Such a shame how Britains seaside towns have ended up. I used to go to Jaywick many years ago when I was a child and it was lovely. I guess foreign holidays killed the income of these places and lack of money and investment has had a major effect.
Thankyou for the comment. I still feel this place has a future as an artists colony or something it`s just about knocking peoples heads together and getting the UK government to care
@@WorldlyInAction you won't ever get any government to care, but the idea that a kind of bohemian art community or just plain ordinary people coming together in a collective could have some legs. My only doubt would be long time survival against rising sea levels
@@markdonovan1540 I don’t disagree. If you wait for governments to do something sensible, you will die of old age. Seaside resorts were an invention of the last 2 hundred years; from fishing town to large infrastructures which are no longer required by the population. No community has a divine right to be survive - think of everything from Cornish tin mine communities to rural villages to coal towns to naval dockyards towns. They have to be relevant to the current time. I’ve been going to Deal in Kent for 60 years and remember when it was bustling with Marines and colliery workers. Both of these “industries” went and the town is a shadow of what it was. I really hope it survives but so much has closed down. It’s evolution; nobody said it had to suit everyone.
I don’t think it’s solely ‘the peoples fault for being poor’ as you state. Have you asked the council to ever tidy something up before? They’ve been neglected LIKE THE REST OF THIS not Great Britain. I live in a seaside town with a mayor that’s not native?! Plenty of immigration claims being pushed through no doubt,property deals that favour ‘her friends’ are all obviously being done. A new mosque is in the pipeline aswell. Cant have the illegal immigrants not being able to pray right? Better not offend them you know. ID BE HAPPY TO HEAR THAT PUTINS DONE WHAT HE SAID HED DO TO THIS CRAPPY LITTLE ISRAELI SUBSIDIARY THAT IS BRITAIN. SET OFF ONE UNDER WATER BOMB AND SEND A TIDAL WAVE OVER US. START AGAIN. I HATE THIS COUNTRY
@@WorldlyInAction Talk to some residents about cleaning things up and if enough people volunteer, ask the council for permission/information about getting authorised to clean this stuff yourselves. If no-one volunteers, then you know the people there are a lost cause. If people do volunteer, you can be the start of a positive cycle of improvement.
It was once a very respectable holiday retreat. Back in the 1920's you could buy a plot of land for about £25 and build a little chalet. Close to the sea with lovely sandy beaches...beautiful.
@@ltj18taylor73 It's only scary when filmmakers show parts owned by the council due for demolition..NEVER show the better parts.. I retired here on a cold damp January in 2004 after selling my family home we owned for 25 years previous, purchased 2 1/2 plots, extended my once small bungalow, and have both a front door road entrance and a gated entrance to my rear yard and landrover sized carport.. Would I move back to the madness of what is now East London? you got to be joking I`m here till I die, loved being retired here, lots of space, good neighbours, mostly retirees, am 75 now, listen to the waves on our fantastic beaches and go - AHHH..
@@ianburit3705 you are right about the cherry picking for shock value. I see the same shocking photos of derelict, condemned buildings in American cities that no one even goes near being photoshopped and used by media types to decry the perils of capitalism. Well said.
I would rather live in Jaywick than a high rise council flat in London. If you started filming on a south london estate your camera would disappear in minutes
Martin ryder London is a beautiful city yes there's parts. Violence is everywhere evern in these small town drugs gang bring violence. But when it comes to London there's no place l love to live. DR Johnson said if any man is tired of London he tired of life. My reply is l never get tired of London and I never get tired of life Tony marlowe.
It’s such a shame because if this place was cleaned up I would happily rent one of those chalets to live in and make it really nice. Always wanted to live by the sea.
Essex is where my ancestors come from. l live in Australia 4th generation. Over here the prospective councils would go around the streets and pick up junk a couple of times a year with trucks and men. The residents would heap up their unwanted items in piles on the nature strips and that was taken to the local tip. l am not sure if they still do it, but that way people got to live in clean tidy areas.The service was free. lt seems to me that the local councils and greedy government departments don't care about the well being of their people and probably are just waiting for the quaint little homes to fall down so they can make a massive land grab for the developers. These little old shacks are peoples homes, some probably have lived in all their lives, there's a real history about them.The greedy don't see poor people as having feelings or roots to an area, they just count everything in dollars now. lf something doesn't change and we don't consider our people and give them decent treatment the world will further go to hell, God Help Us.
There's a book written by Jacob Rees Moggs father in the 1990's "The Sovereign Individual" and in the book it clearly lays out a plan for the Conservatives... Basically avoid paying tax at all costs, get yourself rich enough to be able to buy your way out of any situation, because paying no taxes will result in the total break down of society, but do we care... No, because everyone has the opportunity to become a multi-millionaire and a sovereign individual - if you don't that's your problem. They live by this set of values and that have no interest in the lives of the likes of normal people, they despise normal people. You only have to read the book 'Britannia Unchained' by Liz Truss, Kwarzi Karteng, Pritt Paten and Dominic Raab to see what they think of us and yet so many of us either don't vote or like the people that voted for Brexit and the 'Red Wall' voters - they vote for the Tories.
Ive got an idea. Rehouse the good people of Jaywick in nice hotels and put the pampered "no-one can touch us" ILLEGAL immigrants in these Jaywick homes. Seems fair to me
In the 50's my great uncle had a small chalet here. No mains water just a stand pipe you had to carry water back from, and only a chemical toilet. My family lived in London so to travel to it, it was a motorbike, a hire car or public transport. The roads and paths look to be refurbished and in very good condition to be fair, the roads are named after old car brands.
It always amazes me how quickly any residential area can go downhill.Sometimes all it takes is one boarded up house or a bad family to move to the street and that sets up a chain of events
It still is 😊 the summers are a bustle full of locals and happy holiday makers. I'm on the part of the video where someone comes out and talks to him. I'd be telling you to get lost to be honest!!! Lol
Seems to be the way most British seaside towns have gone. Sometimes they look nice on the outside, but beneath the surface, there's poverty, drugs and social issues in general. Apparently Scarborough is one of them. You'd have no idea from a tourist's point of view though. I only found out through something a resident posted on Craptowns years ago. Then you have seaside towns like Blackpool where you can tell they're not doing too good as soon as you drive into them.
I was on a break in Cornwall last year and visited one of the popular harbour towns (can't remember name). Bobbing boats, quaint little cottages, souvenir shops, nice bars, fish and chips and packed with tourists. I decided to go walkabout and walked inland about a mile or so. And the contrast was incredible. Streets of prefab houses in terrible state, old cars that will never drive again parked in front gardens, but it was the rubbish, it was everywhere. Really really bad and the locals that i saw looked so dejected. It was quite a sight.
This is not a true representation of Jaywick and Clacton. This video he has gone to the worst run down road or 2. So much regeneration has happened around here recently. It's getting better everyday.
I’ve lived here for over 30 years , lovely place , nice people, wouldn’t want to live anywhere else, fed up with negative comments, no worse than any other parts of the country 🤬🤬
In the Summer you can take a walk down Jaywick and everyone is pleasent, the wall at which you started off at is a lovely spot. It looks miserable because of the time of year and with investment Jaywick will become better but the sea is a worry down there so investors tend to worry about what may happen due to floods.
When I was kid, I had an auntie who lived in one of a number of terraced houses in an old area of Norwich city. I think it was around 1959 when all the residents were relocated to a new council estate and the old places demolished. Our family visited and stayed at the old place on several occasions, and I can say they were far better than what I'm looking at here. Too much focus on foreign immigrants and almost none on the traditional residents it would seem.
@@anthonyfoulkes1868 You can't be serious! Have you seen what's coming across the channel to set up house near you. You'll notice they're nearly all young men of military service age. The absence of women, children and elderly suggest they're not fleeing from persecution otherwise they would have stopped at any one of many European countries. They pay thousands of pounds to come across in dinghies at some risk as opposed to a cheap air fare and claiming asylum in a legitimate manner for reasons one can only suspect are for nefarious purposes.
I was in Jaywick today, 28/12/22. They are building a big community area as you first drive in, but people are still living in the rundown shacks in poverty. I know it's a start, but peoples housing conditions should be a first prority before this community area.
In the 50's my mum took us for a holiday to jaywick.the beds in the bungalow were crawling with red mites I think I was villas usual with to solitude and I was sat in a deckchaire covered cover in a blanket with a umbrella and sunglasse.
Lots of beautiful bungalows down the flowers roads, and Broadway, and the whole Jaywick village, Crossways is very nice too. Brooklands people fall on harder times, and that's ok. This wonderful community of Jaywick and Clacton has a beating heart and wonderful people within it. The coast is beautiful. I loved growing up in the surrounding villages and coming to Clacton at the weekends. Hanging at the beach, pier nights. I love Clactons history too. The pier and arcades have had alot of investment in recent years and it looks glorious. Constantly bringing spotlight on a few bad roads, where the properties are owned by mostly cheap landlords who don't live here and rent to desperate people doing no repairs - isn't helping the people that live here really. Alot of the owned are taken care off. I grew up around here, and I've travelled around the world and europe, lived abroad. And let me say there is good and bad everywhere, what matters is the heart of a community and Jaywick and Clacton have heart.
I walked past Jaywick a few years ago and did not feel safe. It is an absolute disgrace that this level of poverty is allowed to exist in the UK in 2022.
Where I live SE London they build all the time which has now made it very over crowded. And still continue to build. Despite the fact our GP surgery has over 10k of patients so cant get an appointment. Trains tubes are so squashed in morning you cant get on them. Over crowdrd London. Yet places like this could be built up and look so nice. If even to take the pressure from over crowded city of London. I am sure people would like to live there if more homes were built there. And on top of the sea too.
I think the residents have got dishearted and lost their self respect. The council have an obligation to clear fly tips and collect unwanted goods if its Co ordinated. Somethings not right, is it a no go area?
The area of dereliction is quite small and concentrated. I felt safe at all times but must admit am 6 ft 4 tall and quite intimidating to some people lol
Yes one of the main issues with Brooklands is keeping warm in the winter because of lack of insulation in the chalets.In summer of course not an issue and a lovely beach there 🙂
I'm in Australia suburb called Davoren Park south Australia...one of Australia's lowest social economic areas...and I'd say wow to jaywick. It's a roof over your head with million dollar views 👍
I remember seaside holidays in Jaywick in chalets when I was a child .England is being ruined with migration which is changing the demographics of the English way of life. I live in South Australia by the sea ,a beautiful place .
Jaywick is a poor area but it’s not rough as some people think. There’s not much violent crime there. It’s a nice place. I can see it from my upstairs window
Not letting any more immigrants in might go a long way to helping the housing crisis. Presently there are plans to build 2000 new houses on the green belt land behind my home in 2025 because of this..I’ve lived in this same area for 30 odd years..sadly I’m thinking of moving on.
The entire country is going to be one big council estate eventually. There's pictures of Mexico where you can't see any nature whatsoever, it's just rows upon rows of houses as far as the eye can see. That's England's future.
Immigrants are the problem? Give your head a wobble.A huge ammount of our British people have leant to live off the system.To blame immigration is pretty rediculous.
i really struggle how local councils and the government can let areas end up this way ,there local council seemed to have gave up and thats wrong ,we all have a right to live in houses that are up to a certain standard and these houses are not and why are the council letting private landlord abuse there tenants providing sub standard housing ,its a crime and a disgrace .
I struggle too since the actual expenditure here of keeping litter and clearing up flytipping here is surely not that much compared with say building a new road for example
this is just on the outskirts of Jaywick on Sands, its separate from the rest of proper village which is nice. This old Brooklands area should be demolished it was only meant as holiday chalets in the 1930s
My nan had a caravan in Seawick and me and my friends when we stayed there used to walk to clacton for the day along the seawall and pass through here. It was nothing like this - odd plot would need a bit of work but it had a holiday feel to it. Such a shame to see it like this.
These were all holiday chalets back in the day, then people started to live in them permanently. The council are to blame really because they should of banned living in them and only allowed holidays which they were designed for. Butlins going really killed the local economy and it’s never been the same ever since. Investing in a location in Clacton or around Jaywick for artists would definitely be the way forward for sure. Maybe in the future as temperatures are now rising people will look to stay for holidays at home and this will help rejuvenate the old seaside towns. I used to go Walton on the naze as a kid and then memories I cherish as such happier times.
Thanks for sharing this part of the English seaside area. I just wonder what the local council spends the resident's tax payers money on, judging from everything unattended to.
Jaywick is complicated by the fact the roads in the chalet estate are not adopted highway meaning the local council has no obligation to maintain them. It seems private landlords hold sway there-the few remaining owner occupiers struggling to hang on whilst no questions asked landlordsd rent property to anybody who inevitably trash the property and leave all their rubbish in the street. I'm sure there is a sense of community there amongst some but only some sensitive community planning by the council linked with a willingness to use their CPO powers to acquire and demolish the lot-jerry built shoddy temporary chalets never intended for more than a 30 year life are now unsuitable for modern requirements. The council should work in partnership with a private developer and social housing provider to find a nearby site , not subject to the extreme coastal flooding the current site is, to develop to modern standards with a mix of social rented and low cost home ownership options for those residents who want to stay inthe area. Then return the site to a coastal marshland wild life site which is what it was until this shanty town was built under the woeful watch of the local council back in the 1930s? I suspect the Council-the wierdly named dingly dellish Tendring-are too scared to use their powers to CPO and either incompetent or too afraid to use their enforcement powers-at no cost to them-to ensure planning, housing and environmental standards are maintained to the level that most other local authorities in the country seem to manage despite being in far more disadvantaged areas. Their masterplan seems to be waste zero resources on this place and await the next inevitable tidal deluge to force the matter in the next 20 years or so. And sod the decent residents who still try to cling on to a semblance of normal life.
@@WorldlyInAction There's a RUclips channel called Turdtowns that ranks the worst places to live in certain counties and it was that bad it got its own video. But it wasn't detailed like your Jaywick one. Council estate built on a mountain where they put all the worst people in the area. Looks horrific!
Interestingly, there are some really nice properties in your footage but equally some rough looking ones too. Question: why is there so much rubbish dumped? Is there not a local disposal site? Location looks lovely; Right by the coast and flat.
My Nan and Grandad lived on Coppins Road in Clacton from the 30's to the early 80's. Grandad was a sign-writer. He worked on the busses and the pier. We visited a couple of times a year. I have fond memories of Jaywick. I imagined that that was where the elves (that worked at Butlin's) lived. It turns out that Butlin's never hired elves. Such is the imagination of a ten year old.
I live near jaywick in clacton and what your showing me honeslty feels like I’m watching a zombie apocalypse vlog after several years of the outbreak happening, I even used to live in jaywick about 10 years ago and I’ve never seen it like this
Tragic what it's turned into. I had some great holidays there as a kid. It could easily be like Dungeness is now quirky place where people want to live. Right now it's almost a dumping ground to keep "unwanted" people out of sight.
Looks a great place tol live - appeals more to those beings who have seen the world! Life is what you make it.....prefer it more than Nassua , Bali or Briguton! Just needs elbow greae, work and restoration and the right people will comme back!
Main issue here is housing not up to modern standards. If every chalet was rebuilt in an energy efficient way like for like this could become a desirable retirement community for sure
We have to remember that the state of these areas does not just happen. People make a mess, whether it is council owned or private. We cannot blame the council or government for the mess. It does need clearing but again it costs and who will pay the Bill. Not the people who make the mess. It's a shame as I used to enjoy a little holiday in Jaywick, many many years ago.
I agree it costs but but main point is compared to the bigger picture of a council budget surely the cost of clear up is a very small percentage for such a large environmental gain?
I didn't think it be like that in your country the house need fixing up bad ..in my country it bad but not as bad as there ...I thought the house be nice and clean live near the beaches there ..thank you for sharing have a great day..
Wherever you go in the world you find parts of the area run down. He is just focusing on the negative parts. Jaywick has some lovely parts as well. Especially in the summer. The sea front is nice, my mum moved to Clacton on sea year's ago, me and my kids visited a lot when they were a lot younger. Try living in London! You will see how quick you would be running back to Jaywick! 🤭
I intend to do another video looking at the good parts. Its a fair comment though that the bad parts shouldn`t be this way in 21st Britain so it is correct to highlight them
It is so hard to see how places that should be booming for residences on the coast can be run down. Governments no longer care as long as their gain from politics makes them rich. If this keeps up we will see riots I fear.
What an absolute disgrace. You mentioned rats, well in my opinion the rats are the two legged ones. The people who live there should be ashamed of themselves. There's no excuse for living in such squaller. If we all had the same mindset as the people living there, the whole of the UK would look like a landfill site.
When I was doing community service we arrived at exactly the same graveyard every week. We would then cut 2mm off the grass. Some were even not actually cutting anything and the blades raised up on purpose just so they looked like they were ‘doing it’. Point I’m making is why can’t CS be utilised in this area. Tidy it up a bit?
Very good walk around video. It's interesting how this place came to be like this, but as bad as things are, it does have a certain charm about it. I'd also much prefer to live here than in one of those nightmare American hellhole cities.
I wish I could do something for them but not rich enough to make jaywick years ago when I was on holiday there 😢Ps Thanks for letting me be at Jaywick whilst being at home 1👍I love the chalets they have oddly worldly character.
So sad, we used to stay in jaywick when I was a kid. Can still feel the wooden boards under my feet if I close my eyes. Lovely place in the late 60s early 70s...
a seaside town and ive only seen 1 seagull , even theyve fucked off , amazing how ppl can adapt to a shithole like this, a lick of paint and its good too go
@@AgeShallNotWearyThem no, but the people who installed their CCTV looking out to the road presumably think the same. Personally I believe in live and let live, I just thought it was ironic that he remarked on it while filming their homes.
People are always quick to be horrible and negative but at the end of the day some people have to take what they can get / afford. As long as there is a roof over their heads in winter ect and out of the elements as well as possible I'd imagine they take it over homelessness.
I hear your comments regarding the proliferation of fly tipping on the properties you filmed. You should know that there is no statutory requirement for the local council to clear up such mess. It always remains the responsibility of the property owner to clear up the mess not the public purse.
Having worked there under gov improvement housing schemes what I find totally amazing....and this is because im a northerner, the price of those chalets , some going for over £100, 000 and rent of up to £700 a month, baffles me how most people survive in the south.
It's all to do with the return on investment I suppose .The lha housing benefit rate will be alot more than some northern areas so 700 is affordable even on universal credit.The landlord looks at the yield 8.5 per cent and knows occupation will be easy so the price of 100k is ok to him
One day, in the future, most British people will be living like that. As living standards are 'levelled up', and the Middle Classes get destroyed with the Working Classes, and most people won't be able to afford a property, so it'll be living in housing association properties, making housing trusts rich, and you poorer. Oh, and don't hurt the environment either. Council's and central government have plenty dosh to give when it comes to highly expensive schemes to do with nature. Just enjoy having nothing, and live like a King...
@@WorldlyInAction Sounds very Communist. But thinking about it, both parties are one and the same. Both are progressive, and both preach the same policies, but under different colours of course. I don't think the UN will be complaining anytime soon. All Government's adhere to the sustainable objectives set out by this body. So, it's a race to the bottom to reduce living standards, and destroy progressive industry. Thatcher started that with the coal industry and industrial sector in the 1980's. I think it was called de-industralisation. Every concessive UK government has done it since.
@Charliegirl, me too! We holidayed in nearby Clacton, one of the best holidays I ever had.I always had a dream that Jaywick was this magical place. This dereliction can be turned around in a decade.Just needs the will and investment. A thriving colony for artists would be a great idea as someone has suggested.It could become a very desirable place to live.
I think one of the worst things people in Jaywick can have is that if they become house proud and end up looking aftrer it themselves The landlords dont give a shit, if the person from Jaywick fixes it up and looks after it, they don't get a house at the end of it. They're just doing the landlords work for free and the landlord can sell the property anytime they wanted because it's in better condition than the rest. It's quite easy to see why it's a run down place when nobodywho is meant to own the property or look after the area gives a shit. I'm sure the area could be made nice to some degree, but why bother. Most of the people there seem happy enough
Such a shame how Britains seaside towns have ended up. I used to go to Jaywick many years ago when I was a child and it was lovely. I guess foreign holidays killed the income of these places and lack of money and investment has had a major effect.
Thankyou for the comment. I still feel this place has a future as an artists colony or something it`s just about knocking peoples heads together and getting the UK government to care
@@WorldlyInAction you won't ever get any government to care, but the idea that a kind of bohemian art community or just plain ordinary people coming together in a collective could have some legs. My only doubt would be long time survival against rising sea levels
@@WorldlyInAction who owns the land? the commercial buildings?
@@markdonovan1540 I don’t disagree. If you wait for governments to do something sensible, you will die of old age. Seaside resorts were an invention of the last 2 hundred years; from fishing town to large infrastructures which are no longer required by the population. No community has a divine right to be survive - think of everything from Cornish tin mine communities to rural villages to coal towns to naval dockyards towns. They have to be relevant to the current time. I’ve been going to Deal in Kent for 60 years and remember when it was bustling with Marines and colliery workers. Both of these “industries” went and the town is a shadow of what it was. I really hope it survives but so much has closed down. It’s evolution; nobody said it had to suit everyone.
@@theofarmmanager267 you make a good point. We'll just have to wait and see. I'll be long gone by then anyway...
Brooklands was run down for years but it was clean and tidy. It's become like this because of the people that live there.
Unfortunately so but surely the Government and council could do more?
I don’t think it’s solely ‘the peoples fault for being poor’ as you state.
Have you asked the council to ever tidy something up before?
They’ve been neglected LIKE THE REST OF THIS not Great Britain.
I live in a seaside town with a mayor that’s not native?!
Plenty of immigration claims being pushed through no doubt,property deals that favour ‘her friends’ are all obviously being done. A new mosque is in the pipeline aswell. Cant have the illegal immigrants not being able to pray right? Better not offend them you know.
ID BE HAPPY TO HEAR THAT PUTINS DONE WHAT HE SAID HED DO TO THIS CRAPPY LITTLE ISRAELI SUBSIDIARY THAT IS BRITAIN.
SET OFF ONE UNDER WATER BOMB AND SEND A TIDAL WAVE OVER US.
START AGAIN.
I HATE THIS COUNTRY
And the people coming from outide jaywick dumping their rubbish
@@WorldlyInAction Talk to some residents about cleaning things up and if enough people volunteer, ask the council for permission/information about getting authorised to clean this stuff yourselves. If no-one volunteers, then you know the people there are a lost cause. If people do volunteer, you can be the start of a positive cycle of improvement.
100% gypsies there? Gotta be
It was once a very respectable holiday retreat. Back in the 1920's you could buy a plot of land for about £25 and build a little chalet. Close to the sea with lovely sandy beaches...beautiful.
I was going to buy a little house in Jaywick for 40k backin 2019 and do it up.
Glad I didn't now it looks a scary place to live. sadly
Interesting. Thankyou for your comment
@@ltj18taylor73 It's only scary when filmmakers show parts owned by the council due for demolition..NEVER show the better parts.. I retired here on a cold damp January in 2004 after selling my family home we owned for 25 years previous, purchased 2 1/2 plots, extended my once small bungalow, and have both a front door road entrance and a gated entrance to my rear yard and landrover sized carport.. Would I move back to the madness of what is now East London? you got to be joking I`m here till I die, loved being retired here, lots of space, good neighbours, mostly retirees, am 75 now, listen to the waves on our fantastic beaches and go - AHHH..
@@ltj18taylor73 well done not to move there
@@ianburit3705 you are right about the cherry picking for shock value. I see the same shocking photos of derelict, condemned buildings in American cities that no one even goes near being photoshopped and used by media types to decry the perils of capitalism. Well said.
I would rather live in Jaywick than a high rise council flat in London. If you started filming on a south london estate your camera would disappear in minutes
Yes there are more dangerous areas for sure
Kip
Really
Not everywhere, some parts are being gentrified. Wouldn't want to love here.
Martin ryder London is a beautiful city yes there's parts. Violence is everywhere evern in these small town drugs gang bring violence. But when it comes to London there's no place l love to live.
DR Johnson said if any man is tired of London he tired of life. My reply is l never get tired of London and I never get tired of life Tony marlowe.
It’s such a shame because if this place was cleaned up I would happily rent one of those chalets to live in and make it really nice. Always wanted to live by the sea.
I was thinking the same thing x
Agree it would be lovely
Yeah at some point some gov will have to invest in it. Must be nice though to live in a quiet area. Def no issues of over tourism I suppose!!
Had great holidays there back in the 70s
Me too 👍👍
Went there on holiday back in the 1970s and it was a nice place back then and it's so sad too see how much its declined.
Yep I bet must be really sad
That beach area and houses on the front could be so so nice. Its crazy how we've let an area go to rack and ruin like that.
Essex is where my ancestors come from. l live in Australia 4th generation. Over here the prospective councils would go around the streets and pick up junk a couple of times a year with trucks and men. The residents would heap up their unwanted items in piles on the nature strips and that was taken to the local tip. l am not sure if they still do it, but that way people got to live in clean tidy areas.The service was free. lt seems to me that the local councils and greedy government departments don't care about the well being of their people and probably are just waiting for the quaint little homes to fall down so they can make a massive land grab for the developers. These little old shacks are peoples homes, some probably have lived in all their lives, there's a real history about them.The greedy don't see poor people as having feelings or roots to an area, they just count everything in dollars now. lf something doesn't change and we don't consider our people and give them decent treatment the world will further go to hell, God Help Us.
Great comment
There's a book written by Jacob Rees Moggs father in the 1990's "The Sovereign Individual" and in the book it clearly lays out a plan for the Conservatives... Basically avoid paying tax at all costs, get yourself rich enough to be able to buy your way out of any situation, because paying no taxes will result in the total break down of society, but do we care... No, because everyone has the opportunity to become a multi-millionaire and a sovereign individual - if you don't that's your problem. They live by this set of values and that have no interest in the lives of the likes of normal people, they despise normal people. You only have to read the book 'Britannia Unchained' by Liz Truss, Kwarzi Karteng, Pritt Paten and Dominic Raab to see what they think of us and yet so many of us either don't vote or like the people that voted for Brexit and the 'Red Wall' voters - they vote for the Tories.
Ive got an idea. Rehouse the good people of Jaywick in nice hotels and put the pampered "no-one can touch us" ILLEGAL immigrants in these Jaywick homes. Seems fair to me
In the 50's my great uncle had a small chalet here. No mains water just a stand pipe you had to carry water back from, and only a chemical toilet. My family lived in London so to travel to it, it was a motorbike, a hire car or public transport. The roads and paths look to be refurbished and in very good condition to be fair, the roads are named after old car brands.
Thanks for your comment .Yes and Brooklands after the race track
When I first went there on holiday in the 80s, it was a great place to be on a warm sunny summers day.
It always amazes me how quickly any residential area can go downhill.Sometimes all it takes is one boarded up house or a bad family to move to the street and that sets up a chain of events
It still is 😊 the summers are a bustle full of locals and happy holiday makers.
I'm on the part of the video where someone comes out and talks to him. I'd be telling you to get lost to be honest!!! Lol
I see a lot of hidden beauty there ! Thankyou for the walkabout 👍🏻💙
Welcome
Seems to be the way most British seaside towns have gone. Sometimes they look nice on the outside, but beneath the surface, there's poverty, drugs and social issues in general. Apparently Scarborough is one of them. You'd have no idea from a tourist's point of view though. I only found out through something a resident posted on Craptowns years ago. Then you have seaside towns like Blackpool where you can tell they're not doing too good as soon as you drive into them.
Yep they lost their reason to be when car ownership took off together with foreign holidays
I was on a break in Cornwall last year and visited one of the popular harbour towns (can't remember name). Bobbing boats, quaint little cottages, souvenir shops, nice bars, fish and chips and packed with tourists. I decided to go walkabout and walked inland about a mile or so. And the contrast was incredible. Streets of prefab houses in terrible state, old cars that will never drive again parked in front gardens, but it was the rubbish, it was everywhere. Really really bad and the locals that i saw looked so dejected. It was quite a sight.
This is not a true representation of Jaywick and Clacton. This video he has gone to the worst run down road or 2. So much regeneration has happened around here recently. It's getting better everyday.
my friend used to come on her holidays to Jay wick many years ago, she loved it x
Pleased to hear that must have been nice
Thanks so much for the tour mate, real eye opener that
Glad you liked thanks
I’ve lived here for over 30 years , lovely place , nice people, wouldn’t want to live anywhere else, fed up with negative comments, no worse than any other parts of the country 🤬🤬
I didn`t dislike it at all. I think I could get used to living there tbh
@@WorldlyInAction sorry I wasn’t pointing the finger at you by any means. But people comment negative remarks. Just because they can.
In the Summer you can take a walk down Jaywick and everyone is pleasent, the wall at which you started off at is a lovely spot.
It looks miserable because of the time of year and with investment Jaywick will become better but the sea is a worry down there so investors tend to worry about what may happen due to floods.
When I was kid, I had an auntie who lived in one of a number of terraced houses in an old area of Norwich city. I think it was around 1959 when all the residents were relocated to a new council estate and the old places demolished. Our family visited and stayed at the old place on several occasions, and I can say they were far better than what I'm looking at here. Too much focus on foreign immigrants and almost none on the traditional residents it would seem.
Thankyou for that comment. Interesting
Just leave immigrants alone, please! They havent done anything and just want a better life!
@@anthonyfoulkes1868 You can't be serious! Have you seen what's coming across the channel to set up house near you. You'll notice they're nearly all young men of military service age. The absence of women, children and elderly suggest they're not fleeing from persecution otherwise they would have stopped at any one of many European countries.
They pay thousands of pounds to come across in dinghies at some risk as opposed to a cheap air fare and claiming asylum in a legitimate manner for reasons one can only suspect are for nefarious purposes.
@@anthonyfoulkes1868 So do the indigenous people
@@anthonyfoulkes1868 so do I...prick.
Thankyou for showing us around Essex seaside place
Most welcome
I was in Jaywick today, 28/12/22. They are building a big community area as you first drive in, but people are still living in the rundown shacks in poverty. I know it's a start, but peoples housing conditions should be a first prority before this community area.
That`s the thing I don`t get
My sister lives in Jaywick and loves it.
At least it is not overrun with economic migrants.
The jewel in the crown of the county of Essex
My Nan and Grandad had a bungalow down Humber Avenue in the 50’s I spent happy times there as a child.
So pleased to hear your story
Funny, our grandparents at Jaywick were called Nanny & Grandad.
In the 50's my mum took us for a holiday to jaywick.the beds in the bungalow were crawling with red mites I think I was villas usual with to solitude and I was sat in a deckchaire covered cover in a blanket with a umbrella and sunglasse.
Lots of beautiful bungalows down the flowers roads, and Broadway, and the whole Jaywick village, Crossways is very nice too. Brooklands people fall on harder times, and that's ok. This wonderful community of Jaywick and Clacton has a beating heart and wonderful people within it. The coast is beautiful. I loved growing up in the surrounding villages and coming to Clacton at the weekends. Hanging at the beach, pier nights. I love Clactons history too. The pier and arcades have had alot of investment in recent years and it looks glorious. Constantly bringing spotlight on a few bad roads, where the properties are owned by mostly cheap landlords who don't live here and rent to desperate people doing no repairs - isn't helping the people that live here really. Alot of the owned are taken care off.
I grew up around here, and I've travelled around the world and europe, lived abroad. And let me say there is good and bad everywhere, what matters is the heart of a community and Jaywick and Clacton have heart.
Lovely comment thankyou
Very kind. I always say that Essex people have a deserved sense of paranoia. It seems they are unfairly hated.
I walked past Jaywick a few years ago and did not feel safe. It is an absolute disgrace that this level of poverty is allowed to exist in the UK in 2022.
Maybe the people should stop voting conservatives then
It was a mistake to allow people to live long-term in holiday shacks.
@@yootaobe5536 It was the same through Labour governments.
It is a disgrace .It really doesn`t have to be this way
Its not poverty everyone is on the sick. My aunt nan and uncle live in jaywick and you NEVER see the nicer parts on the net x
Where I live SE London they build all the time which has now made it very over crowded. And still continue to build. Despite the fact our GP surgery has over 10k of patients so cant get an appointment. Trains tubes are so squashed in morning you cant get on them. Over crowdrd London. Yet places like this could be built up and look so nice. If even to take the pressure from over crowded city of London. I am sure people would like to live there if more homes were built there. And on top of the sea too.
I think the residents have got dishearted and lost their self respect. The council have an obligation to clear fly tips and collect unwanted goods if its Co ordinated. Somethings not right, is it a no go area?
The area of dereliction is quite small and concentrated. I felt safe at all times but must admit am 6 ft 4 tall and quite intimidating to some people lol
Size don't mean shit lol
Back in the 60's and early 70's we had many a happy holiday in Jaywick, clean, safe and beautiful beaches
Such a shame, the council needs to invest
To be fair Jaywick and Clacton are lovely in the summer .
Yes one of the main issues with Brooklands is keeping warm in the winter because of lack of insulation in the chalets.In summer of course not an issue and a lovely beach there 🙂
I too spent great family holidays at Jaywick Sands in the 1950s. Lovely little chalets. Free roaming kids mixing. Such a shame. What happened?
Foreign holidays diverted funds from the area is one thing
no industry, no jobs, everything imported from china
I remember Jaywick market, very busy then!
I'm in Australia suburb called Davoren Park south Australia...one of Australia's lowest social economic areas...and I'd say wow to jaywick. It's a roof over your head with million dollar views 👍
I live in Australia in Melbourne in a suburb called Armadale will think myself lucky!
What`s it like there?
@@WorldlyInAction Davoren Park has a bad reputation...I wouldn't live anywhere else 😄
I remember seaside holidays in Jaywick in chalets when I was a child .England is being ruined with migration which is changing the demographics of the English way of life. I live in South Australia by the sea ,a beautiful place .
@@patking754 Maybe in Southern England but the North and Scotland has always had poverty and violence. Nothing to do with immigration.
Jaywick is a poor area but it’s not rough as some people think. There’s not much violent crime there. It’s a nice place. I can see it from my upstairs window
I didn`t find it that rough just neglected tbh
Not letting any more immigrants in might go a long way to helping the housing crisis. Presently there are plans to build 2000 new houses on the green belt land behind my home in 2025 because of this..I’ve lived in this same area for 30 odd years..sadly I’m thinking of moving on.
It`s just a never ending story in the UK of a swelling population and a lack of decent housing
The entire country is going to be one big council estate eventually. There's pictures of Mexico where you can't see any nature whatsoever, it's just rows upon rows of houses as far as the eye can see. That's England's future.
Immigrants are the problem? Give your head a wobble.A huge ammount of our British people have leant to live off the system.To blame immigration is pretty rediculous.
Totally agree
@@WorldlyInAction to many people in this country that shouldn't be here
i really struggle how local councils and the government can let areas end up this way ,there local council seemed to have gave up and thats wrong ,we all have a right to live in houses that are up to a certain standard and these houses are not and why are the council letting private landlord abuse there tenants providing sub standard housing ,its a crime and a disgrace .
I struggle too since the actual expenditure here of keeping litter and clearing up flytipping here is surely not that much compared with say building a new road for example
Great video squire, Excellent commentary. New sub here.
Thankyou very much .Will be doing more for sure.
this is just on the outskirts of Jaywick on Sands, its separate from the rest of proper village which is nice. This old Brooklands area should be demolished it was only meant as holiday chalets in the 1930s
Yes thankyou for that. I was new to the area. I want to go back and do another video on the nice side
@@WorldlyInAction the Tudor gardens area has some beautiful new houses and bungalows, lovely gardens, bit pricey though
@@spuddy4845 Cool thanks for that
My nan had a caravan in Seawick and me and my friends when we stayed there used to walk to clacton for the day along the seawall and pass through here. It was nothing like this - odd plot would need a bit of work but it had a holiday feel to it. Such a shame to see it like this.
It has such potential to be a good place again
These were all holiday chalets back in the day, then people started to live in them permanently. The council are to blame really because they should of banned living in them and only allowed holidays which they were designed for. Butlins going really killed the local economy and it’s never been the same ever since. Investing in a location in Clacton or around Jaywick for artists would definitely be the way forward for sure. Maybe in the future as temperatures are now rising people will look to stay for holidays at home and this will help rejuvenate the old seaside towns. I used to go Walton on the naze as a kid and then memories I cherish as such happier times.
Council and Goverment . Government fund councils alot.
Artists yes. Piss artists, no
@@version736ha2 😂😂😂quality comment. Pmsl
@@TONE11111 hooray
Temperatures are now rising.! FFS stop believing all that shit that's pumped out of that TV.its a scam,wake up!
I remember the huge holes on the promenade from the 1953 flood
Wow thanks for sharing that👍
Thanks for sharing this part of the English seaside area. I just wonder what the local council spends the resident's tax payers money on, judging from everything unattended to.
Good question!
Why do the residents bother to pay full council tax .
What a lovely place put the migrants here 😂
This could be a lovely place it's been abandoned by authority and people left to live in these conditions sad
There are also nice parts of Jaywick too. Any where you go there will always be somewhere thats run down.
Yep there are agree
Shame..if only the council put money into the place..
The place also needs outside investors, otherwise the Council will just be patching this place up, until it eventually become a ghost town.
Jaywick is complicated by the fact the roads in the chalet estate are not adopted highway meaning the local council has no obligation to maintain them. It seems private landlords hold sway there-the few remaining owner occupiers struggling to hang on whilst no questions asked landlordsd rent property to anybody who inevitably trash the property and leave all their rubbish in the street. I'm sure there is a sense of community there amongst some but only some sensitive community planning by the council linked with a willingness to use their CPO powers to acquire and demolish the lot-jerry built shoddy temporary chalets never intended for more than a 30 year life are now unsuitable for modern requirements. The council should work in partnership with a private developer and social housing provider to find a nearby site , not subject to the extreme coastal flooding the current site is, to develop to modern standards with a mix of social rented and low cost home ownership options for those residents who want to stay inthe area. Then return the site to a coastal marshland wild life site which is what it was until this shanty town was built under the woeful watch of the local council back in the 1930s?
I suspect the Council-the wierdly named dingly dellish Tendring-are too scared to use their powers to CPO and either incompetent or too afraid to use their enforcement powers-at no cost to them-to ensure planning, housing and environmental standards are maintained to the level that most other local authorities in the country seem to manage despite being in far more disadvantaged areas. Their masterplan seems to be waste zero resources on this place and await the next inevitable tidal deluge to force the matter in the next 20 years or so. And sod the decent residents who still try to cling on to a semblance of normal life.
Can`t the council introduce selective licensing in the area?
I wouldn’t mind living in a bungalow there near the sea .
The beach is wonderful
You really wouldn’t. It’s worse than Southend where I live and that’s grim
Noticed a heating oil tank in the video, surely a place with that many residents isn’t off-grid?!
No its not off grid but some places maybe not connected to gas network not uncommon in UK
The town had plenty of potential. Beautiful waterside
Definitely
Potential was the first thing that popped in my head too
Would you do a video about Penrhys in Wales?
Is that place particularly bad? Would love to looking at the map can see in South Wales.
@@WorldlyInAction There's a RUclips channel called Turdtowns that ranks the worst places to live in certain counties and it was that bad it got its own video. But it wasn't detailed like your Jaywick one. Council estate built on a mountain where they put all the worst people in the area. Looks horrific!
This is Canada as well so sad that this is happening all over the world
not everywhere believe me come to more civilized countries like Poland, people live in real houses clean streets .
@@rafar4653 hahahaha 🤣
Interestingly, there are some really nice properties in your footage but equally some rough looking ones too.
Question: why is there so much rubbish dumped? Is there not a local disposal site?
Location looks lovely; Right by the coast and flat.
You have to have a car to take stuff up a local disposal site. Many people on Government benefits simply don`t have the money to own one so fly tip
My Nan and Grandad lived on Coppins Road in Clacton from the 30's to the early 80's. Grandad was a sign-writer. He worked on the busses and the pier. We visited a couple of times a year. I have fond memories of Jaywick. I imagined that that was where the elves (that worked at Butlin's) lived. It turns out that Butlin's never hired elves. Such is the imagination of a ten year old.
That`s a great story thankyou.
My great uncle lived in Clacton. Fond memories.
I live near jaywick in clacton and what your showing me honeslty feels like I’m watching a zombie apocalypse vlog after several years of the outbreak happening, I even used to live in jaywick about 10 years ago and I’ve never seen it like this
I’m thankful we still have natural beauties like Devon,Cornwall,Lake District and the highlands etc
There are so many fantastic places in the UK
Tragic what it's turned into. I had some great holidays there as a kid.
It could easily be like Dungeness is now quirky place where people want to live. Right now it's almost a dumping ground to keep "unwanted" people out of sight.
No shops?
There are some convenience stores , arcades , takeaway a bit further down and a pub called the 'never say die' .....
It was nice ONCE just like the rest of Great Britain was
It must have been lovely there in the Days
28:38 used to be a nice clean cafe and very popular with everyone. Now it's just a closed down? building with a few Black garage style doors.
Our childhood with our parents went to jaywick for a week holidays every year in 1960until 1968 and the place was forced closed down!!!! Very sad !
It must have been so different then?
If you compare this with deprived areas in the US, give me Jaywick anytime.
Yep I bet the number of gunshots heard per period of time is less than 1 per cent of many US neighbourhoods
Looks a great place tol live - appeals more to those beings who have seen the world! Life is what you make it.....prefer it more than Nassua , Bali or Briguton! Just needs elbow greae, work and restoration and the right people will comme back!
Main issue here is housing not up to modern standards. If every chalet was rebuilt in an energy efficient way like for like this could become a desirable retirement community for sure
I agree, it does look like a potentially great place to live. And right next to the sea!
Saying that can't the council atleast make the empty properties safe?
We have to remember that the state of these areas does not just happen. People make a mess, whether it is council owned or private. We cannot blame the council or government for the mess. It does need clearing but again it costs and who will pay the Bill. Not the people who make the mess. It's a shame as I used to enjoy a little holiday in Jaywick, many many years ago.
I agree it costs but but main point is compared to the bigger picture of a council budget surely the cost of clear up is a very small percentage for such a large environmental gain?
Most of Jaywick is owned by private landlords
I didn't think it be like that in your country the house need fixing up bad ..in my country it bad but not as bad as there ...I thought the house be nice and clean live near the beaches there ..thank you for sharing have a great day..
Not too bad? The beach at Jaywick is amazing! :)
Definitely could get used to living next to it
Really really happy i moved to New Zealand, gorgous clean place,
Yes I have been to New Zealand I like it there
Wherever you go in the world you find parts of the area run down. He is just focusing on the negative parts.
Jaywick has some lovely parts as well.
Especially in the summer.
The sea front is nice, my mum moved to Clacton on sea year's ago, me and my kids visited a lot when they were a lot younger.
Try living in London!
You will see how quick you would be running back to Jaywick! 🤭
I intend to do another video looking at the good parts. Its a fair comment though that the bad parts shouldn`t be this way in 21st Britain so it is correct to highlight them
@@WorldlyInAction That is good ☺️, looking forward to watching it!
Around 6:30 is actually occupied
Thanks for the info
As the old saying goes: It's the Pig Which Makes the Sty...
Much of the cleaning up would cost nothing but time.
That`s what I don`t get the budget to do so small for the gain
15:05…could you imagine living next to that?!?🤢🤮
Imagine how quickly it attracts vermin to nest
It is so hard to see how places that should be booming for residences on the coast can be run down.
Governments no longer care as long as their gain from politics makes them rich.
If this keeps up we will see riots I fear.
What an absolute disgrace. You mentioned rats, well in my opinion the rats are the two legged ones. The people who live there should be ashamed of themselves. There's no excuse for living in such squaller. If we all had the same mindset as the people living there, the whole of the UK would look like a landfill site.
I hope they're not paying council tax for that mess! Good grief 😮
They will be and over a Thousand a year
When I was doing community service we arrived at exactly the same graveyard every week.
We would then cut 2mm off the grass. Some were even not actually cutting anything and the blades raised up on purpose just so they looked like they were ‘doing it’.
Point I’m making is why can’t CS be utilised in this area.
Tidy it up a bit?
That`s a really good point
Very good walk around video. It's interesting how this place came to be like this, but as bad as things are, it does have a certain charm about it. I'd also much prefer to live here than in one of those nightmare American hellhole cities.
Thankyou so much for the comment I follow your videos with interest too
I wish I could do something for them but not rich enough to make jaywick years ago when I was on holiday there 😢Ps Thanks for letting me be at Jaywick whilst being at home 1👍I love the chalets they have oddly worldly character.
Welcome glad you enjoyed the video
So sad, we used to stay in jaywick when I was a kid. Can still feel the wooden boards under my feet if I close my eyes. Lovely place in the late 60s early 70s...
Thankyou for sharing this
so was Eng
JAYWICK has one of the closest communities..... there are major plans afoot to re develope jaywick.........so please don't run it down.....
Yes there is alot of potential for the place. I do show some of the redevelopment in the video
Great video mate, might be a good idea to come back in the summer n record another video of the beach 👍
That's the plan!
You need to visit TOXTETH, if you want to see deprived , ......do not wear expensive watches, and make sure you protection is up to it
Thankyou. I have been there before but not to do a video. Are there are particular streets to focus on there?
Cant b far but how far is it from south end coz never heard of jaywich
I think its about 60 miles by road
What more could someone want for a lovely beach apartment not far from London,🥴 in general the east side of England is very depressing.
It`s near in distance but the travel time on decrepit infrastructure is awful imao
a seaside town and ive only seen 1 seagull , even theyve fucked off , amazing how ppl can adapt to a shithole like this, a lick of paint and its good too go
16:00, "CCTV... nothing like your privacy being invaded" says the man filming people's home without their knowledge or consent!
Does he need “consent” to film anything he can see from a public space……….?
@@AgeShallNotWearyThem no, but the people who installed their CCTV looking out to the road presumably think the same. Personally I believe in live and let live, I just thought it was ironic that he remarked on it while filming their homes.
I can`t argue with that point can I ?
It does once he bridges the property line
Nice video ....Keep up the good work
Thankyou definitely want to do more
People are always quick to be horrible and negative but at the end of the day some people have to take what they can get / afford. As long as there is a roof over their heads in winter ect and out of the elements as well as possible I'd imagine they take it over homelessness.
Thanks for the comment
I read they had improved it greatly. Hmmm.
I hear your comments regarding the proliferation of fly tipping on the properties you filmed. You should know that there is no statutory requirement for the local council to clear up such mess. It always remains the responsibility of the property owner to clear up the mess not the public purse.
Is that good enough? Surely things can be done better?
i,d just pile everything up that will burn & set fire to it. its the easyest & best way to get rid of rubbish
Who exactly deprived this area?
Tried to explain .Now area full of low income people and some don`t care about the community
Gentrification hasn't taken over all of the south-eastern UK! In a strange way, that's quite comforting.
Of course. If it had where would all the minimum wage or near minimum wage workers live?
Having worked there under gov improvement housing schemes what I find totally amazing....and this is because im a northerner, the price of those chalets , some going for over £100, 000 and rent of up to £700 a month, baffles me how most people survive in the south.
It's all to do with the return on investment I suppose .The lha housing benefit rate will be alot more than some northern areas so 700 is affordable even on universal credit.The landlord looks at the yield 8.5 per cent and knows occupation will be easy so the price of 100k is ok to him
One day, in the future, most British people will be living like that. As living standards are 'levelled up', and the Middle Classes get destroyed with the Working Classes, and most people won't be able to afford a property, so it'll be living in housing association properties, making housing trusts rich, and you poorer. Oh, and don't hurt the environment either. Council's and central government have plenty dosh to give when it comes to highly expensive schemes to do with nature. Just enjoy having nothing, and live like a King...
Does seem to be a trend I agree
@@WorldlyInAction Sounds very Communist. But thinking about it, both parties are one and the same. Both are progressive, and both preach the same policies, but under different colours of course. I don't think the UN will be complaining anytime soon. All Government's adhere to the sustainable objectives set out by this body. So, it's a race to the bottom to reduce living standards, and destroy progressive industry. Thatcher started that with the coal industry and industrial sector in the 1980's. I think it was called de-industralisation. Every concessive UK government has done it since.
Probably true
I like to be optimistic, but right now we are in the shit
I am wondering the prices of them abandoned homes I bet they still worth grands especially the commercial premises.
Was a nice place many years ago
it looks like the council have some interest in jaywick every property has a bin and recycling bin outside of it looks like a private estate
Yeah some especially when collecting council tax
@@WorldlyInAction same as every councul
It's a lovely location l used to dream of living in Jaywick on holiday as a child. What has happened to it!
That`s the answer I`m trying to find in the video. Council mismanagement maybe biggest problem?
@Charliegirl, me too! We holidayed in nearby Clacton, one of the best holidays I ever had.I always had a dream that Jaywick was this magical place. This dereliction can be turned around in a decade.Just needs the will and investment. A thriving colony for artists would be a great idea as someone has suggested.It could become a very desirable place to live.
You won't find out by talking crap about on just what you see and blog
Been spendin' most their lives
Livin' in a fly-tippers paradise
Jaywick has really lovely soft sand beaches
Can`t fault the beach at all was lovely
I think one of the worst things people in Jaywick can have is that if they become house proud and end up looking aftrer it themselves
The landlords dont give a shit, if the person from Jaywick fixes it up and looks after it, they don't get a house at the end of it. They're just doing the landlords work for free and the landlord can sell the property anytime they wanted because it's in better condition than the rest.
It's quite easy to see why it's a run down place when nobodywho is meant to own the property or look after the area gives a shit.
I'm sure the area could be made nice to some degree, but why bother. Most of the people there seem happy enough