@@JonahsWail Yea, but unfortunately only projectiles, and even then some get past it. No ground attacks that pop under you , or big aoes, no breath attacks, etc > < A good shield will often just be better. This is like one of those spells that has a great concept behind it, but falls short due to how they decided to make most deadly elemental attacks in the game and they didn't tune the spell to respond to that.
I really wish they leaned into the "All Knowing" thing by having him come with different spells depending on the player's build. Come in with lots of magic? He's got all the anti-magic spells. Come in with a greatshield? He's got the spells that hit through/around shields. Bonus points if he also buffs himself against your primary damage types.
That would be a nightmare to program, most likely. But there is more they could have done with him. Imagine if he cast Law of Regression after his speech. You spend his speech buffing yourself, and then he just removes them. He has Law of Causality with one hit left active during his speech, so any attack will just explode in your face. He can read whether your magic damage negation or holy damage negation is lower, and focuses on that damage type. Has more defensive options like Black Flame Protection, for example.
Ngl, I was genuinely hoping he'd use also stuff Ranni or Rennala's moons, Eternal Darkness or Thops Parrier, or Carian Retaliation (spell version) to counter my own spells - it'd feel like he acknowledges the player's build. Alas, it usually plays out similarly - u either let him cook, or bum rush him.
@@Zyk0th | If it was simply swapping out what spells he could cast, I don't think it'd be too hard to set up. HUGE fan of your ideas, though! Especially the idea of him having some sort of trap if the player attacks/buffs while he's talking. Would make it feel more like a calculated attempt to goad, and not just him bloviating while a hammer sails towards his head.
I feel like people would just exploit this. You know, walk in with a bunch of random cheap spells and no weapons so he has all the anti-magic stuff, then quickly swap to your melee weapons when the fight starts, just how people trivialize the mimic tear by going in naked.
"You are no match for me, Gideon. I have something you don't." "And what's that?" "A budget for CGI special effects, and a CPU that's strong enough to run it all!"
Shame this is one of the VERY FEW instances you can use that Eternal Darkness spell :( Tons of boss spells are just ground-based or big aoes and this does nothing vs them : (
Get creative ser. Ease your transitioning phase and embrace the spell called "Gavel of Haima' , combined with other things focused on stance breaking, thus you shall still unga, but the magic kind.
Holy shit he actually has cool moves, would've worked better as a summon. Unfortunately I usually just kill him in 10 seconds. He's the most pathetic boss really.
On my 1st char I did the same, rushed him and kept him cc'd till he died in a few secs, but wanted to let him cook this time in hopes of an epic magic duel. Kind of a shame he also didn't think of using the same spells I did to absorb mine tho', that would've been something :) In the end NPCs that operate under the same rules as the player a.k.a. vulnerable to knock down, easily staggerable, skills that aren't any faster than yours, won't hold much of a candle to you besides the early game but he would've been cool as a summon reward after you beat him.
He's super strong in some challenge runs where you can't stagger him. I beat Malenia 1st try using 0 flasks and had no idea why everyone had trouble with her until I used a non staggering weapon. It's a different game I tell you
This was the more fun way to trivialize it, on my previous char I did it the more boring, just rush & knock him down repeatedly way : D , altho' that was still fun at the time.
I'm pretty sure in my first fight he and I both immediately jumped to the Kamehameha beam and I just outlasted him with a little bit of health left over. That or he canceled his beam early to try and drink his flask and I just didn't notice because I couldn't see crap. 😂 It probably would have felt pretty "Harry Potter"-ish if I could have bloody SEEN any of it through the beams.
Especially post dlc its become a meme to completely demolish him. I didn't even give him a s fighting chance and i didn't one shot him. Using the flask tears of increased attack power and unlimited stamina i stun locked him to death with weed cutter from the great katana rakshasa weapon art as I'm arc dex build.
It's the either "u let him talk & cook and he spams you with almost all incants & sorceries known to the Lands in Between" , or just bum-rush him and keep him CC'd while he's helpless : D Or I guess, absorb his spells like I did, haha
Haven't seen it myself, but then again, I just had this one brief encounter with him. Heck, I was surprised he didn't use Eternal Darkness & Rennala or Ranni's moons himself to counter my spells, so 'ol Gideon ain't so all-knowing it seems.
The Dark Moon, as does Relanna's moon, absorbs spells - not all - but a lot of player projectile based ones. Pretty cool offensive & defensive tool at times.
@@spekter1391 Me :D On both my playthroughs on two diff chars, I did. Idk, I just feel like going to the Haligtree when i'm still in the ice area. The moment I burnt the erdrtee and get tp'd to Faram Azula, I just wanna stay on that same pace. As for difficulty, I'm prolly one of those weirdos who find Malenia more enjoyable than the other late game bosses , largely cause the way the fight is paced ( plenty of breathers) and how she can get staggered/flipped like a burger, etc, makes many, many strats & builds viable vs her, as long as u know what ur doing ofc...
There has never been a better use of eternal darkness
Glad I finally got to make use of it lol, was so disappointed when I saw most(all?) of fire Giant's spells just ignore it : (
Preceptor Miriam is a good place to use it.
Knight Loretta too.
Does it absorb magic? I’ve never used that.
@@JonahsWail Yea, but unfortunately only projectiles, and even then some get past it.
No ground attacks that pop under you , or big aoes, no breath attacks, etc > < A good shield will often just be better.
This is like one of those spells that has a great concept behind it, but falls short due to how they decided to make most deadly elemental attacks in the game and they didn't tune the spell to respond to that.
@@MgMast3r yea that’s a bummer. Like you say, conceptually that power would be cool to play with for character and lore-building.
Woe. Moon be upon ye
Thy Moon shall taketh all thy blades
And snuff out thy flame of ambition.
Virgin spying on the tarnished to copy spells from each region vs chad going there to acquire them
"Poor Gideon. You claim to know everything. Well, everything... except how to USE the knowledge you've acquired. Allow me to demonstrate..."
Gideon : I know everything !
Tarnished : Yes ? Me too, what's your point ?
I really wish they leaned into the "All Knowing" thing by having him come with different spells depending on the player's build. Come in with lots of magic? He's got all the anti-magic spells. Come in with a greatshield? He's got the spells that hit through/around shields. Bonus points if he also buffs himself against your primary damage types.
That would be a nightmare to program, most likely. But there is more they could have done with him. Imagine if he cast Law of Regression after his speech. You spend his speech buffing yourself, and then he just removes them. He has Law of Causality with one hit left active during his speech, so any attack will just explode in your face.
He can read whether your magic damage negation or holy damage negation is lower, and focuses on that damage type. Has more defensive options like Black Flame Protection, for example.
Ngl, I was genuinely hoping he'd use also stuff Ranni or Rennala's moons, Eternal Darkness or Thops Parrier, or Carian Retaliation (spell version) to counter my own spells - it'd feel like he acknowledges the player's build.
Alas, it usually plays out similarly - u either let him cook, or bum rush him.
@@Zyk0th | If it was simply swapping out what spells he could cast, I don't think it'd be too hard to set up.
HUGE fan of your ideas, though! Especially the idea of him having some sort of trap if the player attacks/buffs while he's talking. Would make it feel more like a calculated attempt to goad, and not just him bloviating while a hammer sails towards his head.
I feel like people would just exploit this. You know, walk in with a bunch of random cheap spells and no weapons so he has all the anti-magic stuff, then quickly swap to your melee weapons when the fight starts, just how people trivialize the mimic tear by going in naked.
@@darthplagueis13 | True, but most folks wouldn't exactly be doing research before their first attempt.
A gentleman who allows Gideon to finish his monologue before attacking him? You, ser, earned a like.
I love proper introductions, which is also why I found it a bummer when most bosses in the DLC just insta-charge/dash at you :(
"You are no match for me, Gideon. I have something you don't."
"And what's that?"
"A budget for CGI special effects, and a CPU that's strong enough to run it all!"
Did you think I’d told you all of my secrets, old man?
This is some Harry Potter shit. I love it.
Shame this is one of the VERY FEW instances you can use that Eternal Darkness spell :(
Tons of boss spells are just ground-based or big aoes and this does nothing vs them : (
Making it out of Hogwarts with this one
This is the one thing that might sell me on a magic playthrough instead of another unga bunga.
Get creative ser.
Ease your transitioning phase and embrace the spell called "Gavel of Haima' , combined with other things focused on stance breaking, thus you shall still unga, but the magic kind.
Elden ring, but it's actually armored core 6
Bro just went ▶️◀️🔼⬇️↖️↙️↗️↘️↪️🔁
0:54 that kill was sick
Rannis Moon goes brrr - Gideon fcked up in not learning the spell that'd work both offensively & defensively vs projectile spells :)
Holy shit he actually has cool moves, would've worked better as a summon.
Unfortunately I usually just kill him in 10 seconds. He's the most pathetic boss really.
On my 1st char I did the same, rushed him and kept him cc'd till he died in a few secs, but wanted to let him cook this time in hopes of an epic magic duel.
Kind of a shame he also didn't think of using the same spells I did to absorb mine tho', that would've been something :)
In the end NPCs that operate under the same rules as the player a.k.a. vulnerable to knock down, easily staggerable, skills that aren't any faster than yours, won't hold much of a candle to you besides the early game but he would've been cool as a summon reward after you beat him.
He's super strong in some challenge runs where you can't stagger him. I beat Malenia 1st try using 0 flasks and had no idea why everyone had trouble with her until I used a non staggering weapon. It's a different game I tell you
@@sharpasacueball lol I beat her on my first try, and I'm pretty sure it was dumb luck because I haven't beaten her again since then. 😂
Damn ... you straight up trivialised this fight
This was the more fun way to trivialize it, on my previous char I did it the more boring, just rush & knock him down repeatedly way : D , altho' that was still fun at the time.
I just stood at the doorway and killed him by outranging his magic with Loretta's mastery. Homing magic bow go brrr
With 1 arrow to the ground as usual I assume :)
@@MgMast3r surprisingly not. I havent really been running into that issue save with staircases or other uneven geometry.
Poor Gilbert.
I wish elden ring had boss memory like sekiro.
Still annoys me that Gideons scepter isn't a casting weapon.
I wish after DLC NG+ they gave Gideon the Staff of the Great Beyond while he holds his Scepter in his right hand
I'm pretty sure in my first fight he and I both immediately jumped to the Kamehameha beam and I just outlasted him with a little bit of health left over.
That or he canceled his beam early to try and drink his flask and I just didn't notice because I couldn't see crap. 😂
It probably would have felt pretty "Harry Potter"-ish if I could have bloody SEEN any of it through the beams.
Beautifully done.
Nice drip
Thx ~ Beast Champion's armor (cape version) works well with Ranni's hat, and is also one of the better armors in the game :)
Beautiful
That hat is looking at me funny.
It';s even funnier in a cutscene where a boss stares u in the face (like Messmer) and the hat's the one staring for me :)
Me and my mimic absolutely bullied him and basically stun-locked him. Ez fight
Considering you can stunlock him even w/o it, I can only imagine you can knock down into lift up routine him with an appropriate set-up mimic, haha
I recently stated playing but with enchantments, and it honestly has been the most fun I've ever had fighting guideon
Especially post dlc its become a meme to completely demolish him. I didn't even give him a s fighting chance and i didn't one shot him. Using the flask tears of increased attack power and unlimited stamina i stun locked him to death with weed cutter from the great katana rakshasa weapon art as I'm arc dex build.
Yoo is that the hidden cape
This is Beast Champion's armor, the unaltered version - pretty good protection besides drip too ; 3
I’ve had fights like this.
And I wish I had more fights like this >< Mby in a NG+ on the same char I'll try Eternal Darkness for every encounter & see exactly where it works.
For all respect i actually struggle to fight gideon than maliketh.
It's the either "u let him talk & cook and he spams you with almost all incants & sorceries known to the Lands in Between" , or just bum-rush him and keep him CC'd while he's helpless : D
Or I guess, absorb his spells like I did, haha
Now that the DLC is here, does he use any of the DLC spells?
Haven't seen it myself, but then again, I just had this one brief encounter with him.
Heck, I was surprised he didn't use Eternal Darkness & Rennala or Ranni's moons himself to counter my spells, so 'ol Gideon ain't so all-knowing it seems.
@@MgMast3r bro too focused on the albinauric woman to know about the shadow realm
@@sharif47 I guess he too must be a BG3 Shadowheart enthusiast, and I cant blame him!
No he doesn't, guarantee you that I did three NG's in a row to reach NG+7 in the last couple days
@@Aenarion_Godslayer DLC NG+7 ALREADY???? Damn, you guys are frigging fast : D And here I'm just taking my sweet time in my 1st run.
Lovely🤝
I just spam the crap out of comet. Easy fight.
Awesome😮😮
The only way to win ranged is to spam like renalla
why did his final phalanx spin around him?
The Dark Moon, as does Relanna's moon, absorbs spells - not all - but a lot of player projectile based ones.
Pretty cool offensive & defensive tool at times.
@@MgMast3r oh, thanks. i thought only the darkness one above the player did that
This is what he deserves for having a massive ego
Everyone loves picking on him, lmao xD
@@MgMast3r Yeah true lol
You look sick
Lookin' even better now with the Carian Thrusting shield from the DLC :)
idk seemed like a decent fight😂
The alternative is him getting perma knocked down so prolly, ya : D
Tho' would've been whack if he also used the same spells to counter mine too.
GIDEON CAN USE SCSRLET AEONIA?
Not the right way, but apparently yes ;3
@@MgMast3r i just checked and he only uses it if you have defeated Malenia before
but who the hell beats Malenia before Gideon
@@spekter1391 Me :D On both my playthroughs on two diff chars, I did.
Idk, I just feel like going to the Haligtree when i'm still in the ice area. The moment I burnt the erdrtee and get tp'd to Faram Azula, I just wanna stay on that same pace.
As for difficulty, I'm prolly one of those weirdos who find Malenia more enjoyable than the other late game bosses , largely cause the way the fight is paced ( plenty of breathers) and how she can get staggered/flipped like a burger, etc, makes many, many strats & builds viable vs her, as long as u know what ur doing ofc...
Gideon's use of Scarlet Aeonia implies he beat Malenia, all I'm saying.
He's all knowing, he knew a lot of spell
Lol no, he just reused the remembraces after the Tarnished kicks their asses.
ng zero and the laziest spells in the game, just throw fireballs already
What a waste of a good potential character that thing was stupid as shit
Yo we have the same outfit