Harsh words about MtA, especially of how true they are. It has actually always been really funny to me as Mage really managed to capture the sense of how to play with magic, but in order to build that system, it needed to be extremely abstract. Which meant that it required so much more from the GM and the players to have a fun game because Oh God the arguments you can have with that ruleset. Which has always been a shame as as much as Werewolf continues to be my first love in WoD, there was just something really brilliant about Mage.
I do absolutely adore Mage for that reason. It looks and sounds like a nightmare but it is easily my 2nd favorite WoD setting. Its so cool I wanna try it with my group someday.
I feel the lore of classic World of Darkness was written by getting conspiracy theorists and horror buffs together and giving them all dangerous amounts of acid.
Get yourself a setting where you can say the Earth is hollow, space isnt real, aliens are ghosts, the world is controlled by a wizard shadow government, and we have remnants of an ancient lizard people civilization. All completely seriously. Based.
The timeline is a little vague, but I think the 6th great maelstrom also occurs during this week, with two separate detonations of relic nukes (the ghosts of Fat Man and Little Boy) were simultaneously detonated at Enoch and in the mouth of Oblivion.
True! I think I mentioned it somewhere else in the comments here but originally I did mention this. But I butchered the lore so bad I had to completely scrap it lol. Wraith is a cool setting and all but its one of my much weaker points in WoD admittedly.
I see it now! I thought I was the first person to point it out. Oh well, comments are good for the algorithm, right? Don't start leaving out Wraith lore on purpose just to harvest comments from the two Wraith fans out there.
Lol normally would have been able to re-record the segment but some scheduling stuff got in the way. I pride myself on making sure the single Changling fan is happy, the couple Mage fans are happy, and now will keep the 2 Wraith fans happy lmao.
TFW you spirit nuke some vampire demigods so hard you dismantle your own plans for humanity's ascension I was not disappointed by the insanity that was the week of nightmares, but the reveal that hollow earth is real in the World of Darkness really shook me hard. That last thirty seconds really felt like the "don't you know how to drive" bit from I Think You Should Leave
Man, I have to admit that I had completely missed the Hollow Earth stuff. Although with quick checking, it was only the Stargazers who even have stuff about it in their book on the Werewolf side. By the way, there were two forgotten points about the Week of Nightmares here. The Perfect Metis of the Garou, although to be fair that seemed to be just randomly at the same time for reasons, and the Maelstrom of the Wraith. For those two fans of the Wraith game.
I'll be real, Perfect Metis was left out cause I have such a basic understanding of Werewolf it would be the exact same joke as the Changing bit I did. And I did have a part on the 6th Great Maelstrom originally... then in my edit I realized the info was so completely incorrect and too late to redo it so I just scrapped it.
There was a show ex girlfriend showed me ,it was called Kindred: the embraced . I think it may be from this universe. Has anyone else seen it? It’s like from 1996
Yep! Thats based off Vampire the Masquerade. Its not lore accurate, but the vibes and themes are very true to the source material. Sadly despite everything never got more episodes cause the lead actor passed in a motorcycle accident shortly after the finale and none of the cast/crew felt right continuing the show without him.
just want to say, i love your videos! your tone and explanations are just casual enough to be entertaining but super super informative. thanks for making WOD lore so accessible and entertaining :)
So you missed out on the fact that two Relic(ghost) Nukes went off in the underworld during the Week of Nightmares, one was being used by the Wraiths to wipe out a secret city of Vampires called Enoch that happened to be in the Underworld. The other one was being used by a Technocratic Mage who was attempting to perform an experiment near Oblivion which is at the center of the Underworld. They both exploded around the same time causing a massive spiritual storm called the Sixth Great Malestrom which basically caused the Wraith line to end a few years earlier than the rest of the World of Darkness games. I wouldn't be surprised if there was more stuff to that Week of Nightmares but the fact that White Wolf was like lets drop at bare minumum 3 spiritual nukes(I don't know how many bombs they used on the Ravnos Antideluvian) in less than a week just hilarious. Also that two of those instances were the god damn Technocracy's fault... Chef's kiss.
Wait the week of nightmares takes place in the 90s? Has anything else happened since then because an antediluvian rising is a really big deal. Like no other major signs of gehenna or other ancient vampires rising?
Theres other signs. The significant rise of thin bloods for one. The increasing strength of the Second Inquisition for another. Right now though its the Gehenna War in the Middle East. A bunch of the clan Elders were called to the region to fight against the Sabbat. Something *bad* is going down over there. And its gonna get worse soon.
Maaaan I know you got your metrics you wanna adhere to, but I REALLY wanna see you just go in on the madness of this event for at least an hour just have the backround going crazy with all the wildness that this event was lol.......wait Lizards in Hollow Earth?!
Sad to burst your bubble just a bit here, but there just isnt that much written on the Week of Nightmares to go that long lol. The longest source from White Wolf is around 20 pages and half of that is GM tools talking about how to impliment it into your game. Which hurts cause if there was more I would love to make a much longer and crazier video. But 5e isn't gonna ever touch on the Week of Nightmares so we got what we got. The best I could have done here is give more context into the 6th Great Maelstrom and the setting of Wraith the Oblivion. A setting I have a surface level set of info on and had some issues after the Week of Nightmares. Which I cut out of the video since I butchered that storyline so bad in my retelling I had to get rid of it lmao.
I feel zapa didn't die. Vampires are great at faking their own death. A sun laser seems like a pretty convenient way to get everyone to think he's dead.
Its possible enough to have that be true in an individual chronicle. If you're gonna play up to that scale lol. But theres some bits. Like his blood writhing on the ground like snakes. And V5 added some fun bit that apparently all that remains is a vial of his blood. Which if you wanna be very true to WoD canon. Then the avenue would be that he did final death, but he could maybe return... If some kindred was dumb enough to try and drink it maybe lol. Not exactly how diablre works but again wiggle room.
Both. Same timeline still. Only main bit that got some retcon between editions was Gehenna. Less world is ending more vampire elder politics in the Middle East.
do you want to know something even more stupid you mised two more factions one is a ghost lord from wraith the oblivion setting the nuke litte boy off in the city of enoch and the other is a different faction of mages prematurley setting of there nukes
Oh yeah a classic moment for sure lol. I originally had that mentioned but I bungled the Wraith lore so bad I scrapped it lol. My proficiency is Vtm then distantly followed by Mage.
"I'm Scared" perfectly normal reaction after learning Mage lore lmao
Finally, the wildest story in WoD. Everyone was involved and it showed just how far of a sliding scale vampirism is.
6:39 "You have to realize that reality is fake and cringe"
Goshdarnit I'm a wizard.
I'm so gonna clip that tho.
It's because of this event that my tabletop group started to play 2E VtM and I'm loving it! My GM is going hard on the "Gehenna has started" setting
Harsh words about MtA, especially of how true they are. It has actually always been really funny to me as Mage really managed to capture the sense of how to play with magic, but in order to build that system, it needed to be extremely abstract. Which meant that it required so much more from the GM and the players to have a fun game because Oh God the arguments you can have with that ruleset.
Which has always been a shame as as much as Werewolf continues to be my first love in WoD, there was just something really brilliant about Mage.
I do absolutely adore Mage for that reason. It looks and sounds like a nightmare but it is easily my 2nd favorite WoD setting. Its so cool I wanna try it with my group someday.
I feel the lore of classic World of Darkness was written by getting conspiracy theorists and horror buffs together and giving them all dangerous amounts of acid.
Get yourself a setting where you can say the Earth is hollow, space isnt real, aliens are ghosts, the world is controlled by a wizard shadow government, and we have remnants of an ancient lizard people civilization. All completely seriously. Based.
That's what makes it so great
For someone named "Glueboy" this was very well put together...now to re-listen because sheeeeeit!
A lot happened 😭
The timeline is a little vague, but I think the 6th great maelstrom also occurs during this week, with two separate detonations of relic nukes (the ghosts of Fat Man and Little Boy) were simultaneously detonated at Enoch and in the mouth of Oblivion.
True! I think I mentioned it somewhere else in the comments here but originally I did mention this. But I butchered the lore so bad I had to completely scrap it lol. Wraith is a cool setting and all but its one of my much weaker points in WoD admittedly.
I see it now! I thought I was the first person to point it out. Oh well, comments are good for the algorithm, right? Don't start leaving out Wraith lore on purpose just to harvest comments from the two Wraith fans out there.
Lol normally would have been able to re-record the segment but some scheduling stuff got in the way. I pride myself on making sure the single Changling fan is happy, the couple Mage fans are happy, and now will keep the 2 Wraith fans happy lmao.
@@glueboy Oh shit, where's my other fellow Wraith fan?
@@arcticcirclepit2008 Right here.
It's me! I am the one Changeling fan
Based
One?
TFW you spirit nuke some vampire demigods so hard you dismantle your own plans for humanity's ascension
I was not disappointed by the insanity that was the week of nightmares, but the reveal that hollow earth is real in the World of Darkness really shook me hard. That last thirty seconds really felt like the "don't you know how to drive" bit from I Think You Should Leave
Gonna start responding to any hate comment with "You don't wanna help me you just wanna yell" now. One of the best sketches from that show btw lmao
5:31 Legitimately nodding along faux-knowledgeably, ty for giving me a second to do so
Showed up because of the Arthur Bones 40K Collab.
Stayed to hear your take on the idiocy that is WoD.
Subbed because you're a funny bas+ard.
Appreciate it bro! Glad to hear you liked my part in the collab!
Started my own Dark Ages campaign on Discord that’s set at the height of Mithras’ reign. This is my favorite ttrpg!
It's late 1997 on my channel, I'm looking forward to my players experiencing that Week of Nightmares hahaha
Man, I have to admit that I had completely missed the Hollow Earth stuff. Although with quick checking, it was only the Stargazers who even have stuff about it in their book on the Werewolf side.
By the way, there were two forgotten points about the Week of Nightmares here. The Perfect Metis of the Garou, although to be fair that seemed to be just randomly at the same time for reasons, and the Maelstrom of the Wraith. For those two fans of the Wraith game.
I'll be real, Perfect Metis was left out cause I have such a basic understanding of Werewolf it would be the exact same joke as the Changing bit I did. And I did have a part on the 6th Great Maelstrom originally... then in my edit I realized the info was so completely incorrect and too late to redo it so I just scrapped it.
@@glueboy To be real in return, even as someone who adores WtA, I would have a nightmare of a time trying to explain the Perfect Metis thing.
There was a show ex girlfriend showed me ,it was called Kindred: the embraced . I think it may be from this universe. Has anyone else seen it? It’s like from 1996
Yep! Thats based off Vampire the Masquerade. Its not lore accurate, but the vibes and themes are very true to the source material. Sadly despite everything never got more episodes cause the lead actor passed in a motorcycle accident shortly after the finale and none of the cast/crew felt right continuing the show without him.
@@glueboy thanks my dude this channel fucking rules
just want to say, i love your videos! your tone and explanations are just casual enough to be entertaining but super super informative. thanks for making WOD lore so accessible and entertaining :)
Glad to hear! Thats my exact intention.
zapathasura might not even be dead lol chimerstry 10.
So you missed out on the fact that two Relic(ghost) Nukes went off in the underworld during the Week of Nightmares, one was being used by the Wraiths to wipe out a secret city of Vampires called Enoch that happened to be in the Underworld.
The other one was being used by a Technocratic Mage who was attempting to perform an experiment near Oblivion which is at the center of the Underworld. They both exploded around the same time causing a massive spiritual storm called the Sixth Great Malestrom which basically caused the Wraith line to end a few years earlier than the rest of the World of Darkness games.
I wouldn't be surprised if there was more stuff to that Week of Nightmares but the fact that White Wolf was like lets drop at bare minumum 3 spiritual nukes(I don't know how many bombs they used on the Ravnos Antideluvian) in less than a week just hilarious.
Also that two of those instances were the god damn Technocracy's fault... Chef's kiss.
Bump with a bite!
Wait the week of nightmares takes place in the 90s?
Has anything else happened since then because an antediluvian rising is a really big deal. Like no other major signs of gehenna or other ancient vampires rising?
Theres other signs. The significant rise of thin bloods for one. The increasing strength of the Second Inquisition for another. Right now though its the Gehenna War in the Middle East. A bunch of the clan Elders were called to the region to fight against the Sabbat. Something *bad* is going down over there. And its gonna get worse soon.
Maaaan I know you got your metrics you wanna adhere to, but I REALLY wanna see you just go in on the madness of this event for at least an hour just have the backround going crazy with all the wildness that this event was lol.......wait Lizards in Hollow Earth?!
Sad to burst your bubble just a bit here, but there just isnt that much written on the Week of Nightmares to go that long lol. The longest source from White Wolf is around 20 pages and half of that is GM tools talking about how to impliment it into your game. Which hurts cause if there was more I would love to make a much longer and crazier video. But 5e isn't gonna ever touch on the Week of Nightmares so we got what we got.
The best I could have done here is give more context into the 6th Great Maelstrom and the setting of Wraith the Oblivion. A setting I have a surface level set of info on and had some issues after the Week of Nightmares. Which I cut out of the video since I butchered that storyline so bad in my retelling I had to get rid of it lmao.
5:33 and here I am thinking...only 3?
I feel zapa didn't die. Vampires are great at faking their own death. A sun laser seems like a pretty convenient way to get everyone to think he's dead.
Its possible enough to have that be true in an individual chronicle. If you're gonna play up to that scale lol. But theres some bits. Like his blood writhing on the ground like snakes. And V5 added some fun bit that apparently all that remains is a vial of his blood. Which if you wanna be very true to WoD canon. Then the avenue would be that he did final death, but he could maybe return... If some kindred was dumb enough to try and drink it maybe lol. Not exactly how diablre works but again wiggle room.
I am also that one Changeling Dreaming Fan lol.
Hi, I'm MtA fan #3. 😄😅😃
Did the week of nightmares take place in V5 or V20?
Both. Same timeline still. Only main bit that got some retcon between editions was Gehenna. Less world is ending more vampire elder politics in the Middle East.
do you want to know something even more stupid you mised two more factions one is a ghost lord from wraith the oblivion setting the nuke litte boy off in the city of enoch and the other is a different faction of mages prematurley setting of there nukes
Oh yeah a classic moment for sure lol. I originally had that mentioned but I bungled the Wraith lore so bad I scrapped it lol. My proficiency is Vtm then distantly followed by Mage.
@@glueboy they all manged to do this at the same time as spirit nukes went without actually being aware of each other
it's so stupid i love it