I think the premise is going to be White Man Bad. The Wizard is a white guy so the two witches are going to team up and attack him. Looks like they forgot all about the Wicked Witch of the East, who was killed when Dorothy's house landed on her.
@@protorhinocerator142way to tell everyone that you’ve met watched or read wicked which the movie is based on. wicked witch of the east is a key character in wicked
Nope I’ve never seen a black Karen, they don’t ask to see managers they just yell and throw shit and maybe try to fight or just steal the item. Karen is for white women.
The problem is that Karen is usually seen as white women and the term was originated from black people. Apparently, I don't know. They exist in every race, but we can't have that discussion.
My favourite thing about the pakistani feminist star wars director: The work that made her famous was a documentary "telling the stories" of pakistani women who were abused. So journalism/documentary. She said she would pay the women to tell their stories. That is *highly* unethical for a journalist to do. Anyway. She never paid them and got all the cash and prizes. She exploited women for a documentary about exploited women, which made her famous and no one seems to care
You are a bit contradictory. First you say paying the women for their stories was unethical for a journalist to do, and then you turn round and lambast her for lying about paying them. Make ya fekkin mind up!
@@mnomadvfxor or or and this will probably blow your feeble mind.......BOTH of those things were wrong to do so they BOTH got criticized shocking I know
@@mnomadvfx She claimed to pay those women, when in reality, she didn't. We can agree that's unethical, right? But it's _also_ unethical to pay for a story, right? Surprise, two things can be true at the same time. The fact this has to be explained to you like you're five is amazing.
@@md_vandenbergI’m a little confused here on what you guys would consider the better choice. You claim it’s unethical to profit of the women’s stories without paying them, but it’s also unethical to pay them at all. At that point should you only be able to make the documentary if it’s non profit?
@@anrick1362 No, they're saying it is unethical to: 1. To PAY for stories as a journalist 2. LIE to the people that she said she would pay them. The 1st is that the action itself is unethical, the 2nd is unethical because she LIED not because of the action itself.
Looking at the release schedule over the last 5 years, it's fair to say that they also have the Scarecrow's brain power, as they keep doing the same things, expecting different results and all those whom know this, yet do nothing have all the courage of the Cowardly Lion. Oz _IS_ Hollywood, only with fewer plastic surgeons and PDF files.
And uses her power to help a race of anthropomorphic animals that are facing bigotry and segregation. These chuds are furious about casting in a musical they clearly haven't seen.
@@lens_hunter both black and white actresses have portrayed Elphaba on Broadway, and in the novel her real father is a Quadling. So, she should technically be mixed race. That's neither here nor there. The actual story of Wicked is about a free-thinking woman who is labelled outcast because of the color of her skin and the radical ideas that she believes. Such radical ideas as basic rights for free-thinking beings. All free-thinking beings. If that metaphor escapes you idk if I can help you.
And what person who isn't race obsessed would care about the skin color of the actress buried under a mile of green makeup? Cynthia Ervin is a renowned musical theater actress.
I once saw a TV movie by an African theater company where they made a version of Othello. They race swapped everyone, making Othello a white bloke and set it in an African nation and not a European one. A few sentences, character names and place names were altered slightly for the change in location, but everything else was kept as close to Shakespeare as possible. It was GOOD and as it was an experiment in changing a story from one culture to another it had merit. Randomly changing a characters race, gender, gender identity and/or s£xuality and doing nothing constructive or interesting with the change is just boring as f*ck
Now that sounds excellent - wasn't the point of Othello that it was an 'outsider' (for the times, Moors were a minority and outsider to England right?) so doing a complete swap of all characters to maintain that central point makes sense.
@@calibre97Yeah, not like in Wicked, where Elphaba, who is ostracized for her skin color, becomes the champion for Oz"s anthropomorphic animals, who are facing bigotry, segregation, and literally losing their ability to speak out. *I CAN'T SEE ANY REASON WHY CASTING A POC WOULD BENEFIT THAT CENTRAL POINT.*
Kenneth Branagh did almost the same in the comedy Much Ado About Nothing when put Denzel Whashington in the role of the Prince and Keanu Reeves as his bastard brother.
like the main plot is about how people misjudge her as a wicked witch because she is green when she is actually nice, i would say its perfect to cast a black woman for that role
I think Your watching the wrong video. Are you referring to the thumb nail in a different video? But lets say wicked isn’t an issue what about Achilles? Vikings? Anne? Elfs?
They no longer make entertainment for the masses, they make content for their like-minded peers and if you don't support their messages by paying to see it, then you are labelled as their enemy and _must_ be silenced, re:educated... or worse. There used to be a word for that sort of mindset.
Weird when you tell people this is happening and they go 'pffffft what are you talking about'... Then 5 minutes late they say 'bah all modern movies suck' and then you ask 'why do they suck... Its like your on a merry go round trying to tell people who just cant see it...
@@Do0mSl4yer95 I dunno, they blame : poor writing, underpaid writers, rushed production, capitalism, everythings been done before. old revamps. They dont see that men dont wanna watch androgynous girl boss women and men dont wanna watch 9st woman go through 6 trained bodyguards.
@@nostromza3433 they believe they’ll profit off of it but in reality they’re losing money from it, so to cover their asses and pride they’ll keep doing it and call everyone racists, sexist, and transphobic that don’t support their ips. It’s hilarious
@@nostromza3433 i think theyve trapped themselves with these activists and now they cant U Turn. I remember right at the beginning Jordan Peterson going on about a 5th column. The activists have been infiltrated and disney cant just change the woke rules they've been pushing for 8 years. I really believed they thought people would lap this up. They are probably going to lectures where judith butler makes out men and women are exactly the same but its society that makes women 9st and men 15st. Ive heard a lot of that post modernist B/S.
They stop doing that 20 years ago. Now is reboot and reset with plenty of DEI ... is it working ? Look around you and what Hollywood has produced. There's your answer ...
As an asian I've never felt the need to have an asian in a film for any reason. I grew up as a hardcore Star Wars fan and never for one moment thought hold up where's the asian. I don't know who these films are pandering too with their diversity but from everyone I speak too (foreigners) not a single one has ever expressed or thought there should be more foreign representation in any film. In fact the opposite, I always find it jarring if I'm watching say a historical English drama based in the 17th Century and they have kings, etc who are black. It's just not correct and actually spoils the show for me. If I see historical English drama's I want to see white english people, if I see historical african dramas I want to see black people etc
I agree with you 100% As a White guy, I'd be pretty ticked off if I seen someone like Bruce Lee portrayed as a white guy in a movie, anime, video game, ect.
As a Hispanic male growing up in America, I've never felt like my race needed to be represented in any movie. Never crossed my mind. I enjoyed them for their storytelling.
Aren't many of the elements of STAR WARS, from Darth Vader's samurai armor to the pantheistic "Force" religion, archetypally Asian anyway? The name "Obi-wan Kenobi" sounds Japanese, and "Han" is a Chinese name if you leave off the "Solo." George Lucas even cited Akira Kurosawa as a primary inspiration. It's usually the cultural influence that's more "ethnic" than the physical appearance of the characters themselves. That is one reason why STAR WARS still comes off as countercultural after all these years, despite its basically Eurocentric perspective. When I was growing up and watching Black sitcoms, the skin color of the protagonists was almost incidental to me. I didn't see the characters as "exotic" because they were fully Westernized; they did not emphasize their African roots, except insofar as they were African-AMERICAN. With Latino characters it was a bit different because their "otherness" was given a little more emphasis (speaking Spanish, for example). Also, Latino characters were a little more likely to mix with "Anglo" characters, so that juxtaposition underscored the difference even more. Thus, even though Latinos in American culture are (usually) lighter-skinned than Blacks, they seemed more "alien" to me. It is culture, not physiology, that is the key to determining whether a people will come off as foreign.
I was with you until you said being a Karen is fundamentally white. Being a Karen is about entitlement, assertiveness, and being blind to your own flaws. Those things know no race. In fact, I'm pretty sure the "Strong Female Character" trend is just the result of writing rooms full of Karens doing self-insert characters. Just think... "What would a Karen's self-insert character look like?" and I think you'll get the picture.
It's because corporate culture rewards narcissistic personality well above what it's capable of. If they'll puff themselves up they don't actually care about the competency once they get into a role.
I think about that sometimes but I think there's truth to a racial element being present in the Karen phenomenon- at least in the U.S. Because almost to a woman, when they're threatening to call the cops it's on people of colour for 'invading their space' i.e literally anywhere public. When they get arrested for driving drunk etc, they complain that it's the so-called 'hoodlums' and gangbangers that should be arrested not them because they're "good people". If they're going off on fast food/retail workers it's because they feel entitled and have not experienced being denied service so they can't imagine it happening to them ever. But you get the point. Not to say there aren't Karens of all races out there. Sorry this is long but to answer your question about a strong female character - I picture Lara Croft lol.
No. Being a Karen is centered in racial violence. It's not supposed to be used generically. Black folks created the term to address their fears of white women. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_(slang) There's a long history of white women successfully targeting Black folks with false accusations that led to violence. Remember Emmett Till? The 14 year old boy who was tortured and murdered because a white woman lied to her husband that Till had whistled at her. Others then began to misuse Karen for their own purposes against women in a more generic fashion. It's like the word "woke," which Black folks created to mean look out for systemic racism back in the 1930s. The saying was "stay woke." Next thing you know, woke suddenly is applied to many things in the 2010s and then became a tool of the Right to vent anger at societal changes. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke
For me it was when he defended angrboda, like has he played the game? Her parts of the game are easily the worst parts of the game. Her character is a goodie goodie two shoes because she’s black and in mythology angrboda was described as a nasty giantess, not a Jotun, specifically a giantess. As in really tall. Her skin was described as white as white, because all giantesses in mythology had an affinity for storms or winter. Her temper was so bad it conjured storms, everywhere she went it stormed. But the game has none of this. They made her a completely different character and then race swapped her because it’s problematic to make her accurate to mythology and keep her skin dark.
Being assertive isn't the problem with Karens, it's standing over others. Standing up for yourself isn't bullying, but standing over others is and that's what makes a Karen. They like to throw their weight around and push others around under the guise of asserting themselves.
Elphaba's story is about the racism that she faces because of her green skin.. It's also due to her green skin that she is labeled as "Wicked". Cynthia Erivo is a fantastic actress and singer. Elphaba has been played by many different races in the musical.
No, Elphaba is labelled Wicked as a political smear campaign because she stands up to the creeping fascism and rewriting of Ozs history. Its sounds familiar
@@Roch-kl5ge Me when I don’t know the original plot of a Disney movie. She’s not black, she’s green. And he has an issue with her being played by a black actress even though it doesn’t change the plot since she’s GREEN.
I've lived in the UK for 10 years, in that time, it has went from a very egalitarian, fair, secular nation to a biased, unjust system. One I could benefit from (and I'm encouraged to do so) but fight against. For that, the sort of racist language those people claim they are against, is suddenly okay to use again as it is justified for my non-compliance. The slurs I have experienced for not bowing to the message is funny, yet disturbing.
Why fight against it? If you really want to put an end to it, get in there on their terms and change it from the inside. Hollywood likes to pretend Bad Boys never happened. That Blade never happened. That only white cinema has ever existed and it’s time for that to end.
Your analysis of Elphaba's character is a bit off-base, and I think complaining about race-swapping her is silly in that light, especially because of her green skin. What bothers ME about the casting is that she's supposed to be playing a college student even though she looks old enough to be Ariana Grande's mother.
@@youmestsafcasting for a movie is different from casting for a stage play/musical. Looks/age/race dont matter as much on stage. Its mostly just about your singing voice and if you can portray the character well. It's different for movies though, theyre supposed to be accurate.
@@youmestsaf Yes...on stage. This is a MOVIE. In which we are forced to see close-ups of the actor's face for long periods of time. You see the problem?
It's worse behind-the-scenes. Looking at anything written beyond say, 2016, there's a huge nosedive in terms of quality. I believe this is because "hiring on merit" is a thing of the past. ☹
Education standards are slipping downwards because, among many reasons, teachers are not really allowed to correct mistakes. Imagine that as they grow up.
Cynthia Erivo has won a Tony Award for Best Actress, a Daytime Emmy Award, a Theatre World Award and Hollywood World Award. Are you really trying to tell me she has no "merit?" JFC.
@@EliasJWhite My comment was about writers. "behind-the-scenes", and clearly, modern writing has taken a nosedive in the past few years. If anything, adapting second tier musicals for the big screen is proof of this.
@@FatNorthernBigot The original Broadway production won three Tony Awards and seven Drama Desk Awards, and the original cast album received a Grammy Award. In 2023, it surpassed Cats to become Broadway's fourth-longest running show. You can say it's overrated if you want, and that's fair. That's your opinion, but it is widely recognized as being more than "second tier." Also, Arcane is a very clear exception when it comes to poor modern-day writing. So is Puss in Boots: The Last Wish. Also, the Spiderverse movies. And the live-action One Piece. And Blue Eye Samurai...
Heck, they don't even have to necessarily imagine all that much. If they want diverse cultures represented how much of the mythology and folklore have we seen out of Africa, India, Asia, South America? Are we to believe they have zero folktales and myths worth creating entertainment out of? And it would follow there is plenty of diverse casting opportunities in those tales as it would culturally make sense to people them with actors of those cultural/ethnic backgrounds.
While I do agree, I wouldn't use Samuel L Jackson as an example. Samuel L Jackson was acting himself and the Ultimate version of Nick Fury which was based on him. The good example of a Race swap in Marvel and done very well, is Daredevil movie in 2003. Michael Clarke Duncan was a good Kingpin despite the movie sucks.
The casting director admitted that the only white guys who auditioned to play Kingpin were pro wrestlers, so they couldn’t act. Michael Clarke Duncan (RIP) got the role because he was the only one who was both the right size and a good actor.
I'm not sure if you have actually seen "Wicked" on stage or if you're just trying to create more clickbait. Over the last two decades (!!!) there have been countless women of various ethnic backgrounds who played the two witches. As well as the supporting characters. So not exactly the best example for your message.
Just because it's a european story doesn't mean a damn fairy or elf or lizard person can't be played buy a darkskinned Dominican. You sound like a bitch and a loser when you make it that much of a problem@@deathmetal271
@@Zenny-RUclips Well we used to think that too, but left wingers actually had a point about "whitewashing" so we changed our minds. Then they started doing exactly what they had complained about, forgetting that we actually had principles and weren't just power-hungry political mobsters.
I always feel uncomfortable when I see historically incorrect casting in a period drama. It feels to me like a denial and disrespect of the actual history of the people being portrayed in the screen. They're just taking an easy way to make money and make it look like they have 'good intentions' than to create something completely new and attractive.
We should just all kill ourselves we are losing the plot and critical thinking skills. Elphaba is green, like WICKED is a MUSICAL and the character is written for anybody of any ethics can play her. Cynthia Ervin is a talented singer she’s been on Broadway for goodness sake it’s no shocker that she got this role. She’s a phenomenal singer and I can’t wait to see her performance. You’re overthinking this role way too much😭😭💀💀
in the original musical/book there’s a lot of conflict about the colour of elphaba’s skin and mistreatment and prejudice she faces for being green. identity politics are a key theme of wicked
I fundamentally reject the idea that people can only identify with and be inspired by people who look like them. My proof? MICHAEL JORDAN Literally every guy born within ten years of me grew up idolizing Michael Jordan, no matter where we were born or what our skin color is. Case in point.
60+ white males. Same guys from 20+ years ago. The only reason they are pushing woke propaganda is the investment group said they will only give companies who push woke propaganda their money.
_1990's-2000's:_ "Be open-minded, and do not judge people for characteristcs over which they have no control." _2010's-2020's:_ "You know what? Never mind."
So the woman in ‘Wicked’ has full lips and it’s a problem? I’m not a C. Erivo fan, though with her EGOT she should be able to hold her own vs I. Menzel’s classic performance.
The real problem of our time is the deep rooted, all consuming, omnipresent spite. It's in everyone i know on line and off line. Including myself. And we must cure it before it makes the solving of all other problems impossible.
No. Samual L Jackson’s Nick Fury WAS not the Nick Fury I enjoyed from the comics. He brought his “brother style twang” to a character that was never meant to be that way.
Whites are mediocore, honey and you're not having babies. So cry somewehere else. USA is seeing the population of whites decline in USA and it's gonna turn black and brown just like South Africa so why not get ahead of the curve? I suggest you stop bitching and get with the program.
Hollywood’s current obsession with remakes, prequels and sequel are really an admission as to when the best movies were made and to when the best creative minds in entertainment worked. Hint: that time isn’t now
As distracting as lot of weird race and gender stuff I think a lot of the worst stuff is the stuff you don't see. The mistreatment of writers and directors who actually have skill and experience over preformative diversity. The terrible creative decisions and missed opportunities behind the scenes done under the guise of sensitivity. The ideological gatekeeping that happens behind the scenes.
Some tinfoil hat youtuber told me that it was a ploy to boot out the seasoned veteran writers and hire in random newbies under the guise of diversty, to weaken the profession so they execs will have an easier time replacing them later with AI. Probably nuts, but this reminded me of that.
Absolutely excellent video essay. To me the most alarming part is the 'identity as morality' or more so 'marginalization as inherently good' piece -- and furthermore that future generations of writers are being maleducated by these pop culture examples, because we'll lose the very concept of heroics. Echo is a great example ... she is an indigenous, female, amputee ...there for three layers of 'goodness' ... yet the character herself is morally dubious at best. Ta Nehisi coates himself once wrote that he realized in his youth that 'a boot on your neck is not automatically ennobling.' I could almost stand all the identity politics bullshit if it were even half as intelligent or thoughtful as it pretends to be. At this stage, it's just naked, childish, petulance.
"a boot on your neck is not automatically ennobling" Quite. You need only look at what Israel has become to see how quickly a recently oppressed people can turn into a nation of callous genocide condoning monsters. Less than a century after the pogroms of Odessa and the holocaust of Nazi Germany they had already become everything they have lambasted over and over through every kind of screen and literary medium during the last 50 years. A boot on their necks apparently bred only homicidal resentment, taken out on the first available neighbors once they were given a patch of land to call their own and the perpetual military support to keep it.
"Marginalisation as inherently good" is similar to the underpinning grounds for siezing the means of production in marxist theory. The oppressed are always morally superior to the oppressor, therefore revolt is morally imperative, regardless of the outcome. It's the same core idea rearing it's head in a different (non-economic) context.
Just because Glenda is called the Good Witch doesnt mean she was morally superior. Ive not seen Wicked, so I dont know the characterization of those characters, but I do remember the original movie. Glenda lies to Dorothy and even commits theft upon first meeting her, all in an effort to sabotage or outright kill her remaining rival great powers of Oz. Dorothy had just inadvertently killed the Witch of the East. The Witch of the West comes to reclaim the property of her dead sister. As next of kin, the shoes belong to West. Glenda magics them away and onto Dorothy, commiting theft. This sets up conflict between the newcommer and West. Then Glenda lies to Dorothy and tells her to travel to Emerald City in order to get home. This sets up a conflict between her and the Wizard. Glenda knows full well how to send Dorothy home. She does it real quick at the end, once she is rid of her two political rivals, courtesy of her unwitting pawn from out of town. Glenda played the game ruthlessly well. Dont let names fool you. You dont really think North Korea is a democracy or a republic, do you, despite being formally called the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea.
"but I do remember the original movie" The Technicolor movie of Wizard of Oz was a poor representation of L Frank Baum's actual work. Speaking of which LFB was literally so anti native American that he advocated for their complete genocide after Wounded Knee - needless to say I don't think that anyone should be touching his crap.
Glenda knew that if the witch possessed the slippers, evil would triumph…it’s like America and the atomic bomb… wear white… but carry a big broom stick.
Regarding "Wicked" - take out all the identity politics and you're still left with a mediocre, tedious story at best. "Wicked" is a contrived (and weird) theater play on the Wizard of Oz where the Wicked Witch is cast as a victimized & oppressed person. We've all seen something like this before. I'm sure the movie will be dazzled up with CGI, bloated with dialog then end up on Disney+ a few weeks after it's release. I'm starting to believe the D.E.I. in movies is simply to divert attention away from the fact the entertainment industry only knows how to produce stale, formulaic garbage.
This is the core of the problem though. They use identity politics and other such contemporary flim flam as a substitute for actual substance in plot complexity and character progression. You can still make a film relevant to modern times without completely excising all substance from it. To me the MCU was already leaning toward a substance devoid cookie cutter production line well before Endgame happened. Doctor Strange is basically just Iron Man with a different plot driving element. ie magic and time stone vs tech and arc reactor. Strange even wears the Eye of Agamotto in the exact same place on his chest as the arc reactor.
@@brootal4234 Lea Salonga is a legend but at this point is probably too old to play the role in a movie. She could get away with performing it on stage where age isn't as visible. Cynthia Erivo is a perfect choice, but regarding an Asian being cast in the role, I doubt theater fans would complain much if Rachelle Ann Go were cast in that role
@@insertnamehere5809 Ditto Japanese and other Asian Manga and Anime is popular in the west while the woke-trashed DC, Marvel and others are being rejected by most comic-book readers.
Ah yes because i wanna hear words that are used by people writing essays to work on getting their bachelor degrees on a sophisticated social media look youtube. Brilliant. I concour lol
... Whenever I hear the word culture… I release the safety-catch of my Browning! I don't always quote Nazis, but when I do, I look that shit up on wikipedia!-) Hanns Johst (8 July 1890 - 23 November 1978) was a German poet and playwright, directly aligned with Nazi philosophy, as a member of the officially approved writers’ organisations in the Third Reich. The statement “When I hear the word culture, I reach for my gun”, variously misattributed to Heinrich Himmler, Joseph Goebbels and Hermann Göring, was in fact a corrupted version of a line in his play Schlageter. THIEMANN: That's for damned sure! Barbed wire is barbed wire! I know what I'm up against.... No rose without a thorn!... And the last thing I'll stand for is ideas to get the better of me! I know that rubbish from '18 ..., fraternity, equality, ..., freedom ..., beauty and dignity! You gotta use the right bait to hook 'em. And then, you're right in the middle of a parley and they say: Hands up! You're disarmed..., you republican voting swine!-No, let 'em keep their good distance with their whole ideological kettle of fish ... I shoot with live ammunition! When I hear the word culture ..., I release the safety on my Browning!"
@@KatanamasterV I don't always quote Nazis, but when I do, I look that shit up on wikipedia!-) Hanns Johst (8 July 1890 - 23 November 1978) was a German poet and playwright, directly aligned with Nazi philosophy, as a member of the officially approved writers’ organisations in the Third Reich. The statement “When I hear the word culture, I reach for my gun”, variously misattributed to Heinrich Himmler, Joseph Goebbels and Hermann Göring, was in fact a corrupted version of a line in his play Schlageter. THIEMANN: That's for damned sure! Barbed wire is barbed wire! I know what I'm up against.... No rose without a thorn!... And the last thing I'll stand for is ideas to get the better of me! I know that rubbish from '18 ..., fraternity, equality, ..., freedom ..., beauty and dignity! You gotta use the right bait to hook 'em. And then, you're right in the middle of a parley and they say: Hands up! You're disarmed..., you republican voting swine!-No, let 'em keep their good distance with their whole ideological kettle of fish ... I shoot with live ammunition! When I hear the word culture ..., I release the safety on my Browning!"
@@Userfriendly1977 I don't always quote Nazis, but when I do, I look that shit up on wikipedia!-) Hanns Johst (8 July 1890 - 23 November 1978) was a German poet and playwright, directly aligned with Nazi philosophy, as a member of the officially approved writers’ organisations in the Third Reich. The statement “When I hear the word culture, I reach for my gun”, variously misattributed to Heinrich Himmler, Joseph Goebbels and Hermann Göring, was in fact a corrupted version of a line in his play Schlageter. THIEMANN: That's for damned sure! Barbed wire is barbed wire! I know what I'm up against.... No rose without a thorn!... And the last thing I'll stand for is ideas to get the better of me! I know that rubbish from '18 ..., fraternity, equality, ..., freedom ..., beauty and dignity! You gotta use the right bait to hook 'em. And then, you're right in the middle of a parley and they say: Hands up! You're disarmed..., you republican voting swine!-No, let 'em keep their good distance with their whole ideological kettle of fish ... I shoot with live ammunition! When I hear the word culture ..., I release the safety on my Browning!"
When i was a little boy we learned in school we may look different, but in reality we where all just as good and on the inside quite similar, now, some 60 years later i learn this is totally wrong and everyone should be ranked in value according to exactly what i was told did not matter, think it was a painter in Austria with same thoughts, and i don't think it ended very well
I really must thank the current tendencies in filmed entertainment, be it movies or television, for being so utterly unwatchable that I've rediscovered my love of litterature. I haven't read this many books in ages!
8:37 angrboda is an EXAMPLE of why this shit is BAD. Her presence in the story was useless and irrelevant, yet the story forces her in to a large extent. Her character in mythology was described as WHITE AS WINTER. since all giantesses were white as winter, and had some affinity for storms. Angrboda herself had a temper SOOOOO bad that it actually conjured storms. Everywhere she went a snow storm followed her, yet in the game they made her this loveable cutesy girl because it would be problematic to make a bipoc bad.
I disagree about the character of Elphaba "acting white" what does that even mean? Also, technically, in terms of the story of Wicked Elphaba and her family aren't even human, they're Munchkins (they live in and are related to prominent families in Munchkinland) so they can't even be referred to as "white". Black woman can be "Karens" too but I wouldn't even describe her behavior as such.
With RUclips if it wasn't overcommercialized and owned by the Left it would have been possible but it's clearly too late now if you want to make any money off of it
Uh, sorry I’m not too deep in your video but…it’s a woman painted green. I don’t understand the problem, I’m sure plenty of black women have played elphaba on stage so I don’t think this is new.
Some weird woke and misandric things are happening in the USA. I am glad that I live in the part of Europe that usually is called "based". We don't have that kind of thing here, blackwashing and general misandry.
Not Hungary by any chance? A friend working there was pleased to see the media and society in general in eastern Europe is refreshingly free of woke-trashing or The Message. But the EU and left-wing politicians are trying to force their globalist Neo-Marxist societal agenda into eastern Europe. Hope you manage to resist it.
"don't reimagine just imagine, respect historical context, respect Source material, develop a diversity of entertainment not a homogeneous approach to all entertainment, make the audience stirred by your imagination and your characters not by great heavy shovel Falls of testimony to Progressive ideas."
because of early identity politics Nick Fury was changed to a black man in an animated series that had a resemblance to Samuel Jackson who found out and said it's all good if he gets the role of the live action character.
oh are you thinking about the comic arc where the original nick fury became a watcher/observer or what ever those bald aliens are called, and the Samual Jackson version took his place? if so its still the sameidentity politics bs.@@Exzimius
Ultimate Avengers comic had sam Jackson looking Nick Fury, then a cartoon based on the comic that came out was super successful convinced studios Avengers movie would work. Comic artist based Avengers drawings on actors and originally wanted to draw captain America black but decided to make Nick black instead so he used Sam as a reference.
the only diffence between then and now is that they new they should and did respect established characters unlike today with suicide squad killed the justice league. @@Exzimius
When I saw the black woman Viking march out as a warrior leader in Vikings, I stopped the show and said, DONE. Nothing to do with racism, it is just so stupid it takes you right out of the story. The people in the time period in that region had probably never even seen a black person, much less somehow had a woman chief (which was very rare for Vikings.) Even the shield maidens did not actively fight that much.
What's funny is that both 1958's "The Vikings" (a fun movie with Kirk Douglas and Jamie Lee Curtis's parents) and 1978's "The Norseman" (an awful kiddie matinee flick) had black characters among their Vikings. In the '58 film, it was Trinidad born Edric Connor playing a Moor/African who had been enslaved and in the 1978 film it was former NFL star Deacon Jones playing a former African captive turned warrior. Both of which were more believable than that eyerolling black woman "jarl" on "Vikings: Valhalla." She was clearly cast to click-off diversity boxes and for "Girl Powah/Yass Queen, Slay" reasons. The ham-handed forced diversity is just so blatant.
@@mkeogh76 WHITE FRAGILITY IS MY FAVOURITE THING THATS BEING EXPOSD IN USA RIGHT NOW. YOU CAN'T HANDLE THAT THEY'RE CASTING TALENT AND NOT BASED ON NEPOTISM OR WHITE BIAS.
When it’s a fictional character I, for the most part, don’t really care but when they start casting every other race under the planet except for Caucasian for historical figures who are known to be white then it really irks me
Great video, we are so sickkkk and tirrrred of this bs. It’s plain to see, it makes no money and doesn’t satisfy or entertain anyone. What the actual f*ck is going on?
Essentially, cultural Marxist indoctrination via the Long March Into the Institutions. The products of 'woke' universities - particularly feminist women - infiltrated the entertainment business and are now showrunners in most of the big media franchises. Without a root and branch cull of the ideology 'this bs' continues unless the studios and TV companies go bankrupt.
I always wondered if the raceswap is that was done during the 80s and 90s helped open the doors for how uncontrollable the raceswap and Genderswap that is being done now.
Cause those are the actual racists. They even bother hiding it anymore. While I agree this movie looks like it has issues, but casting a black woman as the green witch is NOT one of them.
Or your'e just getting a wakeup a=call and realising the world doesn't revolve around white people. Sorry but this casting reflects the real talent around here and whites are not talented. They get cast because go their skin color. Can Sydney Sweeney act. No. Can Selena Gomez sing. No.
One correction i would make. Nick Fury was skin changed in the comics before Jackson played him in the movies. However he did look like Jackson which is probably why the producers thought to hire him.
Me when I don't understand the basic premise of Wicked:
I think the premise is going to be White Man Bad.
The Wizard is a white guy so the two witches are going to team up and attack him.
Looks like they forgot all about the Wicked Witch of the East, who was killed when Dorothy's house landed on her.
@@protorhinocerator142way to tell everyone that you’ve met watched or read wicked which the movie is based on. wicked witch of the east is a key character in wicked
It’s basically Maleficent. If you’ve seen that, you’ve seen Wicked
I will disagree on one point: Karens are not defined by skin color. Karens are found in every race, color, creed, ethnicity, and gender.
not in art...not so far...
This is the case but when an obnoxious black woman is a Karen they're a 'strong black woman' to the media.
Nope I’ve never seen a black Karen, they don’t ask to see managers they just yell and throw shit and maybe try to fight or just steal the item. Karen is for white women.
The problem is that Karen is usually seen as white women and the term was originated from black people. Apparently, I don't know. They exist in every race, but we can't have that discussion.
Pay attention to the news and you will understand why "Karen" is always applied to white women..
My favourite thing about the pakistani feminist star wars director:
The work that made her famous was a documentary "telling the stories" of pakistani women who were abused. So journalism/documentary. She said she would pay the women to tell their stories. That is *highly* unethical for a journalist to do. Anyway. She never paid them and got all the cash and prizes. She exploited women for a documentary about exploited women, which made her famous and no one seems to care
You are a bit contradictory.
First you say paying the women for their stories was unethical for a journalist to do, and then you turn round and lambast her for lying about paying them.
Make ya fekkin mind up!
@@mnomadvfxor or or and this will probably blow your feeble mind.......BOTH of those things were wrong to do so they BOTH got criticized shocking I know
@@mnomadvfx She claimed to pay those women, when in reality, she didn't. We can agree that's unethical, right? But it's _also_ unethical to pay for a story, right?
Surprise, two things can be true at the same time. The fact this has to be explained to you like you're five is amazing.
@@md_vandenbergI’m a little confused here on what you guys would consider the better choice. You claim it’s unethical to profit of the women’s stories without paying them, but it’s also unethical to pay them at all. At that point should you only be able to make the documentary if it’s non profit?
@@anrick1362 No, they're saying it is unethical to:
1. To PAY for stories as a journalist
2. LIE to the people that she said she would pay them.
The 1st is that the action itself is unethical, the 2nd is unethical because she LIED not because of the action itself.
The Tin Man had more heart than Hollywood does now
Looking at the release schedule over the last 5 years, it's fair to say that they also have the Scarecrow's brain power, as they keep doing the same things, expecting different results and all those whom know this, yet do nothing have all the courage of the Cowardly Lion. Oz _IS_ Hollywood, only with fewer plastic surgeons and PDF files.
He did get a mechanical heart, in the end. He was the Iron Man of 1939. 😂😂
And the scarecrow more brains…
And the Lion had the courage to say “Hollywood is a shell of it’s former self”
Indeed.
Wicked is literally about a woman who's judged for her skin color
And uses her power to help a race of anthropomorphic animals that are facing bigotry and segregation. These chuds are furious about casting in a musical they clearly haven't seen.
Yeah but it's not like there are other green skinned people running around.
@@lens_hunter both black and white actresses have portrayed Elphaba on Broadway, and in the novel her real father is a Quadling. So, she should technically be mixed race. That's neither here nor there. The actual story of Wicked is about a free-thinking woman who is labelled outcast because of the color of her skin and the radical ideas that she believes. Such radical ideas as basic rights for free-thinking beings. All free-thinking beings. If that metaphor escapes you idk if I can help you.
And what person who isn't race obsessed would care about the skin color of the actress buried under a mile of green makeup? Cynthia Ervin is a renowned musical theater actress.
@@glitchgoblin1338 Okay, chill out.
I once saw a TV movie by an African theater company where they made a version of Othello. They race swapped everyone, making Othello a white bloke and set it in an African nation and not a European one. A few sentences, character names and place names were altered slightly for the change in location, but everything else was kept as close to Shakespeare as possible. It was GOOD and as it was an experiment in changing a story from one culture to another it had merit. Randomly changing a characters race, gender, gender identity and/or s£xuality and doing nothing constructive or interesting with the change is just boring as f*ck
Now that sounds excellent - wasn't the point of Othello that it was an 'outsider' (for the times, Moors were a minority and outsider to England right?) so doing a complete swap of all characters to maintain that central point makes sense.
Orson Welles pioneered race swapping by creating "Voodoo Macbeth" on stage in 1936. He was 20 years old at the time. It was a big success.
Patrick Stewart did the same thing in New York back in the 90’s (he played Othello, of course).
@@calibre97Yeah, not like in Wicked, where Elphaba, who is ostracized for her skin color, becomes the champion for Oz"s anthropomorphic animals, who are facing bigotry, segregation, and literally losing their ability to speak out. *I CAN'T SEE ANY REASON WHY CASTING A POC WOULD BENEFIT THAT CENTRAL POINT.*
Kenneth Branagh did almost the same in the comedy Much Ado About Nothing when put Denzel Whashington in the role of the Prince and Keanu Reeves as his bastard brother.
how dare hollywood cast a black woman for a character who misjudges by people just because of her skin color🙄
like the main plot is about how people misjudge her as a wicked witch because she is green when she is actually nice, i would say its perfect to cast a black woman for that role
I haven't seen the movie but I'm convinced she will be so much better than Mila Kunis as the Wicked Witch.
Least convincing evil witch ever.
I think Your watching the wrong video. Are you referring to the thumb nail in a different video? But lets say wicked isn’t an issue what about Achilles? Vikings? Anne? Elfs?
@@tris2806 I don't have a a problem with the casting, but it is a bit on the nose.
They no longer make entertainment for the masses, they make content for their like-minded peers and if you don't support their messages by paying to see it, then you are labelled as their enemy and _must_ be silenced, re:educated... or worse.
There used to be a word for that sort of mindset.
And then they claim that WE'RE the ones who want entertainment to only be pandered towards us. The irony.
Socialists. Like the ones that ran Germany from 1933 to 1945, and Russia from 1917 to 1991.
@@jeremyusreevu237 to be fair you wouldnt find this an issue unless you thought that way.
"There used to be a word for that sort of mindset"
Err... non economical business plan?
They're not even making entertainment. It's propaganda.
Weird when you tell people this is happening and they go 'pffffft what are you talking about'... Then 5 minutes late they say 'bah all modern movies suck' and then you ask 'why do they suck... Its like your on a merry go round trying to tell people who just cant see it...
The thing is
They do see it
@@Do0mSl4yer95 I dunno, they blame : poor writing, underpaid writers, rushed production, capitalism, everythings been done before. old revamps.
They dont see that men dont wanna watch androgynous girl boss women and men dont wanna watch 9st woman go through 6 trained bodyguards.
@@armondtanz If it were capitalism why are they trying so hard to push the opposite of it down our throats?
@@nostromza3433 they believe they’ll profit off of it but in reality they’re losing money from it, so to cover their asses and pride they’ll keep doing it and call everyone racists, sexist, and transphobic that don’t support their ips. It’s hilarious
@@nostromza3433 i think theyve trapped themselves with these activists and now they cant U Turn. I remember right at the beginning Jordan Peterson going on about a 5th column. The activists have been infiltrated and disney cant just change the woke rules they've been pushing for 8 years.
I really believed they thought people would lap this up. They are probably going to lectures where judith butler makes out men and women are exactly the same but its society that makes women 9st and men 15st. Ive heard a lot of that post modernist B/S.
"Don't reimagine, just imagine."
There are no other words that Hollywood needs to hear more than these four.
They stop doing that 20 years ago. Now is reboot and reset with plenty of DEI ... is it working ? Look around you and what Hollywood has produced. There's your answer ...
They're playing CHARACTERS. YOU CHOOSE THE BEST PEROSN FOR THE JOB. WHAT YOUR'E SUFFERING FROM IS WHITE FRAGILTY, GO READ THAT BOOK
As an asian I've never felt the need to have an asian in a film for any reason. I grew up as a hardcore Star Wars fan and never for one moment thought hold up where's the asian. I don't know who these films are pandering too with their diversity but from everyone I speak too (foreigners) not a single one has ever expressed or thought there should be more foreign representation in any film. In fact the opposite, I always find it jarring if I'm watching say a historical English drama based in the 17th Century and they have kings, etc who are black. It's just not correct and actually spoils the show for me. If I see historical English drama's I want to see white english people, if I see historical african dramas I want to see black people etc
I agree with you 100% As a White guy, I'd be pretty ticked off if I seen someone like Bruce Lee portrayed as a white guy in a movie, anime, video game, ect.
As a Hispanic male growing up in America, I've never felt like my race needed to be represented in any movie. Never crossed my mind. I enjoyed them for their storytelling.
As a non-Japanese, not once have I watched various anime movies and thought that what these films were lacking was racial diversity.
Aren't many of the elements of STAR WARS, from Darth Vader's samurai armor to the pantheistic "Force" religion, archetypally Asian anyway? The name "Obi-wan Kenobi" sounds Japanese, and "Han" is a Chinese name if you leave off the "Solo." George Lucas even cited Akira Kurosawa as a primary inspiration. It's usually the cultural influence that's more "ethnic" than the physical appearance of the characters themselves. That is one reason why STAR WARS still comes off as countercultural after all these years, despite its basically Eurocentric perspective.
When I was growing up and watching Black sitcoms, the skin color of the protagonists was almost incidental to me. I didn't see the characters as "exotic" because they were fully Westernized; they did not emphasize their African roots, except insofar as they were African-AMERICAN. With Latino characters it was a bit different because their "otherness" was given a little more emphasis (speaking Spanish, for example). Also, Latino characters were a little more likely to mix with "Anglo" characters, so that juxtaposition underscored the difference even more. Thus, even though Latinos in American culture are (usually) lighter-skinned than Blacks, they seemed more "alien" to me. It is culture, not physiology, that is the key to determining whether a people will come off as foreign.
I've been to Asia. Least diverse place I have ever seen.
"Develop a diversity of entertainment, not a homogenous approach to all entertainment." Perfectly stated.
It’s basically American sensitivities being thrown in the world as if every culture shares the same sensitivities because they got the studios.
Hey hey, it's urban Californian sensibilities. Normal American sensibilities don't align with that nonsense.
Trust me, these aren’t American sensitivities. They belong to a hostile foreign ideology known as Marxism.
This, soooooo this.@@christopherkelley1664
Even more narrow, most Americans don't agree
beyond urban California, just nitwit pseudointellectual elitism@@christopherkelley1664
I think you skipped the part when Ariana Grande says “You’re green!” in the trailer
It's so obvious that a lot of you never even watched OR read wicked
The character is green… just like Zoe Saldana playing Gamora.
she's green bro wtf are you even talking about
I was with you until you said being a Karen is fundamentally white. Being a Karen is about entitlement, assertiveness, and being blind to your own flaws. Those things know no race.
In fact, I'm pretty sure the "Strong Female Character" trend is just the result of writing rooms full of Karens doing self-insert characters. Just think... "What would a Karen's self-insert character look like?" and I think you'll get the picture.
It's because corporate culture rewards narcissistic personality well above what it's capable of. If they'll puff themselves up they don't actually care about the competency once they get into a role.
I think about that sometimes but I think there's truth to a racial element being present in the Karen phenomenon- at least in the U.S. Because almost to a woman, when they're threatening to call the cops it's on people of colour for 'invading their space' i.e literally anywhere public. When they get arrested for driving drunk etc, they complain that it's the so-called 'hoodlums' and gangbangers that should be arrested not them because they're "good people". If they're going off on fast food/retail workers it's because they feel entitled and have not experienced being denied service so they can't imagine it happening to them ever. But you get the point. Not to say there aren't Karens of all races out there.
Sorry this is long but to answer your question about a strong female character - I picture Lara Croft lol.
No. Being a Karen is centered in racial violence. It's not supposed to be used generically. Black folks created the term to address their fears of white women. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_(slang) There's a long history of white women successfully targeting Black folks with false accusations that led to violence. Remember Emmett Till? The 14 year old boy who was tortured and murdered because a white woman lied to her husband that Till had whistled at her.
Others then began to misuse Karen for their own purposes against women in a more generic fashion. It's like the word "woke," which Black folks created to mean look out for systemic racism back in the 1930s. The saying was "stay woke." Next thing you know, woke suddenly is applied to many things in the 2010s and then became a tool of the Right to vent anger at societal changes. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke
For me it was when he defended angrboda, like has he played the game? Her parts of the game are easily the worst parts of the game. Her character is a goodie goodie two shoes because she’s black and in mythology angrboda was described as a nasty giantess, not a Jotun, specifically a giantess. As in really tall. Her skin was described as white as white, because all giantesses in mythology had an affinity for storms or winter. Her temper was so bad it conjured storms, everywhere she went it stormed. But the game has none of this. They made her a completely different character and then race swapped her because it’s problematic to make her accurate to mythology and keep her skin dark.
Being assertive isn't the problem with Karens, it's standing over others. Standing up for yourself isn't bullying, but standing over others is and that's what makes a Karen. They like to throw their weight around and push others around under the guise of asserting themselves.
Elphaba's story is about the racism that she faces because of her green skin.. It's also due to her green skin that she is labeled as "Wicked". Cynthia Erivo is a fantastic actress and singer. Elphaba has been played by many different races in the musical.
No, Elphaba is labelled Wicked as a political smear campaign because she stands up to the creeping fascism and rewriting of Ozs history. Its sounds familiar
Identity politics? She’s GREEN.
Me when I base my entire opinion off a thumbnail and don’t even watch the video
@@Roch-kl5ge Me when I don’t know the original plot of a Disney movie. She’s not black, she’s green. And he has an issue with her being played by a black actress even though it doesn’t change the plot since she’s GREEN.
C'mon! Her face features are of a Black woman painted in green. Don't play dumb.
@@kordei-7839 - what Disney movie? Wtf are you talking about???
@@guyverjay1289 What don't you understand? Let me paraphrase.
Rant rant me not need watch video rant rant and also something about Trump.
Yes, as a black woman who is sick of the stupid pandering, I live for these videos!
Basically. I don't remember any black person asking for this. Poor redheads. 😂😣
I've lived in the UK for 10 years, in that time, it has went from a very egalitarian, fair, secular nation to a biased, unjust system. One I could benefit from (and I'm encouraged to do so) but fight against. For that, the sort of racist language those people claim they are against, is suddenly okay to use again as it is justified for my non-compliance. The slurs I have experienced for not bowing to the message is funny, yet disturbing.
Why fight against it? If you really want to put an end to it, get in there on their terms and change it from the inside. Hollywood likes to pretend Bad Boys never happened. That Blade never happened. That only white cinema has ever existed and it’s time for that to end.
Ugh. I'm SURE you are🙄
@@BleachDemon707 and I'm sure you're a CLINT.
This is why in my opinion good indie productions such as comics, animation and movies are on the rise.
Your analysis of Elphaba's character is a bit off-base, and I think complaining about race-swapping her is silly in that light, especially because of her green skin.
What bothers ME about the casting is that she's supposed to be playing a college student even though she looks old enough to be Ariana Grande's mother.
This! Even grande looks too old. 😅
Cynthia is the same age as Idina was when she played the role
@@youmestsafcasting for a movie is different from casting for a stage play/musical. Looks/age/race dont matter as much on stage. Its mostly just about your singing voice and if you can portray the character well. It's different for movies though, theyre supposed to be accurate.
@@youmestsaf Yes...on stage. This is a MOVIE. In which we are forced to see close-ups of the actor's face for long periods of time. You see the problem?
It's worse behind-the-scenes. Looking at anything written beyond say, 2016, there's a huge nosedive in terms of quality. I believe this is because "hiring on merit" is a thing of the past. ☹
Education standards are slipping downwards because, among many reasons, teachers are not really allowed to correct mistakes. Imagine that as they grow up.
Cynthia Erivo has won a Tony Award for Best Actress, a Daytime Emmy Award, a Theatre World Award and Hollywood World Award. Are you really trying to tell me she has no "merit?" JFC.
@@EliasJWhite My comment was about writers. "behind-the-scenes", and clearly, modern writing has taken a nosedive in the past few years. If anything, adapting second tier musicals for the big screen is proof of this.
@@FatNorthernBigot The original Broadway production won three Tony Awards and seven Drama Desk Awards, and the original cast album received a Grammy Award. In 2023, it surpassed Cats to become Broadway's fourth-longest running show. You can say it's overrated if you want, and that's fair. That's your opinion, but it is widely recognized as being more than "second tier." Also, Arcane is a very clear exception when it comes to poor modern-day writing. So is Puss in Boots: The Last Wish. Also, the Spiderverse movies. And the live-action One Piece. And Blue Eye Samurai...
@@FatNorthernBigot Second Tier? Meanwhile Wicked is one of the most successful Broadway productions ever lol
There is currently a black actress playing Glinda ON broadway.
“Don’t reimagine. Just imagine.”
- That’s just beautiful.
Heck, they don't even have to necessarily imagine all that much. If they want diverse cultures represented how much of the mythology and folklore have we seen out of Africa, India, Asia, South America? Are we to believe they have zero folktales and myths worth creating entertainment out of? And it would follow there is plenty of diverse casting opportunities in those tales as it would culturally make sense to people them with actors of those cultural/ethnic backgrounds.
While I do agree, I wouldn't use Samuel L Jackson as an example.
Samuel L Jackson was acting himself and the Ultimate version of Nick Fury which was based on him.
The good example of a Race swap in Marvel and done very well, is Daredevil movie in 2003.
Michael Clarke Duncan was a good Kingpin despite the movie sucks.
The casting director admitted that the only white guys who auditioned to play Kingpin were pro wrestlers, so they couldn’t act. Michael Clarke Duncan (RIP) got the role because he was the only one who was both the right size and a good actor.
He was an awesome Kingpin, best thing about that movie
I'm not sure if you have actually seen "Wicked" on stage or if you're just trying to create more clickbait. Over the last two decades (!!!) there have been countless women of various ethnic backgrounds who played the two witches. As well as the supporting characters. So not exactly the best example for your message.
She is quite literally green too lol. Race could not matter less in this character's casting.
If a character is fictional who cares what race they are?
Yeah this youtuber is a loser
an argument only given for adaptations to European stories
@@deathmetal271 yeah but half the time you guys just get mad over a new fictional original character being black and it's stupid
Just because it's a european story doesn't mean a damn fairy or elf or lizard person can't be played buy a darkskinned Dominican. You sound like a bitch and a loser when you make it that much of a problem@@deathmetal271
@@Zenny-RUclips Well we used to think that too, but left wingers actually had a point about "whitewashing" so we changed our minds. Then they started doing exactly what they had complained about, forgetting that we actually had principles and weren't just power-hungry political mobsters.
bro what? she’s literally green.. the actress is just black… black people have played her on broadway too
she’s green
dudes a pro yapper
I always feel uncomfortable when I see historically incorrect casting in a period drama. It feels to me like a denial and disrespect of the actual history of the people being portrayed in the screen. They're just taking an easy way to make money and make it look like they have 'good intentions' than to create something completely new and attractive.
Except these shows and movies don’t really make that much money. They usually end up flopping. So it isn’t about the money.
There’s nothing historical about this musical about a green witch in a fictional kingdom of magic.
We should just all kill ourselves we are losing the plot and critical thinking skills. Elphaba is green, like WICKED is a MUSICAL and the character is written for anybody of any ethics can play her. Cynthia Ervin is a talented singer she’s been on Broadway for goodness sake it’s no shocker that she got this role. She’s a phenomenal singer and I can’t wait to see her performance. You’re overthinking this role way too much😭😭💀💀
in the original musical/book there’s a lot of conflict about the colour of elphaba’s skin and mistreatment and prejudice she faces for being green. identity politics are a key theme of wicked
I fundamentally reject the idea that people can only identify with and be inspired by people who look like them. My proof? MICHAEL JORDAN
Literally every guy born within ten years of me grew up idolizing Michael Jordan, no matter where we were born or what our skin color is. Case in point.
green women makes me mad at screen so I make 11 minute video on RUclips
Option 1 - Get used to it
Option 2 - Go find another planet to live on. 😂
Option 3: notices it, point it out, see it change
Here's the thing Elphaba is green this video is a reach and on Broadway black people has played the main leads cause they Auditioned as did Cynthia
I want to see Leonardo DiCaprio star in a biopic about George Floyd.
I get the principle, but I'm thinking more Jack Black.
@@Tim_the_Enchanteralmost peed. 😂
@sunshinecoolwater9528 If that's what it takes for some white people to see him as a person first and foremost, then yeah, let's do it!
I guess he could breathe
man, i'll make an isekai george floyd series.
What are the race and gender of the big studio heads and board of directors? Serious question. I'd love to see a video on that.
60+ white males. Same guys from 20+ years ago. The only reason they are pushing woke propaganda is the investment group said they will only give companies who push woke propaganda their money.
it boggles my mind that identity politics isn’t simply recognised as racism and sexism
They are not capable of creating anything new. Just bastardizing what talented creators have done before them.
"bastardizing" is a good word for it but I'll add "scavenging", "cannibalizing" and "regurgitating".
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
_1990's-2000's:_ "Be open-minded, and do not judge people for characteristcs over which they have no control."
_2010's-2020's:_ "You know what? Never mind."
Fitting channel name lmao
We went from "characters that just so happens to be this" to "characters have to be this"
So the woman in ‘Wicked’ has full lips and it’s a problem? I’m not a C. Erivo fan, though with her EGOT she should be able to hold her own vs I. Menzel’s classic performance.
She's not an EGOT though.
“Identity politics is ruining entertainment” just say you hate minorities bro
i agree with him 100% and im a minority. the only people who disagree are usually white progressives.
you would too if you got mugged by them
@@deathmetal271 Only minorities do muggings?
Stop being such a shill
Just say you’re a pussified degenerate that suffers from racist boogeymen living in your head and infantilizes minorities bro.
“Queef smog” 😂😂😂
This is my new favourite phrase.
You are in first place with the newest slang phrase of the year!! I have to add this to my vocabulary as well. :D
Not even on Urban Dictionary yet. This is truly a fresh one, in a manner of speaking.
The real problem of our time is the deep rooted, all consuming, omnipresent spite.
It's in everyone i know on line and off line. Including myself. And we must cure it before it makes the solving of all other problems impossible.
Insecure white people crying about appropriation. I thought entertainment was for everyone. How about you stop appropriating Korean movies then
It's also the grape and murd3r of creativity.
So, hollyweird has turned everything into Hamilton
Why does it matter if Wlphaba is black if ge is green
Elphaba was played both by white and black actresses through thr years in Broadway.
@@lisah8438 To be fair, only one black actress played Elphaba on Broadway.
She’s literally green.
No. Samual L Jackson’s Nick Fury WAS not the Nick Fury I enjoyed from the comics. He brought his “brother style twang” to a character that was never meant to be that way.
Whites are mediocore, honey and you're not having babies. So cry somewehere else. USA is seeing the population of whites decline in USA and it's gonna turn black and brown just like South Africa so why not get ahead of the curve? I suggest you stop bitching and get with the program.
Hollywood’s current obsession with remakes, prequels and sequel are really an admission as to when the best movies were made and to when the best creative minds in entertainment worked. Hint: that time isn’t now
The thumbnail alone is the stuff of nightmares.
As distracting as lot of weird race and gender stuff I think a lot of the worst stuff is the stuff you don't see.
The mistreatment of writers and directors who actually have skill and experience over preformative diversity. The terrible creative decisions and missed opportunities behind the scenes done under the guise of sensitivity. The ideological gatekeeping that happens behind the scenes.
Please make a video on that subject. Otherwise, that's not the subject here.
Some tinfoil hat youtuber told me that it was a ploy to boot out the seasoned veteran writers and hire in random newbies under the guise of diversty, to weaken the profession so they execs will have an easier time replacing them later with AI. Probably nuts, but this reminded me of that.
@@bjornbrynjuson4380 Interesting theory.
@@bjornbrynjuson4380 i mean, does sound plausible, considering big corporations are having layoffs here and there right now
Absolutely excellent video essay. To me the most alarming part is the 'identity as morality' or more so 'marginalization as inherently good' piece -- and furthermore that future generations of writers are being maleducated by these pop culture examples, because we'll lose the very concept of heroics. Echo is a great example ... she is an indigenous, female, amputee ...there for three layers of 'goodness' ... yet the character herself is morally dubious at best. Ta Nehisi coates himself once wrote that he realized in his youth that 'a boot on your neck is not automatically ennobling.' I could almost stand all the identity politics bullshit if it were even half as intelligent or thoughtful as it pretends to be. At this stage, it's just naked, childish, petulance.
"a boot on your neck is not automatically ennobling"
Quite.
You need only look at what Israel has become to see how quickly a recently oppressed people can turn into a nation of callous genocide condoning monsters.
Less than a century after the pogroms of Odessa and the holocaust of Nazi Germany they had already become everything they have lambasted over and over through every kind of screen and literary medium during the last 50 years.
A boot on their necks apparently bred only homicidal resentment, taken out on the first available neighbors once they were given a patch of land to call their own and the perpetual military support to keep it.
"Marginalisation as inherently good" is similar to the underpinning grounds for siezing the means of production in marxist theory. The oppressed are always morally superior to the oppressor, therefore revolt is morally imperative, regardless of the outcome. It's the same core idea rearing it's head in a different (non-economic) context.
When skin color and political views are more important then talent and vision you get modern entertainment
Just because Glenda is called the Good Witch doesnt mean she was morally superior. Ive not seen Wicked, so I dont know the characterization of those characters, but I do remember the original movie.
Glenda lies to Dorothy and even commits theft upon first meeting her, all in an effort to sabotage or outright kill her remaining rival great powers of Oz. Dorothy had just inadvertently killed the Witch of the East. The Witch of the West comes to reclaim the property of her dead sister. As next of kin, the shoes belong to West. Glenda magics them away and onto Dorothy, commiting theft. This sets up conflict between the newcommer and West. Then Glenda lies to Dorothy and tells her to travel to Emerald City in order to get home. This sets up a conflict between her and the Wizard.
Glenda knows full well how to send Dorothy home. She does it real quick at the end, once she is rid of her two political rivals, courtesy of her unwitting pawn from out of town. Glenda played the game ruthlessly well. Dont let names fool you. You dont really think North Korea is a democracy or a republic, do you, despite being formally called the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea.
"but I do remember the original movie"
The Technicolor movie of Wizard of Oz was a poor representation of L Frank Baum's actual work.
Speaking of which LFB was literally so anti native American that he advocated for their complete genocide after Wounded Knee - needless to say I don't think that anyone should be touching his crap.
Glenda knew that if the witch possessed the slippers, evil would triumph…it’s like America and the atomic bomb… wear white… but carry a big broom stick.
LOL you had to fire shots at Asians, didn’t you? It’s like we white people can’t help it.
Regarding "Wicked" - take out all the identity politics and you're still left with a mediocre, tedious story at best. "Wicked" is a contrived (and weird) theater play on the Wizard of Oz where the Wicked Witch is cast as a victimized & oppressed person. We've all seen something like this before. I'm sure the movie will be dazzled up with CGI, bloated with dialog then end up on Disney+ a few weeks after it's release.
I'm starting to believe the D.E.I. in movies is simply to divert attention away from the fact the entertainment industry only knows how to produce stale, formulaic garbage.
This is the core of the problem though.
They use identity politics and other such contemporary flim flam as a substitute for actual substance in plot complexity and character progression.
You can still make a film relevant to modern times without completely excising all substance from it.
To me the MCU was already leaning toward a substance devoid cookie cutter production line well before Endgame happened.
Doctor Strange is basically just Iron Man with a different plot driving element.
ie magic and time stone vs tech and arc reactor.
Strange even wears the Eye of Agamotto in the exact same place on his chest as the arc reactor.
Actually, it will end up on Peacock since it is a Universal picture.
I like the way you think.
I can't believe anyone would complain about Cynthia Erivo in a musical. She's amazing. She stands out in a field of amazing singers
Lea Salonga is an amazing singer. And she has naturally straight black hair. But we aren’t casting an Asian woman in that role.
@@brootal4234 Lea Salonga is a legend but at this point is probably too old to play the role in a movie. She could get away with performing it on stage where age isn't as visible. Cynthia Erivo is a perfect choice, but regarding an Asian being cast in the role, I doubt theater fans would complain much if Rachelle Ann Go were cast in that role
Good riddance Hollywood. Hello Asia in general and India's action extravaganza in particular.
Bollywood's main focus is about the audience & that's why it and the media coming from Korea & Japan is becoming more popular worldwide.
@@insertnamehere5809 Ditto Japanese and other Asian Manga and Anime is popular in the west while the woke-trashed DC, Marvel and others are being rejected by most comic-book readers.
Mad over someone playing a GREEN character 😂
you’re so embarrassing…the witch is green. GREEN.
I find these pointed and eloquently explained outlooks to be incredibly on point.
They need to race and gender swap Goofy, otherwise the "inclusiveness" argument goes out the window.
I hear Garfield is going to be cast as Goofy.
Do they normally race swap black characters?
“Concupiscent”. Not a word you hear or read very often. Thank you for not dumbing down your content.
Ah yes because i wanna hear words that are used by people writing essays to work on getting their bachelor degrees on a sophisticated social media look youtube. Brilliant. I concour lol
The best thing about current day Hollywood is the content it provides RUclips creators. Nothing else. That’s we lived to see such times…
... Whenever I hear the word culture… I release the safety-catch of my Browning!
I don't always quote Nazis, but when I do, I look that shit up on wikipedia!-)
Hanns Johst (8 July 1890 - 23 November 1978) was a German poet and playwright, directly aligned with Nazi philosophy, as a member of the officially approved writers’ organisations in the Third Reich. The statement “When I hear the word culture, I reach for my gun”, variously misattributed to Heinrich Himmler, Joseph Goebbels and Hermann Göring, was in fact a corrupted version of a line in his play Schlageter.
THIEMANN: That's for damned sure! Barbed wire is barbed wire! I know what I'm up against.... No rose without a thorn!... And the last thing I'll stand for is ideas to get the better of me! I know that rubbish from '18 ..., fraternity, equality, ..., freedom ..., beauty and dignity! You gotta use the right bait to hook 'em. And then, you're right in the middle of a parley and they say: Hands up! You're disarmed..., you republican voting swine!-No, let 'em keep their good distance with their whole ideological kettle of fish ... I shoot with live ammunition!
When I hear the word culture ..., I release the safety on my Browning!"
That's reach for my gun friend, our guy the source of that quote didn't use a Browning
"When I hear the word culture, I reach for my gun" You basically quoted Goebbels
@@Userfriendly1977 either that was his joke which is pretty funny or that was not his joke which would be even funnier
@@KatanamasterV I don't always quote Nazis, but when I do, I look that shit up on wikipedia!-)
Hanns Johst (8 July 1890 - 23 November 1978) was a German poet and playwright, directly aligned with Nazi philosophy, as a member of the officially approved writers’ organisations in the Third Reich. The statement “When I hear the word culture, I reach for my gun”, variously misattributed to Heinrich Himmler, Joseph Goebbels and Hermann Göring, was in fact a corrupted version of a line in his play Schlageter.
THIEMANN: That's for damned sure! Barbed wire is barbed wire! I know what I'm up against.... No rose without a thorn!... And the last thing I'll stand for is ideas to get the better of me! I know that rubbish from '18 ..., fraternity, equality, ..., freedom ..., beauty and dignity! You gotta use the right bait to hook 'em. And then, you're right in the middle of a parley and they say: Hands up! You're disarmed..., you republican voting swine!-No, let 'em keep their good distance with their whole ideological kettle of fish ... I shoot with live ammunition!
When I hear the word culture ..., I release the safety on my Browning!"
@@Userfriendly1977 I don't always quote Nazis, but when I do, I look that shit up on wikipedia!-)
Hanns Johst (8 July 1890 - 23 November 1978) was a German poet and playwright, directly aligned with Nazi philosophy, as a member of the officially approved writers’ organisations in the Third Reich. The statement “When I hear the word culture, I reach for my gun”, variously misattributed to Heinrich Himmler, Joseph Goebbels and Hermann Göring, was in fact a corrupted version of a line in his play Schlageter.
THIEMANN: That's for damned sure! Barbed wire is barbed wire! I know what I'm up against.... No rose without a thorn!... And the last thing I'll stand for is ideas to get the better of me! I know that rubbish from '18 ..., fraternity, equality, ..., freedom ..., beauty and dignity! You gotta use the right bait to hook 'em. And then, you're right in the middle of a parley and they say: Hands up! You're disarmed..., you republican voting swine!-No, let 'em keep their good distance with their whole ideological kettle of fish ... I shoot with live ammunition!
When I hear the word culture ..., I release the safety on my Browning!"
When i was a little boy we learned in school we may look different, but in reality we where all just as good and on the inside quite similar, now, some 60 years later i learn this is totally wrong and everyone should be ranked in value according to exactly what i was told did not matter, think it was a painter in Austria with same thoughts, and i don't think it ended very well
I really must thank the current tendencies in filmed entertainment, be it movies or television, for being so utterly unwatchable that I've rediscovered my love of litterature. I haven't read this many books in ages!
8:37 angrboda is an EXAMPLE of why this shit is BAD. Her presence in the story was useless and irrelevant, yet the story forces her in to a large extent. Her character in mythology was described as WHITE AS WINTER. since all giantesses were white as winter, and had some affinity for storms. Angrboda herself had a temper SOOOOO bad that it actually conjured storms. Everywhere she went a snow storm followed her, yet in the game they made her this loveable cutesy girl because it would be problematic to make a bipoc bad.
There is a tempest in me
I disagree about the character of Elphaba "acting white" what does that even mean? Also, technically, in terms of the story of Wicked Elphaba and her family aren't even human, they're Munchkins (they live in and are related to prominent families in Munchkinland) so they can't even be referred to as "white". Black woman can be "Karens" too but I wouldn't even describe her behavior as such.
At this point the only possibility is to start your own independent entertainment studio.
With RUclips if it wasn't overcommercialized and owned by the Left it would have been possible but it's clearly too late now if you want to make any money off of it
How is this vidoe so painfully funny, well written and accurate all at the same time 😂
It ain’t east being green…
…I mean black.
She’s still green 😂
Not "is" it "has" ruined entertainment and is STILL continuing the destruction
I had to look concupiscent up. And add it to my keyboard. Well played, Mr Chamberlain.
Uh, sorry I’m not too deep in your video but…it’s a woman painted green. I don’t understand the problem, I’m sure plenty of black women have played elphaba on stage so I don’t think this is new.
Well as a man who isn't black because Sleepy Joe said I wasn't because I didn't vote for him, I lovve these vids bruh.
Some weird woke and misandric things are happening in the USA. I am glad that I live in the part of Europe that usually is called "based". We don't have that kind of thing here, blackwashing and general misandry.
...yet
@@policesquad As things are, it never will be the same as in some other places.
Not Hungary by any chance? A friend working there was pleased to see the media and society in general in eastern Europe is refreshingly free of woke-trashing or The Message. But the EU and left-wing politicians are trying to force their globalist Neo-Marxist societal agenda into eastern Europe. Hope you manage to resist it.
Backwashing? She’s a green character 😂
8:39 This would apply to the Elphaba in Wicked too.
What?
@@tyleredwards9799 See the timestamp
"don't reimagine just imagine, respect historical context, respect Source material, develop a diversity of entertainment not a homogeneous approach to all entertainment, make the audience stirred by your imagination and your characters not by great heavy shovel Falls of testimony to Progressive ideas."
"I'm not racist--I don't see color" and also "Why do they cast all these people of color in these roles?"
because of early identity politics Nick Fury was changed to a black man in an animated series that had a resemblance to Samuel Jackson who found out and said it's all good if he gets the role of the live action character.
You are quite literally wrong.
Wow deep 😂
oh are you thinking about the comic arc where the original nick fury became a watcher/observer or what ever those bald aliens are called, and the Samual Jackson version took his place? if so its still the sameidentity politics bs.@@Exzimius
Ultimate Avengers comic had sam Jackson looking Nick Fury, then a cartoon based on the comic that came out was super successful convinced studios Avengers movie would work.
Comic artist based Avengers drawings on actors and originally wanted to draw captain America black but decided to make Nick black instead so he used Sam as a reference.
the only diffence between then and now is that they new they should and did respect established characters unlike today with suicide squad killed the justice league. @@Exzimius
When I saw the black woman Viking march out as a warrior leader in Vikings, I stopped the show and said, DONE. Nothing to do with racism, it is just so stupid it takes you right out of the story. The people in the time period in that region had probably never even seen a black person, much less somehow had a woman chief (which was very rare for Vikings.)
Even the shield maidens did not actively fight that much.
What's funny is that both 1958's "The Vikings" (a fun movie with Kirk Douglas and Jamie Lee Curtis's parents) and 1978's "The Norseman" (an awful kiddie matinee flick) had black characters among their Vikings. In the '58 film, it was Trinidad born Edric Connor playing a Moor/African who had been enslaved and in the 1978 film it was former NFL star Deacon Jones playing a former African captive turned warrior. Both of which were more believable than that eyerolling black woman "jarl" on "Vikings: Valhalla." She was clearly cast to click-off diversity boxes and for "Girl Powah/Yass Queen, Slay" reasons. The ham-handed forced diversity is just so blatant.
@@mkeogh76 WHITE FRAGILITY IS MY FAVOURITE THING THATS BEING EXPOSD IN USA RIGHT NOW. YOU CAN'T HANDLE THAT THEY'RE CASTING TALENT AND NOT BASED ON NEPOTISM OR WHITE BIAS.
Yeah, it made absolutely no sense. It would’ve been like seeing Martin Luther King Jr being played by Seth Rogen.
@@brootal4234 You have a small dick, I believe?
When it’s a fictional character I, for the most part, don’t really care but when they start casting every other race under the planet except for Caucasian for historical figures who are known to be white then it really irks me
Well, Denzel is now playing Hannibal Barca
And a black Aragorn in a lotr card game.
Great video, we are so sickkkk and tirrrred of this bs. It’s plain to see, it makes no money and doesn’t satisfy or entertain anyone. What the actual f*ck is going on?
Essentially, cultural Marxist indoctrination via the Long March Into the Institutions. The products of 'woke' universities - particularly feminist women - infiltrated the entertainment business and are now showrunners in most of the big media franchises. Without a root and branch cull of the ideology 'this bs' continues unless the studios and TV companies go bankrupt.
THE MESSAGE…
Identity politics coming precisely from those uncapable of creating anything just for the sake of defile and destroy what forces of good created.
Meritocracy is archaic. Now if you scream loud enough, you get to be anything
This is spot on ! Congrats !
Perfect, concise analysis.
Absolutely nailed it
So wearing green face is ok now.
I always wondered if the raceswap is that was done during the 80s and 90s helped open the doors for how uncontrollable the raceswap and Genderswap that is being done now.
It doesn't matter if Elphaba is green.
I mean wasn't whitewashing huge In the 80s and 90s...
Race swap? She’s green. Who is she race swapping with, the jolly green giant? 😂
A few hours after that terrible trailer played i saw a Twitter post complaining that the witch is a black woman.
You can't make this up
Cause those are the actual racists. They even bother hiding it anymore. While I agree this movie looks like it has issues, but casting a black woman as the green witch is NOT one of them.
It ruins everything. That is its purpose.
Or your'e just getting a wakeup a=call and realising the world doesn't revolve around white people. Sorry but this casting reflects the real talent around here and whites are not talented. They get cast because go their skin color. Can Sydney Sweeney act. No. Can Selena Gomez sing. No.
Her character is green. Just like Gamora in GOTG. Big deal.
So basically identity politics is having minorities in movies.
One correction i would make. Nick Fury was skin changed in the comics before Jackson played him in the movies. However he did look like Jackson which is probably why the producers thought to hire him.