This is exactly what i came up with for my first food plot, i limed heavy in spring and weed eated 2 times to hold the weeds from seeding as bad, now the weeds are about 2 ft high im crimping them over and spraying them hard, and in 2 weeks ( rain depenent) im gonna spray another light coat then put my brassica mix( big sexy) on real light! Im gonna wait a month like my guy here said and lay the winter wheat on heavy! This is about a half acre total! I watched every video about everything food plot related and this is the only video that has be spot on with my plan( i thought was custom for me) good to have verification that i was on the right track! A side note, i mowed and killed 1/8 th of the half acre and done put white and crimson on it, and i put more lime and a bag of 12-12-12 on that and today im going to finish rolling and spraying the other 1/8th today and put 100 more lbs of pellet lime on it and was thinking of putting 19-19-19 on it, this plot is on a steap hill with wide benches and its all over grown weeds! Wish me luck on this, i had a giant 3 yr old 10 last yr with no food stay on me alot and it's 10 acres of old horse pasture, we sold horses 2 yrs ago hence me not being able to plant, hence the big buck moving in! Love the videos im and eastern KY boy ( Menifee mountains)! We have tractors and all that jazz but I want a true diy hard work plot to prove I can with out plow and disc!
Great info…for my fellow plotters out there I sowed some balansa into a stand of perennial white clover that had gotten a bit thin and it took great but I use IMOX herbicide to control weeds and grasses in my clover and for some reason it killed the balansa the white clover was fine as usual but it nuked the balansa
Jared thanks for sharing! You definitely aren’t the only one that has had problems with imox in clover! I don’t typically have much issues because I don’t plant perennial clovers very often, I used annual clovers, brassicas, cereal grains, corn, soybeans and alfalfa. Thanks for watching and good luck with the plots
Wes, Fellow Kentuckian here looking forward to trying your blend recommendation. Quick question, I’m going to no-till the mix. What is your recommended rate for this method versus broadcasting? Also, I’m planning to include the winter wheat at the same time for a one pass planting. Pretty sure my deer population is high enough to prevent it from overtaking the clover and brassicas. Thanks!
Shane one thing that concerns me is the cereal grains getting stemmy, I’ve never tried it this early before….but just wanted to give a word of warning that the cereal grains could get to big even in a high density setting. I would stay fairly close to the rate I mentioned…maybe drop down 5-10% if conditions are perfect. Thanks for watching and good luck with the plots!
Great info and great video! Hope your sunflowers are doing good...mine are blooming but the storms thus week in Kentucky blowed alot of them over...if you need snything Wes let me know! Thsnks for great info!
In South Ga I’ve planted a self made mix of rye, wheat, oats, purple top turnips, daikon radish, crimson and ladino in early October and had excellent results without the cereal grains getting to big and losing attraction or out competing the brassicas or clover. Any earlier say early to mid September planting by the time our November rut hits the cereal grains are too tall and stemmy.
Sounds like you have a very similar program to me…I like it! I agree on the cereals, that’s the reason I’ve never planted them this early. But I’ll do some experimenting this year and report back! Thanks for watching and good luck with your plots!
I've used rye for the past 4 years, giving it a go with oats in SE NC this year. Hopefully, this leads to a moreanageable spring green up. Good content.
I really like oats, I’ve planted a bunch of them. They should over winter in your area and be fine! It will be very similar to rye in the spring, though oats typically don’t grow as fast or tall! Thanks for watching
I just picked up some cheap Dixie Crimson it's not for the food plots it's for the creek banks. Going to sow some Dycon coated radishes and Balancia clover, will be doing purple white top turnips as well. I had really good lock with Arrowleaf clover last year the bucks really loved it.
That Arrowleaf and Apache clovers are awesome❗ The Landino, is another good one! 👍🏼Planted about 2- 1 acre plots last year, here in North Florida and the deer loved them! 👍🏼
Up north, Evolved Harvest 7 Card Stud has a great variety of plants similar to this. I like to have at least 1/4 acre in it. I overseed with Crimson clover in the early spring. Red and White clover too if I'm rotating out of that area.
Yes sir! Maybe I can save yall some time and money by figuring out that answer….it would be awfully nice if we could seed it all at one time! Thanks for watching and good luck with the plots
Hey Wes, big fan of your channel. I have a clover plot with chicory and this darn purple nutsedge and thistles are trying to take over. What would you recommend to spray that won’t hurt the clover but kill the thistles and nutsedge? Thanks and keep hammering out these videos 💪
I had a brassica/annual clover plot last year and I had the same issues, yellow nutsedge was trying to take over. I weed wiped it with roundup….was it the very best, negative but it helped some. I’m not the best on what to use on perennial clover plots as I don’t plant many of them on my farms. Wished I could help more! Thanks for watching.
Thanks again Wes. I weighed in a month back on the release process. Deer did in fact wipe out the broad leaves and legumes, so I'm left with milo and millet - turkeys are hammering this! Loss of plant population has led to a huge grass problem in these plots. Milo is almost mature. I'm thinking hitting this with Roundup and sowing my clovers and brassicas now, then coming back with the cereal rye and oats later like you suggest - just seems way too early for them! Wondering a couple things: 1.) is the Roundup even necessary now? Assume I need to knock the grass back to give these early plants a better chance; 2.) drill or sow the rye and oats?
Yes in my opinion you’re going to have to control the grass before your fall plots start growing good or they will choke them out. If you have a drill, I’d drill the fall mixture then spray right behind it….and depending on what kind of stand you had from the earlier fall planting I’d either broadcast or drill the oats and rye. If you got a great stand of clovers and brassicas then I’d broadcast the cereal grains, if you got a poor stand then I would drill it.
I’m not far from you in Southern Indiana. And can tell you from my experience if you’re drilling fall grains, you need more than 1/4 acre to get them to grow well. 1/2 does a lot better and deer will keep it at less than 3 inches. In the 1/4 acre plots I like to broadcast the grains heavy to get a viable crop. Those smaller plots work well in clover, but given our frequent drought conditions, I like to have a lot of chicory in it , as insurance.
Thanks for sharing your experiences! I agree completely on the tiny plots, bump the rate up and get more seeds per acre and properly fertilize and it will take off and deer will love it! I am getting ready to plant some chicory, so video on that coming soon! Thanks for watching and good luck with the plots!
So later on (a month)you are just throwing on top of the ground the rye, wheat or oats and that large of a seed will germinate without any disking or tillage?
Yes sir it will. You can definitely put them in the ground now and will be okay, but yes you can also come back and just broadcast them on top of the ground.they will germinate on top of the ground, those cereal grains are extremely tough!
Is there a premix out there with what you are recommending? I have about 1 1/2 acre plot I would like to do this on. If no pre mix where do you pick up the seed is this something your local coop or superior agg has?
Great video Wes. You have good luck with the cereal grains at 50lb per acre?? I have been doing the same technique but 100lbs per acre on about 12 acres total. Would be nice to back it down to 50lbs.
Hey Wes, I usually do 50-100….basically what I’m doing is monitoring the plot and see how much fill in is needed with the cereal grains later. So if the brassicas and clover are getting hammered and over browsed I’ll put the full 100….if the brassicas and clover are keeping up with browse pressure and are good and thick, I’ll just broadcast the 50. For a stand alone plot on broadcast I’d do 100LBS per acre for sure! Thanks for watching and good luck with the plots!
Here in upstate NY we often do 3 or more plantings of winter rye in our fall plots, usually 2-3 weeks apart 50 lbs/acre. It gives it a layering effect, and an excellent spring green up. Works great on trails also. Thanks for all you do Wes !
Winner Winner Chicken Dinner with what you have always done!! I agree with another comment...the experiment will work when all seed are planted later in the planting window. Perhaps 45 days before frost date. But give it a try and lets see...
Let see if we can learn something this fall, I always love experimenting with food plots! The clovers and cereal grain would be great 45 days before a frost but in my opinion the brassicas won’t have time to grow the bulb in 45 days. Thanks for watching and good luck with the plots!
@@DIYfoodplotpro Seems like we here in W. Kentucky get another couple weeks before a KILLING FREEZE stops plants from growing. So even if we get a few "light" frosts the brassicas keep right on growing...including the turnips.
Hi Wes. What would you recommend to plant in those little 10 to 30 ft wide lanes that run alongside row crops between row crops and the woods. I’d guess you’re competing with trees for moisture and sunlight and I’m sure the soils would be lower in PH? Last year anything I planted in those gaps failed when it planted late summer and early fall due to the drought. Thank you!
Those areas are great for cereal grains in the fall. Don’t plant them too early, as trees sap and limited sunlight will be tough on them. Shoot for 2-3 weeks before your first frost, or when you plan to start hunting and go with 100LBS per acre. Thanks for watching and good luck with the plots!
My farm is 100 miles East of Atlanta .I have a problem of hogs eating any seed of size that has been broadcast .I have hired a farmer with a 10ft Haybuster Drill to plant larger plots but I have many fruit trees too close together for the drill Any suggestions ?
I wished I could help, but I don’t have hog problems around here yet, so that’s not something I deal with. Might have to get a smaller drill to be able to get between the fruit trees. You could get the seed buried by working the ground and covering them but I suspect they would just root them up as well. Good luck with the plots and thanks for watching
This is exactly what i came up with for my first food plot, i limed heavy in spring and weed eated 2 times to hold the weeds from seeding as bad, now the weeds are about 2 ft high im crimping them over and spraying them hard, and in 2 weeks ( rain depenent) im gonna spray another light coat then put my brassica mix( big sexy) on real light! Im gonna wait a month like my guy here said and lay the winter wheat on heavy! This is about a half acre total! I watched every video about everything food plot related and this is the only video that has be spot on with my plan( i thought was custom for me) good to have verification that i was on the right track! A side note, i mowed and killed 1/8 th of the half acre and done put white and crimson on it, and i put more lime and a bag of 12-12-12 on that and today im going to finish rolling and spraying the other 1/8th today and put 100 more lbs of pellet lime on it and was thinking of putting 19-19-19 on it, this plot is on a steap hill with wide benches and its all over grown weeds! Wish me luck on this, i had a giant 3 yr old 10 last yr with no food stay on me alot and it's 10 acres of old horse pasture, we sold horses 2 yrs ago hence me not being able to plant, hence the big buck moving in! Love the videos im and eastern KY boy ( Menifee mountains)! We have tractors and all that jazz but I want a true diy hard work plot to prove I can with out plow and disc!
Good luck with the plots! Hopefully that 3 year old will turn into a 4 year old giant this year! Thanks for watching
Great info on the Crimson Clover. I didnt realize there were better varieties, thought all were fairly equal
Yes sir! Glad you found the video helpful! Thanks for watching and good luck with the plots!
That was a great video and perfect timing. In Northern Ny in the next week or two ill have all my fall food plots in
Thank u
Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed it! Good luck with the plots!
ANOTHER great informative video
Thanks for the support! I appreciate you watching and good luck with the food plots!
Great info…for my fellow plotters out there I sowed some balansa into a stand of perennial white clover that had gotten a bit thin and it took great but I use IMOX herbicide to control weeds and grasses in my clover and for some reason it killed the balansa the white clover was fine as usual but it nuked the balansa
Jared thanks for sharing! You definitely aren’t the only one that has had problems with imox in clover! I don’t typically have much issues because I don’t plant perennial clovers very often, I used annual clovers, brassicas, cereal grains, corn, soybeans and alfalfa. Thanks for watching and good luck with the plots
Wes,
Fellow Kentuckian here looking forward to trying your blend recommendation.
Quick question, I’m going to no-till the mix. What is your recommended rate for this method versus broadcasting? Also, I’m planning to include the winter wheat at the same time for a one pass planting. Pretty sure my deer population is high enough to prevent it from overtaking the clover and brassicas.
Thanks!
Shane one thing that concerns me is the cereal grains getting stemmy, I’ve never tried it this early before….but just wanted to give a word of warning that the cereal grains could get to big even in a high density setting. I would stay fairly close to the rate I mentioned…maybe drop down 5-10% if conditions are perfect. Thanks for watching and good luck with the plots!
Great info and great video! Hope your sunflowers are doing good...mine are blooming but the storms thus week in Kentucky blowed alot of them over...if you need snything Wes let me know! Thsnks for great info!
Thanks Rich! Mine have reached maturity for the most part and are beginning to dry down! Thanks for watching and good luck with plots!
In South Ga I’ve planted a self made mix of rye, wheat, oats, purple top turnips, daikon radish, crimson and ladino in early October and had excellent results without the cereal grains getting to big and losing attraction or out competing the brassicas or clover. Any earlier say early to mid September planting by the time our November rut hits the cereal grains are too tall and stemmy.
Sounds like you have a very similar program to me…I like it! I agree on the cereals, that’s the reason I’ve never planted them this early. But I’ll do some experimenting this year and report back! Thanks for watching and good luck with your plots!
I've used rye for the past 4 years, giving it a go with oats in SE NC this year. Hopefully, this leads to a moreanageable spring green up. Good content.
I really like oats, I’ve planted a bunch of them. They should over winter in your area and be fine! It will be very similar to rye in the spring, though oats typically don’t grow as fast or tall! Thanks for watching
I just picked up some cheap Dixie Crimson it's not for the food plots it's for the creek banks. Going to sow some Dycon coated radishes and Balancia clover, will be doing purple white top turnips as well. I had really good lock with Arrowleaf clover last year the bucks really loved it.
That Arrowleaf and Apache clovers are awesome❗ The Landino, is another good one! 👍🏼Planted about 2- 1 acre plots last year, here in North Florida and the deer loved them! 👍🏼
@loyalsoldier3997 I actually prefer the Black Hawk clover because it has more resistant to soybeans, Rust.
Thanks for sharing your experience! Sounds like you have got a good food plot program going on! Good luck with the plots and thanks for watching
Up north, Evolved Harvest 7 Card Stud has a great variety of plants similar to this. I like to have at least 1/4 acre in it. I overseed with Crimson clover in the early spring. Red and White clover too if I'm rotating out of that area.
Crimson in my opinion is hard to beat, it’s as solid as they come. Thanks for watching and good luck with the plots!
Front row seat is hard to beat, looking forward to the results, only way to learn is to try.
Yes sir! Maybe I can save yall some time and money by figuring out that answer….it would be awfully nice if we could seed it all at one time! Thanks for watching and good luck with the plots
Hey Wes, big fan of your channel. I have a clover plot with chicory and this darn purple nutsedge and thistles are trying to take over. What would you recommend to spray that won’t hurt the clover but kill the thistles and nutsedge? Thanks and keep hammering out these videos 💪
I had a brassica/annual clover plot last year and I had the same issues, yellow nutsedge was trying to take over. I weed wiped it with roundup….was it the very best, negative but it helped some. I’m not the best on what to use on perennial clover plots as I don’t plant many of them on my farms. Wished I could help more! Thanks for watching.
@@DIYfoodplotpro thanks for trying means a whole lot Sir. GL this year a happy Subscriber 💪
Thanks again Wes. I weighed in a month back on the release process. Deer did in fact wipe out the broad leaves and legumes, so I'm left with milo and millet - turkeys are hammering this! Loss of plant population has led to a huge grass problem in these plots. Milo is almost mature. I'm thinking hitting this with Roundup and sowing my clovers and brassicas now, then coming back with the cereal rye and oats later like you suggest - just seems way too early for them! Wondering a couple things: 1.) is the Roundup even necessary now? Assume I need to knock the grass back to give these early plants a better chance; 2.) drill or sow the rye and oats?
Yes in my opinion you’re going to have to control the grass before your fall plots start growing good or they will choke them out. If you have a drill, I’d drill the fall mixture then spray right behind it….and depending on what kind of stand you had from the earlier fall planting I’d either broadcast or drill the oats and rye. If you got a great stand of clovers and brassicas then I’d broadcast the cereal grains, if you got a poor stand then I would drill it.
I’m not far from you in Southern Indiana. And can tell you from my experience if you’re drilling fall grains, you need more than 1/4 acre to get them to grow well. 1/2 does a lot better and deer will keep it at less than 3 inches. In the 1/4 acre plots I like to broadcast the grains heavy to get a viable crop.
Those smaller plots work well in clover, but given our frequent drought conditions, I like to have a lot of chicory in it , as insurance.
Thanks for sharing your experiences! I agree completely on the tiny plots, bump the rate up and get more seeds per acre and properly fertilize and it will take off and deer will love it! I am getting ready to plant some chicory, so video on that coming soon! Thanks for watching and good luck with the plots!
Thanks Wes
Thanks for watching!! Good luck with the plots!
So later on (a month)you are just throwing on top of the ground the rye, wheat or oats and that large of a seed will germinate without any disking or tillage?
Yes sir it will. You can definitely put them in the ground now and will be okay, but yes you can also come back and just broadcast them on top of the ground.they will germinate on top of the ground, those cereal grains are extremely tough!
Is there a premix out there with what you are recommending? I have about 1 1/2 acre plot I would like to do this on. If no pre mix where do you pick up the seed is this something your local coop or superior agg has?
I’m sure there are some mixes that are very similar. I bought mine from merit seed company out of Ohio. Thanks for watching
Great video Wes. You have good luck with the cereal grains at 50lb per acre?? I have been doing the same technique but 100lbs per acre on about 12 acres total. Would be nice to back it down to 50lbs.
Hey Wes, I usually do 50-100….basically what I’m doing is monitoring the plot and see how much fill in is needed with the cereal grains later. So if the brassicas and clover are getting hammered and over browsed I’ll put the full 100….if the brassicas and clover are keeping up with browse pressure and are good and thick, I’ll just broadcast the 50. For a stand alone plot on broadcast I’d do 100LBS per acre for sure! Thanks for watching and good luck with the plots!
Here in upstate NY we often do 3 or more plantings of winter rye in our fall plots, usually 2-3 weeks apart 50 lbs/acre. It gives it a layering effect, and an excellent spring green up. Works great on trails also. Thanks for all you do Wes !
@@johnallingthat makes a lot of sense doing it that way, thanks for sharing! Thanks for watching and good luck with the plots!
Winner Winner Chicken Dinner with what you have always done!! I agree with another comment...the experiment will work when all seed are planted later in the planting window. Perhaps 45 days before frost date. But give it a try and lets see...
Let see if we can learn something this fall, I always love experimenting with food plots! The clovers and cereal grain would be great 45 days before a frost but in my opinion the brassicas won’t have time to grow the bulb in 45 days. Thanks for watching and good luck with the plots!
@@DIYfoodplotpro Seems like we here in W. Kentucky get another couple weeks before a KILLING FREEZE stops plants from growing. So even if we get a few "light" frosts the brassicas keep right on growing...including the turnips.
Hi Wes. What would you recommend to plant in those little 10 to 30 ft wide lanes that run alongside row crops between row crops and the woods. I’d guess you’re competing with trees for moisture and sunlight and I’m sure the soils would be lower in PH?
Last year anything I planted in those gaps failed when it planted late summer and early fall due to the drought.
Thank you!
Those areas are great for cereal grains in the fall. Don’t plant them too early, as trees sap and limited sunlight will be tough on them. Shoot for 2-3 weeks before your first frost, or when you plan to start hunting and go with 100LBS per acre. Thanks for watching and good luck with the plots!
You should look into buying some kohlrabi my grandpa says it’s one of the deer most favorite things to eat I’m gonna try it this year
Let me know how it works! I’m always game to try a new plot! Thanks for watching and good luck with the plots!
@@DIYfoodplotpro it is a turnip you could probably order it and add it to your plots this year!!
Are your clovers planted spring or fall
All fall planted for me! Thanks for watching
My farm is 100 miles East of Atlanta .I have a problem of hogs eating any seed of size that has been broadcast .I have hired a farmer with a 10ft Haybuster Drill to plant larger plots but I have many fruit trees too close together for the drill Any suggestions ?
I wished I could help, but I don’t have hog problems around here yet, so that’s not something I deal with. Might have to get a smaller drill to be able to get between the fruit trees. You could get the seed buried by working the ground and covering them but I suspect they would just root them up as well. Good luck with the plots and thanks for watching