Why Was the Great Dying So Bad?
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- The ending of the Permian Period marks the worst mass extinction event in the history of life - the Great Dying. But what made this extinction so severe?
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I think the reason The Great Dying was so bad had a lot to do with all the dying.
Wouldn't have been so bad without it for sure.
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I think the animals died in the great dying 🤔
It would just have been „The Great“ without all the dying, sounds more like a good time, so I think your theory holds ground.
Genius turn it into the professor now lol
We have since built museums to celebrate the past, and spend decades studying prehistoric lives.
And if all this has taught us anything, it is this: no species lasts forever. -Kenneth Branagh
Unfortunately, too many of certain type of person uses that sentiment as an excuse to continue creating our own mass extinction event. They same to think it's normal.
No species has ever been as narcissistic as us either, WE WILL LIVE FOREVER
@@realdaggerman105 dont think so, our narcissism will be our down fall
@@hsdinoman2267Well no because no other species is as amazing as us, hence we’re gonna live forever
@@rynemcgriffin1752 somebody seems to be high off their own gases
“Because it was so ugly, everyone died!!”
~Patrick Star
Thanks for making your paper available for us. I wish I could give it an honest grade, but I was a professor of music, not palaeontology, so I'll just satisfy myself with learning from it. Thanks also for making such a wonderful channel for us all to learn from and enjoy.
Thank you for sharing this content. It includes more detail about the Siberian Traps activity and timing of its consequences than I had previously encountered.
You know it was BAD when even insects start going extinct.
The Permian extinction was sad of course. But if it never happened, the world would never see the more special organisms in the world's history: the dinosaurs.
Not to mention, “mammals” would probably look pretty different.
@@vernonfridy8416 Probably alot more synapsid groups would continue to exist to this day.
@@MrCrunch808 If the K-Pg extinction still happens the Cenozoic would possibly be the age of reptiles.
And humans who are literally the only species to remember what came long before us.
@@UnwantedGhost1 It’s less „remembering“ and more investigating or figuring out.
Somehow, I am thinking your coursework for degree is going to be an A, if it is even half as good as your channel content, well disserved. Very well done to give prospective to the history of life VS. modern times. Good luck in your studies, but you will go far no matter what you pursue. 👍
Another excellent video, Ben. I especially like that typically, you guys share new insights or research with a measure of modesty. What I mean to say is, too often paleo-themed YT channels, blogs, tweets, etc., will jump onto every new bit of research or hypothesis or theory and excitedly proclaim it as a new “truth” of discovery. Of course, such information may eventually come to be accepted to an assumed truth given the evidence, but science doesn’t deal with absolutes-it deals with falsification and probabilities. So, even though it might seem like a very insignificant detail, just using small words like “might,” “maybe”, “possibly”, “perhaps”, “could have”, etc., when speaking of the possible conclusions such evidence or research or hypothesis might lead to, helps to remind the viewer that not ever detail about every subject is always known for absolute certainty. (Hence the reason for continuous research!) That is simply the very nature of the historical sciences, and I much appreciate that you all generally are good about doing this. It’s important for the scientific process to be as transparent as possible for the general public, which helps to clear up a lot of misunderstandings as well as to explain exactly why and how we draw the many conclusions that we do. So, good job, lads! -A Paleontologist
Yeah, there are WAYY too many "science" channels out there that are run by people who are scientifically illiterate. (And I include most science journalists in that desciption). But you dont have to have trained in the sciences to be scientifically literate... you just have to be able to review a paper and analyze the methodology. Is there a large enough sample size?if there is experimental data, how were the experiments constructed? was there a proper control? do the claims of the authors actually match the data they collected? how weak or strong is the hypothesis? are the results within the margin for error and therefore too weak to support the conclusion? Etc. And of course, like you said, the realization that science is a constantly unfolding revellation, not a dogmatic Truth... as well as the realization that nothing in science is taken as fact until the results have been independantly verified or reproduced. One paper doesnt change everything by itself.
@@patreekotime4578 yes, exactly. But these facts are either a) not known/understood by most people, even those interested in science, or b) such persons are too lazy/lacking the training in critical thinking to scrutinize the data. Just because something appears in a scientific paper doesn’t mean there is no misinformation in it or that the authors didn’t make any mistakes. That’s why science is a communal effort. No one person can know everything or change everything. Even so, many science enthusiasts (especially it seems those lovers of paleontology), sometimes act more like the “fans” of a movie/book/TV franchise, treating each new piece of data like a “leak” from the studio and speculating about the next film or season. The enthusiasm is appreciated, but we must approach science and fiction differently. How many YT videos are out there that called “What X dinosaur really sounded like” or “Allosaurus’ Sounds Reconstructed” or “new discovers turns the field on its head!” Besides the fact that no one can reconstruct the sound of an Allosaurus or that very rarely does a single discovery “rewrite history”, such videos give the false impression that we have everything figured out, that nothing is forever unknowable, or that science is a straightforward venture. Any reasonably modest person who has ever gone through proper scientific trainer or even just been very well read will tell you: the more you learn, the more you realize how little we actually know, how much more there must be to know, and that most everything-past, present, and future-will forever be unknowable. In other words, humility is essential for doing good science, and that goes for those reporting on the sciences as well.
Maybe because I’m saddened by the loss of so many animals throughout earth history, I find these presentations particularly interesting. The Great Dying is an event that deserves your level of focus. An excellent presentation.
Great job! Would have been nice if you included the capitanian extinction at the end of the middle permian. A lesser known extinction event during the permian.
First time I have seen the information about the underlaying geological landscape prior to the formation of the traps. In a lot of ways this sounds like what would have become a major coal deposit explaining just how much carbon could have actually been released beyond just the volcanic events.
Because everyone died
You stole me the joke xD
Correction: because *_almost_* everyone died
and why are you here then
Good Job there, I can see your work in Africa doing you good. Now as an old-time geologist/planetary scientist, I do reserve the right to softly laugh at two digits after the years (251.48). Still, heck you guys might be getting close on that (its been close to 50 years since I did any straight-up geology, looks like you have been carrying on excellently). I would love to see you make a Siberian Traps series, I think that it has a lot to say. Once more, good job. Oh I was one of the contributors to your African studies, I think it was clearly money well spent.
This is the best, most comprehensive explanation of the Great Dying I've ever heard. I usually have to watch at least twice to absorb everything. I'm slow. You are my favorite RUclips site.
Great Dying: only mass extinction to really impact insects.
Humans: hold my beer.
Great video! Short and consice.
Enjoyed that, entertaining and informative. An excellent combination.
This is so cool! To be able to get hands on your newly published work is such a treat. I really dig* your channel, and even though I'm not in this field, I appreciate the love and care you have for science.
Cheers from a musically educated paleontology enthusiast.
*that's right, you know exactly what I meant by that.
Thank for covering the PETM, I've been hanging out for some good coverage to come along. And you guys did it. Cheers
What an incredible article. I’m doing my master’s currently right now, this paper totally looks like one I would cite in my own writing hahaha. Very well done
Great detail info about this highly interesting period in earth history! Thanks!
OH God! History is repeating!
This was an excellent video on a cool subject! And I can’t wait to see more about South Africa!
Excellent episode!
Well, they don't call it, "the great awesome period", do they?
Last I checked, dying sucks.
Death is actually kind of neutral, sometimes bad sometimes good
I think we're living through the great awesome period right now. Or great ok period
@@nikobellic570 Great for some of us but bad for other creatures. 😅
Life had experienced mass exctions before but those exctions were largely unicellular. This was just the first time that larger animals were put through the grinder. Everything after couldn't be as severe cos by definition they were the survivors of that great dying
I rememeber telling my best friend about this event that he had no clue about, I barely showed him the wikipedia article and as he went through the various environmental changes, one by one his face turned from "whats this all about?" to outright "HOLY FUCK!", needless to say I couldn't stop laughing at that expression.
Great video with the implications for current possibilities for extinction due to human activity. Thank you.
This is a little thing but it always bugs me, the Great Dying was the worst _Phanerozoic_ mass extinction. We dont really know what mass extinctions occurred in previous eons, or how bad they were (we can obviously infer a pretty bad one with the Great Oxygenation, for example), but that's like 7/8th of the history of life.
The P-T event is undoubtedly the largest extinction since the evolution of multicellular life. That's what most people envision when mass extinctions are compared in severity. The Great Oxidation Event caused a massive extinction although few people excluding scientists know about it.
Wow the loss of insects is scary as that is occuring today
Thanks a lot for this. It was definitely informative and fascinating. Excellent!
Excellent video! 😊
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and your enthusiasm and I hope you know how much I appreciate your videos 👍🌎
Haha when you work hard on an assignment and realize only 1 other person will see it... It's good to have an appreciative audience!
I´ve definetely learned something new! It is a great video! Thank you so much.
Always enjoyed your channel. Great work.
Linking your paper is a nice touch.
This man’s jawline can cut diamonds
Took me a minute to work out what the title meant. Good video anyway.
Knowing how much died back then is haunting.
We're currently in the greatest mass extinction in history.
You have a good voice. Subbed....I fall asleep to these types of videos
Guys, I think Ben referred to “how” not that much “why” the great dying was bad
Did you miss the part about the geology involved?
Thank you
Thank you.
Because the planet’s climate became unrecognizable, which killed so many creatures.
I first learned about the Great Dying from the Walking With Monsters documentary.
I used to like Paleontolgy many years ago when I was young.
But it all got too complicated for me
Good video
Wouldn't say that: just doesn't get explained step-by-step well. Hard to dig into a topic when you're focused on work/survival. Don't assume you're unable to learn it, just a matter of time needed.
Awesome video
04:00 That is hysterical. “Evaporite” is a term my 7 year old would come up with while chattering away about a topic where he has actually memorized only half of the factual information he wants to convey that he knows.
That is what makes it a perfect name: even a child can get, what it means.
Love your channel and the great clarity and style of your presentation 😁 Where exactly in South Africa did you visit that boundary layer? I live in SA and need to plan a trip there! Looking forward to watching the SA series of videos 😊
Imagine the thousand of animal generations living during this apocalyptic wasteland that lasted for so long. If they were sentient do you think they would have any hope for it to end?
the grade I would give you is G, for a great job😁
I suppose that the sheer size of the Siberian trappes contributed to the Permian-Triassic extinction. The igneous province was gigantic, considerably larger than the Deccan trappes, which was also quite large. The size of the trappes is probably proportional to the length of time of the volcanic activity, or at least that is a worthwhile conjecture.
I think that`s the first time i`ve heard mentioned.
That the Ozone Layer collapsed.
Great work. Aim High
The asteroid that caused the extinction of the non-avian dinosaurs is another case of a perfect storm of geology causing a mass extinction. Only in the very specific place the asteroid hit was it able to cause a mass extinction. It came down to literal seconds. If the asteroid had hit 10 seconds before or 10 seconds after, the rotation of the Earth would have meant that the asteroid wouldn't have hit that specific spot and while there would have been a local extinction, the rest of the planet would have been mostly unaffected.
to state that ~90% of species died is actually underestimating the carnage
it seems pretty obvious that of the ~10% surviving species they themselves loss ~90$ of their living individuals
that would result in about 99% death of all living organism for the whole event
Genera, not species. That's just the metric used.
@@rickkwitkoski1976 yes , I know
species however is the fossil evidence
I want Hollywood videos that base the script on events like the great dying. replacing animals with humans, speeding time up by 20000x, but keeping the order and implication of the events. I'd go back to school to watch that!
Can someone explain the part about only 2 mass extinctions effected plants and only 1 severely impacted insects?
Is this the consensus view, or is this the only a "based on the limited fossil record"? Or were there actually a bunch of large insects familys that died out during the PT extinction?
9 or 10 orders went entirely extinct, 10 were greatly reduced in diversity, we’ve seen no other loss in insect diversity near that scale.
Really interesting video & best of luck with your degree - I'm sure you'll do great 👍🎓
LSP (Lumpy Space Princess) >LIP
Edit: jokes aside, stellar video mate.
It would be mind-shattering to see the extinction. I don't think I'd be able to handle the visuals of it. The skies would be terrifying
Makes me wonder...
If there was another total extinction event on earth... would things ever eventually evolve back into humanity?
You’re actually so cute Ben best of luck with your further studies and career ❤
I was taught the oxygen die off was the biggest extinction in terms of biomass and percentage of, "species" lost... Mainly single celled so boring?
Hello old me... I got 2 likes but nobody confirmed or denied it... I'm talking sheer weight of.. Biomass.. I think
Ben looks like he comes straight out of a Nolan movie. Which is cool!
The question answers itself
Excellent video
Great video. Proxies are important tools in medical diagnoses and epidemiology, as well.
"Why was the great dying was so bad"
Because everything was dying.....
"I've actually been invited myself. I was there watching the Great Dying" that's what I though he was gonna say at the beginning there
Good thing for us that we weren’t even alive yet when it happened. Our ancestors survived which could rise to Today’s mammals.
This man isn’t even done w college 🌋
You should do a video on oceanic acidification.
I have the feeling these million years scale will be normalised in the future when we have better understanding.
I remember.
the more you know about the past the more prepared you are for the future
Imagine all the amazing species that can evolve if humans continue down the current path of the sixth mass extinction and climate change. It is not all doom and gloom, but very bad for all on the planet right now.
Ben G Thomas, a paleontologist: "Why was the Great Dying so bad?"
Me, a philosopher: "Because of this 'dying' thing, maybe?"
What’s up with that giant impact crater in Antarctica that was dated to 250 mya?
there is nVidia software now that will make it look like you're looking at the camera even when you're reading the script
7:10 - was the Lamprey feasting on the sharks EYE really necessary for that artist? Jeez
It creeped me out when I first saw it
So that's what it was
The Great dying was terrible because that’s how we got to know Phanerozoic I was over :(
I wonder whether "The Great Dying" is a helpful name for this event. Every living thing dies. Death is a constant phenomenon. Extinction doesn't necessarily result from death, it results from a failure to reproduce. There need not be any "carnage" or excess mortality to cause extinction, especially over a million years. Almost negligible (in the moment) decreases in fertility can result in extinction, even as most members of a dwindling population lead long uneventful lives. It could have been "The Great Sterility".
Was the eruption caused by a rising plume of hot magma or by a massive object from space punching a huge hole in the crust?
Which forms lived through this and how did they survive?
Also, showing Siberia as it exists today and the extent of the Large Igneous Provence sure is useful, but this video also needed to show the LIP as it related to Pangea, the shape the continents were in at the time of the "great dying".
Ummm... Early pre-mammals, obviously. And many others that are just taken as "normal" today.
@@rickkwitkoski1976
And how did they survive?
It wasn't bad. It was great!
Was it slower or maybe temperature shift so fast in geologic history it's hard pick out
People before the living room was invented
Fascinating!
Couldnt have been that bad, or else they wouldnt have called it the Great Dying!
I propose calling it "The big oof"
When I was young, in the place where I lived after the construction of bridges, the river became shallow by 2/3 and bared its banks. We found hundreds of fossil dinosaur bones and even fought with them like swords like ancient knights.
"Why was the great dying so bad?" Well because everybody friggin died, duh
"Why not call ot the extinction era or the hurty phase, why is it called the great dying?"
"Because... of all... the death!"
Why was "The Great Dying" so bad?
Bruh, the name speaks for itself.
will the current anthropogenic mass extinction be as deadly as the great dying?
Not really, the Great Dieying was so bad that almost all life died, oceans acidify and the ozone layer almost disappeared. Plus we are actively trying to stop it.
Impossible to say right now. We don't see an increase in global average temperature nearly this rapid anywhere in the geologic record, but we also don't know how long this one is going to last.
Jesus man, that jawline is fucking immaculate wtf
Why Was the Great Dying So Bad?
All the Dying mostly.
Kind of hard to walk around because of all the corpses.