This video is super helpful. I got my ENA 8 this week...and it is so much fun to use. Being able to change drinks by pre-programming and even after programming "on the fly" is a great feature.
I have had an ena 8 for 4 years, despite careful compliance with the cleaning required for the first 2 years the machine has returned twice ... broken down .. the 3rd year again broke down given the price of the repair I completely disassembled the mechanical part of the machine: totally dirty.. I cleaned it, changed the seals.. it has been working well for over a year! but never rained from Jura!
Hey . Does the power cable come out from the back of the machine? The machine is 44.5cm deep, my counter top is 45cm. If there's a big chunk of cable protruding out on the backside of the machine I'm out of luck.
Hi SG, The power cable does come out of the back. It is flexible and does not have a bulky connector plugging into the back. You'll need about 1.5cm of clearance for the flexible cable. The feet of the machine do not extend to the front edge of the drip tray so if you're okay with a 1 cm or so of drip tray overhanging the front edge of your counter you may be in luck!
hi, Marc, I enjoyed the ENA8 very much, but it's said I need to change the filter. it's out of stock everywhere. Can I use filtered water instead of using the Jura filter? Thanks
Hi Wonder, Yes you can use the machine without the in reservoir smart filter. The machine will know you are not using one and alert you to descale as needed. You will need to test the hardness of water you use and enter that info into the machine. If using water from another filter like a filtering pitcher or tap mounted be aware most do nothing to treat/reduce minerals so they do not reduce the water hardness like the in reservoir smart filter. Marc
Thanks for the video. Can you tell me if the inside of the unit that come in contact with the milk, water, coffee is aluminum, stainless, or plastic and if plastic is it BPA free ? Thank you.
Hi T&M, You are welcome and thanks for the question. Internal thermoblock boiler is stainless steel lined. All plastics in contact with water, coffee, milk are certified food safe in EU/US.
Hi bz, Jura machines generally do not include a milk container. The milk pickup tube can be placed in any container or Jura has these accessories: www.wholelattelove.com/products/jura-glass-milk-container www.wholelattelove.com/products/jura-capresso-stainless-steel-thermal-milk-container www.wholelattelove.com/products/jura-cool-control-0-6-l-black-1 Marc
Hey Warren, Thanks for the kind comment! Special place in my heart for Oz. Named my youngest daughter born in 2000 after your Olympic city! Years ago I worked with a Sydney native who came to the US. A great guy... perfect combo of friendly attitude. Also turned me on to some tasty single malts! Marc
I'm struggling between the Jura Ena 8 and the Gaggia Babila...The milk carafe cleaning process seems a lot easier on the Babila and also seems to have less plastic on the Babila as well. So the question is, is the coffee leaps and bounds better on the Jura? Cause I am leaning towards the Babila but just curious how much better the coffee is on the Jura before making my decision...any help/thoughts would be much appreciated!! Thanks :)
Hi Clayton, Thanks for the question. A key feature of the Babila is the flow control on the coffee spouts. It allows one to fine tune a brew by restricting the flow when making espresso and increasing the flow rate when making larger cups of coffee. It also has more coffee grind settings to better fine tune flavor. The ENA 8 uses pulse extraction process PEP when making espresso which slows down brewing and turns that off when making larger cups. Babila has capabilities to make a better cup if one uses the grind size and flow rate to adjust. ENA 8 accomplishes something similar with PEP/non-PEP brewing but it's not as controllable. Both machines have plastic used in construction but the Babila has metal where it counts and overall is more robust. Hope that helps! Marc
Hi g, the 10g max dose per grind cycle is about what you'll get from most automatic machines regardless of manufacturer. It's in the upper dose range of singles made on semi-automatic (portafilter) machines. For reference, a traditional Italian single dose is 7g. Marc
I am comparing the ENA 8 to the E8, now before purchase. Could you explain the two foam options of the E8? By the way, tell Jura I am buying one of their machines because of your channel!
Hi e, Thanks for the question. The ENA 8 does one type of froth while it's switchable on the E8 between steamed milk with very little air added and a fine foamed froth with more air added. Marc
Thank you Marc for this video and many others before, I got my three fav machines thanks to your detailed reviews: Barista express (my first), Sevren and last but not least the best of them all Ena 8.. thank you for all your insights.
Thank you Marc. I just bought a Jura ENA 8 and liked it. I have a question: it's easy to clean the milk system on your video, but the instruction book said " The dual spout must be dismantled and rinsed daily". I didn't see that part on your video. Do I have to do that daily if I already clean the milk system daily?
Hi W, You are welcome and happy to hear you are liking the ENA 8. Frothing performance can decline if milk residues accumulate in the frothing components. So long as you do normal rinsing and cleaning using the cleaning product when done making milk drinks for the day taking it apart daily should not be necessary. I'm guessing some users are a little lax in the easy cleaning so Jura includes language like that in the manual. Marc
I was looking at the S8 but now this might be a better choice for me. Would be making 3-4 cups in the AM and 1-2 milk drinks at night. And the ENA is about $700 less than the S8.
Hi B, Thanks for the comment. The ENA 8 could make sense for your needs. If you have not seen already check out my coworker AJ's at home review of the ENA 8. May give you a better idea of day to day use/capabilities: ruclips.net/video/RG54xUGxPFo/видео.html Hope that helps! Marc
I'm considering this vs the Jura E8. I'm not that picky towards black coffee, but I am towards Latte/Caffé Macchiato. I had a JURA ENA Micro 9 One Touch that I loved, but it broke. I replaced it with a SIEMENS EQ9 but their milk froth is very disappointing. So, recommend Ena 8 or E8?
Hi N-K M, Thanks for the question. If you liked your ENA Micro 9 I'm guessing you'll like the ENA 8 as well. I happen to use a ENA Micro 90 at home. With the E8 you get higher capacities for beans, water, etc. Also can adjust milk froth on the E8 from more of a steamed milk to a froth. If using in a lower volume situation or counter space is a concern I'd go with the ENA 8. We have a very nice at-home review of the ENA 8 which may give you more insight on froth quality and daily use considerations of the ENA 8: ruclips.net/video/RG54xUGxPFo/видео.html Hope that helps! Marc
Just received my Ena 8 (after watching this presentation) and having my first cappuccino. It was pretty easy to set up. Know I just have to adjust settings to my taste. I noticed there is no program for a regular latte. Any advice how I can get that out of it?
Hi sami, Thanks for sharing your experience and the question. A lot of these types of machines do not have a specific "latte" setting. Reason is that would confuse Italian users. In Italian "latte" translates to "milk". Instead of latte they will make a latte macchiato. A few machines get the name correct by calling it a caffe latte. Anyway, very easy to get what we here in the US call a latte which in typical preparation uses a 1:5 ratio of espresso to milk. 2 ways you can do it. First way, make a latte macchiato. This will prep the milk first then brew espresso over the top. You'll end up with a layer of espresso in between 2 different milk densities. Once made just stir gently to combine the espresso in the middle with the bottom milk layer. Second way (and the one I like best) is to use the flat white as the base. This will make espresso first then froth the milk over the top just like a barista would do. No stirring needed but you may want to reprogram the drink to taste as the flat white preset is probably set at about a 1:2 espresso to milk ratio. Hope that helps and my apologies for a delayed response - I took a long and disconnected weekend. Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage, I had the same questions since I mostly drink Soy latte. Any advise to get that silky smooth milk on top instead of being to frothy?
Great review! I just bought one and it appears the stainless steel cover for the milk pipe is included. I just opened the box and it's not. Is it supposed to be included? Thanks!
Wonderful machine, but at $1900, I'll have to simply drool. Great product demo Marc and Gabby. Would love to have one but it's out of my price range. Love the quiet grind/operations and the automation. Superb. This is where they all need to get to.
Great review! Gabby mentioned that PEP (Pulse Extraction Process) is only used on the short specialities, such as espresso, ristretto and macchiato. Does that mean PEP also used on the flat white, cappuccino and latte macchiato? I haven't been able to find this answer anywhere.
Hi Geoggi, It uses PEP for every espresso-based drink (including flat white, cappuccino, latte macchiato). It doesn't use it for long coffee's, but rather puts a constant flow of water through the grounds throughout extraction. AJ
Hi CTPA, Thanks for the question. You can make a triple but you'd use 2 -3 brew cycles to get there. Triple is generally defined as shot made with >21g ground coffee. ENA 8 doses 6-10g per brew cycle. Marc
Hi Marc, Uisng ENA 8. Great machine and good coffee. I am using RO water which is like filtered water both for the water tank and also while performing the milk rinsing system. Would you recommend it or shall I use fresh tap water? I am in New Delhi and the tap water is not suitable for drinking. Also I use the Claris smart filter with it so no need to descale since the machine has not promoted to. Also when I clean the milk system, there is not as much foam as we see in the video and when I add water for final clean, the water doesn't come out consistently, there is lot of noise. Pls suggest what could b wrong . Thanks Manish
Hi Manish, Thanks sharing your opinion on the ENA 8. And thank you for your question and providing so much detail to aid in my response! I strongly recommend against using pure zero TDS RO water in any machine. I am very familiar with RO water treatment. My tap water is fine but I use one to make base water for my salt water reef aquariums. Starting with pure RO water as a base for salt mix helps to prevent algae growth. So why not use super pure water in your machine? Water is a very good solvent. Ultra-pure RO or distilled water is an even better solvent. So good it will pull ions from metal components and cause corrosion over time. I'm guessing your RO system uses all plastic components? I've never seen one which does not. Also, ultra-pure water with no mineral content will over-extract coffee causing bitter flavors. RO systems are widely used in commercial beverage service applications to prevent scale and support good flavor. In those applications RO water is always re-mineralized. This can be done by bypassing some water around the RO and adding it back or by using measured additives. Additives may sound daunting but it's quite easy and can be done using cheap baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) for alkalinity and Epsom salt (magnesium sulfate) for hardness. Here's my video on how to make your own additives: ruclips.net/video/iHI7jC0sQZo/видео.html If you go the additive route continue to use the in reservoir filter and you should never have to descale your machine. Use the filter in any current Jura as recommended and you will never have to descale. As to the cleaning of frothing components. I'm guessing you are seeing less foaming of the milk cleaning solution because you are adding to ultra-pure water which limits surface tension and bubble creation. Some noise on final milk system rinse is normal. But it might also indicate hard milk residue in the frothing components. Beyond the automatic cleaning cycles it's a good idea to take the frothing components apart for a deeper hand cleaning on a regular basis. I hope this information helps! Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for spending time on my query and the detailed explanation. It definitely helps. I always knew that RO reduces the minerals and the TDS level goes to pretty much zero. It sometimes is not good even to drink as we are not getting the required minerals. Yes RO systems have plastic components. You have a valid point that they might be taking out the metal components and cause corrosion. There might be scaling inside and that's causing the water spitting and spluttering noises during the cleaning process. Also yes, there will be less froth due to highly pure water. What I plan to do now is to descale it once with the Jura tablets and start using fresh tap water and set the TDS accordingly. Since I am using the Jura Claris, it would anyways not ask me to descale in the future. I guess this would stop the spitting and spluttering water sound during cleaning. Also when it says in the manual to use fresh cold water for the tank...does the water needs to be cold or regular tap water ar room temp is fine?? I appreciate the help Marc. Manish
Thanks for all the reviews (I think I watched them all several time by now!). ENA 8 seems good for me, but the amount of coffee brewed seems to be smaller compare to E8/S8. Does this affect the quality of the expresso or does the E8/S8 make stronger coffee?
Hi OF, Thanks for the question. All these machines can be programmed to deliver the liquid volume of espresso/coffee brewed for each drink individually. All have adjustable strength setting which adjust the ground coffee between 6 and 10g per brew cycle. Marc
Love all your reviews. Helping me to narrow down the selection. Just wondering if the order or the drinks on the screen is customizable? I can see using one or 2 drinks every day, but i worry that the hubby would have scroll through every time (and complain at me).
Hey Moseying, Screen order is not customizable. There are other Jura machines like the latest version of the E8 which allow you to customize drink position on the screen. Marc
Hi susan, Thanks for the question. Sorry for the delayed response - I was on vacation and offline last week. Anyway, You can do that as there is a setting for milk foam only but it will be a three step process. First make an espresso, then add hot water, then do the milk. Depending on preference you could change up the prep order. Marc
Hey RDA, here's some info regarding cleaning and hygiene certification of Jura automatic machines: us.jura.com/en/customer-advice/optimum-maintenance/tuv-certified-hygiene Marc
Why does Jura do milk volume volume in secs? Most coffee recipes tell you the portion of coffee to milk ratio in terms of volume. Wouldn't it be easier in volume?
Hi DG, That's a great question. Timing the milk in seconds is fairly common although I use some newer Gaggia machines like the Cadorna which does use liquid volume in either ml or oz. When frothing milk there are a bunch of variables which factor into how much volume you'll end up with. When frothed in machines like this milk expands due air added during the frothing process. But, different milk types expand/stretch to different volumes so Jura's reasoning to use timing is not having customers say I programmed for 120ml of milk froth but got 100ml. Customers might think something is wrong with the machine or it's innacurate. Marc
Hi Remilia, They are two separate distributors, thus the different numbers. It's also possible that the Quebec distributor has more support for French-speaking customers. AJ
Hi, I’ve just bought the Ena 8 and I don’t know why I don’t have the layers on the Latte Macchiato? I tried many times and coffee blends with the milk and doesn’t have the layers like in your video. Could you please help me with that... Thanks
Hi Sorina, I find that the layers in the latte macchiato often have a lot to do with the size and shape of the glass. Taller, narrower glasses tend to perform better. In this video at 5 minutes 55 seconds I'm using a glass from a beer flight, which I find works well for smaller ones: ruclips.net/video/RG54xUGxPFo/видео.html AJ
Thanks for the review. I noticed in AJs video and another video review that the hose connected to the milk container was the plastic tubing. Is the stainless steel housing not standard?
Hi Brian, You are welcome for the review and thanks for the questions. The stainless steel milk pipe casing is a sold separately accessory: www.wholelattelove.com/products/jura-hp2-milk-pipe-casing-1 Marc
Thank you for the great video. I wanted to ask, if you can use well water with the Jura Enamor 8 machine? We have well water at home.. Not sure if that can be used, or if we should use bottled water. Please let me know. Thank you so much.
Hey Nyc E, Thanks for the comment and question. In my experience well water is all over the place as far as quality. Some is not bad but I've run into well water which is very hard and has other issues like sulfur odor. IMO if your well water is safe for human consumption, not categorized as extra hard and doesn't have odd issues it should work in Jura machines without issue. I strongly suggest using the Jura in reservoir Smart Filter to protect the machine. Also... If you have not seen it check out our ENA 8 in home review. It'll give you a better idea of what it's like to use the machine on a daily basis: ruclips.net/video/RG54xUGxPFo/видео.html Hope that helps! Marc
I can’t seem to add a Siri shortcut using J.O.E I’ve tried to add the Jura to HomeKit and create a bespoke shortcut and I can’t seem to get it to work. Even the manufacturer don’t walk you through this in their smart connect instructions
Whole Latte Love many thanks The awesome Jura support walked me through it today For those who want to do this: -Open joe app -go to The list of drunk ie flat white -Hold on the drink and option will appear (ie strength, milk, heat etc) -Then swipe up and there should be an option to add to Siri and another for Apple Watch
Hi Mohammed, before the ENA 8 I had an E8 at home, so I can certainly compare. In my opinion, the ENA 8 wins in looks and style over the E8. I like being able to customize all parameters of drinks with a press-and-hold (vs. having to go into the menu in the E8). I also prefer the grouping of espresso/milk/hot water spouts on the ENA 8 because I never have to move my cup when preparing any drinks. The ENA 8 is also slightly smaller, which I prefer since I'm limited on counter space. The E8 wins in capacity - not only a larger water tank, bean hopper, and dreg drawer, but the dual spouts give you the option for two espresso drinks at once (by double-pressing espresso/ristretto/coffee). If you're making a high volume of drinks at home, the E8 may be the best choice. I also like that the E8 gives you two options for milk foam, instead of just the one on the ENA 8. Overall, they both have their advantages and which is "better" depends largely on your living and drinking circumstances. AJ
@@alkhail777 Both machines brew the same way, so the quality of the coffee will be identical when using the same beans and settings. The ENA 8 has 10 preset "drink specialties": Ristretto Espresso Coffee Cappuccino Espresso doppio Macchiato Latte macchiato Flat white Portion of milk foam Hot water The E8 has 16: Ristretto 2 x Ristretto Espresso 2 x Espresso Espresso doppio Macchiato Coffee 2 x Coffee Special coffee 2 x Special coffee Cappuccino Latte macchiato Flat white Portion of milk Hot water Hot water for green tea
Hi, Thanks for the question. It does not have Cortado on the menu but you can take a drink like the flat white and program espresso and milk volumes to produce a Cortado. Marc
Hello !! Looking to buy this in Massive Aluminum, but, you ever tested with Almond milk? Thanks for all the reviews, you did my research a lot easier, for sure i will buy trough your website! I know Literally the name of you Chanel is WHOLE lattelover, but i don't drink milk jejeje.. thanks!
Hi AA, Lol, Almond milk works well in super-automatic machines. Be aware there are many different varieties of almond milk and some do better than others. Marc
Great review of the machine...you guys are great! I'm looking into upgrading to a Jura machine from my deLonghi Perfecta...they look amazing. But I'm worried about having the patience to "clean" the milk system for 5 minutes after every daily use. My current deLonghi machine has a "milk rinse" feature that takes 10 seconds after making milk-based coffees. If I'm being honest with myself... I already see myself cheating to save time. Any lazy users out there that spread out the milk cleaning process (without sacrificing hygiene)?
Hi Johnny, I understand the concerns but Jura makes it pretty painless. This morning I timed myself doing the full milk clean - 2 minutes, 30 seconds, with only one swap for fresh water in the middle. This daily clean is definitely the right way to do it, but there are a couple failsafes to ensure sanitation. 15 minutes after a milk drink is prepared, the machine will rinse the milk system. Additionally, when turning off the machine it will automatically rinse the coffee and/or milk system (whichever was used). Note that these aren't full cleans and won't run water through the milk tube, but I've found myself relying on them when in a hurry, knowing I can do the full clean later. AJ
Jura's cleaner has a protein break down to clean all the milk out of the frother. You do not have to use it all the time if you rinse your frother and hose after you make a milk drink.
Wow, quite a difference and 10 levels step up from ENA8 to Z8 lol. Go big or go home. ? May I ask why you didn't go with S8 for example, right in the middle? I just ordered S8, haven't gotten it yet, but already contemplating if I should return and go all the way to Z8? How is Z8 for you so far, what do you like and dislike about it? Thank you
@@vladshults5395 Looking back I should have bought the S8! I was so let down with the flimsy tank I went overboard! I have had a dozen machines over the years and always enjoyed them. Go the S8 and I am sure it will be great for you!
I own the E8 and can say that it was a very very bad decision. He wants one cleaningtablet every 10 days, descaling with 3 tablet every 14 days (they're so expensive) Daily milk system cleaning very annoying. And on top of that comes the daily cleaning and disassembling of the water bowl and milk system. We're using 4-5 coffee a day and 1-2 milk coffee in evening.
Hi F., are you using a Jura Clearyl Smart filter in your E8? If so, you shouldn't have to descale at all. That may save you some money and frustration. As for the milk hose, it depends on the machine and milk glass you're using. The older model of the E8 has a little clip for the hose on the fine foam frother. If you're using a Jura milk container, I'd recommend tying the milk tube into itself and leaving it attached to the milk container. If you have the E8 G2 and are using a normal glass, you could either leave the milk tube dangling from the machine or just detach it and put it aside (as long as it's clean before storing). AJ
I hope in the future there will be a machine that really motion sensor also greet you a smart coffee/ latte / expresso/ Coco coco and quite when working. My ideas .from Sheriese.11/2021 futuristic machine.A hook up to Siri. Or goggle.
Hi SR, Sorry you are not finding coffee hot enough. Understand these machines deliver beverages at serving temps recommended by tasting professionals. One can get a hotter cup by preheating cups with hot water etc. Marc
Hi Jay, Thanks for the question. All machines require some cleaning. Honestly, IMO the process with Jura machines is more convenient than most other brands. The 2 chamber container for cleaning of milk system is awesome! Marc
She is way to sales oriented, not actually engaging properly... just memorising a script (The guy (Marc I think?) is really good though, really knowledgeable and professional, yet still maintains a personal connection to the viewer)
Hi AS, Thanks for the comment. Yes, Gabby is a Jura employee and has demoed the ENA 8 many times. Have a feeling you might find this video on the ENA more to your taste. It's a real world in-home review of the ENA 8. Should give you a better perspective on day to day use and capabilities in home environment: ruclips.net/video/RG54xUGxPFo/видео.html Marc
Whole Latte Love Ahh yes Thankyou, I found that review much more helpful. I appreciate the link. Thanks to your videos I think I have decided on the S8.
Different strokes for different folks. Super-automatic machines generally appeal to a different user than semi-auto's - those who are searching for convenience and ease of use/maintenance. They want great beverages, but may not have the time or desire to delve into the nuances and skills required for a semi-automatic machine. AJ
Time, convenience, and consistency. A superauto will never rival my best shots when I had a more conventional coffee-shop style setup. On the other hand, it will never make a bad shot like I sometimes would when I was sleepy or in a huge hurry. I get good, but not great, coffee every time I push the button. If your daily routine leaves you a ton of time to be your own barista, you should go old school. But for those of us with more hectic lives, the supeautomatic makes sense, especially in my house where we have four coffee drinkers with very different tastes.
This video is super helpful. I got my ENA 8 this week...and it is so much fun to use. Being able to change drinks by pre-programming and even after programming "on the fly" is a great feature.
Hi d m, happy to hear you found the video helpful! ENA 8 is a wonderful machine!
Marc
I have had an ena 8 for 4 years, despite careful compliance with the cleaning required for the first 2 years the machine has returned twice ... broken down .. the 3rd year again broke down given the price of the repair I completely disassembled the mechanical part of the machine: totally dirty.. I cleaned it, changed the seals.. it has been working well for over a year! but never rained from Jura!
Hey . Does the power cable come out from the back of the machine?
The machine is 44.5cm deep, my counter top is 45cm. If there's a big chunk of cable protruding out on the backside of the machine I'm out of luck.
Hi SG, The power cable does come out of the back. It is flexible and does not have a bulky connector plugging into the back. You'll need about 1.5cm of clearance for the flexible cable. The feet of the machine do not extend to the front edge of the drip tray so if you're okay with a 1 cm or so of drip tray overhanging the front edge of your counter you may be in luck!
hi, Marc, I enjoyed the ENA8 very much, but it's said I need to change the filter. it's out of stock everywhere. Can I use filtered water instead of using the Jura filter? Thanks
Hi Wonder, Yes you can use the machine without the in reservoir smart filter. The machine will know you are not using one and alert you to descale as needed. You will need to test the hardness of water you use and enter that info into the machine. If using water from another filter like a filtering pitcher or tap mounted be aware most do nothing to treat/reduce minerals so they do not reduce the water hardness like the in reservoir smart filter.
Marc
Thanks for the video. Can you tell me if the inside of the unit that come in contact with the milk, water, coffee is aluminum, stainless, or plastic and if plastic is it BPA free ? Thank you.
Hi T&M, You are welcome and thanks for the question. Internal thermoblock boiler is stainless steel lined. All plastics in contact with water, coffee, milk are certified food safe in EU/US.
Hi, I just got a new one but it does not come with milk container. Is it missed or I have to buy it separately?
Thank you
Hi bz, Jura machines generally do not include a milk container. The milk pickup tube can be placed in any container or Jura has these accessories:
www.wholelattelove.com/products/jura-glass-milk-container
www.wholelattelove.com/products/jura-capresso-stainless-steel-thermal-milk-container
www.wholelattelove.com/products/jura-cool-control-0-6-l-black-1
Marc
How does this machine stack up against the Gaggia Babila?
Great video guy's...Glad I saw this video before I asked for the Z8. I'll purchase mine next week! Cheers from Oz
Hey Warren, Thanks for the kind comment! Special place in my heart for Oz. Named my youngest daughter born in 2000 after your Olympic city! Years ago I worked with a Sydney native who came to the US. A great guy... perfect combo of friendly attitude. Also turned me on to some tasty single malts!
Marc
I'm struggling between the Jura Ena 8 and the Gaggia Babila...The milk carafe cleaning process seems a lot easier on the Babila and also seems to have less plastic on the Babila as well. So the question is, is the coffee leaps and bounds better on the Jura? Cause I am leaning towards the Babila but just curious how much better the coffee is on the Jura before making my decision...any help/thoughts would be much appreciated!! Thanks :)
Hi Clayton, Thanks for the question. A key feature of the Babila is the flow control on the coffee spouts. It allows one to fine tune a brew by restricting the flow when making espresso and increasing the flow rate when making larger cups of coffee. It also has more coffee grind settings to better fine tune flavor. The ENA 8 uses pulse extraction process PEP when making espresso which slows down brewing and turns that off when making larger cups. Babila has capabilities to make a better cup if one uses the grind size and flow rate to adjust. ENA 8 accomplishes something similar with PEP/non-PEP brewing but it's not as controllable. Both machines have plastic used in construction but the Babila has metal where it counts and overall is more robust. Hope that helps!
Marc
Is there a difference in the taste since this is only a small 10 mg dose?
Hi g, the 10g max dose per grind cycle is about what you'll get from most automatic machines regardless of manufacturer. It's in the upper dose range of singles made on semi-automatic (portafilter) machines. For reference, a traditional Italian single dose is 7g.
Marc
I am comparing the ENA 8 to the E8, now before purchase. Could you explain the two foam options of the E8? By the way, tell Jura I am buying one of their machines because of your channel!
Hi e, Thanks for the question. The ENA 8 does one type of froth while it's switchable on the E8 between steamed milk with very little air added and a fine foamed froth with more air added.
Marc
Thank you Marc for this video and many others before, I got my three fav machines thanks to your detailed reviews: Barista express (my first), Sevren and last but not least the best of them all Ena 8.. thank you for all your insights.
Hi MBAAM, You are most welcome! Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment.
Marc
Ena 8 which milk makes the best foam I have issues with the low fat milk it does not give me good milk foam
Hi KF, We always try to use whole fat milk for best results.
Marc
Thank you Marc. I just bought a Jura ENA 8 and liked it. I have a question: it's easy to clean the milk system on your video, but the instruction book said " The dual spout must be dismantled and rinsed daily". I didn't see that part on your video. Do I have to do that daily if I already clean the milk system daily?
Hi W, You are welcome and happy to hear you are liking the ENA 8. Frothing performance can decline if milk residues accumulate in the frothing components. So long as you do normal rinsing and cleaning using the cleaning product when done making milk drinks for the day taking it apart daily should not be necessary. I'm guessing some users are a little lax in the easy cleaning so Jura includes language like that in the manual.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Great. Thanks so much for your reply.
Great machine! Can I top-up a water tank when the machine is turned off? Or should I do it when it's on?
any way you want...just dont empty the tray when the machine is switched off..
Yes, you can fill the water tank at any time.
AJ
This was an excellent review. I was always curious about these machines. Very impressive.
Hi Mark, Thanks for the comment!
Marc
Can you do a double shot (two grind cycles) flat white? I want the drink to be at least 10-12oz in total.
Does the machine need to be on for the app to work?
Yes, it needs to be on for the app to work.
AJ
I was looking at the S8 but now this might be a better choice for me. Would be making 3-4 cups in the AM and 1-2 milk drinks at night. And the ENA is about $700 less than the S8.
Hi B, Thanks for the comment. The ENA 8 could make sense for your needs. If you have not seen already check out my coworker AJ's at home review of the ENA 8. May give you a better idea of day to day use/capabilities: ruclips.net/video/RG54xUGxPFo/видео.html
Hope that helps!
Marc
Just ordered this from you guys. I hope it makes a good up of flat white!
Hi JH, It does a fine job and thanks for your patronage!
Marc
Since when flat white is made out of milk froth?
Hi AV, There are regional differences but I most often see (and prefer mine) them made with a very finely frothed milk.
Marc
I'm considering this vs the Jura E8. I'm not that picky towards black coffee, but I am towards Latte/Caffé Macchiato. I had a JURA ENA Micro 9 One Touch that I loved, but it broke. I replaced it with a SIEMENS EQ9 but their milk froth is very disappointing. So, recommend Ena 8 or E8?
Hi N-K M, Thanks for the question. If you liked your ENA Micro 9 I'm guessing you'll like the ENA 8 as well. I happen to use a ENA Micro 90 at home. With the E8 you get higher capacities for beans, water, etc. Also can adjust milk froth on the E8 from more of a steamed milk to a froth. If using in a lower volume situation or counter space is a concern I'd go with the ENA 8. We have a very nice at-home review of the ENA 8 which may give you more insight on froth quality and daily use considerations of the ENA 8: ruclips.net/video/RG54xUGxPFo/видео.html
Hope that helps!
Marc
Just received my Ena 8 (after watching this presentation) and having my first cappuccino. It was pretty easy to set up. Know I just have
to adjust settings to my taste.
I noticed there is no program for a regular latte. Any advice how I can get that out of it?
Hi sami, Thanks for sharing your experience and the question. A lot of these types of machines do not have a specific "latte" setting. Reason is that would confuse Italian users. In Italian "latte" translates to "milk". Instead of latte they will make a latte macchiato. A few machines get the name correct by calling it a caffe latte. Anyway, very easy to get what we here in the US call a latte which in typical preparation uses a 1:5 ratio of espresso to milk. 2 ways you can do it. First way, make a latte macchiato. This will prep the milk first then brew espresso over the top. You'll end up with a layer of espresso in between 2 different milk densities. Once made just stir gently to combine the espresso in the middle with the bottom milk layer. Second way (and the one I like best) is to use the flat white as the base. This will make espresso first then froth the milk over the top just like a barista would do. No stirring needed but you may want to reprogram the drink to taste as the flat white preset is probably set at about a 1:2 espresso to milk ratio. Hope that helps and my apologies for a delayed response - I took a long and disconnected weekend.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage, I had the same questions since I mostly drink Soy latte. Any advise to get that silky smooth milk on top instead of being to frothy?
Great review! I just bought one and it appears the stainless steel cover for the milk pipe is included. I just opened the box and it's not. Is it supposed to be included? Thanks!
Hi Lisa, The stainless tube is not included. It's an accessory.
Marc
Wonderful machine, but at $1900, I'll have to simply drool. Great product demo Marc and Gabby. Would love to have one but it's out of my price range. Love the quiet grind/operations and the automation. Superb. This is where they all need to get to.
Hi W, Thanks for the comment!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Would I be able to use Almond Milk instead of regular milk for the cappuccino?
Weird, it's 1000$ in Europe...
1900 USD?
Great review! Gabby mentioned that PEP (Pulse Extraction Process) is only used on the short specialities, such as espresso, ristretto and macchiato. Does that mean PEP also used on the flat white, cappuccino and latte macchiato? I haven't been able to find this answer anywhere.
Hi Geoggi, It uses PEP for every espresso-based drink (including flat white, cappuccino, latte macchiato). It doesn't use it for long coffee's, but rather puts a constant flow of water through the grounds throughout extraction.
AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage Many thanks for the answer, I really appreciate it!
Hi, Can I make Triple shot expresso with this ENA 8 unit? I am not a coffee lover but my husband , so I am buying it for him. Thank You.
Hi CTPA, Thanks for the question. You can make a triple but you'd use 2 -3 brew cycles to get there. Triple is generally defined as shot made with >21g ground coffee. ENA 8 doses 6-10g per brew cycle.
Marc
Hi Marc, Uisng ENA 8. Great machine and good coffee. I am using RO water which is like filtered water both for the water tank and also while performing the milk rinsing system. Would you recommend it or shall I use fresh tap water? I am in New Delhi and the tap water is not suitable for drinking. Also I use the Claris smart filter with it so no need to descale since the machine has not promoted to. Also when I clean the milk system, there is not as much foam as we see in the video and when I add water for final clean, the water doesn't come out consistently, there is lot of noise. Pls suggest what could b wrong . Thanks Manish
Hi Manish, Thanks sharing your opinion on the ENA 8. And thank you for your question and providing so much detail to aid in my response!
I strongly recommend against using pure zero TDS RO water in any machine. I am very familiar with RO water treatment. My tap water is fine but I use one to make base water for my salt water reef aquariums. Starting with pure RO water as a base for salt mix helps to prevent algae growth. So why not use super pure water in your machine? Water is a very good solvent. Ultra-pure RO or distilled water is an even better solvent. So good it will pull ions from metal components and cause corrosion over time. I'm guessing your RO system uses all plastic components? I've never seen one which does not. Also, ultra-pure water with no mineral content will over-extract coffee causing bitter flavors.
RO systems are widely used in commercial beverage service applications to prevent scale and support good flavor. In those applications RO water is always re-mineralized. This can be done by bypassing some water around the RO and adding it back or by using measured additives. Additives may sound daunting but it's quite easy and can be done using cheap baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) for alkalinity and Epsom salt (magnesium sulfate) for hardness. Here's my video on how to make your own additives: ruclips.net/video/iHI7jC0sQZo/видео.html
If you go the additive route continue to use the in reservoir filter and you should never have to descale your machine. Use the filter in any current Jura as recommended and you will never have to descale.
As to the cleaning of frothing components. I'm guessing you are seeing less foaming of the milk cleaning solution because you are adding to ultra-pure water which limits surface tension and bubble creation. Some noise on final milk system rinse is normal. But it might also indicate hard milk residue in the frothing components. Beyond the automatic cleaning cycles it's a good idea to take the frothing components apart for a deeper hand cleaning on a regular basis.
I hope this information helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for spending time on my query and the detailed explanation. It definitely helps. I always knew that RO reduces the minerals and the TDS level goes to pretty much zero. It sometimes is not good even to drink as we are not getting the required minerals. Yes RO systems have plastic components. You have a valid point that they might be taking out the metal components and cause corrosion. There might be scaling inside and that's causing the water spitting and spluttering noises during the cleaning process. Also yes, there will be less froth due to highly pure water.
What I plan to do now is to descale it once with the Jura tablets and start using fresh tap water and set the TDS accordingly. Since I am using the Jura Claris, it would anyways not ask me to descale in the future. I guess this would stop the spitting and spluttering water sound during cleaning. Also when it says in the manual to use fresh cold water for the tank...does the water needs to be cold or regular tap water ar room temp is fine??
I appreciate the help Marc.
Manish
Marc.. What's your take on mineral water / bottled water
Hi Marc..the sputtering went away after descaling ..thanks for your tips..Is mineral/ bottled water fine to use
Thanks for all the reviews (I think I watched them all several time by now!). ENA 8 seems good for me, but the amount of coffee brewed seems to be smaller compare to E8/S8. Does this affect the quality of the expresso or does the E8/S8 make stronger coffee?
Hi OF, Thanks for the question. All these machines can be programmed to deliver the liquid volume of espresso/coffee brewed for each drink individually. All have adjustable strength setting which adjust the ground coffee between 6 and 10g per brew cycle.
Marc
Love all your reviews. Helping me to narrow down the selection. Just wondering if the order or the drinks on the screen is customizable? I can see using one or 2 drinks every day, but i worry that the hubby would have scroll through every time (and complain at me).
Hey Moseying, Screen order is not customizable. There are other Jura machines like the latest version of the E8 which allow you to customize drink position on the screen.
Marc
If i am making an Americano, if there a way on the Ena 8 to make an americano with Breve? is there a setting for steaming milk, half and half?
Hi susan, Thanks for the question. Sorry for the delayed response - I was on vacation and offline last week. Anyway, You can do that as there is a setting for milk foam only but it will be a three step process. First make an espresso, then add hot water, then do the milk. Depending on preference you could change up the prep order.
Marc
Which milk is BeSt to use with ena 8
Depends what you like - I like whole fat milk the best! But, lower fat and non-dairy milks work as well.
Marc
How is cleaning? I fear it might not clean as good as it should
Hey RDA, here's some info regarding cleaning and hygiene certification of Jura automatic machines: us.jura.com/en/customer-advice/optimum-maintenance/tuv-certified-hygiene
Marc
Will you be offering the "Massive" version (all aluminum with Chrome spout)?
Hi Russ, we are planning to carry the Massive Aluminum version when it is available in the US, potentially in June.
AJ
Why does Jura do milk volume volume in secs? Most coffee recipes tell you the portion of coffee to milk ratio in terms of volume. Wouldn't it be easier in volume?
Hi DG, That's a great question. Timing the milk in seconds is fairly common although I use some newer Gaggia machines like the Cadorna which does use liquid volume in either ml or oz. When frothing milk there are a bunch of variables which factor into how much volume you'll end up with. When frothed in machines like this milk expands due air added during the frothing process. But, different milk types expand/stretch to different volumes so Jura's reasoning to use timing is not having customers say I programmed for 120ml of milk froth but got 100ml. Customers might think something is wrong with the machine or it's innacurate.
Marc
Does this make regular coffee?
Hi Ann, yes there is a "coffee" preset on the ENA 8.
AJ
Just curious (because I love a large cup of coffee) what is the maximum ounces on a regular brew??
Hi Pauline, the maximum programmable volume of coffee is 8 oz (240 ml).
AJ
I just bought one - I'm used to big cups of coffee, so I end up doing 2 Flat Whites, one after the other to get what I need.
does it have different languages too?
Hi OB, Thanks for the question. Yes the ENA 8 has other languages that can be chosen.
Marc
5:15
that support number:
I live in quebec, and why is the number different than the rest of canada?
just curious
Hi Remilia, They are two separate distributors, thus the different numbers. It's also possible that the Quebec distributor has more support for French-speaking customers.
AJ
Hi, I’ve just bought the Ena 8 and I don’t know why I don’t have the layers on the Latte Macchiato? I tried many times and coffee blends with the milk and doesn’t have the layers like in your video. Could you please help me with that... Thanks
Hi Sorina, I find that the layers in the latte macchiato often have a lot to do with the size and shape of the glass. Taller, narrower glasses tend to perform better. In this video at 5 minutes 55 seconds I'm using a glass from a beer flight, which I find works well for smaller ones: ruclips.net/video/RG54xUGxPFo/видео.html
AJ
Thanks for the review. I noticed in AJs video and another video review that the hose connected to the milk container was the plastic tubing. Is the stainless steel housing not standard?
Hi Brian, You are welcome for the review and thanks for the questions. The stainless steel milk pipe casing is a sold separately accessory: www.wholelattelove.com/products/jura-hp2-milk-pipe-casing-1
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you. Have a great weekend and stay healthy.
Thank you for the great video. I wanted to ask, if you can use well water with the Jura Enamor 8 machine? We have well water at home.. Not sure if that can be used, or if we should use bottled water. Please let me know. Thank you so much.
Hey Nyc E, Thanks for the comment and question. In my experience well water is all over the place as far as quality. Some is not bad but I've run into well water which is very hard and has other issues like sulfur odor. IMO if your well water is safe for human consumption, not categorized as extra hard and doesn't have odd issues it should work in Jura machines without issue. I strongly suggest using the Jura in reservoir Smart Filter to protect the machine.
Also... If you have not seen it check out our ENA 8 in home review. It'll give you a better idea of what it's like to use the machine on a daily basis: ruclips.net/video/RG54xUGxPFo/видео.html
Hope that helps!
Marc
Can Oat or Almond milk be used?
Hi YY, Thanks for the question. Almond milk for sure. I have not tried oat milk.
Marc
Marc has an awesome voice
Yah he does. And gabby has a nice 🍑
What beans does Gabby use in the show room?
I can’t seem to add a Siri shortcut using J.O.E I’ve tried to add the Jura to HomeKit and create a bespoke shortcut and I can’t seem to get it to work. Even the manufacturer don’t walk you through this in their smart connect instructions
Hi SJ, The Siri shortcut is added as part of the Product (an individual drink/beverage) configuration.
Whole Latte Love many thanks
The awesome Jura support walked me through it today
For those who want to do this:
-Open joe app
-go to The list of drunk ie flat white
-Hold on the drink and option will appear (ie strength, milk, heat etc)
-Then swipe up and there should be an option to add to Siri and another for Apple Watch
Whole Latte Love Jura also told me today a WiFi connect module will be released next year which will bring native HomeKit and Alexa integration-
Can you make a comparison between ENA 8 and E8 which is better for home use
Hi Mohammed, before the ENA 8 I had an E8 at home, so I can certainly compare. In my opinion, the ENA 8 wins in looks and style over the E8. I like being able to customize all parameters of drinks with a press-and-hold (vs. having to go into the menu in the E8). I also prefer the grouping of espresso/milk/hot water spouts on the ENA 8 because I never have to move my cup when preparing any drinks. The ENA 8 is also slightly smaller, which I prefer since I'm limited on counter space.
The E8 wins in capacity - not only a larger water tank, bean hopper, and dreg drawer, but the dual spouts give you the option for two espresso drinks at once (by double-pressing espresso/ristretto/coffee). If you're making a high volume of drinks at home, the E8 may be the best choice. I also like that the E8 gives you two options for milk foam, instead of just the one on the ENA 8.
Overall, they both have their advantages and which is "better" depends largely on your living and drinking circumstances.
AJ
Whole Latte Love what about the quality of the coffee itself is it same ? And does Ena8 have more varieties or e8 as of options of coffee
@@alkhail777 Both machines brew the same way, so the quality of the coffee will be identical when using the same beans and settings.
The ENA 8 has 10 preset "drink specialties":
Ristretto
Espresso
Coffee
Cappuccino
Espresso doppio
Macchiato
Latte macchiato
Flat white
Portion of milk foam
Hot water
The E8 has 16:
Ristretto
2 x Ristretto
Espresso
2 x Espresso
Espresso doppio
Macchiato
Coffee
2 x Coffee
Special coffee
2 x Special coffee
Cappuccino
Latte macchiato
Flat white
Portion of milk
Hot water
Hot water for green tea
does this one make cortado ?
Hi, Thanks for the question. It does not have Cortado on the menu but you can take a drink like the flat white and program espresso and milk volumes to produce a Cortado.
Marc
is the milk jug included?
Hi stuie, The milk jug is not included :(
Marc
can make decaf?
Hi JA, Yes, You can use decaf beans or pre-ground using the bypass doser.
Marc
Hello !! Looking to buy this in Massive Aluminum, but, you ever tested with Almond milk? Thanks for all the reviews, you did my research a lot easier, for sure i will buy trough your website! I know Literally the name of you Chanel is WHOLE lattelover, but i don't drink milk jejeje.. thanks!
Hi AA, Lol, Almond milk works well in super-automatic machines. Be aware there are many different varieties of almond milk and some do better than others.
Marc
I will bye Jura...but i am hesitate between ena 8 and the e 8.
Hey Gaetan, we have an in-depth video comparing those two models. Hope this helps! ruclips.net/video/b1WN8W-OKY4/видео.html
Does the ENA 8 froth other types of milk, like oat or almond milk?
Hi CD, It can froth many non-dairy milks like almond and soy.
Marc
I like how Marc plays fool to get the video going.... 😂😂...
Did I hear right, only 10 gram shots?
Hi WrbW, Yes, the dosing range of the ENA 8 is 6-10g per brew cycle.
Marc
Sold thanks
Enjoy it!
Marc
Great review of the machine...you guys are great! I'm looking into upgrading to a Jura machine from my deLonghi Perfecta...they look amazing. But I'm worried about having the patience to "clean" the milk system for 5 minutes after every daily use. My current deLonghi machine has a "milk rinse" feature that takes 10 seconds after making milk-based coffees. If I'm being honest with myself... I already see myself cheating to save time. Any lazy users out there that spread out the milk cleaning process (without sacrificing hygiene)?
Hi Johnny, I understand the concerns but Jura makes it pretty painless. This morning I timed myself doing the full milk clean - 2 minutes, 30 seconds, with only one swap for fresh water in the middle. This daily clean is definitely the right way to do it, but there are a couple failsafes to ensure sanitation. 15 minutes after a milk drink is prepared, the machine will rinse the milk system. Additionally, when turning off the machine it will automatically rinse the coffee and/or milk system (whichever was used). Note that these aren't full cleans and won't run water through the milk tube, but I've found myself relying on them when in a hurry, knowing I can do the full clean later.
AJ
Anyone have a generic cleaner that can be used to save money on the cleanup?
Jura's cleaner has a protein break down to clean all the milk out of the frother. You do not have to use it all the time if you rinse your frother and hose after you make a milk drink.
I bought the new Ena 8 and found the new water tank to be kind of flimsy so I returned it and bought the Z8 model instead.
Hi Mark, Thanks for sharing. Z8 is a much larger machine!
Marc
Wow, quite a difference and 10 levels step up from ENA8 to Z8 lol. Go big or go home. ? May I ask why you didn't go with S8 for example, right in the middle? I just ordered S8, haven't gotten it yet, but already contemplating if I should return and go all the way to Z8? How is Z8 for you so far, what do you like and dislike about it? Thank you
@@vladshults5395 Looking back I should have bought the S8! I was so let down with the flimsy tank I went overboard! I have had a dozen machines over the years and always enjoyed them. Go the S8 and I am sure it will be great for you!
@@marksaur8018 thank you for the reply and advise!
I like the crystal detail on the water tank. Seems this machine can do everything but make a mess?! 😝
Anyone can make a mess if you try hard enough, but this machine sure does make it difficult!
AJ
I just got the E8 Crome over this one. I don’t like the look of the water tank on the side.
I own the E8 and can say that it was a very very bad decision. He wants one cleaningtablet every 10 days, descaling with 3 tablet every 14 days (they're so expensive) Daily milk system cleaning very annoying. And on top of that comes the daily cleaning and disassembling of the water bowl and milk system. We're using 4-5 coffee a day and 1-2 milk coffee in evening.
And after 2 month of using I still don't know where to put the milkhose when the milkglas is at the fridge.
Hi F., are you using a Jura Clearyl Smart filter in your E8? If so, you shouldn't have to descale at all. That may save you some money and frustration. As for the milk hose, it depends on the machine and milk glass you're using. The older model of the E8 has a little clip for the hose on the fine foam frother. If you're using a Jura milk container, I'd recommend tying the milk tube into itself and leaving it attached to the milk container. If you have the E8 G2 and are using a normal glass, you could either leave the milk tube dangling from the machine or just detach it and put it aside (as long as it's clean before storing).
AJ
I hope in the future there will be a machine that really motion sensor also greet you a smart coffee/ latte / expresso/ Coco coco and quite when working. My ideas .from Sheriese.11/2021 futuristic machine.A hook up to Siri. Or goggle.
I recently bought this machine but the coffee is not hot enough
Hi SR, Sorry you are not finding coffee hot enough. Understand these machines deliver beverages at serving temps recommended by tasting professionals. One can get a hotter cup by preheating cups with hot water etc.
Marc
what about extra sugar :P
Hi KN, Add sugar manually?
Marc
Need this
Hi Karebear, it really is a great machine and is available now for purchase at www.wholelattelove.com/products/jura-ena-8-espresso-machine-in-black
AJ
Nice 👍🏻
Hi Soul, Thanks for the comment and thanks for subscribing!
AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage I can make lungo for this machine?
Why does Jura have such an extensive cleaning process? Other competitor machines, don't go to all this trouble!
Hi Jay, Thanks for the question. All machines require some cleaning. Honestly, IMO the process with Jura machines is more convenient than most other brands. The 2 chamber container for cleaning of milk system is awesome!
Marc
She is way to sales oriented, not actually engaging properly... just memorising a script
(The guy (Marc I think?) is really good though, really knowledgeable and professional, yet still maintains a personal connection to the viewer)
Hi AS, Thanks for the comment. Yes, Gabby is a Jura employee and has demoed the ENA 8 many times. Have a feeling you might find this video on the ENA more to your taste. It's a real world in-home review of the ENA 8. Should give you a better perspective on day to day use and capabilities in home environment: ruclips.net/video/RG54xUGxPFo/видео.html
Marc
Whole Latte Love
Ahh yes Thankyou, I found that review much more helpful. I appreciate the link. Thanks to your videos I think I have decided on the S8.
Albert Smallwood NP my pleasure! Marc
I dont understand why getting a jura instead of a proper barista machine. 🤦🏻♂️
Agreed
Different strokes for different folks. Super-automatic machines generally appeal to a different user than semi-auto's - those who are searching for convenience and ease of use/maintenance. They want great beverages, but may not have the time or desire to delve into the nuances and skills required for a semi-automatic machine.
AJ
Time, convenience, and consistency. A superauto will never rival my best shots when I had a more conventional coffee-shop style setup. On the other hand, it will never make a bad shot like I sometimes would when I was sleepy or in a huge hurry. I get good, but not great, coffee every time I push the button.
If your daily routine leaves you a ton of time to be your own barista, you should go old school. But for those of us with more hectic lives, the supeautomatic makes sense, especially in my house where we have four coffee drinkers with very different tastes.
He looks like Tony Danza - millennial edition.
Hahaha... Well I'll take that as a compliment. Tony is older than me but we're both in the Boomer generation. I'm about to turn 56!
Marc
Darn Gabby, be wary with Mark. He has such a depraved face😂
Hey jk, Gabby and I are great friends!
Marc