Hello everyone, I just made a full length artcore-ish track. If you liked this video you may want to check it out! ruclips.net/video/SmxKNykmyTY/видео.html
Thank you, I love these kind of videos, and your music's great! I'd love more of these for sure, though I'd also LOVE a longer recording of a full no-commentary process of you just making something start to finish
i would reccomend including "art core tutorial" in the description so it shows up when people search. that way your not limited to people randomly finding it!
When making a full track how many bars of the melody/instrumentals would you usually compose until you repeat them? Or is this something where it's never repeated and remains "original" from start to finish?
Ah... I struggled with that question for quite some time actually... I think music is generally about a balance between predictability and variability, and the amount of each varies from genre to genre and song to song. That being said there are a few heuristics I've found that work pretty well in conventional pop music. The listener is typically fine with 2 completely identical repetitions of the same idea in the same configuration. That's why a lot of the time you will hear a chorus or drop hook repeated twice. The first rep familiarizes the listener, and the second legitimizes. On the third repetition they may get tired, but slight variation, like an added instrument or some counterpoint, will keep them interested. How long are ideas? A motif may be as small as 2 notes (The theme of SYN-ACK is 5 16th notes), while a full melody line might go up to 16 bars. I find 8 bars to be a decent middle ground, not so long that listeners become disoriented but long enough to get some meaningful development. So I usually create an 8bar progression or melody, then layer that up till its a decent song segment. Then I vary it, and depending on what kind of song structure I'm going for I'll create a B or C section. Hope this helps!! Might have been an overkill response haha
@@maokus No it's not overkill! I greatly appreciate the response, lots of helpful information :) When you mention the B and C section, are there any examples of how you may structure it? Like ABABC, etc
@@GriffithEnjoyer69 I usually copy from songs I enjoy! Singer-songwriter stuff usually goes smth like AABCABCC, sonata form is either ABA or ABCDAB, I have a soft spot for AABBAA structures.
Thanks! Short exponential curves at the start or end of a note tend to work pretty well, but sometimes even linear portamento can work. Using MPE instruments allows for a great deal of precision in programming your slides. Also, try not to slide then sustain on a pitch bent note, because the samplers typically arn't designed for that kind of usage. Instead, add a slide up on the previous note, then sneak a note change in somewhere so that you keep the sustain on the actual midi note you play. If all else fails, copy a real performance pitch curve! It works much better than trying to program, but can be time consuming. Melodyne is a useful tool for extracting the curve from a real performance, but youre gonna have to translate that to MIDI instructions by hand (auto midi tools create huge messes)
How do yo you actually create complex pianos like that ? Did you took classes before ? When I do pianos I don't know how to do more than just full chords ahah.
I haven't taken any clases per se, I learned mostly by transcribing piano lines that I like. If I had to give some tips, triplets and syncopated bass do pretty well to make the illusion of complexity!
@@maokus Thank you very much for your reply will definitely try it. Because these looked very « pro » so you do everything on the mouse right ? Not real playing if I understood correctly
I used the default ableton suite instruments (string quartet, solo violin, solo clarinet), UVI model D for the piano, LABS handbells(free!). If youre not willing to buy stuff, BBC symphony orchestra has an ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC free orchestral VST for the ensemble parts. Good solo instruments are harder to find, but I've heard VSCO orchestra has some decent ones.
@@phigibo I assume you mean pitch bend, yeah bbcso free version doesn't let you do pitch bending unfortunately. It's wonderful for sketching out instrumentals though
how do you program a violine to be fortepiano? is that just something thats part of the vst or can you fernangle it with any violin vst? is it just a automation of the volume of the Vst?
Yep! It's just automation of the volume. There have to be some characteristics in the original sound (like scratch in the forceful attack) in order to make it convincing, but other than that it's quite simple. Usually, solo violin samplers have that strong sound mapped to a very high velocity, so you may have to mess with dynamics to make it not stand out as well.
Thanks for the comment! I believe youre talking about the "Macro 1" automation lanes, those are just mapped to the volume. (between -12db and 5db, if youre interested in replicating it) I use them because they make the automation process more intuitive.
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Hello everyone, I just made a full length artcore-ish track. If you liked this video you may want to check it out!
ruclips.net/video/SmxKNykmyTY/видео.html
This is exactly what I've been searching for for months now, funny how it finds its way into my recommended instead.
The YT algorithm has blessed this video 🙏
So, this is how to make sonic music
True and real
Thank you, I love these kind of videos, and your music's great! I'd love more of these for sure, though I'd also LOVE a longer recording of a full no-commentary process of you just making something start to finish
Thanks! I likely won't be able to record while working (because my laptop would explode) but I'll keep the idea in mind :)
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that's impressive, amazing production...
love this! the violin sounds so good and it all ties together so nicely, super helpful!
happy to be your 200th subscriber, love your other videos too keep going !!
Thanks :))))
Great work and thank you for the tut!
Thank you!
This is a great tutorial! Love this style of music!
woah this is actually really helpful
Yay
i would reccomend including "art core tutorial" in the description so it shows up when people search. that way your not limited to people randomly finding it!
HAHA sure
thank you!
wah i love artcore ^ ,^ nice vid ‼️
okay i know what im going to make next :3
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@@maokus omg maokus replied to my comment yipeee!!!
i wanna play some melty bloodddd
I just googled the melty blood ost thats dope
I have to level up my scoring, I accidentally dumped all my points into sound design :(
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which plugin/library did you use for the strings? i have been looking for some good orchestra vsts these day
When making a full track how many bars of the melody/instrumentals would you usually compose until you repeat them? Or is this something where it's never repeated and remains "original" from start to finish?
Ah... I struggled with that question for quite some time actually... I think music is generally about a balance between predictability and variability, and the amount of each varies from genre to genre and song to song. That being said there are a few heuristics I've found that work pretty well in conventional pop music.
The listener is typically fine with 2 completely identical repetitions of the same idea in the same configuration. That's why a lot of the time you will hear a chorus or drop hook repeated twice. The first rep familiarizes the listener, and the second legitimizes. On the third repetition they may get tired, but slight variation, like an added instrument or some counterpoint, will keep them interested.
How long are ideas? A motif may be as small as 2 notes (The theme of SYN-ACK is 5 16th notes), while a full melody line might go up to 16 bars. I find 8 bars to be a decent middle ground, not so long that listeners become disoriented but long enough to get some meaningful development.
So I usually create an 8bar progression or melody, then layer that up till its a decent song segment. Then I vary it, and depending on what kind of song structure I'm going for I'll create a B or C section.
Hope this helps!! Might have been an overkill response haha
@@maokus No it's not overkill! I greatly appreciate the response, lots of helpful information :) When you mention the B and C section, are there any examples of how you may structure it? Like ABABC, etc
@@GriffithEnjoyer69 I usually copy from songs I enjoy! Singer-songwriter stuff usually goes smth like AABCABCC, sonata form is either ABA or ABCDAB, I have a soft spot for AABBAA structures.
@maokus I see, thanks for the help!
@@GriffithEnjoyer69 npnp
Great performance 😃
I didn't... perform anything though
Great tutorial! Just wanted to ask how you got the violin note slides/portamento sounding good? My attempt sounds quite artificial
Thanks! Short exponential curves at the start or end of a note tend to work pretty well, but sometimes even linear portamento can work. Using MPE instruments allows for a great deal of precision in programming your slides. Also, try not to slide then sustain on a pitch bent note, because the samplers typically arn't designed for that kind of usage. Instead, add a slide up on the previous note, then sneak a note change in somewhere so that you keep the sustain on the actual midi note you play.
If all else fails, copy a real performance pitch curve! It works much better than trying to program, but can be time consuming. Melodyne is a useful tool for extracting the curve from a real performance, but youre gonna have to translate that to MIDI instructions by hand (auto midi tools create huge messes)
How do yo you actually create complex pianos like that ? Did you took classes before ? When I do pianos I don't know how to do more than just full chords ahah.
I haven't taken any clases per se, I learned mostly by transcribing piano lines that I like. If I had to give some tips, triplets and syncopated bass do pretty well to make the illusion of complexity!
@@maokus Thank you very much for your reply will definitely try it. Because these looked very « pro » so you do everything on the mouse right ? Not real playing if I understood correctly
@@personalpass Yep, I cant play piano that well :( but having a keyboard really helps in sketching out chords
What vsts do you use for the violins and other instruments?
I used the default ableton suite instruments (string quartet, solo violin, solo clarinet), UVI model D for the piano, LABS handbells(free!). If youre not willing to buy stuff, BBC symphony orchestra has an ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC free orchestral VST for the ensemble parts. Good solo instruments are harder to find, but I've heard VSCO orchestra has some decent ones.
@@maokus I can't seem to automate BBC symphony orchestra. am I doing something wrong? like, I can't do vibratos and stuff on the violins
@@phigibo I assume you mean pitch bend, yeah bbcso free version doesn't let you do pitch bending unfortunately. It's wonderful for sketching out instrumentals though
Keep going!
how do you program a violine to be fortepiano? is that just something thats part of the vst or can you fernangle it with any violin vst? is it just a automation of the volume of the Vst?
Yep! It's just automation of the volume. There have to be some characteristics in the original sound (like scratch in the forceful attack) in order to make it convincing, but other than that it's quite simple. Usually, solo violin samplers have that strong sound mapped to a very high velocity, so you may have to mess with dynamics to make it not stand out as well.
Forgot to mention! The volume automation need not be a function of the VST itself, I just stuck a gain knob after the instrument on the signal chain.
What are the string and piano vsts? They sound great!
Piano is uvi model d (i think) and string is stock ableton suite solo violin :)
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Hello, thank you for your video, I was wondering what kind of macro do you use on the violin solo and Eb clar.
Thanks for the comment! I believe youre talking about the "Macro 1" automation lanes, those are just mapped to the volume. (between -12db and 5db, if youre interested in replicating it) I use them because they make the automation process more intuitive.
@@maokus okk thank you :)
Are you going to publish this song? It sounds amazing!
If I can find the motivation to complete it...
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what is the violin VST?
It's ableton orchestra strings - solo violin. Comes with ableton suite.
Software ?
Ableton!
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Sounds good, if you want to add real strings you can talk to me.. Good luck anyways:)
What is your email?
It's in my about! I prefer discord though :)
@@maokus I would like to send a collaborate proposal. Where to?
@@mwarts We can discuss on discord if you have it, else you can shoot me an email through maokaros@gmail.com