Yes, that's a good point, ok perhaps in a more friendly environment like road works or something similar but in harsh open cast mining conditions working long hours, then I have my doubts ??
@@MaharlikanEmpire_61 It is animation. CGI can be good today. In 2015 the first would be made, but no videos of it working in reality exists as far as a quick search tells.
It won’t bloody work. Low suspension, terribly complicated. The tires will get punctured easily, unlike the Huge ones they have at the moment, the tires will have to be replaced regularly because they aren’t made for it, turning the tray would cause the balance to be off and it could fall on its side, less overall bed space, less range due to more wheels to drive (power lost in conversion), how much fuel can it take given a tiny body, inefficient etc. etc. It is a concept and should stay that way
Nonsense. Mining trucks are built that way for a simple reason. They are by far the cheapest and mod reliable say to move material from one place to another. No comparison.
@@joshJ.More tire + more moving parts = more maintenance cost And don't forget the other features like the steering and side dumping, it uses way more complex hydraulic system than the conventional one Think again, if it's a good deal for mine operator, then why there's no ETF mining truck until now??? And that animation is a BS, there's no extremely bumpy roads like that on the real mining scenery, they have bulldozer to scrape the roads and flattening the ground, no need to use that much tires and their fancy ass suspension Btw the closest thing we can get to this particular shit is articulated dump trucks, like volvo A60H or Caterpillar 730 ADT
Except that you have to buy 20 tires instead of four or six. And I wonder how much additional maintenance cost and down time there is with such a complex system. I want to see the real-world break downs of the operational cost comparison before I go touting this "miracle truck."
@@Krustykomrade I can't picture a discount strategy that would make this work. Not in the long run. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for innovation but the economics can't be ignored. Call me skeptical.
Those gigantic wheels are super expensive, so 20 more standard wheels, which are made in bulk, may still be cheaper. But I agree on wondering about maintenance. I can them only make sense in small mines where space is the issue.
@@BigRalphSmith I did a little research on it. It's not conclusive because I don't know jack about mining truck tires, but it looks like the 24 R35's for the ETF run anywhere from 8k-20k, so around 160k-400k for full replacement, and the big tires on conventional mining trucks are anywhere from 50k-90k, so 300k-540k for full replacement. It varies a lot in price, but as an average; 280k for the ETF and 420k for conventional. So, entirely possible for it to be cheaper to buy 20 than 6. Of course that doesn't make up for the fact that the maintenance on the ETF is probably an absolute headache to deal with.
Who makes this veh ? What type of mining is this vehicle to be used for ? Have been involved with open pit copper mining and from what they are showing in this video, they would be a major issue with maintenance , plus the dust and mud that gets into to every thing. One of the reasons for the large mining trucks, and while they are bigger they are a simple design that has been in use for decades of experience. Is this a Chinese company that is pushing this vehicle for sale ? If this is such a great vehicle, why is this video computer generated, and were are the real life using video's ?
Tf bro. These trucks are real. Idk what to say about the maintenance tho. And based on Google, the company that made it is european. But I am not sure yet if these trucks are indeed real...
I’m going to bet they will crash and burn. The beds are too small, not enough fuel space, wheels will wear too quickly, huge maintenance (especially with the silica dust in most mining areas), hugely complicated and expensive to maintain. The list goes on and on
Systems that are already in use for decades in the Netherlands over in Europe. Companies like, for example, Terberg produce 4 and 5 axle dumptrucks with 3-4 axles steered and driven. So: no fantasy here!
There are so many more parts that can break and need maintenance! Also, the tire cost comparison was pretty damn dishonest. Compare 20 of those tires to a set of "regular" mining truck tires!!
Cat 797F: Simple diesel engine with generator and one electric engine per wheel, two axles (one steerable, one Driven). Simple and repairable on the site, little to no electronics. ETF: Everything controlled by electronics like engine, steering, dump bed. If one thing breaks it stops working, can't be fixed on site because ELECTRONICS
I worked in a quarry. Those smaller tires wont withstand the sharp rocks a long time! at our komatsu hd405 dump trucks, we got new tires every jear !! The gravel roads wear out tires veeery quick...
Always remember, no one wants to pay for maintenance. Would you rather use a truck that works and does the job for 30 years, or a truck that cost 5x as much and lasts 5 years? This will never go anywhere
I can only see them make sense in a smaller mine where the space is limited, and you have indeed super maintenance already. When you have a gigantic mine with a crane that fills your dumper full in two scoops, this smaller size has no use.
Yes the ETF a completly virtual 3D vehicule that was tested on the field for years because of course it was built, it s a cool concept but we still have to see a real prototype to confirm what you are saying
It's not just for mining obviously it's multipurpose. Even if not all of those features in just one machine, the cumulative technologies on display here have a number of applications across every heavy industry in the world. Like if you can rotate the truck you don't need a swiveling dump bed. Like everything doesn't have to be on one vehicle but these assorted technologies are obviously going to be helpful.
Not new. This was invented in the USA back before ww2. Germany durning ww2 many prototypes but never built a production because of cost. After ww2 Russia built several for exploration. Same with the USA. The reason this was not adopted. Cost of maintenance out weighed the cost of the tires. That and electric motor fails.
Each axle is a dually, meaning there’s two tires per side; four tires per axle. Multiplied over five axles yields twenty tires. There’s some parts in the video that shows it having two tires per side. Edit: Looking at the video more closely, the tires on either side are actually independent of each other. So it’s more like there’s a pair of casters on each side, like an office chair.
The maintenance must be a nightmare though
Yes, that's a good point, ok perhaps in a more friendly environment like road works or something similar but in harsh open cast mining conditions working long hours, then I have my doubts ??
Naaahhhhh let the repair mechanics worry that.
Can such sophistication, survive the highly dusty mine surroundings, won't time between mantainace be reduced? thus effecting availablity at site.
@@goldengear6125 Mechanics don't run the company, it's the management who will stare at the downtime.
The buck stops at their desk.
@@Luckystone211 I know you're right, I'm just kidding.
Cartoons can do amazing things these days 😂
Wowww😮😊
Except it isn't...
@@MaharlikanEmpire_61 It is animation. CGI can be good today.
In 2015 the first would be made, but no videos of it working in reality exists as far as a quick search tells.
@@edopronk1303 Yeah you're right. I really must differentiate what is real or not nowadays...
Design by tire factory 😂😂
An engineers masterpiece is a mechanics nightmare
And an architechs masterpiece is a engineers nightmare
That’s the old way of thinking. If it a mechanic’s nightmare, it is not an engineer’s masterpiece because it hasn’t been designed well.
People are competing each others to catch money.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Perfect said…
Another one :
What looks good on paper isn’t always good…
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Still cheaper to run conventional dump trucks
Proper explanation please.
Absolutely not! Your tyre wear is much higher with non steering axles. Also your manoeuvrability is much better the more steering axles a truck has.
@@baeruuttehei1393 what about maintainence.
@@county3795simply, they don't
That's why this concept is basically a BS
It won’t bloody work. Low suspension, terribly complicated. The tires will get punctured easily, unlike the Huge ones they have at the moment, the tires will have to be replaced regularly because they aren’t made for it, turning the tray would cause the balance to be off and it could fall on its side, less overall bed space, less range due to more wheels to drive (power lost in conversion), how much fuel can it take given a tiny body, inefficient etc. etc. It is a concept and should stay that way
Lots of hydraulic hoses. They say it's ingenious.
Nonsense. Mining trucks are built that way for a simple reason. They are by far the cheapest and mod reliable say to move material from one place to another. No comparison.
Not anymore! Haven’t you been paying attention
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@@joshJ.More tire + more moving parts = more maintenance cost
And don't forget the other features like the steering and side dumping, it uses way more complex hydraulic system than the conventional one
Think again, if it's a good deal for mine operator, then why there's no ETF mining truck until now???
And that animation is a BS, there's no extremely bumpy roads like that on the real mining scenery, they have bulldozer to scrape the roads and flattening the ground, no need to use that much tires and their fancy ass suspension
Btw the closest thing we can get to this particular shit is articulated dump trucks, like volvo A60H or Caterpillar 730 ADT
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Except that you have to buy 20 tires instead of four or six.
And I wonder how much additional maintenance cost and down time there is with such a complex system.
I want to see the real-world break downs of the operational cost comparison before I go touting this "miracle truck."
Might be able to take advantage of bulk discount?
@@Krustykomrade I can't picture a discount strategy that would make this work. Not in the long run.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for innovation but the economics can't be ignored.
Call me skeptical.
Those gigantic wheels are super expensive, so 20 more standard wheels, which are made in bulk, may still be cheaper.
But I agree on wondering about maintenance.
I can them only make sense in small mines where space is the issue.
@@edopronk1303 When I see the math that demonstrates how 20 tires are cheaper than 4, I'll buy in but not until then.
@@BigRalphSmith I did a little research on it. It's not conclusive because I don't know jack about mining truck tires, but it looks like the 24 R35's for the ETF run anywhere from 8k-20k, so around 160k-400k for full replacement, and the big tires on conventional mining trucks are anywhere from 50k-90k, so 300k-540k for full replacement. It varies a lot in price, but as an average; 280k for the ETF and 420k for conventional. So, entirely possible for it to be cheaper to buy 20 than 6. Of course that doesn't make up for the fact that the maintenance on the ETF is probably an absolute headache to deal with.
I want to be this guy’s tire salesman
Who makes this veh ?
What type of mining is this vehicle to be used for ? Have been involved with open pit copper mining and from what they are showing in this video, they would be a major issue with maintenance , plus the dust and mud that gets into to every thing. One of the reasons for the large mining trucks, and while they are bigger they are a simple design that has been in use for decades of experience. Is this a Chinese company that is pushing this vehicle for sale ? If this is such a great vehicle, why is this video computer generated, and were are the real life using video's ?
Tf bro. These trucks are real. Idk what to say about the maintenance tho. And based on Google, the company that made it is european. But I am not sure yet if these trucks are indeed real...
Must be a prototype
I’m going to bet they will crash and burn. The beds are too small, not enough fuel space, wheels will wear too quickly, huge maintenance (especially with the silica dust in most mining areas), hugely complicated and expensive to maintain. The list goes on and on
@@MaharlikanEmpire_61"these trucks are real bro. I'm not sure if they're real." Sorry, just found this funny. Lmao
These trucks have been designed YEARS ago, you should research about it since this person just stole the video and put it on YT shorts
it looks like an animation
I wonder why
Man... that C.G.I
Mining equipment operates flawlessly. 😅 I doubt this will ever reach production.
It indeed seems not.
In 2015 the first would be made, but no videos of it working in reality exists as far as a quick search tells.
Systems that are already in use for decades in the Netherlands over in Europe. Companies like, for example, Terberg produce 4 and 5 axle dumptrucks with 3-4 axles steered and driven. So: no fantasy here!
Good Thing it already exists for 10 years
Oh, now I look, indeed.
In 2015 the first would be made, but no videos of it working in reality exists as far as a quick search tells.
@edopronk1303 the Chinese copied it, though, for some reason.
😂😂 La Mariguana hace dañoooo 😂😂😅
Coal/ore trains: “are you trying to challenge me?”
Looks like something in a video game.
There are so many more parts that can break and need maintenance!
Also, the tire cost comparison was pretty damn dishonest. Compare 20 of those tires to a set of "regular" mining truck tires!!
Cat 797F: Simple diesel engine with generator and one electric engine per wheel, two axles (one steerable, one Driven). Simple and repairable on the site, little to no electronics.
ETF: Everything controlled by electronics like engine, steering, dump bed. If one thing breaks it stops working, can't be fixed on site because ELECTRONICS
I worked in a quarry. Those smaller tires wont withstand the sharp rocks a long time! at our komatsu hd405 dump trucks, we got new tires every jear !! The gravel roads wear out tires veeery quick...
This is an awesome concept! Maintenance will be a killer but versatile
Always remember, no one wants to pay for maintenance. Would you rather use a truck that works and does the job for 30 years, or a truck that cost 5x as much and lasts 5 years? This will never go anywhere
Finally somewhere besides Australia had road trains, the mining industry here is gonna love these. Especially open cut ones
I'm actually getting Damnation Alley vibes off of this!
The irony of an economical mining dump truck
As a mechanic, it's cool and futuristic but it's a nightmare for us 100%
They are electric, therefore they won’t be used in most mines (eg. Australia) anywhere in the near future.
Cant wait for the icbm launcher version
The staff who do the maintenance gonna cry😂
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How u finish your lottery ticket in one day 😅
Nice animation 💯
That’s awesome and looks so good
The Tire Changes, Mechanical Parts for the Bucket and Housing for the Wheel That Rotate will be Expensive to Maintain or Replace.
In development since the 90's. There are rare photos of an incomplete prototype.
Imagine driving this monster of a truck in Zombie Apocalypse scenario 😅😂.
Looks good
Smart design I'm Shure it's not a Ford product
Thanks, might buy one
Putting the nightmare of maintenance aside, it's too small for big companies, yet too expensive for small companies.
I have been looking for this concept for YEARS! AND I FOUND IT ON YT SHORTS
Imagine in Snowrunner
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I can only see them make sense in a smaller mine where the space is limited, and you have indeed super maintenance already.
When you have a gigantic mine with a crane that fills your dumper full in two scoops, this smaller size has no use.
This would be good in a zombie apocalypse
Yes the ETF a completly virtual 3D vehicule that was tested on the field for years because of course it was built, it s a cool concept but we still have to see a real prototype to confirm what you are saying
It's not just for mining obviously it's multipurpose. Even if not all of those features in just one machine, the cumulative technologies on display here have a number of applications across every heavy industry in the world. Like if you can rotate the truck you don't need a swiveling dump bed. Like everything doesn't have to be on one vehicle but these assorted technologies are obviously going to be helpful.
I WANT ONE OR TWO😊
Cool it's not like it hasn't been done before
In 2015 the first would be made, but no videos of it working in reality exists as far as a quick search tells.
Show us something real and in working operation. One can't be astonished at something that doesn't exist
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Right because paying truck drivers is what’s really difficult for mining operators
Tell me how to be the driver of this mine truck, if i could i want to apply.
Not new. This was invented in the USA back before ww2. Germany durning ww2 many prototypes but never built a production because of cost. After ww2 Russia built several for exploration. Same with the USA. The reason this was not adopted. Cost of maintenance out weighed the cost of the tires. That and electric motor fails.
Parabéns pra novo caminhão 🚚
Redesigning the train just more complicated
I think someone didn’t pay attention in math class ‘’20 tires’’ 😅😂
🙄
Each axle is a dually, meaning there’s two tires per side; four tires per axle. Multiplied over five axles yields twenty tires. There’s some parts in the video that shows it having two tires per side.
Edit: Looking at the video more closely, the tires on either side are actually independent of each other. So it’s more like there’s a pair of casters on each side, like an office chair.
Until the ball joints and tie rods wear out requiring the truck to be out of service for two months and 10 wheel alignments
...............🤣🤣
That rotating dump bed would capsize the truck
Tank tread controls on wheels
First vehicle of that type was the NORMAG VC 12 produced in 1940 for military use in Germany. Only one of 125 existing today.
AMAZING ! Veriy good ! ❤❤❤
4 big wheels are WAY cheaper than 10 independent axles
Is it practical? No. Is it reasonable? No. Is it functional? No. Is it cool as hell? Abso-freaking-lutely.
yup that is how i build my vehicles in scrap mechanic~ or with tank stearing~ really efficient
You didn't showed us the real truck, animation won't work. So, I give it a 👎
Holy mother of maintenance!
Technology never seizes to amaze me I saw this in a game and wondered what it was now I know
This is a harvester from Dune
It will never leave the computer
This is cool and all, but I’d rather look at a big mining truck
Hopefully this is a mod in Farming Simulator 25 once the game launches!
I will believe it when I see the prototype
Could be useful for getting around in London.
engineers biggest nightmare:
Road train! But wow expensive, I'm now so sure it's cheaper overall or more economical. That's debatable
The swivel will be a nightmare for maintenance and engineer just stick with each truck backing in
That crawler rocket launcher that thu US. Army uses but its for construction.😅
I guarantee it has 10 huge electric motors, so all thoae tires can steer while propelling. Probably a series-hybrid, like a freight train
I need this in snowrunner
So what happens when that one driver phones in sick! 😂😂
More moving and mechanical parts in unsprung weight sector = More maintenance and unreliability factor
Sick that there even is in ETF about this car-like thing to invest in. Can‘t find it via my brokerage. Any hints?
It's the All-Steer concept.
Exits on large mobile cranes for decades
Hard work Tire man 😂
All wheel turning? *Libherr enters the chat*
and Tatra...
Thanks, i will buy etf trucks for my mines, i was going to buy cat, you saved me
Is this the new constructicon-
It’s more like turns on a dime not never overturning
I feel like this would fall if the tray flipped 😅
* When not in a shop replacing the steering/turning knuckles for the all wheel steering.
Alright, who’s putting this in Farming Sim 22?
The size is for physical strength and ability to endure the most damaging job for any machine that's ever existed for operation on Earth.
Crans do same thing
I counted ten wheels on either side. They appear a single tyre on each.. there might be spare tyres.
The gold rush... Mr beets might want this
I'm just saying man; there's a reason this footage is virtual...
Nah that steering is pretty commen in trailmakers (though usually on tanks since there are no treads in trailmakers)
"The design is very human"