Rocknroll Homes in Chelsea! Lydon, Stones and Bowie.
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2024
- Did you ever want to know where Lydon lived in London? The Stones? or Bowie? Me too! So when I was in London, these are some of the first places I wanted to visit.
See where Lydon lived after the Sex Pistols and where he formed his legendary group PIL. I also show how it looks today compared to when Lydon lived there. Also nearby is the first flat the Rolling Stones ever lived and where Brian Jones, Keith Richards and Mick Jagger started to make music in 1962.
Lastly I visit the famous house where David Bowie lived during the height of Ziggy Stardust fame before he moved to the U.S. in the later 70's. These are historic places in rocknroll history!
#sexpistols, #johnlydon, #johnnyrotten, #sidvicious, #rollingstones, #davidbowie, #rockmusic, #pil, 
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Thanks for this love your videos
Thank you!
Hi Maggie fantastic value and informative video darling. I think it is my favourite one so far. I thoroughly enjoyed this. Every rock star is someone I admire. Brilliant stuff ❤😂🎉
Thanks for tuning in again Mimi! I'm glad you enjoyed this one.
No way Lydon or the stones could have afforded to live there if they had just started out now. Great video as usual 👍
Thank you! I agree. It's crazy expensive there now. And I liked the way he had it before as well. Rock'n'roll and casual. Now it looks like a hotel inside.
Nice tour! Thanks for sharing this❤
@@winnipegperfectcircleflyin7859 can you expand more on that
Thanks for watching!
Great little tour video. I actually went and sought out Lydons place when I was in London 10 years ago. I was surprised how close it was to the old Sex shop. Love how the early PiL days were sort of centered in that apartment. There's awesome old film footage of PiL in that place on RUclips, that Don Letts shot back then. Definitely check that out. I wish I knew The Stones flat was so close by! Would have loved to see it in person. I'm a big Pistols, Stones and Bowie fan, so this video was a great watch. I definitely can relate to your excitement. I stood out front of Worlds End and just stared at it, thinking of the history and all the characters that milled around there in 76-77. Thanks for making this. Keep up the good work!
Thank you for watching! Yes, the Stones flat is only a few minutes walk from Lydon's old place. Gunter Grove and Edith Grove are not very charming streets, in my opinion, but it's all very expensive there anyway. I was very excited to see all of these places, especially Bowie's place on Oakley and Lydon's flat. It's so interesting to see places up close and imagining all the people going in and out at that time. Rcoknroll history!
I remember when John lived in the Gunter Grove house in c.1978-1982 I used to pass it quite often back then and it was very run down and all the exterior painted parts were a really dull dirty dark red colour and all the paint was peeling off,and as you noted it didn`t have any kind of railings or safety rail around the flat roof area where we saw pictures of him him and PiL hanging out and boozing it up,he`s lucky nobody ever went over the edge!
How interesting that you were walking down that street back then. Outside, it doesn't look that nice now, to be honest. Some of the houses on the street look a little run down, even though it's very expensive. It's a very busy street. Yes, no railings back then at all! In one photo, Lydon has one leg over the edge.
Bowie and the Stones definitely deserve a plaque!😊
Thank you for the trip down memory lane. Used to share a squat in Solon Rd with Jim Walker. Great days indeed.
Wow, that's interesting! I wonder if he still plays. I went to the first PIL show in Dec. 1978 and I thought all of them were fantastic.
I am very familiar with this neighborhood. I’ve hung out at the Fox & Pheasant (pub) just around the corner off of Fulham Rd. I didn’t realize he lived there. Btw~ the Fox & Pheasant is owned by James Blunt.
6:25 A keen investor, this was Lydon's first home that he bought with royalties from his music.
Can't wait to go back to London and see some of these places. I haven't been there since the 90's as well. Long time....😢
Whatever makes your day, I guess
Another great video!..I noticed you referenced my comment from an earlier video about Johhny Rotten/Lydon still having a property in London,I won`t say exactly where it is but it is a three-storey terraced house in a quiet street running just off of Fulham Palace Road very near the Fulham Football Club stadium and my own house in Stevenage Road which is why I see him around the area occasionally because he stays in his house when he`s touring England.And when here on other music business matters too I expect.😁
Oh yes, that was you! Thanks for that info. It's so interesting how he has stayed in the same area all of these years, that's why I mentioned it in the video. He was probably tired of busy Gunter Grove and chose a nice quiet street in Fulham instead. I love Fulham. I once stayed with friends in a flat on a busy street in Fulham, I can't remember the name, but I thought the entire area was so charming. I remember walking up and down the high street. Thanks again!
Awsome video. I really enjoy all the work you put into them.
Thank you very much!
What a lovely vid, interesting as well...I'm a massive Stones fan so I'll have to pop down to see Edith Grove/Chelsea from Edinburgh sometime.
Keep up the good work 👌🎵
Thanks for watching! I loved visiting their Edith Grove flat because of that early publicity photo shot in the street. I bet they never could have imagined what happened in the coming years. So historic!
Yet another sincerely made video from great aficionado Maggie.
I'm vicariously visiting London via Maggie's videos. Being from near Manchester, I only went to London a few times, in the '70s and '80s for concerts and Alice in Wonderland club events. I left Britain in the mid '80s and have been living in Asia since, with few visits back to England. Therefore it's great to be viewing these sights from Maggie while currently in India through the miracles of technology.
Thank you sooooo much, Maggie for introducing me to me to parts of Britain I've personally never been to! Onyaz!!!
Thanks for watching and the compliment! I remember the Alice in Wonderland club but I don't think I went there. I did go to the Batcave in the summer of 1985. That was also a great time in music. Thanks again!
@@WhyNotGoPlaces I remember the Alice in Wonderland club,I think it was in the same converted old house in Soho on the corner of Dean Street and Meard Street in the same rooms known as Gossips which hosted the clubs I went to after gigs around the corner in Wardour Street at the Marquee Club such as Batcave Club,the Pipeline Club,Buttz n`Spikes Club,Gaz`s Rockin` Blues club .The building had nightclubs in it as far back as the 1950s when it was called The Gargoyle Club and artists like Francis Bacon used to hang out there.
Thank you for sharing worked on the Kings RD for 3 years in the late 70s. I believe the plaques are put up 20 years after theiir death,
Thanks for watching! That must have been a great time.
Good result on the hotel room . Wished I had known that John lived at Gunter in 1979 and into the 1980s I was around there as a 13 year old and loved punk . We could have knocked for John and I could have jammed a bit since I was playing guitar. What a shame ha ha .
Thanks again for watching Mike! How great you lived in the area at that time. I love Chelsea. Gunter Grove isn't as posh looking as other Chelsea streets, but I guess it's still very expensive.
🎶 "...You never listen to a word that I say'ay..." or) "...getting rid of the albatross..." 🎶 👍 😂-John Lydon
Oh wait- I must ask:
In ALL of your videos, you have failed to even mention *The Killing Joke*. So would you be interested in sharing any insights on one of my all-time fav' bands plz'? THANX!!
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It just occurred to me- if J. Lydon lived there 'til he moved to NYC (as you say) then I wonder if that's the same place where he'd throw the loud all-night parties (& hence the lyrics 🎶"The neighbors listen in...
No, i won't let you in...
Keep Banging The Door... etc etc"🎶
yes, I love that band too. Not sure if I have enough to do a video though. Thanks again for watching!
Bowie was only at Oakley Street for a few months , he left Haddon Hall in Beckenham in '73 and temporarily rented Diana Rigg's flat in Maida Vale before moving to Oakley Street which was rented for him by his management company MainMan where he lived while recording Diamond Dogs. However, Bowie relocated to New York in April 74 and remained in the US until May '76 so he really only spent a very short time at Oakley Street...his
wife Angela lived there while he was in the US. Bowie set up Freddie Buretti his tailor in the basement making his costumes along with Marion, Zowie's nanny.
There is a funny (possibly untrue) story that Bowie painted all the walls and ceilings in Oakley Street black and when asked why by a journalist he supposedly claimed it was so he could identify with the British coal miners who were at that time on strike!
Thanks for the info! I did know that he was based in the U.S. in 1975 and 1976 and I mention that in the video. I wonder if he came back at all after he left, since he was paying for the home and that's where Angela and his son resided.
@@WhyNotGoPlaces You're welcome ...and No he never returned to Oakley street after he left. He was in the States continually from April '74 to April/March '76 except for some rehearsals in Jamaica for the '76 tour. Apparently he had been considering returning to the UK for Christmas '75 but that didn't happen.
Interesting. Thanks again! Another thing that was mentioned in Paul Gorman book on Malcolm...apparently Bowie said to Malcolm when they met in the 80s was that his life was changing when he went to the shop, probably in 1974, and that he was not only moving soon but he was having an affair with the nanny.
@@WhyNotGoPlacesAs far as I know, between 1976 - 1979 Bowie recorded in France, Berlin and Switzerland. He lived above a garage in the working class, Turkish District, of Berlin, circa 1977 I think. He toured 1978.
I top my hat and admire your passion. Not far from Gunter Grove is Beaufort road where on the corner of the Kings road was the 'Beaufort Market' which if not run was chaperoned by Jock McDonald. This was one of the most important visits on a saturday afternoon on the obligatory stroll of attitude and contempt almost as important as the Punk membership badge (safety pin). Forty seven years later I would love to read other peoples recollections of ''those days they visited'
I never went to Beaufort Market but I have heard people mention it. My friend Michelle Brigandage mentioned it in the interview I did recently with her. I'm guessing it had lots of stalls with different kinds of clothes? I think at the same corner was the Roebuck Pub where the Sex Pistols met Lydon for the first time. I talk about that in my Kings Road video. Thanks for watching!
@@WhyNotGoPlaces It was an indoor market and held a collection of stalls like you reference but also selling Fanzines which were a must have along with bootleg albums which were a must have if you wanted that edge in your collection. Saturdays was a stroll down from Sloane Square via the drugstore and flea market onto the beaufort and then every other week up to Chelsea FC hanging in the Bovril bar Shed End hoping to see Joe Strummer (never saw him at a match).
@@WhyNotGoPlaces You guess correctly,Beaufort Market was quite similar to Kensington Market with lots of little stalls if you remember that one.Not as good though!!
Come across your channel through this video. I've looked at your other titles and they are my sort of films. I've subscribed and I'm going to have fun working my way through them. My own London punk story was connected to Step Forward records in Dryden Chambers on Oxford Street. The Sex Pistols had their office upstairs. Worked for a brief time with Kim Turner, who would go on to road manage The Police and then co-manage Sting. Great and very talented geezer. Worked a Chelsea/ATV tour in '77. That was hilarious.
Thanks for watching and subscribing! I really appreciate it. Since you worked at Dryden Chambers, I would recommend watching my "I followed the Sex Pistols on tour" video because I mention in it going to Malcolm's office to deliver a jacket to Steve Jones from their Los Angeles rep. This was Aug. 1977. I met his secretary Sophie Richmond. How cool that you worked in the same building at Step Forward! And on the Chelsea/ATV tour!
I'm going to do another Malcolm video soon. I remember going up some narrow stairs to Glitterbest, Do you remember what floor Malcolm was on? I think it was the 2nd or 3rd (with the first floor being ground level), but I can't recall for sure. Do you remember people coming and going from Glitterbest? The band maybe? What a great time to be working there!
Thanks again. Maggie
@@WhyNotGoPlaces The Pistols office was above Step Forward which was on the 2nd floor so I would say they were on the 3rd floor. Of course there were several labels working from Dryden all under Miles Copeland. Sham 69 were one band, before they signed to Polydor, Jimmy Pursey was always there and the Sniffin' Glue peopel were there. I'm not sure who was the fastest talker, Pursey or Danny Baker. I did speak to Sophie once on the phone but that was later on when I tried to book the Pistols for a gig up north when the narrative Malcolm was putting out was they were banned from playing in the UK.
So interesting! Thanks for sharing. We're you able to book the pistols? When I visited in Aug 1977 they were playing under the name the spots.
@@WhyNotGoPlaces My mind started to go back to those days after commenting on your video. I think it must have been in the first part of '77 when I contacted the Pistols office, before GSTQ came out, as I remember the SPOTS dates later in the year. I think the Chelsea / ATV tour was August-time. One of the funniest things ever was watching Mark Perry trying to stride down the mean streets of Glasgow wearing his bondage pants. ATV were so good then, way better than Chelsea. Did you ever hear their "The Image Has Cracked" album? I remember The SPOTS playing at Lafayettes in Wolverhampton at that time I wonder if that was the gig you missed? No I left my offer with Sophie. She said she would let Malcolm know but I never heard back. I don't think he wanted them playing in the UK at that time. It fitted in better with the story he was spinning. I have watched your US Tour video and enjoyed your remembrances. Brilliant memories to have . . . and photos too. I remember chatting with Debbie Juvenile at a gig one time, she was stunning and was the main attraction in the room. I shall have to watch your Bromley Contingent film next! As I said before I enjoyed your houses film. When we were 17/18 and messing about with being in bands etc. the flat at Edith Grove held real iconic status and we dreamed of living together as a band like Mick, Keith & Brian. I have made a short video of my own about when I met Keith at Redlands. It's called "Meeting Keith Richards" on my channel "Dodger's Trips" if that interests you. Sorry for going on some, it's not often I get to talk about those times.
@@DodgersTrips I will watch your channel! Yes I think it was the Wolverhampton gig I missed. It sounds familiar. It was outside of london, that I know for sure. So your story proves that Malcolm was spinning the banned narrative. So interesting!
Crazy London house prices,the one you showed at 48 Cheyne Walk which Jagger bought in 1967 for £50,000 would be more like £20 Million now! The one next door,number 47 sold way back in 2011 for £11.5m!
I know! I wonder if he regrets selling it. This was my favorite of the Stones houses. It's such a sweet house, not too big, and it's tucked away on a quiet part of Cheyne Walk, in front of a park so it doesn't get the noise from the Embankment. Just lovely.
i love your videos! it would be nice if you could visit Liverpool
I would love to! Maybe next time. Thanks for watching.
Nice bag that you wore with the yellow banana on of Andy Warhol, the legendary cover art of that 1st Velvet Underground album, one of the greatest albums made of course together with Never Mind the Bollocks haha. I just started a new video of you and that lady said they played that Velvet Underground album completely in one go on that radio station! Great!!
Thanks for watching! I got that bag at the Andy Warhol museum in Pittsburgh. Yes, I love Warhol and The Velvets. I have a video where I visit one of his Factory locations and also his residence in NYC. I loved Andy Warhol and met him at a screening of BAD in 1977 in Los Angeles. He seemed shy and sweet. Thanks again!
Very nice video; indeed mùsic history! It"s nice to see how they lived. I prefer also the 1978 version of Lydon's house. You can find here a pile of cans under my table haha. That couch would have many stories to tell I guess! I adore that terrace on top of that building! The air is so much better up there. I recognized the building of the Rolling Stones, these greek pillars. Funny that you said that there was a big change in their bank accounts from 1963 to 1967. They had their hit Satisfaction in 1964, which was big in the USA, but not in England, because of it"q lyrics. English radiostations at first refused to play that song. Nice to see where Bowie lived. I collect his records. For me it's Bowie who is the artist of the 20th century, not Elvis! Bowie was a globetrotter: I am a landtrotter, I lived already in many places in Belgium; Aalst, Bruges, Antwerp, Gent. Looking forward for a new video! I wish you and your friend a nice weekend! Greetings Jason
Thanks for watching! I really appreciate it. Yes, Lydon's couch looks like it witnessed a lot of fun! I loved visiting where The Stones lived because that's where they started out. So historical.
A few other famous Chelsea residents:
Francis Bacon
Agatha Christie
Judy Garland
Shirley MacClaine
Bob Marley
Mary Shelley
Bram Stoker
Mark Twain
J.R.R. Tolkien
Wow, that's some list of legendary people! I went to a Mary Shelley site in Belgravia where there is a plaque in her honor. That was where she lived when she died, but I do remember reading that she lived earlier near Sloane Street in Chelsea. I should have gone there too. I love Mary Shelley. Thanks for this info. And thanks for watching!
Syd Barrett lived in Chelsea Cloisters for several years after leaving Pink Floyd. I think Sid and Nancy also stayed there a few nights. Apparently Sid and Lydon tried to meet him there but he wasn't interested.
All true. The Damned attempted to persuade Barrett to produce their second album, to no avail. They settled for Nick Mason instead.
@@pablozewoppa Syd used to be seen drinking (always alone) in the pub near CC , now a wine bar or eaterie I think. He left one night in summer 1982 and walked back to Cambridge! CC was also the hotel the Vatican banker Roberto Calvi was staying in when he was murdered under Blackfriars Bridge also summer 1982.
@@GriefTourist I think it was The Marlborough Arms. Probably a restaurant now.
That's so interesting! It is a huge building and it looks like it's been there for years.
@@WhyNotGoPlaces the Cloisters was built in the 1930s, the first residents moved in around 1938/39, just before WW2 broke out.
Believe John bought the flat at Gunter Grove from Steve Winwood
That's interesting. Thanks for watching.:)
Prefer Gunter Grove 1978 style. Now it looks like a Dubai nightmare.
I like the "before" style too. More casual and normal. Thanks for watching.
All homes look much the same as that when people have paid a fortune to a high-falutin`interior designer to "design" them,to me they`re boring and all look much the same,no personal items on display,they just look like expensive hotel rooms.
@@mjh5437 More money than sense. No taste. Many a good house has been ruined.
Just uploaded my rough cut video of my version of Bohemian Rhapsody
Did you know Sid and Nancy lived at Chelsea Cloisters? The police used to take the door off Lydon's flat all the time, that's why he moved to America.
I did not know Sid lived at the Chelsea Cloisters. That's so interesting! Do you know any other details? Maybe Malcolm put him there before he got him that nice house in Maida Vale. It's a huge building with many apartments. Someone here said that Syd Barrett lived there after he left Pink Floyd.
Yes, I remember Lydon saying he was hassled by the police and that's why he left London. I should have mentioned that in the video. Thanks for watching!
I remember Jah Wobble talking about Lydon living at Gunter grove. He said that he Would play music by the German band Can at unearthly volume. He thought the neighbours must have been terrified of John, because of his reputation in the press. As they never once complained about the volume. Even when it was the early hours.
The track, keep banging the door, by PIL. Is about this flat. He was pissed that the public had found out where he lived, and a steady stream of punks and looney's would show up at all hours, banging on his door. It was this reason, and the constant attention of the Metropolitan police drug squad, that forced him to sell up and move to America.
Thanks for the info! Yes, that must have been annoying that everyone knew where he lived, including the police.
There are some great photos of pil on top of gunter grove
Whoops. Just seen you have put the pics up
Yes I love those photos! Thanks again for tuning into my channel!
Although we were West Ham kids from east London and we could have got beaten up by Chelsea fans . It was dodgy with football hooligan rivals then and might still be . Go to a jazz club near there sometimes , the 606 club on lots road .
It might be slightly dodgy in places. We had a guy walk up to us drinking a beer and hassling us for money around World's End. I like it around there though. It seems like a more normal area, where perhaps average people still live.
I see from your "Be seeing you" badge that you are a Prisoner Fan! (1960's Patrick Mcgoohan show), it was filmed in Potmeirion North Wales, since you're over here....Why not go? well worth a visit.😉
Next time! I do love that show and I will make it up to Portmeirion at some point. It looks so beautiful. We did go to the spot in London that was the opening shot on the show, where he drives up to the flat in that fancy yellow sports car and is chased by the black car. It's very close to Buckingham Palace on a quiet street. Thanks for watching!
@@WhyNotGoPlacesThat's right its very close by the palace, and mostly unchanged! Portmeirion is a really special place, try and stay there either in the hotel or one of the apartments, once all the daytime visitors leave I think its 4.30pm, the only people there are those staying in the village, so its really amazing, almost like the show! maybe hire a lotus 7 sports car for the visit, I look forward to seeing your video of it!
@@pigeonguardgames507 that would be a dream come true to stay there! I've never been to Wales either. I bet it's beautiful.
@@WhyNotGoPlaces The Welsh countryside is beautiful,but all the towns and cities are grim and depressing beyond belief😆
I would imagine a lot of the owners of these “blue plaque” buildings wouldn’t want it advertised for people to gawk at ?
Good point. Thanks for watching.:)
There are books and lists all over the Internet showing where all the "blue plaque buildings" are located if people want to find them,and the people who live in them are well aware of that when they buy them,there`s nothing secretive about them lol
Jah Wobble threatened Sid and Nancy with an axe at Gunter Grove. Lydon had lots of interesting visitors including reggae musicians, composer John Barry and Les McKeown of Bay City Rollers.
Les McKeown of the Bay City Rollers? That's funny! I wonder why Jah Wobble threatened them with an axe? Party must have gotten out of control! Thanks again for watching.
@@WhyNotGoPlacesProbably didn't want junkies around. I have just downloaded the audiobook of Wobble's new updated autobiography so hopefully it'll be in there.
Sid and Nancy have been dead for years and Johnny has been alive for years
Can u expand more on that?
Apart from stating the obvious, do you have any other hobbies?
@@londonlion5179 what are you talking about?
Keep taking the tablets Gary 😄
@@londonlion5179 Sid and Nancy have been dead for years and Johnny has been alive for years. Now why is everyone finding that so confusing? It's plain enough to me
Maybe a AC/DC Bon Scott?
Thanks for watching! That band is out of my expertise, but I did like them.
$170 a night..with no windows?..
Never mind..you had the curtains closed…
Yes it did have a big window. I thought the price was fair for the area and for the kitchen. Thanks for watching.:)
ok, fan of LYDON, stones NO NOPE, BOWIE, LIKE HIM IN THE 80S, BUT AFTER FINDING OUT HE WAS PART TIME GAYLOR, AND INTO BLACK MAGIK I SAID ME FAN NO MORE OF BOWIE, BUT LYDON, YES BIG FAN OF THE PISTOLS(WHO KILLED BAMBI, HOPE NO ONE),..............MARIUS(PUNK RULES).
Bowie is from beckenham, the borough of bromley, he lived big house, haddon hall, thats now demolished, he went same school as peter frampton, I’m from beckenham, in 1971 i was a paper boy, in early mornings 6 am on my bicycle i used to pick up news papers from w h smiths in beckenham high st, and my news paper round included foxgrove road and southend road beckenham road where bowies house was.
Three Tuns Pub
That's so interesting! Did you deliver papers to his house? It looked like it was a beautiful place. I read that there's a plaque somewhere in Bromley for Bowie. I think it's at his old school. Thanks for watching!
@@martinchandler9205 used be a music shop, instruments and sheet music on corner near three tuns pub.
@@WhyNotGoPlaces i never delivered to that house, haddon hall, as far as i remember,. Bowies house backed onto beckenham tennis, cricket, croquet club, where in 70s were held a famous pre Wimbledon grass court tournament! Beckenham lawn tennis tournament, in 1974/5 i used climb over the fence to get in, spent all beautiful summer days in there, major players there, i saw jimmy connors, arthur ashe, stan smith, evon goolagong, and lot of other top players ahead of the Wimbledon tournament.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxgrove_Road,_Beckenham