The difference is marketing and reputation. The Hornet should not have been marketed as a Dodge. Stellentis is not known for reliability, Toyota is known for reliability. That’s it .
My Hornet GT Plus has 25k miles on it without ant problems at all. The thing is amazing car. It's quick, rides great, looks good, and has all of the creature comforts. I had a 2019 Scat Pack Charger and this thing is much more fun to drive. The technology is through the roof on this car. It was a great purchase, worth every penny
@johnv6806 it has 268hp and 298pds of torque and weighs 3700 pds.i have the gas version and it's a blast to drive. It's not a Scat Pack but for what it is, it's pretty awesome. The GT is pretty solid and it already has a great aftermarket. Throw you email address up and I'll send you a few pictures. The Hornet GT is very capable and can be made into an awesome tuner
I saw one of these at CarMax and decided to sit in it and was actually surprised by the quality the interior felt and how nice it looked for the price. I didn't drive it because it wasn't what I was in the market for but it felt like a cool place to sit.
This comparison is really an Alfa Romeo versus a Toyota. The Toyota will still be completely functional and roadworthy 10 years and 150K miles from now. That Alfa Romeo will be in a scrap yard within 7 years, well before it ever reaches 100K miles.
I bought a 2024 Hornet GT in June, and love it. Have the Track Pack option with the Blue Bayou paint job. Love, love, love it! I used to have a 2011 Ford Escape XLT but the rear frame was rotting out. Never thought of the Hornet as a muscle car, but,,,, oh man it sounds like it, performs like it.
My 2023 Hornet GT Plus with thr Track Pack and Tech Pack has been nothing short of amazing. 25k miles without an issue ans I love driving it. I get more attention ans complements than I did from my 2019 Charger Scat Pack. Just an all around great vehicle
I bought a XSE Rav in ‘19, still to date the only new car (including my last call M6 scat) I ever bought I never had a single moment of second thought.
I like the Hornet, if I'm going to end up having to purchase an SUV with all the cars going away. This would definitely be at the top of my list for the performance it offers compared to its competitors!!
I bought an Alfa Romeo Tonale Sprint model PHEV ( the base model, not the dolled up, expensive Veloce model, which is more readily available, as for every Sprint model Alfa imported, they imported 9 Veloces ) a year ago. I was the first one to buy one in Canada, and basically bought it off the truck. I paid less then MSRP, and got it less then what a Ford Escape PHEV ( which at the time had a dealer mark up of $3,500, and add ons like $3,500 for Ford's Blue Cruise, etc. ) was going for, and where a RAV4 Prime ( basically the same price without add ons ) was ( and still is ) unavailable, and a 2 year old used Prime was selling for $14,000 more then my out the door price. Other then 9 recalls ( 2 for decals that did not have metric or French on them, that I did myself, 3 for checking high voltage connections were tight, no parts needed, 1 to replace a switch, and 3 for software updates, because where I live the vehicle would not update itself ) I have had zero problems with it, everything is operating above my expectations, and I am getting better electrical range and gas mileage then stated on the Vehicle MSRP sheet. It handles great, looks much nicer then its competition ( I compared the Sprint model against the Escape and Prime, where most reviewers, etc., compare the Veloce model that they are given by the dealers against the BMW X1 or Mercedes GLA, etc. which to me is not a fair comparison, especially a PHEV to a non PVEV ). It is not perfect, just like every vehicle in certain aspects, but I love it, love driving it, glad I bought it rather then any of the half dozen or so other PHEVS I test drove, and I would buy it again. And, it fits nicely in my garage. All new vehicles have there problems, and mine did too, but the dealership I bought mine from, bent over backwards to accommodate me with the recalls, offered me a loaner while my vehicle was being serviced, and Alfa has resolved every issue with my vehicle, some well documented. I cannot say I would have gotten the same treatment from any other manufacturer. Maybe I am lucky with my vehicle, but my whole experience, from buying it through to service, driving, etc., could not have been simpler, easier, stress free, and satisfying.
Great Video Racer X. There's other things to consider when choosing between the Hornet vs the Rav 4, too. Cost of ownership. I believe the Hornet will have a higher operational and maintenance cost vs the Rav 4. For example, the Hornet will require higher octane fuel, and the oil changes may cost a bit more due to requiring synthetic oil. Break work will be much more expensive on the Hornet as well. (Performance brake pads) I am certain the Rav 4 will come out on top for lower cost of ownership. Add the lower cost of ownership, and the reliability of the Rav 4, and many will have a compelling reason to choose it. If performance is not a priority, it's a really solid choice. The Hornet is a great option for those seeking performance, and don't mind the higher cost of ownership. As for reliability, it's anybody's guess on the Hornet as it hasn't had a long enough time to prove itself in that department.
As someone that sells dodge. My service techs have told me the hornet has had some odd electrical issues as well. I’m wondering if the electrical issues happen because they sit on lots so long. Idk. I like the hornets but they arnt the best.
@@smcg1938 I wonder if it's any relation to RAM suffering electrical issues, too? I don't want to see Dodge fail. I want Dodge to survive. The problem is, Tim is gone. He was the spirit of Dodge. Stellantis holds Dodge's fate in their hands. I just can't get excited for the brand anymore. I feel the golden years have come and gone. The Challenger is gone. The HEMI is gone, only to be replaced with the Hurricane, but even then, that will be gone at some point. All well have is Electric. I'm not looking forward to that. The future seems like it's going to be pretty bland for the car enthusiast for sure.
@@20baby04Lmao in what universe can you get a 392 Durango for 10k more than a hornet. 392 durangos START at $75k, if you order with no add ons straight from dodge
The issue for the hornet is that people in the market for a small SUV, don't generally care about performance. They want good MPG's, a good price, and carefree reliability. I know Toyota hits all the boxes..
The powertrain is FCA at least engine and trans. Those came from FCA years. The AWD and other parts not sure. The body I believe stellantis derived, interior design was Alfa dash layout, however the changes on Dodge were Dodge team in Auburn hills same with exterior Dodge looks. Overall the price point besides GTs, seems overpriced. The reliability yet to be known.
I'm not loyal to any brand, and I'm considering buying a small SUV, so I appreciate this video. I keep my vehicles for a long time and I do my own maintenance. The cost of maintaining European cars has historically been higher compared to American cars. Japanese cars are just known for reliability, so parts are a bit more expensive, but you don't have to buy them vary often. I'd totally consider a Dodge Hornet, but I'm not even interested in an Alpha Romeo or any other European brands. IMO, that's where they went wrong.
Awesome video, you should compare the Hornet R/T and the Rav4 Prime XSE as top trims because on paper they are only a tenth of a second apart on a 0-60.
Between those two cars, I would do the Hornet 🐝 all day long! I drove one and actually liked it. I am not in the market for that kind of car. But if I was, I’d take that over the Toyota any day.
Toyota for three things: reliability, reliability, reliability. I’d go for it or a CRV. I don’t want to be financing a service department at a dealer, or the inconveniences of the F.I.A.T. problems. We’ve regressed with our vehicles. I had a ‘09 V6 RAV4, that was a mover for a little utility vehicle. If I needed a tiny SUV now, it’d be that model, or a K24 CRV. Non-turbo, port fuel injection K24 FTW.
I have a 2014 ram 1500 Laramie crew cab. I love the truck, but sometimes I need something smaller to head into town and for other tasks. I was really hopeful on the hornet, but I was underwhelmed by it. I am in New England, and I ended up going out and buying an Outback touring XT turbo a few months ago. I'm happy with it.
They marketed the Hornet the wrong way like it belonged to the Charger/Challenger crowd, but it should have been sold to the econo box people. Out of the entire time the Hornet has been out, I have only seen one…a literal one car
I bought the wife a new RAV4 earlier this year. Not my cup of tea but she needs dependability/reliability more than anything else. I looked at Dodge, Ford, etc but they really didn't have anything to match in that category for the price.
As someone whose brand loyal to mopar products (atleast to a point), id definitely keep an open mind about the hornet. If the price point is there, I can afford it, and it offers as much as fun as my familys '04 durango (5.7l v8), but in a smaller package, why not? Most everyone touts about toyotas reliability reliability, but even they make pos' themselves, and somebody picks the short straw... I'd probably be that person, dodges have never given me major issues without me being the one at fault, so I think dodge is capable of fun and reliable vehicles. Just my $0.02. :)
Where I live im starting to see the hornets popping up in a lot of places, I'm not going to lie,i kinda like the looks of them, I don't know what model they are but the day looks pretty sporty for what they are.
Maybe there's more. It's new, so when repairs are required, how long is it going to be out of commision? I have a Charger and Durango, my brother also has a Charger. Over the past two to three years, we're made to feel like the warranty isn't worth the paper it's printed on, and that's on the age-old established models. How many people have had to have their Uconnect touch screens replaced? It takes weeks or months just to get parts, and the $100 deductible suddenly balloons to over a grand. This is on an ESTABLISHED model. With that in mind, I can walk past a quarter mile row of deep discounted Hornets and never bat an eye at them. I love my Mopars, but I think I'll keep the ones I have until Dodge can get their stuff together.
I looked at a Gold Hornet Gt loaded. An really with the discount offered do to slow sales, it was a lot of vehicle. Not sure why the Hornet gets all the hate, it’s way better than the PT Cruiser an those sold very well. I’ve owned a lot of Mopars, just find it’s weird how some people act. Alfa name plate attached to it probably hurts. A lot of the quality issues that Alfa has isn’t really any worse than a lot of manufacturer’s are having. Toyota has been having problems with some of their new stuff and it’s been well documented. I currently own a Jeep Renegade and it’s been a really great vehicle. An it’s sitting on a Fiat platform. An as far as Toyota the best in the line up, the Supra. An the Supra is a rebadged BMW. But Toyota people are little nuts anyway. Just kidding 😁
I really wanted to get my wife a Hornet but after my dealership experience with a Guilia I just can’t trust Dodge to be honest. I checked with sales & service managers that they could service the car and they gave me 6 free oil changes. Went to first oil change and they asked if I brought oil & filters cause it’d take 6-8 weeks. I’m pissed then near the end it was time for 30k service and was told I’d be responsible for shipping the car to St Louis or Dallas 🤬!! The Alfa was completely reliable a few bugs right before battery replacement but new battery cured the gremlins. Dodge could have made me a fan. Enjoyed driving their cars but if they are willing to straight up lie to my face. I’m in BRZ & my wife has a 24 Forester. Too bad Dodge doesn’t want repeat business by treating their customers with respect.
I see the Hornet as being more for a recent college grad's first or second new car. Maybe stealing some VW Golf/GTI types. Marketing it alongside the Charger/Challenger only makes it look like a wannabe. Marketing should have gone in a whole 'nother direction with this car.
Get the Rav4, it will last longer. I have had mine for 15 years in tough terrain . The hornet should have had cheaper engine option, why it's sale are dismal
Racer X turning into Joe Raiti reviewing small SUVs. Wouldn’t buy either car but I understand why the soccer moms prefer the RAV4. It’s all about reliability. Dodge struggles in that department.
The people who buy these small suvs are buying them for reliability not performance. I am a mopar fan through and through but I would take the Toyota all day long. Neither car’s performance is really breathtaking but I’m not buying it for that reason anyways…
I think the biggest problem with the hornet is that only the 25 and younger crowd want a sporty SUV in that segment. But under 25 people can't afford a 30k plus car and they aren't going to beg there parents for it either. The people trying to rebuild their credit are out of the picture at that price too... If they had released a fwd version at 25k or less and gave it some cool wheels, nice graphics and colors from Dodge's color pallet it would have easily doubled its sales to date. Instead they are going to be lucky to break even on the inventory they have left.
The people that buy these types of vehicles aren't Car guys or girls. These people lust after a RAV4 or CRV. If they can't afford them then they go to Hyundai Kia. No matter how good Dodge says the Hornet is these people aren't going to pay that kind of money for it.
Point A to Point B cars SUVs or whatever you wanna call the station wagons of today. They are all station wagons. A company has to build good quality vehicles like said example the Rav 4. Most people overall are enthusiast they just want good affordable transportation. Toyota for the most part has done this,I have never owned an import brand but my kids and nephews will. Why because they read everywhere how good the imports are. The domestics that are left have done a terrible job bringing in the next generation to their vehicles starting with unaffordable entry models.
Why does this video feel like an Apple vs Android comparison video. One has the better specs, features, options, and performance, and yet the other one is what everybody buys 🤔
My mom has a co-worker who bought one of these about a year ago. She says its really nice and she like it... But that it also breaks oftenly regrets buying it But that could just be a fluke. Could just be her car type of thing maybe?
Dude those are old cliches. Had a Fiat Abarth for 7 years with only problem was keeping rocker panels attached after it was put on lift wrong. Then had a Guilia Ti that only needed battery replacement. However Dodge lied about being able to do 30k service and I’d have to ship it to St Louis or Dallas. The Quad issues were resolved by 3rd year on sale.
I guess i would be considered a dodge mopar person since the gen srt8 it’s been my favorite car i appreciate the other muscle cars but for me it’s dodge rn how ever the new mustang is nice and might be considered getting one but as far as the hornets it’s kinda a slap in the face to “car” people we don’t really want a suv but that’s the way of the market rn but I’ll still say you can’t beat Toyota or Honda in reliability and price Honda might even do performance better then dodge with smaller engines but suvs are not want car people want
Pretty Please could someone do a review and talk about ride comfort??!! As he's in the Hornet I hear a ton of road noise and the camera bumping but he's not making any comments about the ride comfort.....so assume it's a rough ride. Anyone driving this and can comment?
The Hornet is overpriced unless you purchase the base model that gives you a very basic SUV especially the interior, plus it's not as attractive as it's Fiat sibling. With the Toyota Rav 4 having a strong reputation and sales. I'm watching hornets collecting dust at my local dealership. Unfortunately your stuck on horsepower, performance and Dodge. The Hornet isn't a muscle vehicle as Dodge promoted it. My honest question to you. Does anyone in your family or friends own a Hornet? Consumers don't purchase a small SUV because of performance numbers. Your videos are coming across like Dodge commercial. From what I'm reading. It will be Lucky if Dodge survives Stellantis expense cuts.
Not going to promote “Hurricane”. They are killing what we love. Having said that, I want to like the hornet, but 1…tighter fit is a negative. I’m a big boy. 2…euro turbo = easy to break expensive to fix. 3…I have a 2016 rav4. You don’t accelerate in sport mode. Tabs in sport have direct pedal response and will take off with no turn. I used to have 2 Tiguans with turbos. I’ll pick a rav4 all day long when my first tig is sitting in the drive way with the motor in the back seat.
Am I Crazy??!!! I'm thinking of selling my '19 Rav4 XLE and buying a '24 GT Hornet. If you are willing to search the country, you can find them listed for $22,000 (plus fees), that's less than I can sell my 5 year old 50K Mile Rav4 for.
I think one major thing to consider is that it's too small and too expensive. Why spend $30k on the Hornet when I can spend $30k on a used Dodge Durango that bigger, faster, and has history
The terrible marketing plan (gateway to muscle ???) and high MSRP (vs Hyundai) doomed any chance for reasonable sales. Not sure if ANY performance oriented angle would have helped....just confused the real target audience and annoyed the V8 crew. It's a small SUV...go lowest cost/price...and offer extended warranty since your fighting an uphill battle. That's how Hyundai gets it done.....lower price than Japanese...better warranty.
I sure wouldn't gamble my $30-45K on a Hornet unless they ever offer some ridiculous 10 year bumper to bumper warranty. 5-7 years out the RAV4 has a ton of life left and resale value. 5-7 years out the Hornet repair costs are likely surpassing vehicle value.
When you buy a RAV4, you know you are getting a proven product with a great history of reliability.....when you buy a Hornet, you are basically rolling the dice...and if its performance you are after, you wont be looking at a Hornet or RAV4 in the first place...bump the Hornet to 350+ HP and you may start to get some more performance oriented buyers willing to take the plunge
Racer X, put your money where your mouth is, buy a hornet and try to do a long term test. With the depreciation value should be a Huge tax write off, and you can update us on everything that breaks with repair cost. X please realize it’s a Alpha; agree looks good, but reliability & cost of Alpha it won’t age well. Stellantis sell off Dodge where’s your warranty .
There's really nothing wrong with a hornet as a daily driver, other than the electrical issues we're seeing, like the jeep wagoneer is having. Across the board electrical issues with CDJR vehicles, are killing the brand. With Toyota it is not the case, which is why it is more appealing. The things going to work and be reliable. CDJR vehicles right now, cannot measure up to that.
The Dodge (Alfa Romeo) will be worth nothing in five years as opposed to the Toyota. The Car Care Nut does a great review on the questionable Dodge engineering. Consumers know junk when they see it.
My wife bought a 21 RAV new at $27k and carvana is offering her $23k. The visits to dealers or mechanics, 0. Very basic and timely maintenance at 29000 miles currently. I’m fairly certain if it was the new hornet the value would be 35-45% of msrp had she bought it new in ‘21, and multiple visits to the dealer. The overall experience would have been a 👎🏻. She loves her 2019 Scat Charger that she drives on weekends. I bought it for her new in 2019 and she won’t even let me trade it for a last call wide body. She agrees with me that the prices are way too damn high!
Toyota is always gonna win that game. Proven reliability, and solid functionality will beat fancy looks. Would never buy an alfa romeo at any model.......they make attractive vehicles but no thanks on the reliability. The hornet may be a good short term lease deal, but ive never buy one. Any amount of long term ownership will cost way more with those hornets vs a rav4.......not to mention the excellent resale value of the rav4. I can say that without ever driving a hornet.......they may look and drive better, but the bang for your buck isnt there with the hornet.
Yeah... I don't understand the Hornet hate. If it's not your demographic , move on. These so called Dodge fans act as if the Hornet was replacing every Dodge vehicle 🤦🏾♂️
@ryze9153 Dodge needed a smaller sedan. That's what it is... you don't hear people who buy Grand Cherokees complaining about a Jeep Compass. It's a Jeep, but it's not their vehicle of choice. But someone that wants a smaller Jeep... the Compass is perfect. Same with the Hornet
I had a rental RAV4 in DC and wanted to hate. It was awesome and got great mileage. Controls were very easy to get used to locating. I haven't driven the Hornet yet. It took too long to come to market in my area and the Charger had a great deal for purchasing with all the options a person could ever want or need.
To all the people saying it's because it never should have been a Dodge and no one wants a small crossover... congratulations, you are the reason the brand is dead. The only reason Ford and Chevy have been able to keep their V8's is because the brands kept around other vehicles that were efficient and lowered their CAFE credits from the EPA. The reason Dodge hasn't is because at every turn, when they try to come out with anything remotely efficient and practical, the Dodge base completely rejects it.
No it's because they marketed it wrong and replaced cars we all loved with EVs. They should have released like 6 or 7 models of cars that everyone could enjoy not get rid of the best selling cars they had for EV garbage.
@BigJoe2.0 My point is they couldn't because any car that wasn't a V8 Challenger or Charger was completely rejected by the community. (Dart, Journey, Hornet etc)
@@BigJoe5.0 You're right! They sold so well that Dodge canceled them 🤣. They didn't make money on the Dart or the Avenger because they sold poorly. They only sold with massive incentives that destroyed the profits.
Comparing a Toyota to a dodge/alpha? That’s so cute, now tell us the resale of these two or the maintenance of these two or pick anything. There’s a reason why dodge is failing and may be bought out by BYD.
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The difference is marketing and reputation. The Hornet should not have been marketed as a Dodge. Stellentis is not known for reliability, Toyota is known for reliability. That’s it .
One has a reputation of near infinite reliability, one is an Alfa Romeo, nuff said...
That’s because Dodge fans don’t want no dinky little cross over. Give us power !!!
I've been a Mopar fan since the 70s but always have Toyotas as my daily drivers because of their reliability.
My Hornet GT Plus has 25k miles on it without ant problems at all. The thing is amazing car. It's quick, rides great, looks good, and has all of the creature comforts. I had a 2019 Scat Pack Charger and this thing is much more fun to drive. The technology is through the roof on this car. It was a great purchase, worth every penny
It has like 200 less horsepower and youre saying its more fun to drive??
@johnv6806 it has 268hp and 298pds of torque and weighs 3700 pds.i have the gas version and it's a blast to drive. It's not a Scat Pack but for what it is, it's pretty awesome. The GT is pretty solid and it already has a great aftermarket. Throw you email address up and I'll send you a few pictures. The Hornet GT is very capable and can be made into an awesome tuner
@@bigpopa1971great comment brody 🤝🏾💯 these ppl hating because it’s not a srt or scat when in reality it’s fun to drive and stands out F the haters
I saw one of these at CarMax and decided to sit in it and was actually surprised by the quality the interior felt and how nice it looked for the price. I didn't drive it because it wasn't what I was in the market for but it felt like a cool place to sit.
This comparison is really an Alfa Romeo versus a Toyota. The Toyota will still be completely functional and roadworthy 10 years and 150K miles from now. That Alfa Romeo will be in a scrap yard within 7 years, well before it ever reaches 100K miles.
I bought a 2024 Hornet GT in June, and love it. Have the Track Pack option with the Blue Bayou paint job. Love, love, love it! I used to have a 2011 Ford Escape XLT but the rear frame was rotting out. Never thought of the Hornet as a muscle car, but,,,, oh man it sounds like it, performs like it.
My 2023 Hornet GT Plus with thr Track Pack and Tech Pack has been nothing short of amazing. 25k miles without an issue ans I love driving it. I get more attention ans complements than I did from my 2019 Charger Scat Pack. Just an all around great vehicle
I bought a XSE Rav in ‘19, still to date the only new car (including my last call M6 scat) I ever bought I never had a single moment of second thought.
I like the Hornet, if I'm going to end up having to purchase an SUV with all the cars going away. This would definitely be at the top of my list for the performance it offers compared to its competitors!!
I bought an Alfa Romeo Tonale Sprint model PHEV ( the base model, not the dolled up, expensive Veloce model, which is more readily available, as for every Sprint model Alfa imported, they imported 9 Veloces ) a year ago. I was the first one to buy one in Canada, and basically bought it off the truck. I paid less then MSRP, and got it less then what a Ford Escape PHEV ( which at the time had a dealer mark up of $3,500, and add ons like $3,500 for Ford's Blue Cruise, etc. ) was going for, and where a RAV4 Prime ( basically the same price without add ons ) was ( and still is ) unavailable, and a 2 year old used Prime was selling for $14,000 more then my out the door price. Other then 9 recalls ( 2 for decals that did not have metric or French on them, that I did myself, 3 for checking high voltage connections were tight, no parts needed, 1 to replace a switch, and 3 for software updates, because where I live the vehicle would not update itself ) I have had zero problems with it, everything is operating above my expectations, and I am getting better electrical range and gas mileage then stated on the Vehicle MSRP sheet. It handles great, looks much nicer then its competition ( I compared the Sprint model against the Escape and Prime, where most reviewers, etc., compare the Veloce model that they are given by the dealers against the BMW X1 or Mercedes GLA, etc. which to me is not a fair comparison, especially a PHEV to a non PVEV ). It is not perfect, just like every vehicle in certain aspects, but I love it, love driving it, glad I bought it rather then any of the half dozen or so other PHEVS I test drove, and I would buy it again. And, it fits nicely in my garage.
All new vehicles have there problems, and mine did too, but the dealership I bought mine from, bent over backwards to accommodate me with the recalls, offered me a loaner while my vehicle was being serviced, and Alfa has resolved every issue with my vehicle, some well documented. I cannot say I would have gotten the same treatment from any other manufacturer.
Maybe I am lucky with my vehicle, but my whole experience, from buying it through to service, driving, etc., could not have been simpler, easier, stress free, and satisfying.
Great Video Racer X. There's other things to consider when choosing between the Hornet vs the Rav 4, too. Cost of ownership. I believe the Hornet will have a higher operational and maintenance cost vs the Rav 4. For example, the Hornet will require higher octane fuel, and the oil changes may cost a bit more due to requiring synthetic oil. Break work will be much more expensive on the Hornet as well. (Performance brake pads) I am certain the Rav 4 will come out on top for lower cost of ownership. Add the lower cost of ownership, and the reliability of the Rav 4, and many will have a compelling reason to choose it. If performance is not a priority, it's a really solid choice. The Hornet is a great option for those seeking performance, and don't mind the higher cost of ownership. As for reliability, it's anybody's guess on the Hornet as it hasn't had a long enough time to prove itself in that department.
Well said buddy... great points
As someone that sells dodge. My service techs have told me the hornet has had some odd electrical issues as well. I’m wondering if the electrical issues happen because they sit on lots so long. Idk. I like the hornets but they arnt the best.
@@smcg1938 I wonder if it's any relation to RAM suffering electrical issues, too? I don't want to see Dodge fail. I want Dodge to survive. The problem is, Tim is gone. He was the spirit of Dodge.
Stellantis holds Dodge's fate in their hands. I just can't get excited for the brand anymore. I feel the golden years have come and gone.
The Challenger is gone. The HEMI is gone, only to be replaced with the Hurricane, but even then, that will be gone at some point. All well have is Electric. I'm not looking forward to that.
The future seems like it's going to be pretty bland for the car enthusiast for sure.
Well said Sovereign!
Very true👍👍
IMO, the Hornet is just too expensive for a vehicle that hasn't proven itself to anyone yet.
10K less and it would be enticing
Especially when you go 10k more and can get a 392 durango
@@20baby04Lmao in what universe can you get a 392 Durango for 10k more than a hornet. 392 durangos START at $75k, if you order with no add ons straight from dodge
The GTs are selling for $26K near me. I just sold my old 2010 charger for $4K I'm considering buying a Hornet
@@Puma9138get the GT plus gang unless you’re a hybrid guy
The issue for the hornet is that people in the market for a small SUV, don't generally care about performance. They want good MPG's, a good price, and carefree reliability. I know Toyota hits all the boxes..
Sorry but Toyota reliability is a myth. Things break just like any other car.
I think the Hornet would have been better received had Dodge not taken away the V8s and then introduced Hornets and EVs as the “next gen”.
(That AND we all know it’s really an AR with a Dodge badge.) 😎
The powertrain is FCA at least engine and trans. Those came from FCA years. The AWD and other parts not sure. The body I believe stellantis derived, interior design was Alfa dash layout, however the changes on Dodge were Dodge team in Auburn hills same with exterior Dodge looks. Overall the price point besides GTs, seems overpriced. The reliability yet to be known.
I'm not loyal to any brand, and I'm considering buying a small SUV, so I appreciate this video. I keep my vehicles for a long time and I do my own maintenance. The cost of maintaining European cars has historically been higher compared to American cars. Japanese cars are just known for reliability, so parts are a bit more expensive, but you don't have to buy them vary often. I'd totally consider a Dodge Hornet, but I'm not even interested in an Alpha Romeo or any other European brands. IMO, that's where they went wrong.
Awesome video, you should compare the Hornet R/T and the Rav4 Prime XSE as top trims because on paper they are only a tenth of a second apart on a 0-60.
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Very informative video!
Is this a Dodge add? its hilarious watching you try to sell us the hornet lol
Started to notice this at the 16:00 minute mark😂😂
Agreed, Hornet !
I own a mustang and a rav4, the rav4 can one thing and one thing very well, reliable
I'll go with the hornet anytime.
Between those two cars, I would do the Hornet 🐝 all day long! I drove one and actually liked it. I am not in the market for that kind of car. But if I was, I’d take that over the Toyota any day.
Toyota for three things: reliability, reliability, reliability. I’d go for it or a CRV. I don’t want to be financing a service department at a dealer, or the inconveniences of the F.I.A.T. problems.
We’ve regressed with our vehicles. I had a ‘09 V6 RAV4, that was a mover for a little utility vehicle. If I needed a tiny SUV now, it’d be that model, or a K24 CRV. Non-turbo, port fuel injection K24 FTW.
I have a 2014 ram 1500 Laramie crew cab. I love the truck, but sometimes I need something smaller to head into town and for other tasks. I was really hopeful on the hornet, but I was underwhelmed by it. I am in New England, and I ended up going out and buying an Outback touring XT turbo a few months ago. I'm happy with it.
They marketed the Hornet the wrong way like it belonged to the Charger/Challenger crowd, but it should have been sold to the econo box people. Out of the entire time the Hornet has been out, I have only seen one…a literal one car
They coming around bro and I’ve seen atleast 4 and I be amazed I don’t care 3 shits about what the scat pack D 🚴🏾♂️think f em
I bought the wife a new RAV4 earlier this year. Not my cup of tea but she needs dependability/reliability more than anything else. I looked at Dodge, Ford, etc but they really didn't have anything to match in that category for the price.
They should offer a Hyundai/Kia warranty on those Hornets
As someone whose brand loyal to mopar products (atleast to a point), id definitely keep an open mind about the hornet. If the price point is there, I can afford it, and it offers as much as fun as my familys '04 durango (5.7l v8), but in a smaller package, why not? Most everyone touts about toyotas reliability reliability, but even they make pos' themselves, and somebody picks the short straw... I'd probably be that person, dodges have never given me major issues without me being the one at fault, so I think dodge is capable of fun and reliable vehicles. Just my $0.02. :)
It's a marketing problem not a reliability problem.
Where I live im starting to see the hornets popping up in a lot of places, I'm not going to lie,i kinda like the looks of them, I don't know what model they are but the day looks pretty sporty for what they are.
I agree that the hornet looks better but they should’ve done it dodge style big v8 everything
That's why Dodge is dying on the lots because they ruined it with the Big V8 and nothing else.
@@rodismrnobody their dying because of the price. 40k for a scat in 2017 to 60k+ for a scat in 2024
Now compare the Hornet to its real competitor, the Chevy Trax that sells for $21,500...
Not really a good comparison performance-wise with the Trax’s 3 cylinder engine with less than 150 hp. I do like its styling though.
Toyota has a way better reputation for quality and reliability, Dodge definitely not so much that’s why Dodge is in its current state.
This is the first video I see from you I see on my subscription list 🤔 what’s going on RUclips ?
Is it better than a Neon? Or is it comparable/same?
hornet is better looking for sure not sure about the hate going on out there.
I would take a CRV from Honda I think it's nicer then the RAV 4
I really wish they had put the turbo inline six in the hornet because of the weight
Maybe there's more. It's new, so when repairs are required, how long is it going to be out of commision? I have a Charger and Durango, my brother also has a Charger. Over the past two to three years, we're made to feel like the warranty isn't worth the paper it's printed on, and that's on the age-old established models. How many people have had to have their Uconnect touch screens replaced? It takes weeks or months just to get parts, and the $100 deductible suddenly balloons to over a grand. This is on an ESTABLISHED model.
With that in mind, I can walk past a quarter mile row of deep discounted Hornets and never bat an eye at them. I love my Mopars, but I think I'll keep the ones I have until Dodge can get their stuff together.
I looked at a Gold Hornet Gt loaded. An really with the discount offered do to slow sales, it was a lot of vehicle. Not sure why the Hornet gets all the hate, it’s way better than the PT Cruiser an those sold very well. I’ve owned a lot of Mopars, just find it’s weird how some people act. Alfa name plate attached to it probably hurts. A lot of the quality issues that Alfa has isn’t really any worse than a lot of manufacturer’s are having. Toyota has been having problems with some of their new stuff and it’s been well documented. I currently own a Jeep Renegade and it’s been a really great vehicle. An it’s sitting on a Fiat platform. An as far as Toyota the best in the line up, the Supra. An the Supra is a rebadged BMW. But Toyota people are little nuts anyway. Just kidding 😁
I really wanted to get my wife a Hornet but after my dealership experience with a Guilia I just can’t trust Dodge to be honest. I checked with sales & service managers that they could service the car and they gave me 6 free oil changes. Went to first oil change and they asked if I brought oil & filters cause it’d take 6-8 weeks. I’m pissed then near the end it was time for 30k service and was told I’d be responsible for shipping the car to St Louis or Dallas 🤬!! The Alfa was completely reliable a few bugs right before battery replacement but new battery cured the gremlins. Dodge could have made me a fan. Enjoyed driving their cars but if they are willing to straight up lie to my face. I’m in BRZ & my wife has a 24 Forester.
Too bad Dodge doesn’t want repeat business by treating their customers with respect.
rav 4 reliabilty we love ours
I would not buy any Stellantis product at this point. That corporation is a complete cluster at best.
I see the Hornet as being more for a recent college grad's first or second new car. Maybe stealing some VW Golf/GTI types. Marketing it alongside the Charger/Challenger only makes it look like a wannabe. Marketing should have gone in a whole 'nother direction with this car.
Get the Rav4, it will last longer. I have had mine for 15 years in tough terrain . The hornet should have had cheaper engine option, why it's sale are dismal
Racer X turning into Joe Raiti reviewing small SUVs. Wouldn’t buy either car but I understand why the soccer moms prefer the RAV4. It’s all about reliability. Dodge struggles in that department.
Compare fuel economy numbers, compare the hornet with the 306hp Rav4 Prime.
Toyota's run forever great reputation
🏆Racer X🏆
The people who buy these small suvs are buying them for reliability not performance. I am a mopar fan through and through but I would take the Toyota all day long. Neither car’s performance is really breathtaking but I’m not buying it for that reason anyways…
I think the biggest problem with the hornet is that only the 25 and younger crowd want a sporty SUV in that segment. But under 25 people can't afford a 30k plus car and they aren't going to beg there parents for it either. The people trying to rebuild their credit are out of the picture at that price too... If they had released a fwd version at 25k or less and gave it some cool wheels, nice graphics and colors from Dodge's color pallet it would have easily doubled its sales to date. Instead they are going to be lucky to break even on the inventory they have left.
The people that buy these types of vehicles aren't Car guys or girls. These people lust after a RAV4 or CRV. If they can't afford them then they go to Hyundai Kia. No matter how good Dodge says the Hornet is these people aren't going to pay that kind of money for it.
Point A to Point B cars SUVs or whatever you wanna call the station wagons of today. They are all station wagons. A company has to build good quality vehicles like said example the Rav 4. Most people overall are enthusiast they just want good affordable transportation. Toyota for the most part has done this,I have never owned an import brand but my kids and nephews will. Why because they read everywhere how good the imports are. The domestics that are left have done a terrible job bringing in the next generation to their vehicles starting with unaffordable entry models.
Toyota hands-down. Who’s gonna buy that trash with what the company is going through and who owns it?
The Hornet is just like the Alfa and that was rated good . what i don't like is the name they chose .
I haven't seen a single Hornet on the roads.
I've seen 3 since their release and a whole lot of them sitting at the dealer
Not even one
How does the Hornet compare to the RAV4 Hybrid performance wise? It's probably a different story.
Why does this video feel like an Apple vs Android comparison video. One has the better specs, features, options, and performance, and yet the other one is what everybody buys 🤔
My mom has a co-worker who bought one of these about a year ago. She says its really nice and she like it... But that it also breaks oftenly regrets buying it
But that could just be a fluke. Could just be her car type of thing maybe?
The stalantis group has the worst reliability out the. Alfas and fiat are in the shop more than the road. Resale is also crap.
Dude those are old cliches. Had a Fiat Abarth for 7 years with only problem was keeping rocker panels attached after it was put on lift wrong. Then had a Guilia Ti that only needed battery replacement. However Dodge lied about being able to do 30k service and I’d have to ship it to St Louis or Dallas. The Quad issues were resolved by 3rd year on sale.
The RAV 4 has been in production since 1994 and the Hornet has been in production for 2 years. LOL.
I guess i would be considered a dodge mopar person since the gen srt8 it’s been my favorite car i appreciate the other muscle cars but for me it’s dodge rn how ever the new mustang is nice and might be considered getting one but as far as the hornets it’s kinda a slap in the face to “car” people we don’t really want a suv but that’s the way of the market rn but I’ll still say you can’t beat Toyota or Honda in reliability and price Honda might even do performance better then dodge with smaller engines but suvs are not want car people want
The Hornet has become the Nickleback of Dodge. It’s a nice vehicle but very hated on.
If Dodge made a midsize truck with that turbo 4cyl can they get higher output out of it? Can they do a twin turbo with it?
Pretty Please could someone do a review and talk about ride comfort??!! As he's in the Hornet I hear a ton of road noise and the camera bumping but he's not making any comments about the ride comfort.....so assume it's a rough ride. Anyone driving this and can comment?
The Hornet is overpriced unless you purchase the base model that gives you a very basic SUV especially the interior, plus it's not as attractive as it's Fiat sibling. With the Toyota Rav 4 having a strong reputation and sales. I'm watching hornets collecting dust at my local dealership. Unfortunately your stuck on horsepower, performance and Dodge. The Hornet isn't a muscle vehicle as Dodge promoted it. My honest question to you. Does anyone in your family or friends own a Hornet? Consumers don't purchase a small SUV because of performance numbers. Your videos are coming across like Dodge commercial. From what I'm reading. It will be Lucky if Dodge survives Stellantis expense cuts.
Toyota reliability > Dodge reliability
Not going to promote “Hurricane”. They are killing what we love. Having said that, I want to like the hornet, but 1…tighter fit is a negative. I’m a big boy. 2…euro turbo = easy to break expensive to fix. 3…I have a 2016 rav4. You don’t accelerate in sport mode. Tabs in sport have direct pedal response and will take off with no turn. I used to have 2 Tiguans with turbos. I’ll pick a rav4 all day long when my first tig is sitting in the drive way with the motor in the back seat.
Am I Crazy??!!! I'm thinking of selling my '19 Rav4 XLE and buying a '24 GT Hornet. If you are willing to search the country, you can find them listed for $22,000 (plus fees), that's less than I can sell my 5 year old 50K Mile Rav4 for.
I think one major thing to consider is that it's too small and too expensive. Why spend $30k on the Hornet when I can spend $30k on a used Dodge Durango that bigger, faster, and has history
Idk I been seeing a lot of hornets lately at least 3 everytime I drive around in jersey
History will show that most likely the RAV4 will last 2x as long as the Hornet.
The terrible marketing plan (gateway to muscle ???) and high MSRP (vs Hyundai) doomed any chance for reasonable sales.
Not sure if ANY performance oriented angle would have helped....just confused the real target audience and annoyed the V8 crew.
It's a small SUV...go lowest cost/price...and offer extended warranty since your fighting an uphill battle.
That's how Hyundai gets it done.....lower price than Japanese...better warranty.
I sure wouldn't gamble my $30-45K on a Hornet unless they ever offer some ridiculous 10 year bumper to bumper warranty. 5-7 years out the RAV4 has a ton of life left and resale value. 5-7 years out the Hornet repair costs are likely surpassing vehicle value.
The Hornet is ridiculous. The pricing is even more so.
It has nothing to performance because their performance will never last. Toyota will be there for the long-haul.
When you buy a RAV4, you know you are getting a proven product with a great history of reliability.....when you buy a Hornet, you are basically rolling the dice...and if its performance you are after, you wont be looking at a Hornet or RAV4 in the first place...bump the Hornet to 350+ HP and you may start to get some more performance oriented buyers willing to take the plunge
Racer X, put your money where your mouth is, buy a hornet and try to do a long term test. With the depreciation value should be a Huge tax write off, and you can update us on everything that breaks with repair cost. X please realize it’s a Alpha; agree looks good, but reliability & cost of Alpha it won’t age well. Stellantis sell off Dodge where’s your warranty .
There's really nothing wrong with a hornet as a daily driver, other than the electrical issues we're seeing, like the jeep wagoneer is having. Across the board electrical issues with CDJR vehicles, are killing the brand. With Toyota it is not the case, which is why it is more appealing. The things going to work and be reliable. CDJR vehicles right now, cannot measure up to that.
Rav4 > Hornet ANYDAY…
Dodge Hornet.😂 Like Ray from Car Edge always says: " Its the answer to the question nobody asked"🤣 Period.
I'm in Los Angeles Ca , and i drive a lot and i only seen two Dodge Hornets on the road thus far 😂😂
The Dodge (Alfa Romeo) will be worth nothing in five years as opposed to the Toyota. The Car Care Nut does a great review on the questionable Dodge engineering. Consumers know junk when they see it.
It wasn’t dodge engineering. Their engineering was 3 minutes to plan where the dodge badge went. Worst rebadge of the last 20 years. Typical laziness
My wife bought a 21 RAV new at $27k and carvana is offering her $23k. The visits to dealers or mechanics, 0. Very basic and timely maintenance at 29000 miles currently. I’m fairly certain if it was the new hornet the value would be 35-45% of msrp had she bought it new in ‘21, and multiple visits to the dealer. The overall experience would have been a 👎🏻. She loves her 2019 Scat Charger that she drives on weekends. I bought it for her new in 2019 and she won’t even let me trade it for a last call wide body. She agrees with me that the prices are way too damn high!
Toyota is always gonna win that game. Proven reliability, and solid functionality will beat fancy looks. Would never buy an alfa romeo at any model.......they make attractive vehicles but no thanks on the reliability. The hornet may be a good short term lease deal, but ive never buy one. Any amount of long term ownership will cost way more with those hornets vs a rav4.......not to mention the excellent resale value of the rav4. I can say that without ever driving a hornet.......they may look and drive better, but the bang for your buck isnt there with the hornet.
TOYOTA IS WAY MORE RELIABLE. NOT MUCH TO UNDERSTAND
One is a proven well known Crossover while the other is a Whorenet😂
Yeah... I don't understand the Hornet hate. If it's not your demographic , move on. These so called Dodge fans act as if the Hornet was replacing every Dodge vehicle 🤦🏾♂️
The Hornet is in a weird spot tho.
@ryze9153 Dodge needed a smaller sedan. That's what it is... you don't hear people who buy Grand Cherokees complaining about a Jeep Compass. It's a Jeep, but it's not their vehicle of choice. But someone that wants a smaller Jeep... the Compass is perfect. Same with the Hornet
I had a rental RAV4 in DC and wanted to hate. It was awesome and got great mileage. Controls were very easy to get used to locating. I haven't driven the Hornet yet. It took too long to come to market in my area and the Charger had a great deal for purchasing with all the options a person could ever want or need.
To all the people saying it's because it never should have been a Dodge and no one wants a small crossover... congratulations, you are the reason the brand is dead. The only reason Ford and Chevy have been able to keep their V8's is because the brands kept around other vehicles that were efficient and lowered their CAFE credits from the EPA. The reason Dodge hasn't is because at every turn, when they try to come out with anything remotely efficient and practical, the Dodge base completely rejects it.
No it's because they marketed it wrong and replaced cars we all loved with EVs. They should have released like 6 or 7 models of cars that everyone could enjoy not get rid of the best selling cars they had for EV garbage.
@BigJoe2.0 My point is they couldn't because any car that wasn't a V8 Challenger or Charger was completely rejected by the community. (Dart, Journey, Hornet etc)
@AP383BB no it wasn't, the dart sold very well as well as cars like the avenger, neon etc
@@BigJoe5.0 You're right! They sold so well that Dodge canceled them 🤣. They didn't make money on the Dart or the Avenger because they sold poorly. They only sold with massive incentives that destroyed the profits.
When was the last time the Italians made a reliable car? NEVER!!!
Toyota reliability is a myth. I owned a few of them.
The Hornet is such a Joke. Slowest selling car in the country.
It's not just that.....its because it is Junk
So RacerX. How is Dodge going to sell this “ great little car”..Big Big Big Sale? And don’t forget about the Toyota re-sale value…Dodge not so much
X, u are not a fat guy. Yet you are bigger and wider than the rav 4 driver seat.
He's not even a big dude lol. He's bigger than I am tho
@ryze9153 lol...I don't know how big you are but I know what you mean and yes ... true!
It appears that the seat is kind of small though.
@@hondaaccord2425 I'm 6'0" and only about 150 lbs.
hornet only better is those calipers hahahhaha
Comparing a Toyota to a dodge/alpha? That’s so cute, now tell us the resale of these two or the maintenance of these two or pick anything. There’s a reason why dodge is failing and may be bought out by BYD.
You could say the same thing by comparing a Toyota to a Tesla.