Andrew Neil - 'I don't see how Macron recovers from this' | SpectatorTV
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2024
- The first round of Macron’s snap election gamble has put Marine Le Pen’s National Rally party in pole position for a majority in France’s lower house. With the second round of voting still to come, can Emmanuel Macron come back from this? And with Jean-Luc Melenchon coming second, what kind of picture does it paint for the future of politics in France? Spectator Chairman Andrew Neil and journalist Anne-Elisabeth Moutet speak to Freddy Gray.
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Just goes to show how out of touch the political elites are.
European elites have been, and are nazist!
Totally
What a ridiculous thing to say that there is “no good outcome for France”. Le Pen winning and getting rid of Macron would be incredible!!!!
That's at least two years in the future though. Until then, France will be in a political deadlock at best.
The term far right is used by the global elites to control the peasants
Exactly! 7 years of Macron. The French are saying "Enough is Enough" We don't have PR here in the UK, unfortunately. But maybe PR rather than FPTP is the future.
It has to be tudar!!!!
France is a functioning democracy with a healthy PR system.
It reflects what the French people want.
Describing the Conservative Party as "the right" is laughable.
Sone people on the far left even call the Tories far right. Double laughable .
i know hilarious
Zero seats
Populist is just a word Neil likes to use for the working class.
Populist =/= popular
Macron seems a total fool.
I feel that may be true as well
He is still gambling that by the next Presdential eleciton in 3 years that people will turn against the right and move back to the center but time will tell.
He is a total fool and full of himself and full of it.
"It's time to punish the unvaccinated" - Andrew Neil
Never forgive. Never forget.
That Andrew Neil, I'd almost forgotten thank you.
Low life.
Thanks for reminding us.
they got away with it 🤷♂
They might have got away with it, but they didn't win.
Their true nature was revealed to so many of us. I dont think they'd get away with it again.
Neil wanted to punish those who wanted to think for themselves. Sounds like a dictator to me. Thanks for letting me know.
france is simply protecting borders. markets will love it.
Labour better build those millions of houses, reservoirs, power plants and train those GP’s. They can’t afford to be catastrophic failures like the previous Tory and Labour Governments. Rent slaves with no house, no family, no hope and no health care, will vote in ways that Starmer and the Establishment won’t like.
Mass immigration will destroy the next government's spending plans.
They wont deliver anything.
You will get some more weird and useless gender stuff, even more draconian censorship and surveillance, more immigration, more debt, more impoverishing environmental austerity and higher prices, that’s about it.
In other words, more of the same and faster.
You can build 1 million houses per year.
Still not enough to match immigrant demand!
Labour full of hot air. We know they will teenage in everything and bankrupt the country.
Hopefully Marine Le Pen will make big head way in the elections
I hear that she’s less of a fan of the U.K. than macron
Yes
The left, woke, progressive way of life is over. IT DOESN'T WORK KIND OF LIKE COMMUNISM, yet they keep trying it. Fools.
Doubt it. They will do well at this election. Bit french presidential will be far harder to win. More people dislike her than like her. Likely whoever the opposing candidate is will win simply because more people will dislike her
@@siblej1we don’t need fans of the uk we need someone in France who is a fan of France and not the invaders infection all of Europe you really think they will be allowed to travel through France under a real right wing government don’t be silly. You best pray for your children’s sake the hard right start winning all over Europe including here unless you have offspring to the boat men that is 🤮🤮
The arrogant guy who said he wanted to make life hell for the unvaccinated might get kicked to the curb and humiliated? I call it Karma!
What if it's a plan , what if it's simply theatricals and now they want out ?
There was a lot of fearmongering over Georgia Meloni, how did that work out?
It's okay, Andrew - you'll still be allowed to get to your chateau in the South of France. 😉
His gamble made 0 sense to begin with, there was no evidence they would win.
His Gamble is still playing out, that the right will be poorly and by the Presidential election in 3 years people will go back to Macron but we will see.
So he’s not Jupiter after all. 🤣
Probably advised by Sunak's cabal. Completely out of touch, they thought they could put a fright into their respective electorates.
Look closer - it's a trend it's deliberate , planned - they retreat , dissapeare and leave chos , anarchy behind .
What a ladylike presenter. Not allowable on BBC, where we need DEI scruff mispronouncing Walkin, Talkin and Votin.
So refreshing, indeed.
“Mispronouncin” surely. One thing I have noticed is how many parees are standing candidates in these elections.
😂😂😂 the Centrist Global Uniparty Hegemony is smashed 😂😂😂
That never existed.
@@drscopeify yes it does, we see it with climate change, immigration, Lockdowns, speech controls etc etc.
We haven't had any opposition, just Uniparty consensus on these HUGE things.
If you don't think it exists then you probably aren't thinking of that which I imagine, maybe taking the phrase to literally or something?
@@drscopeify They speak of the mainstream western liberal politics, the one that manifests globally in its opposition to non-western block countries ability to govern themselves through international institutions and American military power.
The same institutional hegemony manifests domestically in the West, and more than ever since COVID.
Anne-Elisabeth Moutet is rather good isn't she.
No. She is a snob. I thought she was British the way she speaks English but I guess not. She’s a walking advertisement for National Rally. She knows nothing of the difficulties of the average French citizen. I bet she is a millionaire.
Okay. Go ahead. I’m sure you want to delete my comment now.
“Adorable,” as they say in French :)
voluble, certainly.
So what exactly is the populist right ? Perhaps we should have a little less intellectual speculation , and a lttle more direct action.
People who actually work for a living rather than just have convos all day from their cushy apartments.
Populist right for the elites means disdain for the peasant, AKA working people
The managerial class are being given a bloody nose, and they're being reminded that power lies with the people.
Whether they listen, or double down on their insanity, remains to be seen.
Managerial class. I like it. That's what they are, jumped up managers 😂😂😂
Truss was naive. Andrew Bailey in conjunction with Treasury civil Servants screwed her on behalf of the Establishment. Hopefully Le Pen was watching.
Wake up msm. The DAVOS group is collapsing! Yeah! 🤣🤣
Lest we forget, the European Common Market which evolved to become the EU happened at a time when Europe was essentially homogenous culturally and economically - we shared Common values. But then in the last three decades or so Europe has undergone a profound change - we witnessed mass immigration from the non European world, de industrialisation (shifted all to China), rampant globalisation - all resulting in making these lands shockingly heterogeneous. The rise of Wokism and IslamoFascism was the final straw. If we don’t fight for European values and nationalism now it would soon be too late, this is the last change. May the National Rally set the trend.
Isn't Sir Kier who will win a massive majority part of the Davos crowd?
@briangasser973 all the political parties apart from Reform, are globalists. They directly ruled by DAVOS/Bilderberg group. Its how the EU came about ,then they took over all goverments.
@@briangasser973 he definitely is! Said he prefersxDavos to Westminster.
Neil (a dubious character indeed) talking on behalf of Est. to the Est. for the Est.. Well, change is afoot.. One race is run, and another is about to start!
The blinkered, bigoted minds of these people are impossible for me to comprehend. They genuinely seem completely unable to see things from other people's point of view. They seem unable to even annunciate the words which approximately describe the hopes and fears of others. We scoff at the maniacal religious certainties of mediaeval zealots, but their like live among us still
@@robertcook2572 l read the exact same paragraph on wiki .....😅
Vote Reform. Save Britain.
Just like Brexit? Did that save us?
It won't make any difference with Labour majority.
…by splitting the Tory vote…
classic Russian bot banter
@@danconceptsconveyed6617 yes it did.
@11:04. "All the major cities are labor ..."
Were they not so for the past 200 years? The factories came up in towns and cities. Any villages they came up in did not remain villages. That's what the Industrial Revolution did. The communist manifesto was not meant for an agrarian economy. Not much labor in the countryside to pay for labor unions .
Viva Le Pen
We need Reform in the UK.
Vote Reform Uk this coming Thursday
and use a pen
@@Bene-FXBut be careful that the ink doesn’t smudge on the opposite side of the paper when you fold it - it could render the slip ‘spoiled’ as you might end up with a cross in two boxes.
Be careful.
The liberal elite globalist politicians want to smear Farage & Reform UK with all these Channel Four news reports about racism, misogyny, homophobia, islamophobia, anti Jewish comments by party members.
VOTE REFORM 🗳️🇬🇧
and use a pen
@@Bene-FX you do realise there are better, faster ways to fix a vote than to go around rubbing someones cross out and putting it in another box? -.-
@@Azareatth enlighten me ?
@@Bene-FX Use a Le Pencil.
This lady's English is a touch old fashioned and very charming. 'His name is mud' and 'wishy washy'.
“American racialism.” 😆😅😂🤣
@@januarysson5633 That bit was *100% SPOT ON.* American racial identity politics is the most toxic cult to ever emerge from the sewage of U.S. academia.
she's grand. a true grandee. how can you not like her?
@@dindu551 She must have survived the French Revolution.
She's granddaughter of a French Colonial Diplomat, Marious Moutet. She's got that breeding and arrogance that led to the French Revolution.
How in the hell is Keir Starmer a Centrist???
He’s of course a looney Far Left.
At what stage does a political party changed from trying to get as many votes as possible by appealing to as many voters as possible become populist?
Labour will have only one disastrous term in the UK
They did fine under Blair. If it is an Atlee one term govt, it will be a success. A center left govt may nor be bad for the UK
@@briangasser973Blair’s government went to war, squandered our exchequer’s surplus, engorged the public sector and destroyed the sovereignty of our commons. But go on…explain what went well please?
The Dimocrats in USA also only had one term. Sadly enough to nearly destroy a nonce great nation.
Ha..ha..
Bye Bye Marcon.
The COUNTRY needs Li Pen for Saving COUNTRY and Generatoin.
The portrait of Andrew Neil is very Alan Partridgesque - and especially fitting given the damage he has done to his media career.
God Save the King and let’s f’ing go Nigel!!! 🇬🇧 🇬🇧 🇬🇧
Just maybe the saviour of Labour very well could be Le Penn! By that I mean IF Lepenn ends up taking over and actually cracks down on illigal immigrants in France this could very well help Labour as all those illigal immigrants sitting on the channel waiting for a small boat to England will no longer be there! We can just hope can’t we!
Amusing to hear AFN harrumphing off camera after being out talked by AEM. She's a card. He's a francophile and always good value. A great discussion. Bring these two on again Freddy.
so you're saying is that La France was having some "mostly peaceful protests"
When did center left become far right?
France have a Rigging-system that could be bent in favour of establishment in time of emergency like last week RN 33.14% win, on 5th July 2nd round this Rigging-system would be activated in favour of Macron
we have to put proportionnal system...
Its not rigging its the design of the French system since 1950s.
Forget the "rigging system " , beware of people's anger , the slumber is ending !
netzero, high immigration are not center positions...they're far left. The center have gone far left. They can bugger off as far as I'm concerned
The WEF will find a way of keeping their guy in place....let's hope not .
nah all the other parties will gang up on Le Penn
Yes I agree.
Marine Le Penn does speak English !!!
Is Starmer articulate in French.
Absolutely fantastic news... VOTE REFORM
Anne-Elisabeth Moutet is wonderful… lifts my heart :)
This lady is wrong claiming National Rally doesn’t speak English. I’ve just listened to an interview with Talk TV with a French NR guy speaking better English than I speak French.
Andrew looks like he enjoyed himself too much last night.
Lose Neil (he's starting to do a Biden) and keep Moutet.
How you can possibly blame this on America instead of the Islamic influence, or the French is wild. Ya know what. You get what you deserve for not calling it what it is.
America is the root of all evil in the world.
when the squishy center is to scared to try to stop the worst aspects of the left, people search for those that will
As has happened before, the centre and left will unite and use tactics to reduce the Le Pen’s vote share in the second round to ensure no majority is obtained.
Mr Neil and Ms Moutet two of the best political commentators around...always fascinating.
The lady saying the far-left of France got racialism from America, as if racialism doesn’t pop up anywhere there’s rapid change in racial makeup, which has occurred in France and the whole of the west of course. That rapid change also explains why cities are leftists and racialized, but rural areas aren’t that.
I didn't think the UKs FPtP system could be topped, but the french system is even worse than ours!
? The French system is great. You can express your top preference freely in the first round.
Then, you choose a concensus candidate in the second.
It's only 'worse' for those who want to predict an election result in advance.
@@emceaboom I disagree.
An election should be a single choice at one point in time... Not an opportunity to gang up, or create tactical voting to edge out a popular group when everyone knows the wind direction.
I'd go as far as staying this is the worst kind of election outside vote rigging.
Anne-Elisabeth's accent is totally fantastic
I think he's being a man of his word. Want someone else? Have at it. I'll just retire with untold riches and laugh when the idiots burn it down.
National Rally people not very clubbable! LOL
Your lady guest, in addition to being terribly attractive, is very, very knowledgeable about French politics. Great and informative blog.
As an impartial point: the two round system seems very inefficient and ineffective. Australia's preferential voting system is much more efficient and it prevents people from feeling like they wasted their vote.
Screw Macron ... what about Joe. Who will be the demo candidate in the 11 th hour.
Remember the 1972 Olympics? Anybody?
Know the Nostradamus prophecy on events taking place at/around the Olympic games ? Anyone ?
@adrianabarbulescu9270
Never read or know Nostradamus. Sounds like the guy who enterperates the Bible for the Jehovah Witnesses.
Makes no difference as there is not a politician on the planet at present who's not a puppet.
Neil must be delighted!
Saying zionist is same thing as jewish is insult to jewish people.
An introduction to French elections. Elections are in two "tours" the first is open to any parties or independents. To win outright in the first tour a party must gain 51% of all the votes cast "and" 25% of the entire electorate. This prevents someone profiting from a low turnout. In the second tour, only the top two are allowed to present in each constituency. There can be a certain amount of coalitions formed and parties joined. The winning candidates can then if they have a majority take power or lesser parties can again form a coalition. Bare in mind that this has no effect on the President, he remains until the end of his tenier. The President then choses ministers of state including Prime Minister. It is entirely normal for people to make protest votes in the first tour, and obviously supporters of minority groups will gravitate to their closest candidate ideologically in the second tour. Paradoxically a good result in the first tour ça be detrimental to that party in the second. Imagine a second Brexit vote after people had been startled by the initial result.... Et maintenant, on verra !!!
Macron must now truly understand that negative emotion is more powerful than positive emotion
All my life time (over eighty years) France has been a third right, a third middle and a third left. Le Pens party got 33.2 per cent of the vote! The left is very wide and split. The middle is very varied but moderate. The political system the French have allowed them to keep a 'balance for decades. It seems this is continuing!! If the right get real 'profile' they will soon get push back. e.g. They want to reduce fuel duty from 20 percent to five? Will that work??? ....David in France.
😅 macaroon is done!
Hope he buggers off to Cameroon 😂
"Macron's gamble has backfired..." He didn't have a mandate after he EU elections so I understand why he called an election. It is not about clinging to power when the public has moved on from you.
Thank you.
France and Russia cozy up, Germany and the Low Countries get nervous, Britain looks to play both sides against the middle. I think I saw this movie before?
Orban must be looking at France and laughing his head off.
This is a development straight from Giuseppe Lampedusa's Il Gattopardo. Much is being changed so that nothing is changed. Le Pen would never have won otherwise.
geeeee doesn't she talk
weird thing i've noticed that no one else will care about, is the French refer to Macron as Jupiter, where in the UK we wouldn't refer to someone as Zeus, but we would more likely use the Greek form of a God than the Roman form, weird hey
It's Edward Heath all over again. I want to determine who's in charge - and the answer was, not you matey. Honestly Macron had another three years in charge - albeit it with a weaker government than in the last parliament.
And now ? .......
Not sure about a much touted rural urban divide. Liberal Party of Canada just lost one of its core urban ridings - the one they held for the last 30 years none the less, in Toronto to their conservative rivals. the reality is that urban dwellers by and large care about those same bread and butter issues that are a primary focus of residents in less urbanized locales.
FIRST!! HOORAY FOR MOI!
Metropolitan areas are centre left left leaning for a reason. When those areas are the habitual destination of non natives and the political blob in their bubbles, that is what you get. And I believe it is a misrepresentation to argue that small towns and rural areas are faaar right merely because they are traditional patriots.
Id love to see Andrew Neils garden there behind him. Looks fabulous 😊
Ever thought Macron just got sick of it all?
don,t forget the IrishhMEPs
Wait till the second round. The mass of French will dive for the centre. They always do.
When your opponent is on a roll, gaining momentum, you call timeout to disrupt them. Macron did the opposite thing. The far right had the momentum, fresh off their victory in the EU election. Macron gave them a chance to enhance their momentum.
Le Pen is mightier than the Sword.
Awesome episode. Keep up the good work!
I remember communists would go to Moscow for training, not NY/LA
Mr Neil is correct in saying that the EU is not the place we left. However not because of probably relatively marginal and reversible gains by the right , but because Brussels has greatly increased the degree and depth of its power at the expense of the national states,
The French lady was interesting in that she was able to speak with authority about the possible cat fight that will erupt over the standing down process between the French liberals and what in many ways is the far left . A left that is far more interested staging violent demonstrations that in administration. She speculates what effect this might have on basically conservative voters who until now have not supported M. Le Pen. What is this issue about urban v suburban/ rural ? Urban areas have always generally elected lefties on the whole, but there are swings. In 2019 in particular the Tories took inner city areas.
We are tired of the lefts shit. If that makes me a “populist”, then so be it
Les Republicains died with Sarkozy and Fillon.
There was a book about it many years ago i read, called "Metro and Retro".
Good go back to your old job at the glue factory
Excellent analysis
Thank God France is awakening from its slumber. FRANCE FOR THE FRENCH!!
Well, Neill appears to have recovered just fine after some appalling comments through the Covid debacle, so I don't see why he can be so cynical about Macron's future
If Starmer fails? That is a racing certainty
It was indeed a failed gamble. And a vain self-overestimation too. He must have known how wrong it would turn out. He did what he did instead of letting go for the sake of the common good. Although not equally evil like the butcher of khan younis, he still rivals him in terms of psychopathic personality traits. Proud beyond all limitations, he’s incapable of true empathy. He did not try to save his government nor France. He sacrificed her on the slaughtering block because he couldn’t have her for himself. She will now walk into the darkness, so will the European Union, and what little light is left shining, Ukraine, Russia, Gaza, China and India will blow it out. Global warming will wash the remainders into the sea. The last human will stand on the shore, looking out to her. Won’t be me. Dun’t matter. Peace on earth.
Global warming is just the climate changing as it has done over the aeons.
Nothing can be done to change the climate.
Describing the current Tory party under Sunak as right wing is laughable.
This lady is articulate and does a glass very well
Starmer, Macron, Trudeau… what’s the difference? Hint: none.
Andrew Neil needs to get out more, if he thinks rural areas tend to be more conservative than our cities. Britons are inherently conservative (especially the Working Class); but they are far from being on the 'right' of politics. We live in rural Somerset, where agriculture is the main industry, locally. But one only needs to travel to Taunton to realise that most of those who work for Government (Teachers, Police, Local Government officials, etc) are on the Far Left; if not outright Communists. The intolerance is all from those on the Far Left. I would oprefer to say that those of us who still live in rural areas are simply more 'ENGLISH' than our fellow-citizens in towns and cities.
Looks, it's not right for Andrew to throw aspersions on Starmer's level of geopolitical experience - I mean Starmer may be a buffoon in that respect, but Labour have in their ranks a towering geopolitical giant in... Lammy. So credit where credit's due - Lammy only has to walk into any negotiating room and the world leaders all around will feel instantly cowed by the sheer weight of his personality and agree to almost everything he says, just for the reflected glory.
Oh god that Lammy bloke is nauseating. He’s a total racist.