THIS is how you practice Aikido! We did this back in the 90's with not only strikes also where your opponent attempts to grab you or other attacks. This type of training will create incredible improvements.
I was wondering when this video was coming. Aikido without Atemi isn’t very combat effective unless your timing is almost super human. None of O’Sensei’s original Yudansha learned Aikido like it’s commonly taught today. They actually learned to strike in those days and were known for it.
Yes PARR53 this has been my stand against Rokas the whole time. Aikido training doesn't need reinventing it needs to return to original training and understanding of training.
as a boxer I really dig how you're using (basically) boxing-type body mechanics, but applying an Aikido slant to it. It seems like the palm strikes play right into your art's style of trying to lace throws and standing submissions (at least that's how I see Aikido, maybe I'm wrong..) I think composure drills with 16oz gloves and standard punching techniques would be a good look too, just to get folks to a point where everything doesnt fall apart if they eat a punch or two.
Thanks Dan, that's exactly what we are showing in this video, glad to know that a trained boxer recognizes the mechanics. We also do some drills and free sparring just like you mentioned with the gloves, here is a sample of that work: ruclips.net/video/4KM3jIYB5Lk/видео.html&lc=z23xgpigayeex5qdmacdp43bqvamu2hceurxqhug5mxw03c010c.1519015171716072
This is great! Boxing to me is the fundamental striking art aikidoka should be learning, understanding, and using its counter movements to add Aikido to. From there you add kicking, shooting/takedowns, and ground fighting. Plug and play from here will make Aikido far more valuable. Great video!
Ma vedi che l aikido in origine possiede tecniche di boxe ok e che quindi gli aikidoka non devono proprio imparare niente dalla boxe perché la conoscono già ok
This is great it makes aikido more effective. Love the concept of striking with heel palms as opposed to fist, and great transition from strike then joint lock with take down.
Ma vedi che l aikido anche se non colpisce con gli atemi è pericoloso perché se fanno sul serio gli aikidoka quando ti fanno le leve articolari allora li ti spezzano le ossa ma avete mai immaginato se gli esercizi che fanno nei video li farebbero sul serio l aikido dpezzerebbe le ossa ok
Striking open hand is smart. My general rule is open hands to the head, closed hands to the body. There are a few times when closed hand to the head is safe such as a vertical fist hook punch because it hand position makes the weaker bones protected in a way they are not when the hand hits horizontal. Another exception would be hammer fist which would be more effective to the head than a knife hand and not be a safety issue for hurting the hand. A downward back fist (show at one point in the video) is also a great closed fist attack that can be done with minimal risk of breaking hand bones. When I trained a varied version of Aikido for 4 years we trained in a similar method defensively. We trained most techniques from realistic strikes, If we didn't move we would get hit when we sped up. On the other hand we didn't have a great attacks with our strikes except for a few that came from ninjutsu.
The first half of the video is an amazing way to train. Well done! May I be so bold as to make a suggestion on your atemis in the second half? I believe Aikido atemis should not be a distraction, while effective, it’s a trick that can be easily learned. An Aikido strike should move uke the direction you want them to go. Kotegaishi , IIkyo should be kidney shots. Iriminage (entry) should be to the back of the neck. Your shoulder did a beautiful atemi to uke’s face at the end! His break fall was stunning. Well done.
Good palm striking techniques and control of the arm during deflections with seamless transition into the grapples without giving up contact. Personally, I found it was easier for myself to apply the same power with less damage to self using palm strikes than fists, particularly for hard targets like wood or steel walls, pillars, poles, etc. The the hard bottom parts of the palm are good contact points. Punches are still good as they give more range and stabbing power when contacting with the knuckles.
Really love what you guys are doing! Good point about the open hands, however I would say that there may also be an appropriate time to strike with a closed fist I.e. if a clean shot to the jaw presents itself. Keep up the good work!
THIS IS PROPER TRAINING!!!!....i was very critical in the beginning because i am aware if how devastating Aikido techniques are over other martial arts....Not saying its the best but more effective in many fight situations.....The problem is though....translating this to the practitioner in a more practical mind set....and silencing the critics that sit and judge instead of participate and understand....You can not grasp Aikido by watching...and i have come to discover....through one of the viewers remarks....You can not be efficient in Aikido or use it to its fullest....if you have no fight experience or training in other Martial Arts....because you learn how better to use the Aikido...because you have a better since of what you are using it for...you know how an opponent truly moves and how blows truly feel and the body is more aware of the importance of reacting properly because it truly knows what will happen if it doesn't.....Aikido prepares highlevel techniques....IMMENSELY.....and adds to and makes one a better fighter...IF YOU ALREADY KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT FIGHTING..but it doesn't prepare a students physical abilities well...if they don't know how to fight....THIS MUST CHANGE IN THE TRAINING !!!
I think you can tell you nailed this one because all the negative comments are pointing out "what ifs" instead of actual issues with the drill/ training.
More people should consider striking with the blades of the forearms, it's basically like hitting with a bat, and can be used offensively or defensively. It can also be thrown from any angle and pretty much hurts wherever it lands.
I apologies for being so harsh in the beginning...your journey exposed Aikido's training mistakes and made us think to what is the real problem an how to make it better...you were brave and honest for putting yourself out there like that....Our instructor GARRIT HAWKINS...let us freestyle and sparr after class to find weakness and improve the techniques...adjusting them to real world situations....So we first learned the power and effectiveness of the Aikido technique...then we were encouraged to adjust it as needed...and kept the traditional flowing movements that deceived ones opponent...keeping them committed to the attack...and boom...Aikido on they ass...it's over....I've beat and humbled several jujitsu and mma opponents...WHO ARE THE LOUDEST CRITICS....until they walk right into an Aikido move that is FOREIGN to them and they are so easily disabled its mindblowing to them....DAN THE WOLFMAN demonstrates this better than anyone...but...if you don't truly understand how a wild fight works and other arts or your skills...and just know Aikido....you are in trouble....THIS MUST CHANGE IN THE TRAINING
Palm strikes are a great training tool and can be effective in the "real" world, but it's equally important to practice with closed fists. "Legal consequences" are the last thing you can afford to think about in a fight and a palm strike is no different than a punch in the eyes' of the law. There is also a subtle, but significant difference in range and forearm alignment between the two approaches. If you're going to bother training in striking (and every Aikidoka should), then learn to do it right. Nothing can end a fight faster than a well placed punch, which makes it better for all parties concerned in the long run. Good ol' fashioned Western Boxing is a GREAT way to learn the fundamentals of striking and associated footwork, and it's an amazing cardiovascular workout, as well.
Interesting, but I would still use punches for straight attacks because those palm strikes are super harsh on your wrists when hitting pads and the bag and eventually your friend's forehead. Just put some mma glove and you are set.
That is why we suggest training the hands to be conditioned to lessen the risk of injury for uke, and not everyone wants or likes to use MMA gloves for training, but it is another option for the ones that do.
Allthetube01 Interesting, but I really dont see how you can condition a joint, but to each their own, if you are happy doing it and not hurting yourself, great!
I have been doing what I show in this video for 8 years now with no injuries, that's how I know it works and the reason I'm suggesting this training method.
its so you dont get sued for assault if you were punch to them instead which can leave more damage... he clearly says this in the video. how are ppl not hearing this lol
I don't think it's specifically said that way, but even if it was, is there a problem in that? Most Aikido schools are terrible at striking. Boxing is probably the best at this area
Boxing is for sure one of the best methods of striking. Even someone like Bruce Lee was heavily influenced by boxing, today boxing skills dominate the striking distance. Nothing wrong with updating your strikes.
Hell, even in Muay Thai we used boxing techniques: it would have been stupid for us not too, really. That said, boxing on it's own isn't ideal for self-defence, so even boxers need to think and adapt their style/training for those scenarios.
Like mentioned in the video, you start with single punches and then build into combinations as you progress. We did not intend to present the whole system in this video, only some basics to build upon.
I agree with previous comment about hitting hard targets with your fists. People need to use their hands the next day. Smashing hands is not a good idea. But this is great basic / 101 stuff for the lower ranks and it seems as though there was a slow increase in speed as ability was learnt. My only suggestion would be to have the attacker pull back his striking hand quicker, especially for higher ranks as they should understand timing and distancing. I would suggest that the higher ranks understand that you cannot think of a technique before it happens, (i.e If he throws a right punch I'll do XYZ technique), but to only take what is given by the opponent and the counter to that, is the technique that is used. Anyway, just my 2 cents and just another opinion on the internet.
Haha I love this! My BJJ coach loves open palm striking. I'm a fan too. Sometimes when I'm not paying attention he'll straight up bitchslap me just because it's funny. It's super fun and safe as far as striking goes!
Most of it is common sense... I was doing this kind of practice way back in the latter 70's 80's and still practice in a similar manner, but cut down the movement to the barest minimum for speed as they are doing in the direct irimi... I leave out the tenkan because it can be too slow for someone who is well balanced and quick in reaction...
We are not re-branding anything, open palm striking has been used for a very long time, from Pankration to Sumo and many other styles, we are just showing the application of this striking method within an Aikido context. And there is no lack of sparring, a whole system can't be shown in a 5 minute video, this is just an introduction and some drills to develop the striking basics. You can watch a bit more of this application in our previous video: ruclips.net/video/4KM3jIYB5Lk/видео.html&lc=z23xgpigayeex5qdmacdp43bqvamu2hceurxqhug5mxw03c010c.1519015171716072
It's a principle called contouring, using hard to strike soft, and soft to strike hard. So for instance you hit the solar plexus (suigetsu) with the fist, and the head with open palm to cause a percussive effect in the brain. I have studied, practiced and tested this method for years with no injuries.
Well, actually, I’ve taught it for years. That’s the main problem of some confidencial students. This is not how palm works. Just study for a little bit of physical therapy about the wrist, then you will know it. Please.
Eh, did you see Yoel Romero using 52 Blocks against Luke Rockhold last saturday? 52 Blocks is a martial art invented in New York prisons, combining Boxing with hand fighting techniques from traditional martial arts such as Wing Chun and Karate. Dude I went nuts, I knew we'd be seeing these modernized traditional techniques in the elite levels of combat sports eventually, but I thought we were still a few years away. Looks like the revolution is upon us.
It could not daamage the medial carpal bones. have you done punching hard on the makiwara or wall bag full of sand or basketball full of sand? as long as you trained punching in the makiwara or any semi rigid punching bag your hand and fist could be developed for hard impact. If you hit the head it will move in reaction to the punch. It will not become rigid like a wall that could destroy your fist.
Makiwara conditioning is great, and there is no problem in hitting a solid object when it's static, the problem is when you think the object is in a place and there is a sudden shift or movement, just like in a fight. So think about this: Mike Tyson, one of the best and heaviest punchers of all times fractured his metacarpal in a street fight, and he used to hit mitts and heavy bags all the time. Here are two articles about it: www.deseretnews.com/article/15004/TYSON-BREAKS-RIGHT-HAND-IN-STREET-FIGHT.html articles.latimes.com/1988-08-24/sports/sp-897_1_street-fight
The problem with modernizing Aikido is that once you get all the BS out and make it really efficient it would look a lot like MMA or self defense BJJ trained with the skirt pants. So what's the point when we already have MAMA and self defense BJJ?
Physical technique might look similar but there are many other benefits in Aikido that Bjj and MMA don't have, and vice versa. It's a matter of choice. So if you don't think this works or don't like it, just disregard it.
I think you should start thinking of some sort of protection for fists, may be head. In that way You will able to do more MMA-ish... and mb "real". And especialy you shold star thinking about joints protection, becose with grow speed, agressive and presuare there will be MUCH more risk to being injured... Aikidokas always say: "We don't compete cose we can kill each other" and despite the fact that is't kind of bullshit it does't apear without reason. So.... think about protection.
Since we are training for a "real" encounter we suggest conditioning for the hands trough the training method presented in this video, because in the street you are not going to be wearing MMA gloves so you should train the same way, I have been doing this kind of training for 8 years and have no injuries. And I have never met and Aikidoka that says that kind of nonsense, but I'm sure there are some people like that in Aikido and other martial arts unfortunately.
Once the hands are conditioned properly, it's a very safe way to practice striking even using the jab. And the progress should be gradual to avoid injury.
@@MartialArtsJourneyI've just told you that aikido has his own way of delivering atemi and it has nothing to do with the stuff you are showing. More, aikido is a striking art, not grappling or pinning/throwing art. There is a common misconception about this.
Of course I'm mixing, it's called cross training, Adapting the best methodologies of the art that has more experience in the area, in this case boxing for striking. Please show us a video of the "aikido" way to deliver atemi.
Also no one is claiming we are the only ones doing it, we are just showing our work and suggesting a training method, we know there are many other people and styles of Aikido that practice atemi.
Man. Contact karatenerd www.karatebyjesse.com/ and be happy. Put cards on table. Also kindly you go to okinawa to the root. Japan and Okinawa were not so friends referring old history and learning both sides maybe turn you ' completed '.
What I meant is: Do you have proof, or should people just take your word for it? What is your background and experience, do you fight professionally or at amateur level and what is your record, and what solid evidence do you have to support your claims?
Allthetube01 we every you're in the NYC area, give me a holler and stop by my school in Brooklyn. I most definitely can spar with you, actually spar with both of you. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, as you are entitled to yours, but to be defensive, come on.
virtually all wrong..why dont you guys get someone who knows how to strike and teach you the proper ways ? Striking is not Aikido's forte...get a boxer or bare knuckle pugilist..no need to struggle and learn stuff the wrong way.
Ok I will try to answer in brief but let me ask you first: is that striking for street/free fight or for competitive regulated fight like boxing for example ?
Aside from Aikido I have been boxing for 8 years with professional and amateur fighters under a great coach I learned the proper ways, that is why we present the techniques and methods in this video.
again: if you trained with boxer than your video is wrong since boxers do not strike with open hand..nor will ever extend their fingers like that. Boxing uses gloves..so in terms of boxing your video is wrong unless you put wraps and gloves. If you are training for a free fight then you should be using Irish bareknucke pugilism techniques which are not boxing.... So my question again is: are the techniques that you show for free fight or regulated boxing ?
Obviously self defense, not in a sports setting. What is presented here is what we are training, and we find it effective, interesting, and fun. Refer to the end of the video: "If you do not find this suitable, please disregard it"
THIS is how you practice Aikido! We did this back in the 90's with not only strikes also where your opponent attempts to grab you or other attacks. This type of training will create incredible improvements.
This is the first video of yours I genuine liked in last few days I'm glad to see you are finally moving to something more realistic.
Great job!
I was wondering when this video was coming. Aikido without Atemi isn’t very combat effective unless your timing is almost super human. None of O’Sensei’s original Yudansha learned Aikido like it’s commonly taught today. They actually learned to strike in those days and were known for it.
Yes PARR53 this has been my stand against Rokas the whole time. Aikido training doesn't need reinventing it needs to return to original training and understanding of training.
but why is atemi neglected now? just doesnt make sense to me. striking is the yin to the yan of aikido it seems: you need both
@@quickstep2408 the other way around: Yang is striking (explosive, precise) vs. the calm, fluid Yin.
Palm strikes, parries, head movement, and aikido throws! Awesome
WOW this journey! In a few years it's going to be something really special!
as a boxer I really dig how you're using (basically) boxing-type body mechanics, but applying an Aikido slant to it. It seems like the palm strikes play right into your art's style of trying to lace throws and standing submissions (at least that's how I see Aikido, maybe I'm wrong..)
I think composure drills with 16oz gloves and standard punching techniques would be a good look too, just to get folks to a point where everything doesnt fall apart if they eat a punch or two.
Thanks Dan, that's exactly what we are showing in this video, glad to know that a trained boxer recognizes the mechanics.
We also do some drills and free sparring just like you mentioned with the gloves, here is a sample of that work:
ruclips.net/video/4KM3jIYB5Lk/видео.html&lc=z23xgpigayeex5qdmacdp43bqvamu2hceurxqhug5mxw03c010c.1519015171716072
This is great! Boxing to me is the fundamental striking art aikidoka should be learning, understanding, and using its counter movements to add Aikido to. From there you add kicking, shooting/takedowns, and ground fighting. Plug and play from here will make Aikido far more valuable. Great video!
Ma vedi che l aikido in origine possiede tecniche di boxe ok e che quindi gli aikidoka non devono proprio imparare niente dalla boxe perché la conoscono già ok
This is great it makes aikido more effective. Love the concept of striking with heel palms as opposed to fist, and great transition from strike then joint lock with take down.
Ma vedi che l aikido anche se non colpisce con gli atemi è pericoloso perché se fanno sul serio gli aikidoka quando ti fanno le leve articolari allora li ti spezzano le ossa ma avete mai immaginato se gli esercizi che fanno nei video li farebbero sul serio l aikido dpezzerebbe le ossa ok
Striking open hand is smart. My general rule is open hands to the head, closed hands to the body. There are a few times when closed hand to the head is safe such as a vertical fist hook punch because it hand position makes the weaker bones protected in a way they are not when the hand hits horizontal. Another exception would be hammer fist which would be more effective to the head than a knife hand and not be a safety issue for hurting the hand. A downward back fist (show at one point in the video) is also a great closed fist attack that can be done with minimal risk of breaking hand bones. When I trained a varied version of Aikido for 4 years we trained in a similar method defensively. We trained most techniques from realistic strikes, If we didn't move we would get hit when we sped up. On the other hand we didn't have a great attacks with our strikes except for a few that came from ninjutsu.
I think this is a great way to practice.
The first half of the video is an amazing way to train. Well done! May I be so bold as to make a suggestion on your atemis in the second half? I believe Aikido atemis should not be a distraction, while effective, it’s a trick that can be easily learned. An Aikido strike should move uke the direction you want them to go. Kotegaishi , IIkyo should be kidney shots. Iriminage (entry) should be to the back of the neck. Your shoulder did a beautiful atemi to uke’s face at the end! His break fall was stunning. Well done.
Good palm striking techniques and control of the arm during deflections with seamless transition into the grapples without giving up contact.
Personally, I found it was easier for myself to apply the same power with less damage to self using palm strikes than fists, particularly for hard targets like wood or steel walls, pillars, poles, etc. The the hard bottom parts of the palm are good contact points. Punches are still good as they give more range and stabbing power when contacting with the knuckles.
Really love what you guys are doing! Good point about the open hands, however I would say that there may also be an appropriate time to strike with a closed fist I.e. if a clean shot to the jaw presents itself. Keep up the good work!
Finally something I can complement Rokas on. Don't agree with all of it but some good points
Making progress!
THIS IS PROPER TRAINING!!!!....i was very critical in the beginning because i am aware if how devastating Aikido techniques are over other martial arts....Not saying its the best but more effective in many fight situations.....The problem is though....translating this to the practitioner in a more practical mind set....and silencing the critics that sit and judge instead of participate and understand....You can not grasp Aikido by watching...and i have come to discover....through one of the viewers remarks....You can not be efficient in Aikido or use it to its fullest....if you have no fight experience or training in other Martial Arts....because you learn how better to use the Aikido...because you have a better since of what you are using it for...you know how an opponent truly moves and how blows truly feel and the body is more aware of the importance of reacting properly because it truly knows what will happen if it doesn't.....Aikido prepares highlevel techniques....IMMENSELY.....and adds to and makes one a better fighter...IF YOU ALREADY KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT FIGHTING..but it doesn't prepare a students physical abilities well...if they don't know how to fight....THIS MUST CHANGE IN THE TRAINING !!!
I think you can tell you nailed this one because all the negative comments are pointing out "what ifs" instead of actual issues with the drill/ training.
Good point Jacob
This is awesome! Francisco Sensei, thank you!
Thanks for the support, I'm glad you enjoyed our work!
Best regards!
Please have a look at some palm striking techniques from baguazhang I believe this will make your techniques more efficient.
More people should consider striking with the blades of the forearms, it's basically like hitting with a bat, and can be used offensively or defensively. It can also be thrown from any angle and pretty much hurts wherever it lands.
I apologies for being so harsh in the beginning...your journey exposed Aikido's training mistakes and made us think to what is the real problem an how to make it better...you were brave and honest for putting yourself out there like that....Our instructor GARRIT HAWKINS...let us freestyle and sparr after class to find weakness and improve the techniques...adjusting them to real world situations....So we first learned the power and effectiveness of the Aikido technique...then we were encouraged to adjust it as needed...and kept the traditional flowing movements that deceived ones opponent...keeping them committed to the attack...and boom...Aikido on they ass...it's over....I've beat and humbled several jujitsu and mma opponents...WHO ARE THE LOUDEST CRITICS....until they walk right into an Aikido move that is FOREIGN to them and they are so easily disabled its mindblowing to them....DAN THE WOLFMAN demonstrates this better than anyone...but...if you don't truly understand how a wild fight works and other arts or your skills...and just know Aikido....you are in trouble....THIS MUST CHANGE IN THE TRAINING
Thanks Troy. I agree with you
Palm strikes are a great training tool and can be effective in the "real" world, but it's equally important to practice with closed fists. "Legal consequences" are the last thing you can afford to think about in a fight and a palm strike is no different than a punch in the eyes' of the law. There is also a subtle, but significant difference in range and forearm alignment between the two approaches. If you're going to bother training in striking (and every Aikidoka should), then learn to do it right. Nothing can end a fight faster than a well placed punch, which makes it better for all parties concerned in the long run. Good ol' fashioned Western Boxing is a GREAT way to learn the fundamentals of striking and associated footwork, and it's an amazing cardiovascular workout, as well.
nice use of hips in these strikes. like it a lot.
Really good video!
Interesting, but I would still use punches for straight attacks because those palm strikes are super harsh on your wrists when hitting pads and the bag and eventually your friend's forehead. Just put some mma glove and you are set.
That is why we suggest training the hands to be conditioned to lessen the risk of injury for uke, and not everyone wants or likes to use MMA gloves for training, but it is another option for the ones that do.
Allthetube01 Interesting, but I really dont see how you can condition a joint, but to each their own, if you are happy doing it and not hurting yourself, great!
I have been doing what I show in this video for 8 years now with no injuries, that's how I know it works and the reason I'm suggesting this training method.
its so you dont get sued for assault if you were punch to them instead which can leave more damage... he clearly says this in the video. how are ppl not hearing this lol
Muchas gracias por los subtitulos al español.
Good start... Next step would be a randori type training.
Try to get a few hours of conversation with Bas Rutten. He's the best fighter that advocates open palm striking
bas is a beaute
Much better. This is more like it.....
So far, so good. Now you need to validate the approach against a non-compliant opponent.
Well, this whole video basically suggests to go do boxing to have effective striking for aikido.
I don't think it's specifically said that way, but even if it was, is there a problem in that? Most Aikido schools are terrible at striking. Boxing is probably the best at this area
Boxing is for sure one of the best methods of striking. Even someone like Bruce Lee was heavily influenced by boxing, today boxing skills dominate the striking distance. Nothing wrong with updating your strikes.
Hell, even in Muay Thai we used boxing techniques: it would have been stupid for us not too, really. That said, boxing on it's own isn't ideal for self-defence, so even boxers need to think and adapt their style/training for those scenarios.
Cesar Aguirre
Agree with you.
I like this video
Muy Bueno! Saludos!
Awesome. Can we see counter to counter movements, like a regular sparring?
Yes, in future videos to come.
Oss ...
Great stuff
Looks good....what about double punchs?
Like mentioned in the video, you start with single punches and then build into combinations as you progress. We did not intend to present the whole system in this video, only some basics to build upon.
Allthetube01 Cant wait to see the finished system one day....might be useful for law enforcement
So now I wonder Why Rokas never used Atemi in order to try to make the technique work?
I agree with previous comment about hitting hard targets with your fists. People need to use their hands the next day. Smashing hands is not a good idea.
But this is great basic / 101 stuff for the lower ranks and it seems as though there was a slow increase in speed as ability was learnt.
My only suggestion would be to have the attacker pull back his striking hand quicker, especially for higher ranks as they should understand timing and distancing.
I would suggest that the higher ranks understand that you cannot think of a technique before it happens, (i.e If he throws a right punch I'll do XYZ technique), but to only take what is given by the opponent and the counter to that, is the technique that is used.
Anyway, just my 2 cents and just another opinion on the internet.
It's called conditioning and it's done gradually and systematically, I have been doing it this way for 8 years and I'm injury free.
Yep, "gradually and systematically" is the way it is done, BUT I bet the majority of people out there wouldn't know that.
Of course they would not know, that's why people should find and train with a qualified instructor that knows what he is doing.
I prefer catpaw strike rather than open palm strike. it can still poke uke eyes with open palm strike.
very interesting
nice stuff
Haha I love this! My BJJ coach loves open palm striking. I'm a fan too. Sometimes when I'm not paying attention he'll straight up bitchslap me just because it's funny. It's super fun and safe as far as striking goes!
my training in Aikido atemi is more on finger strike and fist strike.
This kind of training is lacking in my dojo :(
Hi Rokas i have a video that I would like your oppion..can i send it via email?
Most of it is common sense... I was doing this kind of practice way back in the latter 70's 80's and still practice in a similar manner, but cut down the movement to the barest minimum for speed as they are doing in the direct irimi... I leave out the tenkan because it can be too slow for someone who is well balanced and quick in reaction...
This is literally just re-branded open handed strikes. But with a lack of free sparring, which will lead to flinching and freezing up.
We are not re-branding anything, open palm striking has been used for a very long time, from Pankration to Sumo and many other styles, we are just showing the application of this striking method within an Aikido context.
And there is no lack of sparring, a whole system can't be shown in a 5 minute video, this is just an introduction and some drills to develop the striking basics.
You can watch a bit more of this application in our previous video:
ruclips.net/video/4KM3jIYB5Lk/видео.html&lc=z23xgpigayeex5qdmacdp43bqvamu2hceurxqhug5mxw03c010c.1519015171716072
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I know what you’re trying to do. But The idea of koryu jutsu is never use a weak part to hit the hard part.
It's a principle called contouring, using hard to strike soft, and soft to strike hard.
So for instance you hit the solar plexus (suigetsu) with the fist, and the head with open palm to cause a percussive effect in the brain.
I have studied, practiced and tested this method for years with no injuries.
Also, the hand will not be weak if it's conditioned trough correct training, like the one we suggest on this video.
Well, actually, I’ve taught it for years. That’s the main problem of some confidencial students. This is not how palm works.
Just study for a little bit of physical therapy about the wrist, then you will know it. Please.
Yes I would like to do more research about it, can you send me a link for a website, book, or video where I can find this information?
Also, what is your experience and trajectory in martial arts and combat sports?
Eh, did you see Yoel Romero using 52 Blocks against Luke Rockhold last saturday? 52 Blocks is a martial art invented in New York prisons, combining Boxing with hand fighting techniques from traditional martial arts such as Wing Chun and Karate. Dude I went nuts, I knew we'd be seeing these modernized traditional techniques in the elite levels of combat sports eventually, but I thought we were still a few years away. Looks like the revolution is upon us.
Research " THE PHILOSOPHY " of JEET KUNE DO
O sensei sais on this book....
Aikido is irimi and ATEMI...
It could not daamage the medial carpal bones. have you done punching hard on the makiwara or wall bag full of sand or basketball full of sand? as long as you trained punching in the makiwara or any semi rigid punching bag your hand and fist could be developed for hard impact. If you hit the head it will move in reaction to the punch. It will not become rigid like a wall that could destroy your fist.
Makiwara conditioning is great, and there is no problem in hitting a solid object when it's static, the problem is when you think the object is in a place and there is a sudden shift or movement, just like in a fight.
So think about this: Mike Tyson, one of the best and heaviest punchers of all times fractured his metacarpal in a street fight, and he used to hit mitts and heavy bags all the time.
Here are two articles about it:
www.deseretnews.com/article/15004/TYSON-BREAKS-RIGHT-HAND-IN-STREET-FIGHT.html
articles.latimes.com/1988-08-24/sports/sp-897_1_street-fight
Aikijujutsu
The problem with modernizing Aikido is that once you get all the BS out and make it really efficient it would look a lot like MMA or self defense BJJ trained with the skirt pants. So what's the point when we already have MAMA and self defense BJJ?
Physical technique might look similar but there are many other benefits in Aikido that Bjj and MMA don't have, and vice versa. It's a matter of choice. So if you don't think this works or don't like it, just disregard it.
What are the many other benefits in Aikido that Bjj and MMA don't have? The theatrics?
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those skirts may have made sense in feodal Japan , but maybe get rid of those if you modernise the sport and wear current clothing instead .
I think you should start thinking of some sort of protection for fists, may be head. In that way You will able to do more MMA-ish... and mb "real". And especialy you shold star thinking about joints protection, becose with grow speed, agressive and presuare there will be MUCH more risk to being injured... Aikidokas always say: "We don't compete cose we can kill each other" and despite the fact that is't kind of bullshit it does't apear without reason. So.... think about protection.
Since we are training for a "real" encounter we suggest conditioning for the hands trough the training method presented in this video, because in the street you are not going to be wearing MMA gloves so you should train the same way, I have been doing this kind of training for 8 years and have no injuries. And I have never met and Aikidoka that says that kind of nonsense, but I'm sure there are some people like that in Aikido and other martial arts unfortunately.
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I don’t think it’s ok to use it like a jab. You might hurt your wrist with the posture you hit in this video.
Once the hands are conditioned properly, it's a very safe way to practice striking even using the jab. And the progress should be gradual to avoid injury.
E questo è molto simile all aikijujutsu ok da dove deriva l aikido ok
Im a black belt at aikido
These aren't aikido atemis.. you are mixing arts... aikido has his own way to deliver atemi.
Did you test it against boxing?
@@MartialArtsJourneyI've just told you that aikido has his own way of delivering atemi and it has nothing to do with the stuff you are showing. More, aikido is a striking art, not grappling or pinning/throwing art. There is a common misconception about this.
Of course I'm mixing, it's called cross training, Adapting the best methodologies of the art that has more experience in the area, in this case boxing for striking. Please show us a video of the "aikido" way to deliver atemi.
@@Allthetube01 if you had understood aiki do you hadn't need mix anything
@@laforjadelser Please show us a video of the "aikido" way to deliver atemi, and show us how well you understood aiki.
That is more or less the same we practise in nishio aikido
Ant not as amodern adaption but that is how its practised since nishio created it
Also no one is claiming we are the only ones doing it, we are just showing our work and suggesting a training method, we know there are many other people and styles of Aikido that practice atemi.
watch?v=7pIut5rFeo4
Atemi...where can I learn aikido with atemi
Man. Contact karatenerd www.karatebyjesse.com/ and be happy. Put cards on table. Also kindly you go to okinawa to the root. Japan and Okinawa were not so friends referring old history and learning both sides maybe turn you ' completed '.
Nothing I see is effective in real world combat and defense.
Can you prove what you say?
Allthetube01 23 years of experience can prove it.
What I meant is: Do you have proof, or should people just take your word for it? What is your background and experience, do you fight professionally or at amateur level and what is your record, and what solid evidence do you have to support your claims?
Right, good point Francisco. All I see as well so far is a "Keyboard warrior" with 23 years of experience :)
Allthetube01 we every you're in the NYC area, give me a holler and stop by my school in Brooklyn. I most definitely can spar with you, actually spar with both of you.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, as you are entitled to yours, but to be defensive, come on.
virtually all wrong..why dont you guys get someone who knows how to strike and teach you the proper ways ?
Striking is not Aikido's forte...get a boxer or bare knuckle pugilist..no need to struggle and learn stuff the wrong way.
What is exactly wrong in your opinion?
Ok I will try to answer in brief but let me ask you first: is that striking for street/free fight or for competitive regulated fight like boxing for example ?
Aside from Aikido I have been boxing for 8 years with professional and amateur fighters under a great coach I learned the proper ways, that is why we present the techniques and methods in this video.
again: if you trained with boxer than your video is wrong since boxers do not strike with open hand..nor will ever extend their fingers like that. Boxing uses gloves..so in terms of boxing your video is wrong unless you put wraps and gloves.
If you are training for a free fight then you should be using Irish bareknucke pugilism techniques which are not boxing....
So my question again is: are the techniques that you show for free fight or regulated boxing ?
Obviously self defense, not in a sports setting.
What is presented here is what we are training, and we find it effective, interesting, and fun. Refer to the end of the video: "If you do not find this suitable, please disregard it"