What Happens If China Colonizes Mars Before NASA & SpaceX?
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If China were to win, it would give new meaning to Mars' nickname, "Red Planet".
Then 🇺🇸 will file accusations that China cannot guarantee the human rights of astronauts on Mars, and start to set up a "Smear China Media Association" on Mars, and ask Congress to pass a new smear China budget
!!!Hahahaha...smart..!!!!
No, no, no. Not funny. It already has a name for thousands of years: "Fire Planet“.
@@binhu8625 but Mars is extremely cold
@@binhu8625 the dumbest fucking comment i have ever seen. Who the fuck ever called mars the fire planet?
Here's a wording different: China calls it Mars Exploration/immigration, and US calls it colonization. Which shows how different the purpose of their programs.
China expects to immigrate after Musk colonizes.
Bingo. As soon as someone else does anything that America is doing, it's a RACE. China is just doing its own thing -- why is America so insecure about what other people are doing on their own time frame?
Don't worry about it. It is just a Whiteman's mentality - Grab everything in sight as their own. If locals are there, either kill or enslave them. This hasn't change in the last 500 years and is unlikely to change.
@@sleepyjoe4529 You must'nt have spoken to many Chinese or Russian people. The insecurity they have with regards to the US is astounding.
@@RH-qt2vk lol,
China took away our jobs
China is ripping us off
China is buying our politicians
China is selling us junk
China os forcing us to buy all shits
China is threat
Go ask any American, you will find a kingdom of insecurity there.
@ 11:41 🤫🤗🤭 I was really serious listening. I didn't expect the punch line.
Lol. 😅😂🤣
China’s stuff looks so cool. I wish the worlds space agencies could work together to make human life interplanetary.
you think a bunch of painted shipping containers in the desert is cool looking? Are you a Chinese bot?
China won't.. it is something else
China is doing for domination
To Take over the USA.
too bad the US government banned NASA from working with China since 2 decades ago, otherwise CSS would've been a sizable wing of the ISS. how cool would that have be?
Humanity does work together.
China does not work with the rest of humanity.
China is the enemy of the human race.
@lexbeaf364 it’s true… Governments are always fighting over resources in one way or another.
I wouldn't worry about China or anyone else. There are far too many enormous obstacles to overcome before Mars colonization ever becomes a reality, not to mention the multi-trillion dollar investment it would require..
I don't believe Humans can ever survive on Mars. Perhaps one day we will have a colony of robots there and man will visit for short stays?
@@steveallen1635 no humans can , but what energy or money will it cost
nice statement, but it will depend on inventions
Are you serious? What kind of mentality is that? Getting to Mars and developing space capabilities should be an absolute priority. Forget National Prestige and pride. Think about all the by-product technological breakthroughs that come with a space race? We need to have a competitive spirit and stay ahead. We can’t let them have even a chance!! It’s embarrassing we can’t launch our own fucking astronauts!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, these fears are currently unfounded! If we're gonna make a play for Mars, say within this century, it would have to be a Global effort!
Beyond that however, who knows?
I'll support them both, no matter who wins. It's gonna be amazing.
Unless Fascism.
@@saturnianrings3920 But Fascism is awesome...!!!
Great uniforms,
Free indoctrination,
Empty bellies full of food,
Minimal Corruption becuz of fear,
And a few million *missing* folks.!!!
@@paulheydarian1281 The only time I condone Fascism, is when I’m at the top. So almost never.
@@gustavosandoval8044 yknow. A bunch of people alone on a planet, coming from a country that is practically an overly complicated dictatorship.
@@gustavosandoval8044 China is a party controlled country, so freedom in the average sense of the word isn’t the first thing on anyones mind when you came from a country like that. I also bet that if colonization appears on Mars, then they will send a party member astronaut. Dunno tho. So fascism on mars.
I'm gonna be real here as a US citizen I'd sign up to go to mars without hesitation no question.. I'm willing to take every risk, radiation, perchlorates, isolation, getting lost in space all of it.. the man I envy more than anyone is neil armstrong.. I can't imagine being the VERY FIRST ever living thing/human stepping foot on another Astral body that is in my opinion the most emotionally rewarding and amazing moments possible other than stepping on another planet or the first on another planet in a different star system.. or similar things of that nature
Imagine a person like you selected as an astronaut just to get vaporized from fuel leak before reaching leo
@@vincentdesun lmaooo that would be ass
Actually, he was at least 5th. Don’t forget the camera man, director, the make up artist etc
@@SchooledSavage692 lmao smooth brain shit
This urban legend is so 20th century @@SchooledSavage692
I read about sky ladders 50 years ago. Still waiting for somebody to build one.
I'm 32 and I hope I am alive when we colonize Mars.
I am 72 and very optimistic to see the beginning of it.
eat your vegetables, that's all there will be there, and it will keep you healthy until then, God willing!! I'll stay home and have steaks and bacon, thank you very much!!! ;D LOL
It would be nice if China, NASA, and SpaceX working together so we can see the universe closer.
Maybe it would be nice but America banned China from the space station.
So China is doing what it needs to do.
Except the IS banned China from the international space station. What a jerk move
China has learned to not rely on the US for anything, a lesson which would take India a few more decades to learn.
@@vincentdesun India will always have to rely on someone either it be US or Russia
Well then Mars will be a commie planet until the good guys show up. China will be bankrupt like Russia by then.
How far could we become if only we could work together as humans and not treat each other as threat and competition
What if the competitive (playful) trait is the one necessary for striving forward. Do you see sloths making rockets?
Ohhh, how much I have been saying this. "ONE WORLD, ONE GOAL!"
The more competion there is the more we advance
@@victorgaleuchet5016 nukes
One of the things that Elon Musk has in his favor is the fact that if China looks like they are getting close to being able to establish a colony on the red planet, the United States government would hopefully concentrate their efforts to assist Elon's efforts to make sure that we are able to establish a colony first on Mars
All of our products will say “Made in Mars.”
Yes, and MMGA, "Make Mars Great Again"!! LOL ;D
America and Europe: explore
China: colonize
Beautiful words
Yes, just like Western countries "explore" Asia and Africa..
@@hclau218 you mean china exploring in taiwan?
@@NR-hh8kz Learn recent and ancient history - Taiwan is a province of China. Even the current govt in Taiwan declared that until the 1980s. You ignoramuses are not amusing, just sick. seek help
@@NR-hh8kz yes just like the US exploring Hawaii the Philippines, Puerto Rico, Guam and others
I think we’re forgetting 1.4 billion ppl are wondering “What if NASA beats China?” Vs just .4 billion ppl thinking like us.
Well done, excellent post!
Wouldn't be surprised if China had already started colonising Mars, building high speed rail between various cities, aquaducts sending water from the poles to the equator, as well as multi storey buildings under the Martian soil, they just didn't get around to announcing anything yet.
I have to say it's a little incredulous to expect a Time-line when Starship is still being developed.
The Good thing about Spacex is they are doing everything right in the open and you can literally watch them everyday as they design technology never attempted before, even building their own rocket engines.
To me there is no need for a schedule, just watch it happen right in front of all our eyes.
I suppose the Chinese figured out how to produce unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine (UDMH), dinitrogen tetroxide (N2O2) and more on Mars, for the return vehicles we have not yet heard about. Right?
Nah, the Chinese will colonise Mars when others have demonstrated how, doing most of the R&D and legwork.
@@hermanrobak1285 In the end China can do whatever they want to do if they are capable of it.
What is off-puting is the amount of secrecy and Bragging. Almost all the technology China is using came out of Russia and US. Also off-puting is the lack of Non-CG video.
Both the Soviets missions and the US (Apollo) missions were broadcast to the world to see. Even Elon's Starship is on video on the internet continuosly.
The question for China is this:- Is China's space program going to be more open so that the world can benefit from their contributions, or are they just interested in looking good, so they want to hide what they are doing, only to make so splashy video if they succeed.
Bear in mind that all the technology they are using came out of Germany, Russia, and United States.
@@pobembe1958 I'm not holding my breath in anticipation for *anything* from China. I may be excited by some Chinese space adventures, but I doubt an early Chinese Mars colony will be one of them.
A sprawling Chinatown budding off Elonville a decade or two after NASA or SpaceX have settled on Mars would not surprise me, though.
@@hermanrobak1285 Looks like China's Long March 5B's having some unplanned re-entry issues as we speak.
Hope nobody gets hurt.
Mars is a big place, more than enough room for everyone out there, so no one is taking a whole planet for themselves.
It was always mine anyway.
Yes, even at half our Earth diameter it has similar land surface area, since no oceans there,....... Yet!! ;D LOL
Calm down, we can’t even get to the moon right now.
I had the same dilemma going to the beach. Turns out someone else took my favourite spot. I camped nearby.
There's a big difference between a long-term continuously inhabited research and exploration base and a "colony".
We've had people continuously on Antarctica for decades, and it's not a "colony" to which people will retire and raise children.
China has talked about kilometer scale space structures that allow long-term habitation: obviously they mean O'Neill habitats.
If China has infrastructure in space to start a Stanford Torus at Mars or in Earth-Moon space, then we'd better brush up on learning to speak Chinese.
It's obvious that any nation that has large-scale space efforts going on own the Earth and all Human endeavors, if no one else has bothered to stop watching TV long enough to keep up.
There will not be a "colony" on Mars or the Moon unless and until somebody proves that we can live long-term and stay healthy in low G.
Congratulations, China has successfully bullshitted you. China is capable of some prestige projects in space, but it is still decades behind. In most cases, what China does is more bling than substance, and in space exploration it's no different. And they are paying through the nose to even achieve that much.
Yeah this is what I always think of with this whole idea. Like how about we try to make it there first & to me at least, it would make sense to test everything you’ll do on Mars on the Moon first. Ofc the conditions will vary but the moon is a closer place to have a test run & closer in case something goes wrong.
I believe it will be humanoid robots doing the space traveling ain't no way at 3.721m/s^2 a human will function the same for extended periods of time
Due to the fragility of the human body, it is impossible to inhabit interstellar space with the development of science and technology in a few centuries. Eventually, it may be necessary to mechanize and electronize the body. Eventually, humans will evolve into robots
If such 'tech comes along, maybe, but that's not for human habitation.
The NASA Ames/Stanford space settlement studies in the '70s established that there are no new inventions needed to mine asteroids and moons and to build for virtually Earth-like conditions anywhere in space where there are or to which we bring materials.
Costs and timescales are not beyond many other large infrastructure or industrial developments down here. It's been only political indifference and contrary action, that has kept us from starting.
In my opinion this is the best space industry news RUclips channel. I look forward to watching ur channel grow.
Maybe a tie with marcus house
Best what? That video above contains more bullshit than all of China's and Russia's propaganda channels combined.
@@bob38161 these two d bags peddle nothing but baseless claims. They just regurgitate what NASA says. They receive the info and get their graphic designer to produce some cgi. Then all you fanboys cream your shorts over how amazing the production is and pay no attention to what these false prophets are trying to sell for views and subs. I don't know who's more pathetic, the cronies running the channels or the subs ooohing and ahhhing over "images".....
Mars reality show sounds like such a fun idea lol
We need to use Duck Dodgers of the 21st century. Just watch out for Marvin the Martian because he will vaporize you🤓
IMO always a good idea to remember that the difficult engineering problems of an Earth-based space elevator dwindle quite quickly when ur only fighting Lunar or Mars gravity.
MARS AND THE "MOON LANDING " is all faked by the U S and CHINA
LOL. "Im an expert you know!"
yes, good "labs" for testing theoretical and practical solutions that may/may not be adapted/applied to Earth. : )
china # 1
@@raymonddon8875 LOL ;D
I'm so happy your channel is in existence, as it is the only channel out there (that I'm aware of) that covers these topics regularly.
Low quality propaganda channel 😆 🤣
@@Birch37 canadian mistreatment of n.a., and antiquated u.s. and russian space equipment 🤣
Unless Mars provides some sort of economic, strategic or cultural advantage to Earth, colonizing Mars doesn't mean a damn thing. It will still come down to who is more powerful here on Earth whether or not a nation controls Mars.
Ideally no one nation will control mars.
Mars exploration? Ok.
Mars colonization? No way.
They are both utterly dreaming. There is no possible way within the next 50 years we’re putting a man on Mars. This is nuclear fusion levels of hype (that’s been 20 years away for the last 60 years).
It is SO wild and SO far-fetched I’m amazed that anyone is taking this seriously.
Not man, more like robots to mine precious minerals either autonomously or remotely by astronauts sitting in a space station.
Ask a Chinese youth today what they would like to be when they grow up, many say Taikonaut/Astronaut. Ask the same question to an American youth, many say RUclipsr.
A space elevator (as we usually call it in the west) goes to beyond geostationary orbit (not LEO) , otherwise the counterweight is just a weight.
And then there would be a station in geostationary orbit.
yes right waste of money
Physics clearly says: space elevators do not go beyond idiot's fantasies.
@@hans-joachimbierwirth4727 Space elevators do not exist but if they were to exist, they would, in fact, reach geostationary orbit altitude so that gravity and tension can balance out.
@@fork9001 Nuclear forces do not allow that.
@@hans-joachimbierwirth4727 lol what
Both scenarios indicate human achievement, intelligence and ingenuity. You will be a prouder human "and if" it happens, it would define a landmark innovative human social development perspective. Great one!!
Do you think that we would be able to get to mars quicker with nuclear ships and would the two year window matter as much? Really interesting video by the way 👍
hell no
The two-year cycle will certainly still matter quite much, for a while. You'd essentially have to travel around the Sun, in between. Just like any other planet, Mars regularly vanishes behind our star.
Learning how to use materials found in other planets is critical for a sustainable space travel, immigration or colonization.
Full scale recycling of all materials will also help.
I can see that happening.
That sounds adventurous and romantic. I find it especially fascinating to watch how such technologies are already slowly developing, often furthered through smaller-scale space undertakings.
Mars exploration? Ok.
Mars colonization? No way.
After orbit and landing I bet it's only one or two more then off to Mars. So two years seems more then enough. However. I do expect that first one to be more of a test of the landing systems and not have much of a chance of lifting off again.
Mars exploration? Ok.
Mars colonization? No way.
the Space elevator always reminds me of Jack and the Beanstalk! 😨😅
I stated screaming 😂. On the hairline comment just had to throw that in there lol
“Make humanitary a multiplanetery species, and push us through the great filter”
*Black hole engulfs the solar system*
He forgot about asteroid Apophis coming close in 2029, so we'll see whose timeline is accurate, man's or a big rock's. "Man plans, and God laughs" !! LOL
If they do it’s a good thing. Will spur some good competition.
Dont care who gets there first i just wanna see us get there
Unless there is a alien reactor on Mars that produces air, I will stay here.
I believe that it doesn't matter if it sounds far fetched, we need to be doing this stuff and working towards it.
Yup, we've been doing "far-fetched" stuff since we jumped down from the trees, otherwise we would not be here today! : )
We’re broke.
Doing, "what" stuff? Contaminating Mars with our germs? Robots can be sterilized, humans cannot be. We have no business sending people to Mars until we are 100% sure that there is NO indigenous life there. It may take centuries to be so sure, but, so be it! (Besides, no one's going to want to live on Mars. It's an awful, hostile, deadly place.)
Let’s do this!! Let’s actually build a ship to carry an international crew to mars on a starship and when it comes to stepping onto the surface let’s all step onto mars arms linked arms at the same time to start a United space future
@John Hanley what they should do before landing on mars is write the mars version of the constitution!! Things that start things off in the right direction!! And definitely no politicians only in it to gain fortune and the power!! Only those willing to do right lol
@@nerdwatch1017 who will write that? The USA the so called Land of Laws when in their favor. I would not trust the USA no matter what laws are written. All you have to do is look at past USA history it is a land of Liars not laws.
@John Hanley Yes, space exploration is for the "wolves" of our species, not the "sheep"! ;D
Could we have a literal Mars race like in “For All Mankind”? China, Russia, NASA/SpaceX, ESA all happen to launch on the same Mars transfer window? And a “competition” for who lands first? Maybe some friendly interaction over radio to ease political tension (yes, if the spacecraft are sufficiently close, which they will be if they were to use the same Mars transfer window, radio communication would work between them). And as per the law of the sea, if one ship meets catastrophic failure the nearest ship or the one with the most fuel will save the crew.
@@fork9001 Yup, and I would not mind if the Chinese got there first, we'll need some decent take-out food and good laundry services after several months cooped up in our spacecraft!! Kung poa chicken, yum yum. And not too much starch in the jump-suit collars please!! LOL ;D ;D ;D
Realistically speaking, a Mars colony would cost so much money, like in the trillions of dollars, that no individual, no individual company, or even individual country could afford it. The only way a Mars colony is going to be achieved is essentially by a global effort. And, it's going to take decades or even centuries to accomplish that task.
China is the only nation capible of having such a big economy. USA has like wat 600minllion? China has 5billion.... Their economy could dwarf the rest of the worlds nations combined if they figured it out. It's kinda scary when you think about it. Chinese is the most spoken language. If their economy inproved by 5% every year they would double the USA by 2030
BRAGGING RIGHTS
@@pqqt1046 they might have the Money. Not the capability though. They’re a good decade behind starship. Probably more!!
@ravydavy2306 Ten years is not a long time. It's gone in the blink of an eye. What has NASA done in the past ten years?
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Good essay. A few points of correction, Elon came an affluent family and was not the founder of Tesla.
If that happens, it's because of China has a purpose of accomplishing the goals, unlike NASA and our government is using it as a jobs development program.
capitalism make you lose, they know, thats why eeuu try so hard with coups and assasins to stop socialism.
What is that purpose of the Chinese?
Honestly, I don’t really care of who does it as long as someone does it. I’m so excited for the Mars colonization, Moon base and Venus cloud cities, I truly hope I’ll live long enough to see all of this happening
I agree, we should really just do it, if someone does it the rest will follow and it will turn into a competition and bring out the best in everyone
@@soliderslodge Absolutely, we’re definitely living through the second space race and it’ll do more good than what we realize
As long as it doesn't involve China a country who kill its people because of debt and no freedom for their people a country like that does not deserve to be in space
The Venusian cloud cities are furthest away one would assume. I can imagine in 100 years from now cities on all three and most of the solar system visited by manned expeditions with colonies established on worlds like Titan. It's hard to imagine cities on the moon though since people won't want to live there permanently with the low gravity being too detrimental to health. Mars, not sure about but think it will be possible.
@@distantthunder12ck55 Oh yeah, I feel like the Moon will stay as a research base/space port, I don’t see it becoming an actual city either but I still think it’s pretty cool and would love to see it. As for the cloud cities, it’s been a while since I’ve checked the havoc mission’s plan so I have no clue on the timing, I’ll just believe you as you seem way more informed than I am. It’s interesting how you mention Titan, tho. Do you think that we’ll be able to colonize it in 100 years?
Brilliant!
Helps tremendously to understand WTF is our trajectory.
That'd bring new meaning to the term "the red planet."
It all sounds good and very good ideas in regards to colonizing Mars but if they want to speed things up I would think get the rocket in shape and get a colony of robots that are able to prepare the ground as of now for when the first human ship comes in things are ready to receive them and we could continue with the growth
Exactly! If they spent the same money as they do for rockets etc. on robotics for space developement instead, progress would be unprecedentedly quicker and cheaper (and better)...I reckon. They do seem to be getting the idea though. There are some videos on a similar idea and the TESLA bot project may lean towards this. But why spend so much money doing it the hard way when they could do it better with robots? 😕 Boston Dynamics is maybe demonstrating this possibility right now! Humans are unprecedentedly less cost effective in space travel and building space projects (cos of required life sustainability and stuff). Space X may do the rocket bit with humans but I reckon send the TESLA bot (or both humans and the bots) and gradually develop a robotic construction system. But I reckon do it on earth first and for a decade at least, before actually doing it in space. The robots should be good enough to do it by themselves by then. They should NOT be in any hurry or slackness in space stuff. Just do it in our own time, but do it. Spend the money on robots first then on the rockets when the robots are ready. It would be unprecedentedly hard but not as hard as rushing out there with humans cos of POLITICS (in a hurry). That is not science that is POLITICS.
sure
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Thank you for pointing out Elon's inability to meet a timeline. For private companies to reach mars or the moon will require significant investment by their government's. What governments achieved in a very short time during the space race is testament to that. China's just skipping the middle man.
LMAO China didn’t achieve anything. They just now accomplished what the US and Russia did 60 years ago. Yuri Gagarin first orbited the earth in April 1961. Yang lei Wei the first Chinese astronaut in space was sent up in October, 2008.
On top of that China simply used the technology and methods that the Americans, soviets, and Germans developed, tested, and proved.
It’d be like having 2 kids taking an exam, racing to see who finishes first, then a third kid shows up a week later after the teacher has already graded and handed back the exams. Then that third kid declared he was going to race too, and said he was a better test-taker after he copied the other two’s answers. China is wholly incapable of developing anything themselves. They just steal all of their designs from people who actually have the talent and skill to develop them. Just look at the Chinese military. All of their jets, tanks, planes, and boats are rip offs of American, European, and Russian designs. China will never reach mars first, because all they can do is copy what everyone else is doing.
Elon Musk, turning the impossible into late.
When you can do better, then you can criticize.
@@paintedpony2935 LOL too funny that not how criticism works. By that logic only leader of countries can criticize Hitler as only a few people know what running a country is like. Elon has spent as much or more money in 20 years than the space agency and had fewer results considering 70 years ago none of this technology existed. I am very glad that after 50 years there is some excitement again as government's should have never stopped regardless of public option.
HAHAHA right to the point
Elon sets incredible timelines to make people move their ass, to get people excited, to make things happen, instead of the way governments do it and don't meet timelines due to new politicians special interest even that timeline comes to be. The only reason we reached the moon landing timeline was to beat Russia due to cold war purposes.
They took years to even create their own ballpoint pen!😂😂😂😂😂
Dude that hairline joke was hilarious, much love from the San Francisco Bay.
A space race would be great right now. Let's go.
It never ended, we just spent a lot of time at the "water distribution table" for the participants, as far as manned deep space missions are concerned, but we will be off again soon! ;D
Imagine you get to the real Mars base and realize they lied about the huge curved screen.
Race to the Planet Mars is on.
2:02 scared the shit outta me. Listening to the video while working and I literally jumped, I appreciate the scare 😅
What no one is talking about: because the same side of the Moon always faces Earth, there are ideal locations to colonize on the Moon. Earth passes through the path of the Moon orbit. So, there is a region of the Moon where minimal energy is need to send stuff to Earth periodically.
The problem there is the moon just isn't very useful (outside potentially h3)
@@MoonlightMassacre Along with the long nights being a problem for solar energy
yes earth gravity sucked the spin out of the moon , going to the moon and mars was thought of before you was born way back in the 1950
@@MoonlightMassacre Not true. The moon is a low gravity manufacturing dream. Raw materials laying around everywhere and very little gravity well to get them out of. It's no place to live, but it's a great place to mine and manufacture.
Not useful? Not really. It's just that with the current tech we have now, it is not economically viable to do much other than experiments and exploration which will lose money rather than make it.
We just need to find a way to make money and then space colonies will take off and be the norm. But without pioneers like China or USA taking the risk and spending the money and advancing the tech, it will never happen and we will always be a single planet species that will be wiped out when a massive asteroid hits us or we have a nuclear war on earth.
We all need to do it together as the human race. I don't care who gets there first as long as they get there and back safely.
The coming back part 'alive' is gonnabe very tricky.
Why take the low IQ races along?
The mars wars of 2064 sure were brutal.... also china role playing is cute
If you want to go to space take a bunch of shrooms, and start thinking about being in space and boom your welcome
Humans across the world dream of space - if politicians want to paint pictures? let them - it'll only serve to accelerate progress. I'm really excited for humans to be going back to the moon - no matter what part of the planet they launched from.
This article handwaves away the very real challenge that currently paces any Chinese effort to do anything manned on Mars - the Long March 9 superheavy booster.
It now looks like that rocket won’t be ready until 2035 at the earliest. Mainly because China has no experience building anything like a Raptor and now has decided to start from scratch…
That probably won’t go well, as China doesn’t have any experience building/designing anything from scratch. Everything is simply stolen from another country and slightly altered.
They literally steal everything and claim credit for it. Look at their military vehicles. The only thing I’ve seen Chinese science accomplish is research, but even that is a bit of a stretch because most of that research is done outside of China by Chinese nationals. Honestly, I think that phenomenon might just be explained by their massive population.
this is incorrect, the engine of the LM9 is already completed. there is an assumption that China will build a raptor like engine and a starship like rocket, however that is a completely different project and is not required for the LM9 mission. they may not even need LM9 to complete the mission since there is a space tug version of the mission which is already funded. so there are 3 project happening in China at the same time.
@@lagrangewei please elaborate - which LM9 engine is complete? The YF-100, YF-130, YF-135, or the unspecified methane engine on the latest LM9 first stage, which I can’t even find a designation for?
What are the names of these three missions? Are they all using “variants” of LM9?
Can order sweet-and-sour chicken instantly.
I did not know NASA was going to Mars, But I did know SpaceX was.
SpaceX and NASA work in the same space indusrty. Just saying
China always surprises the world, even they are very fast development in space. Maybe China will be the first country send humans to Mars
I hope all china go there and this earth will happiness again
The British Empire colonized almost every land on the earth, and there are still British people on the three British Islands. Our goal in China is to colonize almost every planet in the solar system, not just Mars. We will not compete with others about who is the first to reach a certain planet. Whether it is the first to reach a certain planet is meaningless, and it does not necessarily mean that you will eventually own this planet. Our colonization plan spans hundreds of years.
Unlike the pictures and mock-ups, I think you have to bury the crewed parts of a Mars base to avoid frying the crew with radiation from space. Also, every time you do an EVA there will be radiation exposure. IMHO - best case, in the 2030’s we’ll have small, buried scientific bases with a few dozen people.
The radiation will be a severe problem. I heard they compared the radiation for a round trip and a
like that movie made in 1955 were they went to moon or mars and they walked out side but had to stay in the shade of giant rocks one guy got out of the shade and was fried, but Americans know all the stuff for 70 years and they even thought we be on moon or mars by 2000, but you know humans to busy being dorks .
@@onlythewise1 Yup, the dorks in U.S. Congress killed space exploration starting in mid-1970's under Jimmy Carter, and they continue to this day, with smaller appropriations for space and bigger taxation plans for the people. Too bad, they (NASA) had it all worked out on paper decades ago, including big space stations, deep space missions to the planets, Mars and moon abases by now. They had experience and momentum and the industrial/manufacturing aerospace knowhow, all over the country, at the time shortly after Apollo moon landings. All they needed was Congress to continue to look Up to space, instead of out at the bleak American slums always needing more cash, for social programs, thrown down a rat hole. But at least we got Voyagers, Mars Rovers, and JWST off the ground!! :D LOL LOL
@@ronschlorff7089 yep sad we almost like a third world then.
@@onlythewise1 Nope. More like today, we had No "homeless problem" in the 70-90's, today it's everywhere, not to mention an open border, for illegals to add to the problem of homelessness now.
I don't care who gets there first, as long as we get there.
It's gonna be a variation on that sci fi series, "For All Mankind"... it's a huge planet, plenty of room for everyone...
Imagine yourself in the ship when the AI's voice says :"attention please, attention please, leak in the nuclear reactor. I repeat, leak in the nuclear reactor"...
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I don't have to, I served on nuclear powered submarines, we are trained for such scenarios. I was a sonar tech but I knew the procedure to shut down the reactor (everyone has to learn it, in fact it's written down in "maneuvering", the room where the reactor is controlled) and how to switch over to the battery or the diesel (battery only at first until we get to periscope depth to run the diesel).
(hopefully)
An interest will succeed in transplanting humans to Mars. Once this happens...it is likely others will follow suit and there will be multiple interests operating on Mars.
These could become countries eventually.
Or become classic colonies governed from Earth. Or a mix of these. Time will tell.
Establishing a colony without a direct supply line is already a nightmare task on earth. I dont think we will see anything beyond science crews in mars in our lifetime.
Time will tell that none of this is going to happen, at least within the next 100 years or more. It's just not worth the effort, Darrin.
At the 5:25 Mark, I love how the words "MARS MISSION REPORT" are in English on the top of the page of a Chinese Document!
Tesla is already in China and has a rather good working relationship with the Chinese...
So my take on this is that SpaceX and China will have at least some small level of cooperation between them.
What that entails and by extension how much cooperation there will be is of course an unknown.
Bud, you do realize that in order for SpaceX to operate in the USA they have strict laws about information sharing right? Any sort of technology that can be used to ballistic missiles has high clearance vetting in place for All employees and I highly doubt the government of the USA is going to allow SpaceX to share technology with a future military enemy. If Elon did this, it's probable he would end up executed for treason considering that's how sensitive the technology is and once again, I'm 100% the USA government isn't going to allow this 🤣
Spacex is completely forbidden with sharing technology with any country outside the US. They are not allow to hire non Americans. Tesla and space x are two totally different companies. Space will never work with China on anything space related. It is illegal under us law.
Yes I agreed
Great name, btw!
China will never colonize Mars.
Nobody will.
Mars exploration? Ok.
Mars colonization? No way.
Without competition , how can humans colonized the universe? It doesn’t matter who colonized what.
Cooperation is a million time better man !
The sad part is the resources that are being wasted on this issue.
Hopefully NASA n SpaceX will first Colonizes Mars...love this story...
Also, WAAAY too much faith in Elon Musk.
I know we tech guys like him, but he's severely under delivered on many projects lately. Everything from self driving cars (supposedly fully automatic by 2020), to his solar houses, to the Vegas Loop disaster, to crypto...
SpaceX itself also works very closely with NASA & are being financed by many NASA contracts, so let's not act like he himself is just carrying the weight of the space race on his shoulders.
Many in SpaceX have distanced themselves from him & his promises, as the company basically operates independently of him in many regards anyway.
I don't dislike Elon, I've just learned to temper expectations on anything he hypes up, promises or promotes.
Elon time is his best case predictions. But new tech is not predictable and nor is supply chains during and post covid.
The thing Elon Musk primary have done is to create reliable, reusable rockets.
The rest is not that special IMO.
SpaceX is ten years ahead the rest, and Starlink will be the main supplier of LEO global internet.
Saving the climate is extremely important, but electric cars are relatively easy to make, even for the old ICE brands.
The reason we have faith in elon is because he is a man of the people and China kill its own people who speak out so I think they should never gotten into space
Commentors on the fanboy channels believe he is using his own money and is the one doing the science. They think we would have already been on the moon if the faa hadn't held him back.
stop using critical thought! Believe in your god musk.
@@jebes909090 Hey I know Elon Musk is a little bit of fuck wit I trust him more than China
If China colonizes Mars before America, we will see the largest budget increase to NASA in history.
. . . But after that it would be already too late. Moon and Mars are the most convenient to settle.
Now, in an optimistic note, nobody can colonize the whole of the Mars instantly. Once the Chinese will settle in one or two most convenient locations, there will still be many places open for grabs.
Along with USA scrapping the wolf amendment which bans Nasa cooperation with china..
They will want to live in China's moon and Mars base(and space station after ISS is decommissioned) and copy China's tech and ideas.
It won't happen. Sigh.
As a Chinese youth today what they would like to be when they grow up, many say Taikonaut/Astronaut. Ask the same question to an American youth, many say RUclipsr.
@@FlorinSutu yes, the total land mass is about Earth size, since no oceans there, .....at least now! ;D
It's international treaty protected, we are not allowed to limit space in any way.
There is certainty a new Space Race and that's good and necessary for humanity if it's a peaceful endeavor. I agree with the host as some toes will be stepped on to achieve colonization.
Could we also get an episode about Indias ambitions in space? The Ganganyaan and Chandrayaan programs seems to be important to compare with milestones mentioned in the episode about Tiangong/ISS and IRLO/Artemis
I would trust them more than China
?India can't even compare
@@nukejapandie5913 While yes, India isn't that level of US or China. Their program is still impressive and achieves a lot compare to the resource and technology that they have for their own space ambition. Really interesting to explore anyway.
And just now china send It's largest rocket
India space ambitions? There's a big difference between ambitions and accomplishments, difference between wishful thinking/dreams and reality.
India space mission and accomplishment is comparable to Brazil or UAE. Not China, Russia, USA, or even Esa.
India still does not even have a manned program.
Two extremely major problems for both entities…NO MAGNETOSPHERE AND HIGH GAMMA RAY FLOODING THE SURFACE
Why is no one talking about this?
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Because they are not problems except in the mindset of some people. Mass can solve the radiation problem. The way it does on Earth. It is the atmosphere much more than the magnetosphere that protects us from radiation. The magnetosphere helped maintain the atmosphere. But regolith or water can protect from radiation just as well.
What are the things that isn't considered in this video is the fact that all these people who live on Mars will have be workout warriors in order to maintain their health and bone density as well as having all the necessary skills to be able to live and thrive there.
guys gotta be honnest I think anouther country is just gonna nope space x and china and get to mars unexpectedly like one day you turn on the TV and you see idk australia or something sepping foot on mars it would be pretty funny if that happened
That's so cool!
Good luck Elon and China, and whoever else who's planning to get out there.
Space is big enough for everybody!
I so hope they do, it would kick everyone else’s colonisation attempts into seriousness.
Nobody will take them seriously as they know China is only capable of riding coattails. They don’t design any of their own tech, and are just standing on the accomplishments of the Americans, Soviets, and Germans from sixty years ago.
Mars exploration? Ok.
Mars colonization? No way.
The biggest problem with colonizing Mars is the fact that the planet has no magnetic field to speak of. Until that problem is solved living on the surface of Mars will be lethal.
He was never broke. His parents are actually quite rich as well.
The thing I worry about with the idea of people living in bubbles on Mars - it sounds like an ideal situation for diseases to spread and amplify. A great example of something we'd need to learn a lot more about is Legionnaire's disease, we seem to notice that it's related to water treatment systems and cooling towers (and as far as I'm aware its outbreaks tend to be either on cruise ships, man-made islands, or places where water is getting processed). We'd really need to get on top of that not to have those sealed colonies turn into hellish petri dishes where everyone's dying from respiratory illness and similar things.
It sounds like an ideal situation for the most absolute totalitarianism ever in the history of man.
@@stormhawk31 it's definitely a 'fuck around and find yourself outside an airlock' situation, particularly with survival being as tenuous as it would be. There clearly wouldn't be much modern tolerance for crime or the sorts of people who'd threaten to let the air out of the complex if they couldn't socially / psychologically dominate everyone.
@@carbon1479 Yes, some time in the future, on Mars: "Where's Joe, have you seen him?"
"Yup, two big security guys were escorting him to the air lock on D-Deck."
"But, wait a minute, there's his environmental suit, he'll need that!"
"Nope, he won't need that, .....or anything else, now!!"
;D LOL
Mars exploration? Ok.
Mars colonization? No way.
Very cool. Good thinking.
Realistically, 2050 is a more tangibly time line.
2050 for what event? For a first manned landing?
@@HansDunkelberg1Mission to Mars means "man landing on Mars".
I will say, a space elevator is much more feasible on Mars than on Earth. Lower gravity, significantly less atmpspheric pressure, no seismic activity all make for some engineering advantages
Then you can order chao main when you get there?
First thing came to mind was, how many years on mars it will take for humanity to start the first mars war.
And then the first earth - mars war lol
Never.
I think there will be much less demand to live on Mars than Elon thinks.
Yeah, maybe for free. But how many peoole who have the money to go are going to actually want to go live on Mars when it's in the beta stages.
First explorers will be paid to go, very very well; it's their profession. Others, with money, will go for the uniqueness of dying there, much later. Much later, folks will go for riches to be made there. Most ordinary folks will stay here, and read about it in the media, both the triumphs and the disasters, like in all of Earth's history to this point.
Apple will produce a series called “for all mankind, again”
Simple; being the friendly folks we are, we'll just wave on our way to the next solar system!
the end of the video made me chuckle...so I made some adjustments:
"...so who do you think will actually pull it off?"
"we've got utilitarian brute force and dedication of China..."
"versus *utilitarian brute force and dedication of Elon musk's Space X*"
I dunno, but it would be nice if they both worked.😆
The difference is that Space X actually develops and creates its own technology, whereas China just steals it from other countries and then slightly modified it.
IP theft is crazy in China.
Yup, to the West everything China does is brute force but kept silent that they have colonized the world by brute force themselves. I am surprised he did not say "Communist China". Can we say Democrat US since they are governed by the democrat party under Biden? Can we also refer to Trump era as the Republican US? Americans loves their adjectives and pronouns.
I truly hope we make it to Mars and make it a 2nd home. That is a truly beautiful and inspiring hope for humanity. Unfortunately, I rarely ever see any breakthroughs on the effects of low gravity, never mind the radiation, isolation, etc. Even if we master the technology of shipping large amounts of people and supplies, how are they supposed to live and procreate? I imagine short lives for the 1st group of ppl to arrive and it seems doubtful that many pregnancies would be successful, if any. Who knows if its even possible to have children in that low of gravity. Possibly there would be some brutal form of evolution where children could eventually be born on mars after generations of misery. Its doubtful they would even be similar to the humans of Earth by that point. Maybe we will create a technology to fix this, but that seems lifetimes away. We did get people to the moon in the 60s, so I guess, and hope that it is possible.
Hopefully our skin turns green on Mars so that no race issue for humanity.
Centrifugal artificial gravity is not lifetimes away. If near-Earth gravity is necessary for gestation, it's achievable currently, so long as you have enough space, materiel, and energy to erect a large centrifuge.
@@alanfriesen9837 I hope you are right. I guess we will see as time moves forward. Hopefully within our lifetime.
Mars exploration? Ok.
Mars colonization? Virtually impossible.
Why do you believe that human colonization of Mars is a, "truly beautiful and inspiring hope for humanity"? You think anyone is "truly" going to want to live there?
Who would've thought THE great filter is being the first of your neighbors to reach your nearest planet? I guess we're in the clear now...
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|In fairness the Chinese Station Is based on the old USSR Salute design they've just updated the electronics and swapped out things like RCS thrusters for their own. It looks a lot cleaner on the inside but the over all structure is almost identical to Salute 1
Elon ain't the one putting the rockets together, he's just a rich person from a rich family.
He actually knows a lot about the subject, and he works extremely long hours. Try to watch Everyday Astronaut raptor video and the interview with Musk.
If you think a leader should do all the work, and know every detail, then you are not living in the real world.
Hes actually an engineer if I recall correctly
Why would you know the name of some random schmo who puts together rockets? He's the guy with the money and ideas that make it happen. The guy put together the rockets doesn't know how to make them.
@@la7dfa An executive actually knowing alot about his company, WOW 😄
@@williamblazkowicz5587 solid state physics. Not rocketry or chemistry.