made me return the P72 in favor of the P1 with Full HD display and P2000 GPU. I'm really happy with my choice of the P1. 😊
Never satisfied, hoping there will be a P73 and it has the trackpad from the latest thin thinkpads plus slightly brighter screen with hdr. Having said that, my now 3-yo P50 is still going strong.
Yeah I too have a P50 w/Xeon and Quadro m2000, its a great machine, biggest issue for me is the brick of a external power supply, I wish he would have showed those also.
I was using the Razer Blade 15 but I'm going back to the X1E i prefer the keyboard and sd card slot even though it's obviously slower. I also might try a MacBook and Final Cut Pro to expand my knowledge in video editing with different NLEs
Matthew Moniz thank you for the quick response! Another quick question if you don’t mind, so others than keyboard and SD card slot, razer blade 15 is better than X1E overall? Thank you!
These laptops are geared towards professionals who need this type of machine for their work. It's heavy duty and not for the average consumer. It's not like an individual buys it themselves; the business/company buys it in bulk for their employees. Just some info :)
mmm... I own a P71. It has the worst Thankpad keyboard I have ever used. The keys are not as concave as other Thinkpads and are mushy when typing with no crisp feedback (I'm typing on a x230 right now). I've been using Thinkpads since '95 so I didn't even think about the risk of getting such a lousy keyboard when I ordered my P71 directly form Lenovo. So if Mathew is to be believed, they must have upgraded it for the P72.
I want to ask Matthew is Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon good for video editing and Gaming both. I am confused. Please help me to choose a laptop which can do both smoothly without throttling
@@MatthewMoniz Thanks Matthew🤗. It helped a lot. You saved my money. I will buy Legion Y740. But sad news. It is not available in India.😭😭😭😭. Which laptop should I buy which is available in India or any other suggestions of such laptop which can do video editing and Gaming both
P72 is a perfect business machine, for finance professionals frequently using MS EXCEL (due to shortcuts, key travel, and touchpad size and functionality). Too big touchpad is bad for business machines.
Even playing back 10 bit video like that on a uhd or Netflix? I was reading some forums and the display on the x1 extreme is only 8 bit, converting 10 bit video to 8 bit simulating the dolby vision. I can understand the editing part, but the playback of hdr content doesn't make sense. I was hoping you could confirm this.
great review as always. can I ask if you test the panel's color accuracy yourself or are you quoting lenovo specs? I am asking as notebookcheckreview, shows "only" a 88 percent of adobeRGB? what do you think can explain the difference? see here: www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-P1-Xeon-E-2176M-Quadro-P2000-Max-Q-Workstation-Review.337120.0.html
Cheaping out by removing the optical drive after the P70 lost Lenovo a lot of education sales. There are very important uses for optical especially in child education and as far as ongoing projects for 1st year undergrads. When Sony's high capacity DVDs catch on outside Japan and Korea perhaps such as Lenovo will think again. Plug-in burners use up ports and are susceptible to theft. We cannot justify the extremely high asking prices here with this omission. As for the P1, why is this video a VS when the machines have such obvious uses and features? The P1 is very poor value all round.
Can you please give us a review on a thinkpad p1 with a configuration that is available only in Lenovo's designing table.. ? Which they won't easily make it available in most of the countries.. hearing the highest configuration review, people will go for the lowest configuration 😂😂😂😂
I have laptop with touch screen can you really write on them? as the screen keep moving. I havent tried it. because Ive been thinking about getting a pen for it.
Thick or Thin? These are expensive but powerful workstations! Not for most of my viewers but aimed for specific needs. Hit me up on discord if you have any questions! discord.gg/mattmoniz
Great content bruv ! Informative and entertaining!! Keep it op m8!!
Thanks Hugo!!
it's actually the first time I see someone says thick not THICC in 2019
Have you reviewed the HP Spectre x360 15 Gem Cut with 4GB dedicated graphics? I'd love a comparison with it and the Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Extreme for content creation. I'm leaning towards the Extreme because of AMAZING keyboard and getting a cheaper version of the Microsoft Surface Pro for 2-in-1 mobility (personal use, not content creation because no Thunderbolt 3 😫).
The HP is technically a 2-in-1, but it seems too heavy to use as a tablet, just laptop and tent mode. Although, I love that it has a full size keyboard, but I wish it had a full size SD card slot.
Thoughts? What do you know about reliability Lenovo vs. HP? The Extreme seems way easier to service and customize.
Always go thicc
There aren't enough reviews on mobile workstations. Thanks for doing this. Please review HP Zbook 17 G5 against these series of laptops next please! Lots of professionals waiting for reviews just like this! Waiting to buy one of these for Avid Media Composter and AutoDesk Flame. Any idea when Mobile Quadro RTX cards will be released for the P72?
Because, they don't get a lot of views doing that.
Live From The GO lol relax
@@DonZenOfficial LOL you have some serious anger management issues
@@DonZenOfficial subscriber? Who subscribed to me? Lol I dont review anything. I guess I am special to have one subscriber for doing nothing but watching RUclips vids .ahahaha
Yes! I would love to see this
Glad to see the P72 reviewed by a large channel like yours. Has to be a first for this model. I have the P72 since several months now. It is great workhorse, no doubt. Note that the 4K panel is only 8-bit and not 10: the marketing material is wrong and misleading. Also in one the slides says that the panel is touch, which of course it is not. The matte 17" is super comfortable to work on. The P72 is a great machine for users that need a big screen, lots of storage and ram (up to 128GB !), powerful Pro GPUs. Also adequate if you do not want compromises on thermals and do not require thin and light. And if you do not need a dGPU (like me) you can spec the unit with a Quadro P600 that won't break the bank. Finally, I will add that the P72 works exceptionally well on Linux: I use it on that system full time and with repeated but moderate duration workloads (compilation) the unit stays perfectly cool and quiet (helped by a 0.135mv underclock). Please review the HP Zbook G5 17 and the Dell Precision 7730 (its direct competitors) if possible!
Appreciate your opinion on this, thanks, I too want to run Linux but I think Revit will have me dual booting. Wondering if it'll be worth it.
Battery life?
Once you go THICC, You'll never wanna go THIN..
That's heat she said
I just went from Dell Workstation to Macbook pro 16".... guess why I am watching this. I cant put up with heat and fan noise.
Just like women.
@5:41 "I actually play with these nipples quite a bit."
Depending on pricing, I would stick with the Xeon processor in the P1.
As of me writing this, the price difference between two identically equipped P1's (one with the Xeon and the other with the i7-8850H) is roughly $100 CDN. Don't forget, Lenovo seemly has sales every hour. For that $100, you get 3mb more L3 cache (although I don't know how useful that is), a slightly faster clock speed, and ECC memory support. You also get the Xeon branding, which may be useful if/when you go to sell the laptop later on.
If you are planning on using the laptop for heavy workloads, or are greatly concerned about thermal throttling, you probably shouldn't be looking at a thin and light laptop to begin with. A thicker 15" workstation laptop would serve one's needs better, while maintaining some level of portability.
like, say, the P52!
I got a P1 and I am super happy with it!! I run multiple VMs server software for research and showcasing demos for clients and peers in my field...with large volumes of data and the P1 performs good and it is awesome to carry around... I call my P1 as my light weight Monster & Hulk...
I have had it for 4 months now and did get the legendary blue screen 2 times during various months and choose to ignore it. since I was not even running my VM servers while it happend .. I will call Lenovo if it happens frequently...
Great Points Matt - thanks sir!
BTW I still own a T400 with 8 GB RAM which I purchased in 2018 which still works fine ...Thinkpads Are Awesome!!
The review that I was waiting for 👌🏻 Nice video
Thanks Aaron!
I own a P72. These are great laptops that you can get with pretty impressive configurations that won't cost an arm and a leg. For example, I purchased one with an i-7 (8750), 64GB of RAM, & the 4K monitor. I went ahead and purchased separately a 2TB M.2 SSD (Samsung EVO 970) and 2TB SATA 2.5 inch (EVO 860), all for the price of under $3100.00. A similarly priced Mac Pro with these specs would cost over $7,000.00. The build quality is impeccable. Yes, Moniz, I love the "thickness" and the "nipple".
You must be Rich!
Battery life?
@@thechillmaster5836 very short. I'm running 6TB of memory with 64GB of RAM on a 17.3 inch screen and utilizing a math intensive GPU. Overall, workstation laptops must have short battery lives because of their architecture.
Strange that one would compare the P1 to the P72 rather than the P52.
My P50 works great since 2016. Great review on the new machines!
Thanks man!
Nice review. I'm looking at a P72 because of Apple's problems. The trackpad on the Lenovos look too small coming from a Mac but an external mouse is a workable solution.
The real comparison should be p52 vs p72
I have a P51 and it has the same touch pad as the P52/P72 and the Lenovo Synaptic drivers installed include Windows precision support and touch action is good, comparable with my old MacBook Pro , so I am surprised the P72 you have doesn't. I had quite a few issues with getting some benchmarking software to use the Quadro GPU. Often they were defaulting to the internal Intel P630 graphics processor, and I had to use the NVidia control panel to force an application to use the Quadro GPU. I found the simplest approach was to go into the BIOS and switch it to discrete graphics mode, effectively disabling the P630 processor and forcing the laptop to use the Quadro GPU all the time. This was especially the case with an eGPU. I agree using a Quadro card in an eGPU is simplest approach with a P1, as it will make use of the default Lenovo graphics drivers, but I have used the GTX 1070 eGPU (Aorus Gaming Box). This is when things get interesting, because in my case the applications had an option of using either P630, Quadro M2200 or GTX1070. In theory, NVidia control panel allows you to select from any of the three GPUs, but it wasn't always that simple. You have to install Geforce drivers for the GTX 1070 to work, which if you are not careful overwrite the Quadro drivers. The Quadro GPU will run with GeForce drivers, but you then lose all the benefits of Quadro special driver / application support. It is possible to manually install the NVidia drivers so the GTX 1070 uses the GeForce drivers, the Quadro card uses the Quadro drivers, but that works best if you disable the P630, use external display from the eGPU for the GTX 1070, and laptop display for the Quadro. The fun doesn't end there, because Lenovo Advantage software will automatically install latest Lenovo graphics drivers, undoing your original hard work, unless you remember to disable auto upgrades. As a consequence, when the eGPU's PSU failed under warranty I returned it and got a refund, and didn't bother with getting a replacement! For me, the jury is still out on Thunderbolt 3 eGPU support and cost Vs benefit. I love the concept, but currently it feels simpler and less time consuming to have separate gaming rig and productivity / work laptop.
Lmao the intro, anyway how about the p52?
Underatted comment, anyone seriously considering these two laptops would want to look into the P52
I bought a couple of Lenovo laptops at xmas. Love them. I'm upgrading to Thinkpad. Probably P1
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I have ordered p1. Still 2 more weeks to deliver the p1.
Great video! Explained everything I was looking for. Came looking at the P1 but feel the X1 Extreme might fit my needs better, but very much interested in the 10-bit display but prefer the render times of the X1 Extreme SUBSCRIBED!
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Unbiased reviews!!
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Nice vid man. Just a comment, watch out for that color grading with the shadows and dark colors. I thought for a minute my screen had low brightness or the contrast difference was not high enough because I could tell apart the shadows from the blacks. Try maybe increasing the dark tones just a bit.
Hi Matthew, please consider doing a review of the P73 as well. Thank you.
In my research of finding an adequate laptop, I always find that there is yet again another model that is better, slimmer, more powerful, and has "16% more processing power."
I then think "time to save up for that" until I reach a point where I am stuck with a 2011 mammoth Thinkpad W520 (pre P series) and a 2017 MacBook Air and huungry for an upgrade. Last year, I was looking at a Legion Y540; last month, a refurb'd P50 (i7 6th gen); a week before that, seriously toying around with the idea of an Asus Zenbook Pro Duo; last week an X1 Carbon 7th gen; yesterday, considering a refurb'd 2020 MB Pro (when the time comes); and now, a Thinkpad P1, which I've never heard of before but consider me a huge fan (minus MacOS, this is the ideal laptop). What to do? So many different models that it's hard to make a decision. Oh all the friggin' choices and places you'll go!
Sincerely,
Conflicted conscious consumer
PS. I forgot the Surface Studio 2, Lenovo Yoga A940, Thinkcentre M920...
Who else will join me in the quest to find the perfect computer and to end this endless desire for devices once and for all?
My old work laptop was a Compaq E500 from 2001. I’d use it for writing work because I don’t get distracted as easily but if I’m going into engineering, I think I’m going to want the P72. I used to bike to my classes every day and with all my textbooks, it was literally 31 pounds. P72 is cool.
For me, the quality of the speakers (sound and placement) is a primary parameter I consider when looking for another laptop. I've had enough experience with under-developed speakers to conclude that it is a major determinant during research. Music is life.
ThinkPads are historically associated with the practical, business-minded consumer. Yes. But audio is a huge part of my professional life as well as leisure time.
Give me something I can work with out the box. It's not disadvantage to their machines to give sound quality a higher priority when the next redesigns drop. Please Lenovo. Place them on top and determine an above average hw-sw audio combo to match the computational performance of your mobile workstations.
Yeah i would probably go for the p1 for the slimmer design, but the display is a bit small for me^^
Funny how I spent time today going through all your ThinkPad related content and you uploaded a new one few hours ago. really craving the normal carbon X1, 😅any chance of a giveaway there?😅
haha, sorry i try not to do giveaways as much. I find they attract the wrong people and cheapen the channel .
@@MatthewMoniz I fully understand that, keep up the good work!!!!
Yo, love your videos mate!
Thanks Hari!
A very interesting and professional review like always. What about Asus StudioBook S? Can you make a video for this one? I think it will be a very successful product to see a Lenovo P1 with 17 inches in the body of 15 inches
Hey Mathew...love your reviews as always! Just one quick favor!
If you were ever in a position to choose a labtop for 4k video editing (davinci resolve15)....no video games just heavy duty editing...which lenovo would you honestly pick? P1? X1? P52? P72? Im currently using XPS 9560 and Davinci Resolve does not run smooth at all!
compared to the P72 the P52 is more limited in hardware options, also its 4k display is a shiny touch screen, while the P72 has a matte 4k display
so unless you need the integrated mobile internet antenna or the smaller, more portable dimensions, the P72 is simply better than the P52
can"t comment on the thinner models since they never were a consideration for me, after having suffered from an insufficiently cooled device as my first laptop i won"t pick anything with inherent limits in that regard
@@AnarchistMetalhead A thicker laptop will cool better ?
@@secretime3 yes, more space for airflow, separating the hot parts and heatpipes. how well that space is used can vary though
I have the p72 does anyone else have audio crackle issue while watching videos on youtube I know i didn't purchase for audio but damn its annoying
I've got p71. You'll get audio chirp over bluetooth. Try disabling the hands-free talk option or unpair your phone. Still trying to narrow down the root cause but that may fix
Great timely review, thanks
Thanks man !
My daily driver is the T470. P72 is a beast
very good review keep up the quality, a sub from me.
Guys, I wanted to give you my opinion, so I bought the P1. I ordered a
custom 1, but the screen touch, I guess, drains the battery after
2-3hours. I bought i7vpro8th gen, 32ram, 1tb SSD with prof-windows v and
nvdia pq2000 graphics card. I think it comes? 1000 - 1500$ cheaper than
MacBook pro same configuration. I decided to return it back b/o that,
but their service moves so slow. Forget about the US companies where
they treat their customer as the king. I am afraid that I am not able to
return it anymore, or that they are not going to fulfill their
engagement in the future. I have been using it for about 3 weeks. I was
so naive to order another one, but w/o touch screen and only 1/2 SSD.
Battery seems to last a couple of hours more. I may keep this one. I
used macbookair for 4 years w/o any issues, and their service is just
great. I tried lg, dell 15 xps same configurations before. P1 looks much
better, but I start to worry that I did not go for the macbookpro. I
work with metadata, and I need plenty of RAMs. I thought that I could
upgrade the RAMS in the future if I need to.
Yes you can add another 32 Gb RAM in the P1
Thanks for the vid, what do you think of the P71?
this is a great review on top thinkpad products if you cannot decide the model.
Great video! Thank you for this one.
You're very welcome !
Thanks for this comparison, good info.
Hi, love your videos! I'm having a rough time upgrading my laptop. I'm extremely sensitive to fan noise and heat on the wrist rest area but im trying to move from a 7700HQ laptop up to a 8750H as i do lots of coding and the occasional game like Battlefield 1. I tried the Y7000 but it constantly blue screened with my external monitor. I tried the Aorus 15 but the fan noise is massive and high pitched. Any ideas on what to try next? No constraints on budget
Great video! thanks! Love the Lenovo videos
You're welcome !
I don't really see how the P72 can only get 2-3 hours. It should have better battery life than the P1 with a larger battery. I'm assuming the numbers given are for light work like browsing/docs.
im new to the laptop world, and i got question, is this better than macbook pro when it comes to performance ?
Leonid Short answer: Yes!
Long answer: It depends on what you’re going to be using it for. This is great for gaming and video editing thanks to the ultra powerful CPU and video card. However, people that look for MacBooks typically are put off by the design and size of the device, but that’s totally subjective.
kek
@@cesartapia610 thanks for the reply, mostly i will use Photoshop and Premier pro doing my hobbyists video/photography and do some beat making using with midi pad, so it this all set?
Leonid sure thing!
Yes. Definitely
P1 also comes in Mat screen 1080p. And the thermal management with the I7 is also limit sometime lot of time with heavy load the processor drop the speed to native. And when it comes to noise of the fan I think the P1 at least is louder than an HP zbook
Question:
I have a 2016 ThinkPad P50s, I have been a ThinkPad buyer for many years and I love them :-)
Over the past 4 yrs I have become more of a gamer. My P50s performs fairly well, and in the next year or so, I may be in the market for a new laptop. With gaming in mind, I would like to stay with a ThinkPad, instead of the Legion Y730 or whatever equivalent Lenovot may be in the market at that time.
My question is, would buying a Lenovo Legion Y series laptop be more game worthy than a ThinkPad, provided of course I have it built with the right CPU, GPU and RAM?
Penny for your thoughts???
Is that p1 is powerful enough for study deep learning and machine learning at University?
Good review, thank you.
This might be a weird question because I really don't know how multiple storage slots work.
Can you run the OS off any of the slots? Or is one dedicated for running the OS and the others serve as storage expansion?
My other question is, is it possible to run multiple OS's, each installed in a separate drive? For example, since there's two M.2 nvme slots and a 2.5" slot, can each of those have a different OS with the option to choose which one to boot to?
The X1 Extreme has a horrible screen bleeding light. Do you see that on these two laptops?
although i will DEFINITELY use this laptop for work, how about some gaming on the side? would this be able to run modern games (like doom 2016, just cause 3, far cry 5, etc.) with no hassle? I would assume that really good CPU coupled with that business-grade GPU would be able to handle it. Thanks in advance.
The "regular" X1 - was that the Carbon? Great comparison. Have you reviewed the HP Spectre x360 15 Gem Cut with 4GB dedicated graphics? I'd love a comparison with the Lenovo X1 Extreme for content creation. Thanks.
Thanks Karayah! Yes that was the X1 carbon from last year. I'm working on getting my hands on the HP spectre. It looks sweet!
@@MatthewMoniz I can't wait for your review. I hope you get your hands on one soon. If you do review, can you do a comparison of the Spectre and Extreme?
I'm leaning towards the Extreme because I'm a writer and the Thinkpad keyboards are legendary. It also seems more durable, easier to service, and it can be customized with more RAM. The HP Spectre x360 has a really unique design. I like that it has a full size keyboard, but it's not quite as comfortable as the Thinkpad. The 2-in-1 functionality is great, but it's so heavy. It should mainly be used in laptop and tent mode. It is quite a bit cheaper than the Lenovo, but the trackpad doesn't have precision drivers, like the Extreme. If Dell makes serious updates to the XPS 15, I would consider it. I would also consider the Microsoft Surface Book if they gave it a more powerful GPU to handle video editing and a Thunderbolt 3 port in the next update. I love that the tablet portion can become detached.
Is the Extreme still your top pick for video production?
I really don't like the trackpad on the P1. After 2 months of use I am seeing wear on the trackpad and a little wear on the palm rest.
I love the track pad on the p72, the 3 buttons on the bottom are amazing, and the trackpad will not have any wear for years.
Is it worth the upgrade from a P71 to P72? From 4 care Xeon to 6 core... what's the big difference?
@@NOSFERATU_ONE What is the difference with other CPU ?
Your reviews are great, but why are your audio and video slightly out of sync on most of your videos?
They look in sync to me? I'll check again but this is a first I'm hearing this
Sync is perfect here...
The P1 should be fine if you use XTU to offset the CPU V -150mv and turbo boost power max to 60W.
I give that review a 10/10. Excellent job.
Thanks man !
what a great review. thanks
You’re welcome !
Does that P1 have active aero and a hybrid system 😏
I got you
I know you said the P72 supports touch, does that mean all P72's come with a touchscreen? I didn't see an option?
I have used both laptops over several weeks and vastly prefer the P1 for its fast speed and small footprint. The P72 is heavy and barely portable in comparison, and both of its dreadfully bad speakers are oddly placed to the upper right of the keyboard. The P1 speakers may be downward firing, but otherwise they are centered and much, much better to tolerate in daily use when my laptop is away from the external speakers and USB AQ DAC I use at my desk.
No amount of color calibration will tame the ridiculously oversaturated colors on the wide gamut screen I got first on the P72, and yes I did get it primarily for content creation. Photoshop is one of the few color managed applications in Windows, but almost everything else isn't. On the P1 I got the Full HD matte screen, which although it has a more limited color gamut, colors look great after calibration with the industry standard x-rite i1 display pro. I set the P2000 GPU to discrete in BIOS (using the latest fixed BIOS that won't brick your machine) and bumped up the color saturation a tad to 54% in the nvidia panel settings with minimal channel blooming. There is even Windows HDR support in RUclips and Netflix using the Edge browser.
As for gaming on the P1, I've played Shadow of the Tomb Raider for hours on high graphics settings with no problem. There is some undesirable motion blur given the display panel's slow response time, but it's a pretty damn good compromise for a laptop primarily intended for content creation.
Regarding P1 overheating and fan noise, I got a twenty dollar dual fan chiller to place underneath the laptop that I switch on during renderings or gaming sessions to lower the temps several degrees and keep things cooler.
Benchmarks for the P5200 are generally about two to three times that of the P2000, but the CPU benchmarks are similar with both machines having the fastest Xeons available.
So, for my needs, I hated and returned the P72 and I loved and kept the P1. Unless you have a really, really specific justification for the P5200 horsepower of the P72, or you must have the matte 4K non-touch display and will only use a small number of color managed applications, I would highly recommend the P1 with Full HD display as the resolution is still beautifully sharp on the 15.6" screen and you won't have many scaling issues like with the 4K one that occasionally may not show video playback without scaling artifacts.
The almost centered trackpad on the P1 is a joy to use and is the best I've ever had, and the smaller keyboard (but slightly larger keys) is easy to type on even if a few of the keys are oddly placed and take a while to get used to.
Overall winner... the P1 by a mile!!! 😌
I would like to know about the P1 gen 2, because it seems like it doesn't have touch screen
Thank you for the video.
Wish they wouldn't put the Fn key where the damn CTRL key is supposed to be. Same shit on my MB Pro, I constantly have to use software to remap those.
you can remap keyboard under bios. support.lenovo.com/tr/en/solutions/ht074187
How's gaming on a P2000 4GB? Keep in mind it's my first laptop and will only occasionally play a few game titles
I'm pretty impressed so far with my P1 with P2000. I've played Shadow of the Tomb Raider for hours on high graphics settings no problem, albeit with a dual fan chiller pad underneath to keep things cooler while gaming or rendering. The P5200 has nearly three times the FurMark benchmark score, but otherwise the weight, size, horrible speaker placement, and oversaturated colors on the 4K wide gamut panel made me return the P72 in favor of the P1 with Full HD display and P2000 GPU. I'm really happy with my choice of the P1. 😊
Never satisfied, hoping there will be a P73 and it has the trackpad from the latest thin thinkpads plus slightly brighter screen with hdr. Having said that, my now 3-yo P50 is still going strong.
They are never going to make everything right in one laptop. Typical marketing tactic
Yeah I too have a P50 w/Xeon and Quadro m2000, its a great machine, biggest issue for me is the brick of a external power supply, I wish he would have showed those also.
Very helpful. Thanks
You're welcome !
I wonder what laptop you're using rightnow Matthew, still X1E?
I was using the Razer Blade 15 but I'm going back to the X1E i prefer the keyboard and sd card slot even though it's obviously slower. I also might try a MacBook and Final Cut Pro to expand my knowledge in video editing with different NLEs
Matthew Moniz thank you for the quick response! Another quick question if you don’t mind, so others than keyboard and SD card slot, razer blade 15 is better than X1E overall? Thank you!
5000k? *_is that a poor joke that im too rich to understand?_*
Its not meant for the average consumer it's a business proruct. You're paying that money for the Quadro card
You can spec it with a P600 for a bit more than 2000$ if you do not need a powerful dGPU
These laptops are geared towards professionals who need this type of machine for their work. It's heavy duty and not for the average consumer. It's not like an individual buys it themselves; the business/company buys it in bulk for their employees. Just some info :)
r/woosh
You get it cheap via EPP and sales..
P72 Reminds me of the old W520/530, and sort of sad to see it still has some of the bad habits of the W520/530
Wish I waited for the p72 I have the max spec p52 and I definitely would of spent an extra 1000 for the better specs
That's a Man's laptop.
couldn't agree more... 🤜🤛🔥
99Whr, because lawmakers understand that 100 is too dangerous. Arbitrary numbers for arbitrary reasons.
I guess I have to devote more gym time to arms and core if I plan on making the P72 my EDC.
mmm... I own a P71. It has the worst Thankpad keyboard I have ever used. The keys are not as concave as other Thinkpads and are mushy when typing with no crisp feedback (I'm typing on a x230 right now). I've been using Thinkpads since '95 so I didn't even think about the risk of getting such a lousy keyboard when I ordered my P71 directly form Lenovo. So if Mathew is to be believed, they must have upgraded it for the P72.
hahaha "GIGABUT" you said sounds cooler than gigabit!! XD 1:47
I want to ask Matthew is Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon good for video editing and Gaming both. I am confused. Please help me to choose a laptop which can do both smoothly without throttling
No I'd look at the lenovo X1 Extreme if video editing is important or if you game more than edit look at the Legion y740
@@MatthewMoniz is there a laptop on which I can do both of any brand. I am confused.please help me
Ya the y740
@@MatthewMoniz Thanks Matthew🤗. It helped a lot. You saved my money. I will buy Legion Y740. But sad news. It is not available in India.😭😭😭😭. Which laptop should I buy which is available in India or any other suggestions of such laptop which can do video editing and Gaming both
Is the display really 10 bit? I have the P1 4k model and I can't switch it to 10 bit mode.
P1 3rd gen is the one for me.. a great review.
I like it thiccccccc.............
P72 is a perfect business machine, for finance professionals frequently using MS EXCEL (due to shortcuts, key travel, and touchpad size and functionality). Too big touchpad is bad for business machines.
The size is fine it's just the elan drivers. They suck compared to the windows precision on the P1
So does the x1 extreme have a 10 bit display? I think the p1 does but the x1 extreme does not, even though they both have 4k screens.
Its probably the same display as the P1 but because it's using a 1050ti you can't use it at 10-bit
Even playing back 10 bit video like that on a uhd or Netflix? I was reading some forums and the display on the x1 extreme is only 8 bit, converting 10 bit video to 8 bit simulating the dolby vision. I can understand the editing part, but the playback of hdr content doesn't make sense. I was hoping you could confirm this.
At 7:10 sure those are the actual Cinebench scores? They look very suspect, even for the i7 8750H listed there.
you meant to say girth or ... 😏
Thick. More durability and ruggedness. I hate that they've streamlined the ThinkPad design and made them all thinner
do these models come with Windows 10 for Workstations?
What's about the new mobile workstation from Asus?
Thanks
You're welcome !
Does P72 support Active Pen? Or only X1 supports?
No it does not because it's a matte display. P1 does though and x1
@@MatthewMoniz Thanks for the reply
Always go for the thick ;)
Hahahaha!!! "You're not going to be traveling with it everyday..." Me: Carries my P70 to work and class everyday lol
You must be jacked now
@@MatthewMoniz Hahahaha!!!! Toning the glutes!!!
@@XxserabearxX haha
The nipple is the differing factor of Thinkpads to everything. So you know its a thinkpad if you saw a red, hard nipple.
Lol yup
Finally another person who calls that thing a nipple , good to know i'm not alone .
I love nipples
Whats the name of the thurteen inch version?
Love the proper ethernet port. Like the heat management.
17 inches? Short battery life? Not so much loving there.
great review as always. can I ask if you test the panel's color accuracy yourself or are you quoting lenovo specs? I am asking as notebookcheckreview, shows "only" a 88 percent of adobeRGB? what do you think can explain the difference? see here: www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-P1-Xeon-E-2176M-Quadro-P2000-Max-Q-Workstation-Review.337120.0.html
I test it myself using a color calibration tool
@@MatthewMoniz many thanks for the reply. I did not expect any less of you. can I ask which tool you recommend? I use a simple spyder5pro.
Cheaping out by removing the optical drive after the P70 lost Lenovo a lot of education sales. There are very important uses for optical especially in child education and as far as ongoing projects for 1st year undergrads. When Sony's high capacity DVDs catch on outside Japan and Korea perhaps such as Lenovo will think again. Plug-in burners use up ports and are susceptible to theft. We cannot justify the extremely high asking prices here with this omission.
As for the P1, why is this video a VS when the machines have such obvious uses and features? The P1 is very poor value all round.
Can you please give us a review on a thinkpad p1 with a configuration that is available only in Lenovo's designing table.. ? Which they won't easily make it available in most of the countries.. hearing the highest configuration review, people will go for the lowest configuration 😂😂😂😂
I am going with p73
Can you do a review on the new Matebook X Pro?
Trying to get my hands on it but I have the Matebook 14 here which has similar specs. Stay tuned
@@MatthewMoniz Oh believe me my friend, I will. #Excited
I have laptop with touch screen can you really write on them? as the screen keep moving. I havent tried it. because Ive been thinking about getting a pen for it.
Which laptop is it
Razer with touch screen. I actually can draw but would drawing on laptop be weird?
Razer doesn't have pen support
My bad then thanks for the answer and great work with your videos which are getting better and better :)
You are the best
I want a P1 or X1 Carbon but with a numpad
Oh wow, I have the P52
Same