Great video. Really enjoying the porch series. One tip which I've learnt the hard way is to put some lead sealant in your groove before inserting the lead. Give an extra layer of bonding and waterproofing in case the repointing fails. All the best
You done a great job there Tim those form flashing are tricky,We always took a heat gun with us for those tricky bits made it a lot easier to form,they might of improved since and now it's not needed,one of the first roofs I done was on a subsiding extention I came back 3 years later the building had come away nearly 2 inches at the top and the rubber just stretched no leaks it's a remarkable product, I always used to try and sell the rubber for simple roofs and the grp for ones with more detail I don't do it any more so it was nice to see someone else struggle for a change lol,anyway welldone
I redid garage roof with OSB3 and EPDM system in 2009. Managed the whole thing on my own, it's not cheap but far far easier than felting and bitumin! plan on doing the same with the porch...great video
credit where its due i fit this stuff for a living and you've made a cracking job on the detailing secret is to keep the backing film on and peel off as you stick it down top job well done.
Nice, and thanks For putting this together. I have done 3 edpm roofs but none with an upstand of which I’m about to do. How has it all done over the last few years? I am doing half this year and half Next year so the joist is something I’m considering.
Great video as always. Started watching this as my side extension roof is at a low pitch 13 degrees and leaking..looking at options just not sure if epdm will work on a pitched roof..
Nice job, still undecided if skylights look better with the angle batten round the base of up-stand or just like you have done tight in to the junction between roof and up-stand. Either way so glad we went EPDM over fibreglass.
If your going to go EPDM make sure it's flease backed not the garage material used in this video! As far as grp goes ! There is a reason boats are made in sheds at a certain temperature!!! EPDM is the cheapest ! Ask yourself before you fit either .. do I want the possibility off a leak in the future 🤔 because i went for a cheap product and could fit it myself ! If so crack on and good luck .
I need some advice ASAP as the plasterers are in Thursday. When the joiner did the upstands of the roof lantern he built it with 65mm timber one side 75mm the other side. This does not work with any ridged foil insulation I can get hold of. It has to work perfectly as the insulated plasterboard goes up the reveals. The joiner seems pretty clueless. My question is can the upstands be done use a rockwool or if it has to be foiled tripled up silver quilt packed tight?
Great video and information. What is the material you used to stick around and on top of your roof upstand? Also did you use a vcl over the insulation on the inside of your upstand?
Was it the little tin of primer used with the scratchy sponge? How long does that have to be left on, and did you then use contact adhesive on that and up the sides?
When I did our roof, every cut of the EPDM scared the hell out of me -- I was so worried about making a mistake. Like you, I found you can pretty easily fix things, and a DIY'er can do a good job of it. Next year, we will be putting a deck over our flat roof. That should be pretty interesting... Do you have to caulk the seams with the system you are using? We used 'RoofKit" EPDM and they want all seams caulked with their rubber caulk.
One thing that might become a small issue in time, is where the lead sits on the top of the osb it’s creating a flat step, which in time the laps can become vulnerable and water tracks under the laps, seen it a few times. But might be ok 👍🏻
Hi Tim, super job on the porch roof. I'm always puzzled why videos can get a lot of positive supportive comments, but sometimes very little in the way of 'Likes'. I always click 'Like' before even watching your videos (predictable?Nah!) partly because i know this can have a positive impact on a channels success. Anyway, thanks for sharing. Stay safe and keep up the good work. PS. I think Rosa wants a bigger mug!! 👍🖖🐔😎
Hi, could you please advice what have you used ( best to use for brick work) to fill the wall chase in between the lead flashing and bricks? you videos are very informative and helpful. Thank you.
Small but a fair bit of work is an understatement. Did you use lap sealant at the edges of the seam cover tape? I'm at the lap sealant stage but it took me eons to get here because of complicated corners and overlaps. Can NOT find anywhere information on how long lap sealant needs to cure before it can be exposed to water.
Using an EPDM pipe sleeve, looks like a witches hat. Otherwise if pipe already in then you need to apply overlapping sections (best checking website for details on method)
As an independant, would you use EPDM for an 18 degree log cabin Apex roof (7x6m), and would you use 2 sheets over lapping at the Apex. Additionally there are 2 Velux windows 1m sq to navigate - Any advice greatlyfully received. Oh, and do you recommend any particluar supplier/type of EPDM. Thanks
Tidy on them corners. When joining the old roof to new, I've seen it done with small piece of timber ripped into 1/2' x 1/2' , boned and screwed to the osb and the old epdm folded over it and bonded and the new folded over that and bonded and the joint will never leak. I don't know how they debonded the old epdm though.
Although the joining clips clip in your best putting pins in each one as in time they will come off other wise I have been doing rubber roofs for quite a few years and the joining clips alway come of if they are not pined in
Good point. I glued one side of each clip on the other roof last year which worked well and still allowed for expansion. Still to finish off the last side of the trim so will sort all the little bits off then. 👍
I think I was referring to the fact I took off upstand and cut the opening on the EPDM first. Usually it is just measured and cut which would be easier in a big roof.
You were very methodical in ur approach but a couple of pointers is always have 4 inches of contact adhesive around any perimeter and when joining 2 layers of epdm you should only adhere 1 side first and then the other as the quick prime is reliant on timing, also if you’re brave you could have glued the membrane first and cut out the hole after but that could be slightly risky, good video though
8-10 years max that form flash will fail as it has no reinforcement behind it see so many people do this like this but it is wrong seen them fail like this so many times I'm guessing this is permaroof as apposed to firestone
Hope Jo's finger is OK after getting caught between the skylight, nothing worse than a bruise under the nail! I'm not a pro but that roof looks spot on. Great work as usual.
The lead flashing should have been bedded into the wall to give a 45deg slope on the top as what you have done will allow standing water that will migrate back into the wall causing damp and/or spalling. The flashing joint should have been 12mm x 25mm deep to allow for mortar pointing to the full depth of the joint as mastic is only short term in this location especially where you have standing water. The flashing should also have been set in with lead wedges twice folded, not the bits of lead offcuts you used. The folded wedges allows decent movement of the lead as the differential movement of the lead/stone wall is substantial. I also note that you do not have cold roof ventilation at the abutment that is essential to keep the roof timbers in an acceptable condition - check with the Building Control Officer. What this video shows is poor, but unfortunately too common practice in roof detailing.
@@nonsheep5823 I have been specifying and inspecting roofing works for the last 50 years for both domestic and commercial projects.and have been called as expert witness on building construction matters, so I guess I must have a clue. And I have met roofers who certainly don't have a clue.
Best to watch the videos before commenting... roof is vented soffit to soffit, 75-100mm void above insulation and counter battened with 9m of guttering at the lower edge.
![Felix "Unfair" | [Stray Kids : SKZ-PLAYER]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Oswujxm2Ag0/mqdefault.jpg)
You've honestly done a better job than most professionals
REST5 is our Rubber4Roofs discount code from the last EPDM project 👍 tinyurl.com/slfhl88
Looking great. This will make such a difference to you all over the winter.
Great video. Really enjoying the porch series.
One tip which I've learnt the hard way is to put some lead sealant in your groove before inserting the lead. Give an extra layer of bonding and waterproofing in case the repointing fails.
All the best
The mug model is gorgeous. Blessings.
You done a great job there Tim those form flashing are tricky,We always took a heat gun with us for those tricky bits made it a lot easier to form,they might of improved since and now it's not needed,one of the first roofs I done was on a subsiding extention I came back 3 years later the building had come away nearly 2 inches at the top and the rubber just stretched no leaks it's a remarkable product,
I always used to try and sell the rubber for simple roofs and the grp for ones with more detail I don't do it any more so it was nice to see someone else struggle for a change lol,anyway welldone
Thank you for the video saved me alot of time and hassle. Keep up the good work
I redid garage roof with OSB3 and EPDM system in 2009. Managed the whole thing on my own, it's not cheap but far far easier than felting and bitumin! plan on doing the same with the porch...great video
credit where its due i fit this stuff for a living and you've made a cracking job on the detailing secret is to keep the backing film on and peel off as you stick it down top job well done.
I’ve seen worse jobs done by so called professional flat roofers,well done mate👍🏾 Sarnaman👊🏾
Nice, and thanks For putting this together. I have done 3 edpm roofs but none with an upstand of which I’m about to do.
How has it all done over the last few years? I am doing half this year and half Next year so the joist is something I’m considering.
Go Dad. Mines 80 still helping out - laying blocks at the moment!
Excellent video bought a mug already. Keep it up!
Awesome as always
Hi Tim were was the guttering fixed sorry if I missed it but I saw you putting the trims around the edges but no guttering.
I’ve got a similar job to do. Your video helped.
Great job mate - been binging your videos ahead of moving into our first house in January. Really inspired! 👍
Great video as always. Started watching this as my side extension roof is at a low pitch 13 degrees and leaking..looking at options just not sure if epdm will work on a pitched roof..
I appreciate your craftmanship 😘
This is exactly what I’ve been looking for. Nice and clear. Thanks.
This is excellent if you are already experienced at rubber roof installation
just a question - can you waterproof around skylight flashing just with bitumen instead?
How did you secure the upstand to the roof please? Also did you add insulation to the upstand?
Really enjoyed the video thank you very much
Looking forward to my new tinkering mug lol it was the baby that sold it tim lol love the channel keep up the good work
Nice job, still undecided if skylights look better with the angle batten round the base of up-stand or just like you have done tight in to the junction between roof and up-stand. Either way so glad we went EPDM over fibreglass.
Great tutorial, just wondered how it was holding up as I'm debating whether to go EPDM or Fibreglass regards
If your going to go EPDM make sure it's flease backed not the garage material used in this video! As far as grp goes ! There is a reason boats are made in sheds at a certain temperature!!! EPDM is the cheapest ! Ask yourself before you fit either .. do I want the possibility off a leak in the future 🤔 because i went for a cheap product and could fit it myself ! If so crack on and good luck .
Nice Job:) Neat finish around the upstand, Cant wait to see the skylight go on
It’s on the way! 👍
I need some advice ASAP as the plasterers are in Thursday.
When the joiner did the upstands of the roof lantern he built it with 65mm timber one side 75mm the other side. This does not work with any ridged foil insulation I can get hold of.
It has to work perfectly as the insulated plasterboard goes up the reveals.
The joiner seems pretty clueless.
My question is can the upstands be done use a rockwool or if it has to be foiled tripled up silver quilt packed tight?
Great video and information. What is the material you used to stick around and on top of your roof upstand? Also did you use a vcl over the insulation on the inside of your upstand?
Can I ask what you did with the exposed wood below the black trim? Painted?
Just ordered my mug
Was it the little tin of primer used with the scratchy sponge? How long does that have to be left on, and did you then use contact adhesive on that and up the sides?
Do you use an adhesive to fit the tape on the corners to the lantern? Thanks
Informative as ever Tim, Did you have to seal the gap above the lead flashing with silicone or similar
Yes pointed with mortar. You may be able to see the other side of the roof in the background during the video.
Good question. I wonder if that groove should be cut an up angle...
Just remembered, he repointed it last time.
Yep all done now. 👍
I used a couple of tubes of grey lead sealant for mine. Is mortar the preferred way?
Hi, thanks for these videos, has been really helpful. Just wondered what insulation ,or at least thickness, you used in the upstand?
When I did our roof, every cut of the EPDM scared the hell out of me -- I was so worried about making a mistake. Like you, I found you can pretty easily fix things, and a DIY'er can do a good job of it. Next year, we will be putting a deck over our flat roof. That should be pretty interesting... Do you have to caulk the seams with the system you are using? We used 'RoofKit" EPDM and they want all seams caulked with their rubber caulk.
One thing that might become a small issue in time, is where the lead sits on the top of the osb it’s creating a flat step, which in time the laps can become vulnerable and water tracks under the laps, seen it a few times. But might be ok 👍🏻
If you are talking about the upstand then you are correct it should be chamfered to stop water ingress good job
Really great job, love all the videos. Can now look forward to doing my own flat roof. All I need now is a mug!!
Hi Tim, super job on the porch roof. I'm always puzzled why videos can get a lot of positive supportive comments, but sometimes very little in the way of 'Likes'. I always click 'Like' before even watching your videos (predictable?Nah!) partly because i know this can have a positive impact on a channels success. Anyway, thanks for sharing. Stay safe and keep up the good work. PS. I think Rosa wants a bigger mug!! 👍🖖🐔😎
Mug ordered 😀. Another great video - Happy Christmas to you and family 🎁🎁🎁
Another great instructive and inspiring video keep it up
Hi, could you please advice what have you used ( best to use for brick work) to fill the wall chase in between the lead flashing and bricks? you videos are very informative and helpful. Thank you.
What is the tape called you put on the corners of the upstand?
How long will a bike puncture repair last?
Hi, can I put epdm on existing fibreglass roof? Thanks
Brilliant keep good work. Merry Christmas
Small but a fair bit of work is an understatement. Did you use lap sealant at the edges of the seam cover tape? I'm at the lap sealant stage but it took me eons to get here because of complicated corners and overlaps. Can NOT find anywhere information on how long lap sealant needs to cure before it can be exposed to water.
I think the Rubber 4 Roof RUclips channel had every stage detailed out, or at least on their website.
First what lav microphone do you use and what camera cheers
Rode mics. Panasonic for the bulk of the messy stuff and 5Dmk4 for workshop or cleaner projects. 👍
@@TheRestorationCouple thanks
Love your videos!!!
How did you seal around the drain pipe?
Thanks
Using an EPDM pipe sleeve, looks like a witches hat. Otherwise if pipe already in then you need to apply overlapping sections (best checking website for details on method)
As an independant, would you use EPDM for an 18 degree log cabin Apex roof (7x6m), and would you use 2 sheets over lapping at the Apex. Additionally there are 2 Velux windows 1m sq to navigate - Any advice greatlyfully received. Oh, and do you recommend any particluar supplier/type of EPDM. Thanks
Do my eyes deceive me Tim, surely that was'nt your good ladys cordless Dyson I noticed in the background? You are indeed a brave man sir 😁
🤫
Nice video. Do u need planning or building regs for this?
Yes for the garage conversion but not for the porch.
Should use a scrubbie for priming.
Need hydroisolatin between breaks and osb
Hello! What is the name of the tape?
Still got the van bulkhead. :). Nice work
😂 there is a reason, not just hoarding like usual. I had planned a few tool and adhesive tests videos, well that was the plan a year ago! 🙄
The Restoration Couple haha. Always the way... too much to do, not enough time!
Lovely job......I think your wife could do with a new white jumper for Xmas ...as her sleeves are shredded in this video!
Tidy on them corners. When joining the old roof to new, I've seen it done with small piece of timber ripped into 1/2' x 1/2' , boned and screwed to the osb and the old epdm folded over it and bonded and the new folded over that and bonded and the joint will never leak. I don't know how they debonded the old epdm though.
Awww.. at 10:25
(A new model !!!! :) )
Although the joining clips clip in your best putting pins in each one as in time they will come off other wise I have been doing rubber roofs for quite a few years and the joining clips alway come of if they are not pined in
Good point. I glued one side of each clip on the other roof last year which worked well and still allowed for expansion. Still to finish off the last side of the trim so will sort all the little bits off then. 👍
you mentioned you wouldn't do this on a large roof, can i ask why?
It sure which bit you mean. May be that I was saying that I would pitch the angle a little more on a larger glass. No reason not to go big. 👍
I think I was referring to the fact I took off upstand and cut the opening on the EPDM first. Usually it is just measured and cut which would be easier in a big roof.
Great job. Mug , pff yes want but im not sure it will survive the trip to China. Happy Christmas to you all and enjoy it.
Glue epdm in the field first set your box then flash the box
Great work ! I'm curious, are you in a trade or just a really skilled DIYer?
Just a keen DIYer. 👍
You were very methodical in ur approach but a couple of pointers is always have 4 inches of contact adhesive around any perimeter and when joining 2 layers of epdm you should only adhere 1 side first and then the other as the quick prime is reliant on timing, also if you’re brave you could have glued the membrane first and cut out the hole after but that could be slightly risky, good video though
Thank you all. Do it yourself
Buggers on the tape 😖. Sometimes overdoing is better than just doing, especially when it gives you settled mind 🤪🤓😉😁
Well done good effort but remember to oil your lead 👍
8-10 years max that form flash will fail as it has no reinforcement behind it see so many people do this like this but it is wrong seen them fail like this so many times I'm guessing this is permaroof as apposed to firestone
Hope Jo's finger is OK after getting caught between the skylight, nothing worse than a bruise under the nail! I'm not a pro but that roof looks spot on. Great work as usual.
Think it was the silicone she sat her finger on that was the issue. 🤦♂️
People do your research! I'm a roofer and I never put a bicycle tire inner tube condom over mine or your living space.
Omg !!@@ never cut through the stone work
The lead flashing should have been bedded into the wall to give a 45deg slope on the top as what you have done will allow standing water that will migrate back into the wall causing damp and/or spalling. The flashing joint should have been 12mm x 25mm deep to allow for mortar pointing to the full depth of the joint as mastic is only short term in this location especially where you have standing water. The flashing should also have been set in with lead wedges twice folded, not the bits of lead offcuts you used. The folded wedges allows decent movement of the lead as the differential movement of the lead/stone wall is substantial.
I also note that you do not have cold roof ventilation at the abutment that is essential to keep the roof timbers in an acceptable condition - check with the Building Control Officer.
What this video shows is poor, but unfortunately too common practice in roof detailing.
I'm a roofer you havnt got a clue mate
@@nonsheep5823 I have been specifying and inspecting roofing works for the last 50 years for both domestic and commercial projects.and have been called as expert witness on building construction matters, so I guess I must have a clue. And I have met roofers who certainly don't have a clue.
@@clivewilliams1406 yeah exactly you don't do or have never done any roofing , keep to the books
@@nonsheep5823 I have actually, both tiling and flat roofing using BS747 and Polimer Bitumen as well as single ply.
Cool I'm doing a 800m sbs roof now insulated vapour barrier down welding lead outlets now , im doing it stop talking about it
So a cold roof with zero ventilation. Total bodge the lot will be rotted in 12 months
Continuous vented air space soffit to soffit. 👍
Mine next , just had my flat roof utility room done £20075.00 done by a contractor
Rough
Should wear gloves when handling lead...!
Omg has she got a tooth coming through? She's grown so much.
None showing but on their way, hence the rosy cheeks. 🙄
Shocking
Better than most professional roofers 👍👍
Slow down and tell us why you do what you do.
am i the only one that saw EPMD...lol
How is guttering going to work, and what about venting the roof!!id not be putting stuff like this up on RUclips, !! It’s not good
Best to watch the videos before commenting... roof is vented soffit to soffit, 75-100mm void above insulation and counter battened with 9m of guttering at the lower edge.