I am in love with the new update. Especially with the R8's new BOP and its performance at Monza. Right out of the gate with the default aggressive setup , my time dropped from my previous best of 1:48:545 with a setup i paid a real mechanic to do for my driving style, to consistently lapping in the low to mid 1:47s and personal best of 1:47:142... and again WITH DEFAULT AGRESSIVE. That is just mind blowing. The changes might not feel so different on direct drive wheels, but on a G29 it's a completely different story. Now you can finally feel what the tires and suspension are doing. You can feel the actual limit of the grip and not just hope that it will stick. Absolutely mental stuff, but the single best thing is how wet driving works. No longer do you get your dry race setup, throw in wet tires, knock off few degrees of camber and call it a day. Now it's basically an entirely different segment of the game and i would really like to see more online wet race.
Ehy Dave, I just noticed that the FFB indicator while you were driving was really low, not even hitting 50% on those big curbs. Might worth a try to increase the gain in the options, it really changed after the update for me, you can now feel the understeer and oversteer better.
Good spot. Should be plenty higher than that to get the best feel when the grip starts to go. Much higher setting works better for me where I don't mind clipping when smashing a sausage kerb if it means more grip feel when cornering on track.
The bar tells you how much of the available peak force is being used. He has a 27nm DD base, so if the FF bar was hitting close 100% all the time, it would be very very heavy on his hands.
@@eetuli85 it’s not how it works. That bar is dependent to the in game force you set and it should go to the maximum (without going red) in order to feel all the details the ffb has to offer. You’re talking about the overall strength of the wheel base which you can fine tuning in the wheel properties. To prove that, you can reach the red on that bar even if you set the wheel to the lowest force available in the wheel properties (as long as the in game force is high). As always there’s a lot of confusion on this subject and everyone thinks that they’re right 😂
Findings from last night at COTA (probably the worst track in ACC ATM). Pressures don't matter anymore, you can get excellent grip at 28psi and 26, what's more important is core and surfaces temperature. On the McLaren, 85c and above gave great feel, below that point, I could only describe it as "grainy" the tyres, not the ffb. A LOT of default setups are a click or two too soft on the springs and the damper settings need reviewing, heavily, and you can now use sliding to get the heat in the tyres. Oversteer isn't the enemy, and can be used to your advantage. Oh! And bringing cambers down can improve stability a lot. Very impressed with this, hope they keep these additions for AC2
as somebody with a couple thousand hours on ACC and a thousand plus on monza alone i have to say this update feels like a big step in the right direction, the cars now feel like they are riding on rubber with some give in them, the cars now feel like they bounce correctly, no so stiff that when you hit a curb it crashes into it, it feels exaggerated now because of how it was before but i think its about right honestly, as for the curbs on monza, i think everybody knows you cant attack the red sausages, they should upset the car in a major way, but all the other curbs feel on point. i know what you mean about cars losing grip suddenly though but ive always put it down to driver error myself, the cars weight has to be taken into account and ofcourse we know setup is crucial in ACC always has been. Yeh i like this update personally, its a good step forward.
The way it losing grip is not correct, it was absolutely Drifting……. It’s on the correct way but just not realistic at all. Watch any onboard video on a GT3 car, nobody drive like that IRL
@@ryomaprime3130 In real life a GT3 car is set up by professionals absolutely prime, then it’s driven by a professional and when they make a mistake the car can lose grip and spin. There are a million reasons why the car can lose control even when you least expect it, you will not see the car lose control in a straight line right? So there is nothing inherently wrong with the grip in the game, it does not just lose traction at random because if it did then that would be incorrect and likely a bug which would happen even in a straight line. The car loses grip mid corner where there could be many many reasons for it, trail braking can cause it if the rear end is higher than the front causing oversteer, can happen under braking if the BB is unbalanced and too far rearward, can happen from a combination of all those things plus tyres not being the correct pressure. We now know there is a bigger focus on outside middle and inside temps and how the tyres behave when the temperatures between the three are varying to a wide degree. We can’t complain that the car does not behave right until we have a complete and full understanding how to set the car up and how everything you can tweak effects the car and we can’t compare it to real life where the cars are set up by professionals per track and it’s driven by somebody that knows what they are doing. I’ve also never seen anybody complain about the cars in the game losing grip at random without reason who has driven these cars in reality, we have people racing these cars in real life and in sim who have compared the two, think James Baldwin and such. Never complained about randomly losing grip. Now like I said I have lost grip mid corner when I feel like I shouldn’t have, but it does not matter how I feel if something else has contributed to it, even in comparison to other games, just because iracing does not do the same thing does not mean that is correct and this is wrong. I always feel like it’s me that was the reason for a loss of control and I’m no slouch at the game, before patch for example I was a 1.47.5 driver on monza, there were probably 4 or 5 drivers I ever came across in public lobbies that could match or beat me so I know that track extremely well, I don’t think I’ve ever lost control of the car in hundreds of monza races alone where I thought something just wasn’t right. I will say however before the patch I do feel like the tyres were not as rubbery as they could be, everything was too stiff, every bounce felt like a crash into the tarmac, most of which seems to have improved a lot in my opinion…. I’m slower now, setups I had don’t work lol but I already understand why it feels the way it does and I really like it.
@@davecamyt perhaps there is an element of that, its hard to say because what do we as the driver take as loss of rear grip? with a direct drive (i use invicta also) the wheel tends to correct itself when things go sideways so you know when the car is moving out of wack because of that... i guess we could argue that there is not much indication when the car is about to start sliding on the rear but i think the beginning of the slide is more down to pedal input and so i guess thats where rumble motors and buttkickers start to come into play which will begin to activate as soon as the tyre starts losing adhesion to the road. its a difficult one for sure, im not about to sit here and tell anybody what they feel is wrong because we all take different cues from the feedback, i personally... even more so with the new update feel like i can feel the movement of the car more, the wheel correction comes quickly when a loss of traction begins, the wheel also goes light far sooner now when you reach the limit of the front tyres (feels more like F1 actually and its artificial understeer option, im not actually a fan of this but i feel it more now in ACC). So yeh its difficult to know exactly if its just driver mistakes and the game punishing you or if the FFB isnt quite delivering what some people want, which is also likely.
12:02 - interesting… From what point of view? I currently run triple 27s and am considering looking at a single ultrawide instead, but the thing that is stopping me is the loss of vision that triples gives me. So interested to understand what you meant by it being a much better experience on single? Thanks
I dont play ACC anymore but to be fair if your going to hit curbes full on and expect it to react like smooth asphalt I don't understand what your expecting. From my experience hitting a 3in bump in a race car you'll end up with damage and or a crash.
I'm not sure what you mean by the sudden loss of grip thing. Is it overall, or just front or just the back? FWIW, I find ACC default setups have a lot of oversteer compared to what I prefer. Not sure if it's related to that or not. In general, I find ACC has more grip than iRacing, imo. EDIT: i meant to say ACC default setups have a lot of understeer, not oversteer. Sorry.
100%, Iracing is garbage when it comes to grip loss. Everything turns to ice the second a mistake is made or you don’t have optimum grip. Hell even touching someone has both people sliding into space. Not real what so ever
And sometimes in iRacing the car is immediately scrap as soon you touch something. And of course the slippery surfaces… Too unrealistic for me… This is why I always choose ACC over iRacing. iRacing lives from the content and the online events. I personally like the graphic from iRacing too but driving is very special…
@@BingBongYourLife i have, although just the new Porsche and Ferrari. I need to go back and try some of the other cars that I've driven before to see how they compare. It'll be hard, though, since so much has changed with how the setups are done. I had some good ones, too. Kind of disappointed about that tbh
I watched/listened to aris' stream and a few things cought my attention. I love that even though the tyre pressures now are wider, the behavior changes depending how you want the car to be. Closer to 26psi there's more tyre flex and more grip around low speed corners and acceleration zones, closer to 27psi its way more stable on high speed corners which sounds quite realistic to me. He even mix matched tyre pressures between front and rear to show the difference in behavior. The other thing is he said extreme setups may no longer be viable (max camber max negative toe front and rear). Jardier tried it and found out tyres overheated and had a lot of wear, which also sounds realistic to me. I'm looking forward to trying this update although I haven't touched acc in over a month due to work.
Aris said that the cars rely now more on rear grip than before, that was basically front grip. The soft feeling through corners is noticeable. Even in hard braking you can feel the rear moving as if you were in a motoGP (kinda)
New Ferrari at Donnington I've found I can absolutely nail it through the chicane, I've knocked half a second off my best there already. The Coach Dave setup is far better than the aggressive preset and they have been getting the CDA4s into Delta on day of 1.9 release.
set your ingame gain higher. the ffb range you're getting is quashed/compressed. you should aim to barely clip (ffb meter goes red) when hitting a huge kerb. then adjust your gain on the wheelbase to taste setting it up this way will allow you to feel a lot more.
I wouldn't call iRacing trash, I have enjoyed some of the MX-5 racing with other folks even though their MX-5 doesn't feel anything like a real one. I have to say I wasn't impressed at all with iceracing. FFB and the physics are just too game boy for me. Putting a tire on the grass is just so unrealistic and the penalties you get just for touching another car or dropping a wheel off the track in a race is ridiculous. Damn, ever watch a real MX-5 or GT3 race? I'll still take AC, ACC or rF2 any day of the week. I think the 1.9 update feels pretty good. The new DLC is a good value and I don't have to spend money in perpetuity to actually own them.
Valencia (Circuito Ricardo Tormo?) was a track on _Tourist Trophy,_ the motorcycle version of _Gran Turismo 4._ It took me a long time to really get comfortable on it; it's challenging and difficult to get the lap to flow. It seemed to be best suited to "middleweight" bikes, 500, 600, maybe 750 CCs. Since there's only one straight that's not all that long and the rest of it is turns of various radii, including increasing and decreasing, and some of them are off-camber, it favored the lighter, nimbler, lower-powered bikes. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it wasn't the same for cars. That Ferrari 296 is a handsome car. Too bad it sounds like a Datsun B210 with a bad header gasket and a rusted-out muffler.
One of the things I felt was that the cars changed dramatically in terms of stability over kerbs especially which is good. I always felt the Audi was a super stable car if you didn't upset its balance but nowadays I feel he's much more unstable mid corners (this all with default setups of course)
It's much more difficult to go fast with 1.9. for me Imola and the Audi was 1:41.5/8 and with the new update I was lucky to get down into the 1:43's. I also find it to be much more difficult to be consistent. I'm reinstalling all my Fanatec firmware and drivers just to make sure something didn't get messed up with I used DDU yesterday for the new Nvidia driver
it's super normal when there is a massive physics update that you go a lot slower or a lot faster, that doesn't mean you got slower as a driver. it's just the new physics.
That's a matter of time really. I'm not a fast driver by any means but I was struggling to hit 1.49s in Hungary yesterday, but after an hour or so I was hitting high 1.47s low 1.48s
When ACC went from 1.7 to 1.8, all of the feeling seemed to disappear from the DD1. Everyone was claiming, "New detail!" and "FFB feels amazing now!". To me it felt vague and uninteresting. I then spent hour upon hour trying to dial it all in again, trying new firmware, etc. But, of course, old memory gave way to new and I just got used to it eventually. I don't think I ever found a way to get the old FFB feeling back. I've yet to try 1.9. EDIT: Just did a quick 3 lap qualy at monza. Definitely more detail in FFB. Car feels a bit looser but more grip strangely. Better flow through Parabolica for instance but snappy on the edge (Ferrari 488).
@@sneakygloworm I found it to be the exact opposite. Your detail comes from your gain. Then the strength of your FFB comes from your wheel. You can set the gain super high and the FFB on the wheel lower and get a ton of detail. When 1.8 came out I could literally feel when my tires were on the edge of a curb and feel every rumble when I went over curbs. For me that feeling is not gone.. Going over curbs is now a lot less punishing. While this is realistic on some tracks on others it's very unrealistic. Monza for example has the sausage curb on the outside of the last turn. You hit that in real life and odds are you're going to brake your car or wreck. Spa on the other hand has curbs that are much less tame then the game represents. My biggest problem with the update is how the rear tires spin once the car starts to slide. That's not realistic nor is the way the front tires feel they the wheel base. I did figure out it makes a big difference setting the steering lock on both the game and wheel to each individuals cars setting vs setting it at 800-900 and letting the game adjust for each car. I also found the less toe you use the better the car feels. The problem is the stock set ups for the Audi use a lot of toe. .15 on the front and .25 on the back. Those are realistic real life settings. Now they can't be used and must be toned down drastically or the car becomes undrivable. The one thing I've always been good at is consistency. When I look at my motec data from lap to lap it's almost a perfect overlay. Now I have to figure out a way to get more feeling back and figure out how to control a 4 wheel slide/slip angle. A perfect example is Donnington. My 1.8 lap times were consistently 1:27.2-5 and if I make a big mistake 1:28.. I did a 30 min races weekend vs the AI and it took me several laps to get down into the 1:27's. I loved to slide the car around. If I made a mistake I could push it a tad harder later in the lap and make up the time I lost. Now that seems impossible
@@rankisdumb214 my experience was coming directly from 1.8 to 1.9 with the same setups, etc used in 1.8. so I changed nothing to compare the differences. They (for me) were as I stated. There is definitely more detail and less vagueness at wheel center than before. My lap times barely changed. In fact they improved slightly. I haven't changed any wheel settings since a few weeks after 1.8 dropped. So 1.8 was my baseline. 1.9 feels different in a good way to me.
Sadly for ACC drivers the game will soon be mothballed to make way for AC2. Common knowledge that Kunos is allocating more resource to the new title than to ACC.
@@VRS-X-IL would not bank on it, I have heard mixed reviews from the inside. Fingers crossed for AC2. If we can get a sim without the sro track restrictions from kunos again it will be very good.
looking forward to to new Road Sweeper DLC, then we can clean all the diesel off the track, then the cars might actually stick, Asseto Corsa Dwift currently.
I have this game. Ill reinstall and try in VR. I have AC, AMS2, Rfactor 2 and Iracing. I just like to play against AI, and Iracing has the best AI. Unfortunately Rfactor 2 has a horrible AI system because I think is the best simracing feeling.
I agree with this, as I only race against AI as i feel like my lap times are def not up to par an would rather not like to ruin someone elses online experience with my lack of experience.
@@ncokicsi AMS2 has it too! Probably not at the same level of believability as iRacing though. They just tend to spin out occasionally especially when 'under pressure'
@@erkkyy man, you should not worry about that at all. Lfm has a huge ELO range. If you're *slow* but not a menace to others by spinning and losing control all the time, you should try. 90% of the fun of sim racing to me is racing against real people.
Honesty Iracing is trash. Physics are TERRIBLE, the second you lose grip you’re dead. Grass, over steer, brake too hard, touch someone. ACC is superior in every way. And I run Iracing. Only cause ACC is GT3 only. It’s way better but I don’t like racing GT3. But Iracing is beyond dated at this point.
@@mrmidnight32 😂 Just sat "I don't know how to drive so I like to drive something that's sim and arcade mix" all of the elite drivers in the world if they play a sim they have iracing.
@@alkine3011 he's right tho.... the only reason elite IRL drivers use iRacing it's because the online system and the range of cars you can race. ACC is only a GT simulator, not everyone enjoy GT3 or GT4. The physics in ACC are WAY better then iRacing. They both are very fun and they both have some weird happening with the physics, I just feel like iRacing is totally outdated, the FFB is horrible, you need to use irFFB to have it feel kinda decent.
Iracing isn't trash and ACC isn't superior in every way. It's good to have good racing games and even better that we don't all prefer the same, as this keeps up competition. Personally I like both games and after this update will play far more ACC, I was only stating my opinion, not a fact.
Yes In not confident with the cars in ACC anymore. If they try to get the flex in the tyres to solve the bad behavior in the FFB then will that be the limit of Kunos
After 2 years, I was about to give up on ACC, it just wasn't rewarding to drive. I felt like I had to perform a strict recipe of inputs to satisfy the handling monster, and it gave me no sense if I was successful based on the feedback. Only an obvious slide or my delta went backwards told me if I got it right or wrong. But now with 1.9 I feel like I actually have a say in how the car behaves, there's a cause-and-effect element that was missing before. The handling is more communicative and more forgiving, leading to a wider range of behaviours that can be extracted from the car. This update should give me a better chance to improve over time by allowing me to identify what inputs help or hurt my pace. Curb strikes are more realistic, alignment and tire behaviour is more realistic, and the new track is awesome. I'm thrilled with this update. If 1.9 serves as a test bed for AC2 next year, that should be an awesome game!
Have you tried ACCFFB with vJoy? For me, it makes the FFB and the understanding of whats happening with the car so much better. I cant drive ACC without it now and 1.9 has just made it even better. It's still very setup dependent though but it feels like the setup changes actually make sense now.
About Monza, a little too much impact? I mean these are 25cm tall sausages on a 5.5cm car clearance with suspensions moving maybe 5-7cm… I find it pretty realistic. Just take in consideration that a real gt3 and gt4 racing driver in an interview said “you need to cut kerbs to get lap times, but that’s a hit, after a race you have to change all the suspension brackets that are bent, and that’s a 20k€ per race of damage out of your pocket” so… I guess taking these sausages is in reality feasible but pretty damn hard…
1. They're not 25cm tall. 2. They're rounded, which is a completely different thing that hitting a brick. They might unsettle you in real life but as soon as you hit them in ACC you're going off track because the suspension doesn't absorb them at all.
@@ryomaprime3130 gt4 2/3cm higher than gt3s and not my opinion, just reporting what a real gt4 and gt3 driver said talking about acc and kerbs feeling, you literally can take them, it’s a crazy hit, and you destroy suspensions… but hey maybe I’m wrong I haven’t driven one in real life. Did you?
@@danielebrambilla2290 in 1.19 actually they’re not that bad… kinda seen cars flying and spinning 50 times into space for a net code tiny touch, wait not on acc, it was on another simulator 😂
For me it's decent in vr, when you switch off mirrors, volumetric fog and limit amount of visible cars to 14-18 max.. It stutters a bit at first lap with big grids, but after cars separate a bit, it's decent stable 90 fps. CPU with 3D cache eliminates this issue.
@@Woopass90 Good enough for me to not even have a thought of switching to 2D screen. Stable 90 FPS most of the race with fov modded Reverb G2 and 5800x/3800 mhz 16 gb ram/rtx 3080 all oc'd. Matter of setting game and VR resolution right. Cheers.
Have they sorted the triple screen resolution out ? Coz if I can't set it up like AMS2 11850 by 2160 or what ever it is ..Dave mate they can stick acc where the sun dont shine...ps how come you still dont have a motion system?
@@Vanbasten10Gaming If you check the resolution it doesn't go up to 11520×2160 I'm using 3 LG c2 42" screen and if you use AMS2 between the two sims the difference is like night and day and I have looked at the pak files and ended up getting locked out. So that just battered my head all a want is to race so I'll stick with AMS2..😉
As a beginner, I'd advise anyone to steer well clear of ACC as a starter sim. You'll spend hours and hours and hours fighting gross oversteer or understeer or fiddling endlessly with car settings. Having spent a few weeks getting almost comfortable with the feel of the previous version, I can't even manage a lap with this new one . Can't face going through it again. I'll come back to it another day. iRacing or rF2 is the way to get going in my opinion. Fun you can work with from the word go
I think i know what you mean by that weird loss of grip, almost as if it's like a.. I don't know, a script or something ? It feels weird even on my logitech momo (yes, that momo).
I just can't get over how, you're expected to go to 100% brake pressure, hit the ABS and not lose any time over it in ACC. It just does not compute. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It shouldn't work, but in ACC it does.
GT3 drivers have mentioned that's how it supposed to be, your supposed to lean on the ABS and then bleed off smoothly It's to the point that even iracing changed their ABS logic in GT3, GT4, and TCR and now allows you to do the same thing
@@googlewontletmeuseacopypas5291 The point is, ABS stops you from locking up, by braking less than you're trying to do. So even if David Perel said that you're supposed to do something, that doesn't change what ABS is meant to be doing. You cannot tell me that actively hitting the ABS, and therefor breaking less doesn't have any negative impact on your brake performance.
I don’t believe that any GT3 driver said that you should lean on the abs. What they say is that you brake and when you reach abs you back off. That’s very different than just constantly engaging the abs. By default engaging abs should result in worse braking distance. The concept behind abs is the same regardless of race car or personal vehicle.
I found with the old Coach Dave set ups you couldnt touch kerbs and I put that down to him driving ferrari and that always being terrible at kerbs. But recent setups have allowed for a wee bit more kerb riding before the update. For example, I usually drove FR cars predominantly Lexus, on aggressive setup I couldride the kerbs on Coach Dave setups, I had to be more careful. I haven't personally tried the update yet as moved over to IRacing recently. But will give it a go in the near future.
The sudden loss of grip is also the thing that I hate about ACC and I drive on a setup made by a race engineer (my setup is bought since I know jack sh*t about what all the stuff does tbh). I race the AMR 2019 and although I love it it's unpredictable most of the times.. hit the curb in the inside chicane just before the long straight and it spun the car because it was bouncing around. Really hope that this update makes it all so much better because ACC truly is a great sim.
@@kolysion164 it is now, before this update it wasn't Since the release of ACC it was always fighting the car and constantly finding the right setup and all that.
Hi Dave, just out of interest, are you running on one screen on ACC because of how it runs? I was disappointed really. I've got 3080Ti and R9 5900x and it runs terribly for me. Shame really. The Sim seems very overly demanding.
i've got a lower spec machine and it runs a 80 - 100 on high at 1440. might want to play around with it a bit more cause it should be fine on your system
@@christopheroconnor4665 I bought it about 12 months ago. I’m not too bothered really, as I enjoy my iracing and can’t really see me swapping to anything else. It was more of an observation to be honest
go do your own sim then, it's not like they have a magic wand that can make everything work. You don't like it? Go on rf2 or iracing, nobody is forcing you...
the aston that was the car of choice for every race for me , now it feels like a sponge on wheels, temps fluctuates like shit , now you are at 27 next minute is 26.3 that's a too small window to work with, they could have done it much safe 26-27 a lot of movement , 27-27.5 a more steady ride i don't feel any grip, from 1.58.4 at silverstone now i can't do 2.1 even
Also there is no more one setup fits all drivers anymore. Now it's all about feel and mechanical knowledge, it's still a game so that may all change as time goes on. Lmao
People keep forgetting that it's just a video game. A programmed game that simply has its limitations (like any video game). Trying to turn this into a science is clearly far from reality.
I always had the same feeling with ACC. Very disappointed that this seems to remain an issue. Nothing feels more realistic where you can sense the weight transfer and tire grip like iRacing imo
I haven't driven the new tire model in ACC. I don't feel the tire model in iRacing is easy to catch a loose rear in the GT3's. The original AC, now that is where I get the feedback that I love. No hate to iRacing, I enjoy all these sims. I'm still on a Logitech G29 so a wheel and pedals upgrade probably could help. Same pedals and wheel from my PS3 Gran Tourismo online racing days. Have fun out there on track 👍
You have to remember a thing, iracing costs a fortune, not everbody (like me) plays that many hours that is even smart to buy the content and pay the subscription for it.... I would love to play iracing but the prices are simply astronomic, for me at least (living in Portugal) With 12 euros you get 3 cars and a track, you cant buy a single track at iracing for that price, plus the monthly payments... life is expensive at the moment so yep
@michasmarzewski3670efinitely not. Ask real drivers and you'll see. Iracing is second to none, and rFactor is the second (maybe the best in FFB, but NOT in physics).
The curbs in ACC are just so stupid and unnatural I just keep avoiding them as I often get moments where you hit a curb and at least on my setup the screen and the car just behave like I'm riding through the Grand Canyon and you have to pray the car doesn't go into grass or something. It's like the cars don't even have suspension. It really kills the flow for me.
I think acc was better before the big 1.8 update, I feel that they made easier to drive and more gamey with the 1.8 update. I fear 1.9 will be more of the same - imagine update 2.7 …… it’ll be like gran turismo !!
If u compared ACC with iRacing in 2019, I agree with u. But now in 2023, man the GT3 in iRacing already made ACC some bit of a crap physics….. how could u drive a GT3 sliding every corner in ACC? Find any onboard videos of a GT3 car, nobody could drive a GT3 car like that in a main race session
Ive been commenting here and there over the years about that strange slide out of nowhere. Wasnt complaining too much just giving an opinion. Never really got any other response than learn how to drive.
1.40.6 for me around valencia Well, ok I'll give you pass, you are a iracer. Acc for 6 months 1300 hrs on game abd the bew update is phynonimal the stupid is everything. Toe camber and the suspension (bumpstops, spring rate etc) all work together and that will change how you set up dampers and that xgabges the whole dynamic of the kerbs. Love you videos thank you for sharing.
4380 hours in 6 months, you've spent 1300 hours in the game during that time, so you've spent 7 hours a day playing ACC for the last 6 months lol, take some vitamin D you'll feel better
I am in love with the new update. Especially with the R8's new BOP and its performance at Monza. Right out of the gate with the default aggressive setup , my time dropped from my previous best of 1:48:545 with a setup i paid a real mechanic to do for my driving style, to consistently lapping in the low to mid 1:47s and personal best of 1:47:142... and again WITH DEFAULT AGRESSIVE. That is just mind blowing. The changes might not feel so different on direct drive wheels, but on a G29 it's a completely different story. Now you can finally feel what the tires and suspension are doing. You can feel the actual limit of the grip and not just hope that it will stick. Absolutely mental stuff, but the single best thing is how wet driving works. No longer do you get your dry race setup, throw in wet tires, knock off few degrees of camber and call it a day. Now it's basically an entirely different segment of the game and i would really like to see more online wet race.
Ehy Dave, I just noticed that the FFB indicator while you were driving was really low, not even hitting 50% on those big curbs. Might worth a try to increase the gain in the options, it really changed after the update for me, you can now feel the understeer and oversteer better.
Good spot. Should be plenty higher than that to get the best feel when the grip starts to go. Much higher setting works better for me where I don't mind clipping when smashing a sausage kerb if it means more grip feel when cornering on track.
It shouldn’t go that high… if it’s in the red constantly you won’t feel anything
That's just a clipping meter. It can be whatever, as long as it doesn't go red.
The bar tells you how much of the available peak force is being used. He has a 27nm DD base, so if the FF bar was hitting close 100% all the time, it would be very very heavy on his hands.
@@eetuli85 it’s not how it works. That bar is dependent to the in game force you set and it should go to the maximum (without going red) in order to feel all the details the ffb has to offer. You’re talking about the overall strength of the wheel base which you can fine tuning in the wheel properties.
To prove that, you can reach the red on that bar even if you set the wheel to the lowest force available in the wheel properties (as long as the in game force is high).
As always there’s a lot of confusion on this subject and everyone thinks that they’re right 😂
I’m blown away, for me it was hardly playable before. Now it’s sooo good
Findings from last night at COTA (probably the worst track in ACC ATM). Pressures don't matter anymore, you can get excellent grip at 28psi and 26, what's more important is core and surfaces temperature. On the McLaren, 85c and above gave great feel, below that point, I could only describe it as "grainy" the tyres, not the ffb. A LOT of default setups are a click or two too soft on the springs and the damper settings need reviewing, heavily, and you can now use sliding to get the heat in the tyres. Oversteer isn't the enemy, and can be used to your advantage. Oh! And bringing cambers down can improve stability a lot. Very impressed with this, hope they keep these additions for AC2
Can't wait to try this on my brand new fanatec gear that I got only yesterday 😂
as somebody with a couple thousand hours on ACC and a thousand plus on monza alone i have to say this update feels like a big step in the right direction, the cars now feel like they are riding on rubber with some give in them, the cars now feel like they bounce correctly, no so stiff that when you hit a curb it crashes into it, it feels exaggerated now because of how it was before but i think its about right honestly, as for the curbs on monza, i think everybody knows you cant attack the red sausages, they should upset the car in a major way, but all the other curbs feel on point. i know what you mean about cars losing grip suddenly though but ive always put it down to driver error myself, the cars weight has to be taken into account and ofcourse we know setup is crucial in ACC always has been. Yeh i like this update personally, its a good step forward.
You can attack the anticuts at Monza in real life, actually.
The way it losing grip is not correct, it was absolutely Drifting……. It’s on the correct way but just not realistic at all. Watch any onboard video on a GT3 car, nobody drive like that IRL
@@ryomaprime3130 In real life a GT3 car is set up by professionals absolutely prime, then it’s driven by a professional and when they make a mistake the car can lose grip and spin.
There are a million reasons why the car can lose control even when you least expect it, you will not see the car lose control in a straight line right? So there is nothing inherently wrong with the grip in the game, it does not just lose traction at random because if it did then that would be incorrect and likely a bug which would happen even in a straight line.
The car loses grip mid corner where there could be many many reasons for it, trail braking can cause it if the rear end is higher than the front causing oversteer, can happen under braking if the BB is unbalanced and too far rearward, can happen from a combination of all those things plus tyres not being the correct pressure. We now know there is a bigger focus on outside middle and inside temps and how the tyres behave when the temperatures between the three are varying to a wide degree.
We can’t complain that the car does not behave right until we have a complete and full understanding how to set the car up and how everything you can tweak effects the car and we can’t compare it to real life where the cars are set up by professionals per track and it’s driven by somebody that knows what they are doing.
I’ve also never seen anybody complain about the cars in the game losing grip at random without reason who has driven these cars in reality, we have people racing these cars in real life and in sim who have compared the two, think James Baldwin and such. Never complained about randomly losing grip.
Now like I said I have lost grip mid corner when I feel like I shouldn’t have, but it does not matter how I feel if something else has contributed to it, even in comparison to other games, just because iracing does not do the same thing does not mean that is correct and this is wrong. I always feel like it’s me that was the reason for a loss of control and I’m no slouch at the game, before patch for example I was a 1.47.5 driver on monza, there were probably 4 or 5 drivers I ever came across in public lobbies that could match or beat me so I know that track extremely well, I don’t think I’ve ever lost control of the car in hundreds of monza races alone where I thought something just wasn’t right.
I will say however before the patch I do feel like the tyres were not as rubbery as they could be, everything was too stiff, every bounce felt like a crash into the tarmac, most of which seems to have improved a lot in my opinion…. I’m slower now, setups I had don’t work lol but I already understand why it feels the way it does and I really like it.
Maybe the loss of grip isn't communicated very well through the wheel. 👍
@@davecamyt perhaps there is an element of that, its hard to say because what do we as the driver take as loss of rear grip? with a direct drive (i use invicta also) the wheel tends to correct itself when things go sideways so you know when the car is moving out of wack because of that... i guess we could argue that there is not much indication when the car is about to start sliding on the rear but i think the beginning of the slide is more down to pedal input and so i guess thats where rumble motors and buttkickers start to come into play which will begin to activate as soon as the tyre starts losing adhesion to the road.
its a difficult one for sure, im not about to sit here and tell anybody what they feel is wrong because we all take different cues from the feedback, i personally... even more so with the new update feel like i can feel the movement of the car more, the wheel correction comes quickly when a loss of traction begins, the wheel also goes light far sooner now when you reach the limit of the front tyres (feels more like F1 actually and its artificial understeer option, im not actually a fan of this but i feel it more now in ACC). So yeh its difficult to know exactly if its just driver mistakes and the game punishing you or if the FFB isnt quite delivering what some people want, which is also likely.
12:02 - interesting… From what point of view? I currently run triple 27s and am considering looking at a single ultrawide instead, but the thing that is stopping me is the loss of vision that triples gives me. So interested to understand what you meant by it being a much better experience on single? Thanks
Have to say, the suspension looks much livelier in external car views in the replay. Maybe that's just me paying attention to it though.
I dont play ACC anymore but to be fair if your going to hit curbes full on and expect it to react like smooth asphalt I don't understand what your expecting. From my experience hitting a 3in bump in a race car you'll end up with damage and or a crash.
Bollocks
But, the new way the car handles the curbs was hyped up by the Devs. I'm just testing it
I'm not sure what you mean by the sudden loss of grip thing. Is it overall, or just front or just the back? FWIW, I find ACC default setups have a lot of oversteer compared to what I prefer. Not sure if it's related to that or not. In general, I find ACC has more grip than iRacing, imo.
EDIT: i meant to say ACC default setups have a lot of understeer, not oversteer. Sorry.
Agreed. When I played on iRacing it felt like I was driving on ice. On ACC the car feels much more grounded and realistic
100%, Iracing is garbage when it comes to grip loss. Everything turns to ice the second a mistake is made or you don’t have optimum grip. Hell even touching someone has both people sliding into space. Not real what so ever
And sometimes in iRacing the car is immediately scrap as soon you touch something. And of course the slippery surfaces… Too unrealistic for me… This is why I always choose ACC over iRacing. iRacing lives from the content and the online events. I personally like the graphic from iRacing too but driving is very special…
@@mrmidnight32 have you tried it since the latest gt3 tires updates? I catch slides often.
@@BingBongYourLife i have, although just the new Porsche and Ferrari. I need to go back and try some of the other cars that I've driven before to see how they compare. It'll be hard, though, since so much has changed with how the setups are done. I had some good ones, too. Kind of disappointed about that tbh
I watched/listened to aris' stream and a few things cought my attention. I love that even though the tyre pressures now are wider, the behavior changes depending how you want the car to be. Closer to 26psi there's more tyre flex and more grip around low speed corners and acceleration zones, closer to 27psi its way more stable on high speed corners which sounds quite realistic to me. He even mix matched tyre pressures between front and rear to show the difference in behavior. The other thing is he said extreme setups may no longer be viable (max camber max negative toe front and rear). Jardier tried it and found out tyres overheated and had a lot of wear, which also sounds realistic to me. I'm looking forward to trying this update although I haven't touched acc in over a month due to work.
Aris said that the cars rely now more on rear grip than before, that was basically front grip. The soft feeling through corners is noticeable. Even in hard braking you can feel the rear moving as if you were in a motoGP (kinda)
I think your last lap shown on the Ferrari at Imola, from TV cameras, shows beautifully dynamics going on.
I never understood what you meant by loss of grip but now I completely understand. Certain cars feel like the front tires have no grip
whats your view settings for the Audi? looks awesome :D
New Ferrari at Donnington I've found I can absolutely nail it through the chicane, I've knocked half a second off my best there already. The Coach Dave setup is far better than the aggressive preset and they have been getting the CDA4s into Delta on day of 1.9 release.
Maybe you need to soften your suspension rate if you want to ride the curbs aggressively?
Any improvements to VR performance? :)
some said they had 15-20 FPS (10-15%) gained after update but they were not on VR.
That Ferrari sounded awesome externally, that growl and exhaust pop 🤤
Saw those Ferrari's at Sebring in person and they are stunning.
set your ingame gain higher. the ffb range you're getting is quashed/compressed. you should aim to barely clip (ffb meter goes red) when hitting a huge kerb. then adjust your gain on the wheelbase to taste
setting it up this way will allow you to feel a lot more.
Tried it. Feels the same to me
LFM already added Valencia to this season.
Glad you mentioned. Guess I'm buying the DLC
I really like the new Porsche
It feels pretty good on keyboard
Another great video. Thanks!
I wouldn't call iRacing trash, I have enjoyed some of the MX-5 racing with other folks even though their MX-5 doesn't feel anything like a real one. I have to say I wasn't impressed at all with iceracing. FFB and the physics are just too game boy for me. Putting a tire on the grass is just so unrealistic and the penalties you get just for touching another car or dropping a wheel off the track in a race is ridiculous. Damn, ever watch a real MX-5 or GT3 race? I'll still take AC, ACC or rF2 any day of the week. I think the 1.9 update feels pretty good. The new DLC is a good value and I don't have to spend money in perpetuity to actually own them.
Don't forget they redid the Merc. You seem to like the merc.
Valencia (Circuito Ricardo Tormo?) was a track on _Tourist Trophy,_ the motorcycle version of _Gran Turismo 4._ It took me a long time to really get comfortable on it; it's challenging and difficult to get the lap to flow. It seemed to be best suited to "middleweight" bikes, 500, 600, maybe 750 CCs. Since there's only one straight that's not all that long and the rest of it is turns of various radii, including increasing and decreasing, and some of them are off-camber, it favored the lighter, nimbler, lower-powered bikes. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it wasn't the same for cars.
That Ferrari 296 is a handsome car. Too bad it sounds like a Datsun B210 with a bad header gasket and a rusted-out muffler.
It's still not going to stop people running into the back of you 🤣 cracked me up
16:28 that's what she said
Do you ever use VR?
One of the things I felt was that the cars changed dramatically in terms of stability over kerbs especially which is good. I always felt the Audi was a super stable car if you didn't upset its balance but nowadays I feel he's much more unstable mid corners (this all with default setups of course)
The noise of that 296 is amazing, but using an iPhone as a rear display is something else 😂
Those kerbs are not a joke!
It's much more difficult to go fast with 1.9. for me Imola and the Audi was 1:41.5/8 and with the new update I was lucky to get down into the 1:43's. I also find it to be much more difficult to be consistent.
I'm reinstalling all my Fanatec firmware and drivers just to make sure something didn't get messed up with I used DDU yesterday for the new Nvidia driver
it's super normal when there is a massive physics update that you go a lot slower or a lot faster, that doesn't mean you got slower as a driver. it's just the new physics.
That's a matter of time really. I'm not a fast driver by any means but I was struggling to hit 1.49s in Hungary yesterday, but after an hour or so I was hitting high 1.47s low 1.48s
When ACC went from 1.7 to 1.8, all of the feeling seemed to disappear from the DD1. Everyone was claiming, "New detail!" and "FFB feels amazing now!". To me it felt vague and uninteresting. I then spent hour upon hour trying to dial it all in again, trying new firmware, etc. But, of course, old memory gave way to new and I just got used to it eventually. I don't think I ever found a way to get the old FFB feeling back. I've yet to try 1.9.
EDIT: Just did a quick 3 lap qualy at monza. Definitely more detail in FFB. Car feels a bit looser but more grip strangely. Better flow through Parabolica for instance but snappy on the edge (Ferrari 488).
@@sneakygloworm I found it to be the exact opposite. Your detail comes from your gain. Then the strength of your FFB comes from your wheel. You can set the gain super high and the FFB on the wheel lower and get a ton of detail.
When 1.8 came out I could literally feel when my tires were on the edge of a curb and feel every rumble when I went over curbs.
For me that feeling is not gone.. Going over curbs is now a lot less punishing. While this is realistic on some tracks on others it's very unrealistic. Monza for example has the sausage curb on the outside of the last turn. You hit that in real life and odds are you're going to brake your car or wreck.
Spa on the other hand has curbs that are much less tame then the game represents.
My biggest problem with the update is how the rear tires spin once the car starts to slide. That's not realistic nor is the way the front tires feel they the wheel base.
I did figure out it makes a big difference setting the steering lock on both the game and wheel to each individuals cars setting vs setting it at 800-900 and letting the game adjust for each car.
I also found the less toe you use the better the car feels. The problem is the stock set ups for the Audi use a lot of toe. .15 on the front and
.25 on the back. Those are realistic real life settings. Now they can't be used and must be toned down drastically or the car becomes undrivable.
The one thing I've always been good at is consistency. When I look at my motec data from lap to lap it's almost a perfect overlay. Now I have to figure out a way to get more feeling back and figure out how to control a 4 wheel slide/slip angle.
A perfect example is Donnington. My 1.8 lap times were consistently 1:27.2-5 and if I make a big mistake 1:28..
I did a 30 min races weekend vs the AI and it took me several laps to get down into the 1:27's. I loved to slide the car around. If I made a mistake I could push it a tad harder later in the lap and make up the time I lost. Now that seems impossible
@@rankisdumb214 my experience was coming directly from 1.8 to 1.9 with the same setups, etc used in 1.8. so I changed nothing to compare the differences. They (for me) were as I stated. There is definitely more detail and less vagueness at wheel center than before. My lap times barely changed. In fact they improved slightly. I haven't changed any wheel settings since a few weeks after 1.8 dropped. So 1.8 was my baseline. 1.9 feels different in a good way to me.
The update feels great And that is just the beginning
Sadly for ACC drivers the game will soon be mothballed to make way for AC2. Common knowledge that Kunos is allocating more resource to the new title than to ACC.
@@RealRacingClubRRC There is something in what you say But you never know what will happen, at most we will switch to reensport 👌
@@VRS-X-IL would not bank on it, I have heard mixed reviews from the inside. Fingers crossed for AC2. If we can get a sim without the sro track restrictions from kunos again it will be very good.
@@RealRacingClubRRC could be me… but I think acc is more popular
@@VeniVidiAjax than what?
How come not using the tripples for ACC?
looking forward to to new Road Sweeper DLC, then we can clean all the diesel off the track, then the cars might actually stick, Asseto Corsa Dwift currently.
I have this game. Ill reinstall and try in VR.
I have AC, AMS2, Rfactor 2 and Iracing. I just like to play against AI, and Iracing has the best AI. Unfortunately Rfactor 2 has a horrible AI system because I think is the best simracing feeling.
I agree with this, as I only race against AI as i feel like my lap times are def not up to par an would rather not like to ruin someone elses online experience with my lack of experience.
and iracing is the only one where ai makes mistake, crash each other out, giving you hope after a mistake
@@ncokicsi AMS2 has it too! Probably not at the same level of believability as iRacing though. They just tend to spin out occasionally especially when 'under pressure'
@@erkkyygo into rookies and just race, man. Only way to get better is to do it, and I guarantee you'll surprise yourself.
@@erkkyy man, you should not worry about that at all. Lfm has a huge ELO range. If you're *slow* but not a menace to others by spinning and losing control all the time, you should try. 90% of the fun of sim racing to me is racing against real people.
curious to why you are not using the triple screen setup. the monitor next to you is black.
If you hit those sausage curbs IRL you be in the wall dave
No triple screens Dave?
It doesn't feel right to me with triples
Great review and I totally agree. Something just felt weird before, but I can see me racing in ACC more now. Still no iracing but its a lot better.
Honesty Iracing is trash. Physics are TERRIBLE, the second you lose grip you’re dead. Grass, over steer, brake too hard, touch someone. ACC is superior in every way. And I run Iracing. Only cause ACC is GT3 only. It’s way better but I don’t like racing GT3. But Iracing is beyond dated at this point.
@@mrmidnight32 😂 Just sat "I don't know how to drive so I like to drive something that's sim and arcade mix" all of the elite drivers in the world if they play a sim they have iracing.
@@alkine3011 he's right tho.... the only reason elite IRL drivers use iRacing it's because the online system and the range of cars you can race. ACC is only a GT simulator, not everyone enjoy GT3 or GT4. The physics in ACC are WAY better then iRacing. They both are very fun and they both have some weird happening with the physics, I just feel like iRacing is totally outdated, the FFB is horrible, you need to use irFFB to have it feel kinda decent.
Iracing isn't trash and ACC isn't superior in every way. It's good to have good racing games and even better that we don't all prefer the same, as this keeps up competition. Personally I like both games and after this update will play far more ACC, I was only stating my opinion, not a fact.
@@alkine3011 You'd have to be brain-dead if you think ACC is sim and arcade mix.
You have to keep the suspension softer now right?
No u can still run stiffer or even tstiffer than u used to as hey fixed the bump stops
Is RF2 still superior in FFB and dynamics?
Yes
In not confident with the cars in ACC anymore.
If they try to get the flex in the tyres to solve the bad behavior in the FFB then will that be the limit of Kunos
If the Ferrari dash can display tire pressures and Temps, why not in the hud
Do u know if the version 1.9 applies to PS4. Haven’t quite got the funds to upgrade to pc yet
Dave back on ACC? uh oh😅. Kidding not kidding
Thanks for the vid 👍
why side screens disabled?
Is what you call that loss of grip ACC's interpretation of understeer? From someone with less than an hour's experience on the sim
Who knows. Whatever it is, it's not communicated very well 👍
After 2 years, I was about to give up on ACC, it just wasn't rewarding to drive. I felt like I had to perform a strict recipe of inputs to satisfy the handling monster, and it gave me no sense if I was successful based on the feedback. Only an obvious slide or my delta went backwards told me if I got it right or wrong.
But now with 1.9 I feel like I actually have a say in how the car behaves, there's a cause-and-effect element that was missing before. The handling is more communicative and more forgiving, leading to a wider range of behaviours that can be extracted from the car.
This update should give me a better chance to improve over time by allowing me to identify what inputs help or hurt my pace. Curb strikes are more realistic, alignment and tire behaviour is more realistic, and the new track is awesome.
I'm thrilled with this update. If 1.9 serves as a test bed for AC2 next year, that should be an awesome game!
Have you tried ACCFFB with vJoy? For me, it makes the FFB and the understanding of whats happening with the car so much better. I cant drive ACC without it now and 1.9 has just made it even better. It's still very setup dependent though but it feels like the setup changes actually make sense now.
Why don't you use the triples with ACC?
A few reasons. The main one being it makes me feel a little queezy
@@davecamyt oh dear, but just with ACC?
Yes ACC is the only one that does it. Real head motion makes it much better 👍
@@davecamyt that’s annoying for you ☹️
Is ACC 1.9 coming to PS5, or is the update 1.008.010 on the PS5 the same thing?
There's a lot more going on with your tires in the corners that's for sure
Turbo whistle ?. that be the sequential box me thinks.
I can't believe the Audis still use that old "1980's wristwatch" dash
side wall would be hard I'd imagine to get right through feedback as that's very much a bum in the seat feeling
yellow kerbs are drivable, orange or to be avoided, that first 7min of the video was funny
Softer front roll? (Ferrari - Imola)
About Monza, a little too much impact? I mean these are 25cm tall sausages on a 5.5cm car clearance with suspensions moving maybe 5-7cm… I find it pretty realistic. Just take in consideration that a real gt3 and gt4 racing driver in an interview said “you need to cut kerbs to get lap times, but that’s a hit, after a race you have to change all the suspension brackets that are bent, and that’s a 20k€ per race of damage out of your pocket” so… I guess taking these sausages is in reality feasible but pretty damn hard…
U could check the real race video about GT4 and cup car, they literally take every bloody sausage curb in Monza :)
1. They're not 25cm tall.
2. They're rounded, which is a completely different thing that hitting a brick.
They might unsettle you in real life but as soon as you hit them in ACC you're going off track because the suspension doesn't absorb them at all.
@@ryomaprime3130 gt4 2/3cm higher than gt3s and not my opinion, just reporting what a real gt4 and gt3 driver said talking about acc and kerbs feeling, you literally can take them, it’s a crazy hit, and you destroy suspensions… but hey maybe I’m wrong I haven’t driven one in real life. Did you?
@@danielebrambilla2290 in 1.19 actually they’re not that bad… kinda seen cars flying and spinning 50 times into space for a net code tiny touch, wait not on acc, it was on another simulator 😂
the new update for ACC? now I can't play the game it keeps saying fatal error and won't load.
not enough disc space? check file integrity in steam too
@@TheAmbasadaRecords I found out it was my antivirus software stopping it from running . It works now
Your ACC looks so good on your video, How do you cancel out that cartoony look? Or is it just a youtube filter?
I turn saturation down. Think I have mine at 85% 👍
@@davecamyt thanks mate will give it a go
Is ACC stil crap in VR?
For me it's decent in vr, when you switch off mirrors, volumetric fog and limit amount of visible cars to 14-18 max.. It stutters a bit at first lap with big grids, but after cars separate a bit, it's decent stable 90 fps. CPU with 3D cache eliminates this issue.
@@TheAmbasadaRecords so crap then.
Cheers
@@Woopass90 Good enough for me to not even have a thought of switching to 2D screen. Stable 90 FPS most of the race with fov modded Reverb G2 and 5800x/3800 mhz 16 gb ram/rtx 3080 all oc'd. Matter of setting game and VR resolution right. Cheers.
It’s great just set -human eyesight=0
Ferrari raspy AF ❤
Will you some LFM races now Dave, or is it to much carnage for your temper? 😅
Have they sorted the triple screen resolution out ? Coz if I can't set it up like AMS2 11850 by 2160 or what ever it is ..Dave mate they can stick acc where the sun dont shine...ps how come you still dont have a motion system?
I've just never had the urge to shell out for motion 🫤
I set it up on triples today as didn't have triples on it before, it seems fine. What was the issue?
@@Vanbasten10Gaming If you check the resolution it doesn't go up to 11520×2160 I'm using 3 LG c2 42" screen and if you use AMS2 between the two sims the difference is like night and day and I have looked at the pak files and ended up getting locked out. So that just battered my head all a want is to race so I'll stick with AMS2..😉
@@andrewcrawford2093 Fair play mate, I have 32" and seems to work fine. Good luck with those cinema screens 😂👊, hope it gets sorted for you.
Such a shame they didn't improve the AI at all in this patch
release notes saying they did
Honestly ai is such a small part I can understand their lack of resources towards it. Although I also understand it's important to some people.
@@ikosmargaritis9749 they just edited the stats. It would've been better if they would've edited the AI lines and also the setups and aggressiveness
It just seems like this game is still in beta.
yeah and you are finished with piss
As a beginner, I'd advise anyone to steer well clear of ACC as a starter sim. You'll spend hours and hours and hours fighting gross oversteer or understeer or fiddling endlessly with car settings. Having spent a few weeks getting almost comfortable with the feel of the previous version, I can't even manage a lap with this new one . Can't face going through it again. I'll come back to it another day. iRacing or rF2 is the way to get going in my opinion. Fun you can work with from the word go
Having started in ACC I can say none of this really matters
I think i know what you mean by that weird loss of grip, almost as if it's like a.. I don't know, a script or something ? It feels weird even on my logitech momo (yes, that momo).
FFB of iRacing or FFB of ACC ? Driving experience of iRacing or ACC ? What’s your honest opinion ? 🏁
Iracing wins on both counts for me 👍
God if only ACC wasn’t purely GT3 and GT4… I’d dump Iracing.
Same. I don’t play iRacing, but I’d let go of regular AC.
Soon as Prototypes show up, I’m deleting all the other sims……except AMS2…it’s VR is unmatched.
@@Incognito-vc9wj AMS2 is a very good sim but underated id say their absence of online championships or leagues is tgeir downfall
I just can't get over how, you're expected to go to 100% brake pressure, hit the ABS and not lose any time over it in ACC. It just does not compute. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It shouldn't work, but in ACC it does.
GT3 drivers have mentioned that's how it supposed to be, your supposed to lean on the ABS and then bleed off smoothly
It's to the point that even iracing changed their ABS logic in GT3, GT4, and TCR and now allows you to do the same thing
If your coming from iracing it's because iracings abs up until recently acted like regular avg car abs not racecar abs
@@googlewontletmeuseacopypas5291 The point is, ABS stops you from locking up, by braking less than you're trying to do. So even if David Perel said that you're supposed to do something, that doesn't change what ABS is meant to be doing. You cannot tell me that actively hitting the ABS, and therefor breaking less doesn't have any negative impact on your brake performance.
I don’t believe that any GT3 driver said that you should lean on the abs. What they say is that you brake and when you reach abs you back off. That’s very different than just constantly engaging the abs. By default engaging abs should result in worse braking distance. The concept behind abs is the same regardless of race car or personal vehicle.
@@maxieboy They do be sipping some kool aid. As if there's a magical race ABS that is vastly superior in what it does.
About 7 minutes in and I'm thinking sausage curbs are supposed to throw you off...?
I found with the old Coach Dave set ups you couldnt touch kerbs and I put that down to him driving ferrari and that always being terrible at kerbs. But recent setups have allowed for a wee bit more kerb riding before the update. For example, I usually drove FR cars predominantly Lexus, on aggressive setup I couldride the kerbs on Coach Dave setups, I had to be more careful. I haven't personally tried the update yet as moved over to IRacing recently. But will give it a go in the near future.
The sudden loss of grip is also the thing that I hate about ACC and I drive on a setup made by a race engineer (my setup is bought since I know jack sh*t about what all the stuff does tbh). I race the AMR 2019 and although I love it it's unpredictable most of the times.. hit the curb in the inside chicane just before the long straight and it spun the car because it was bouncing around.
Really hope that this update makes it all so much better because ACC truly is a great sim.
lol I don't need to buy any setup, there is no many settings like rFactor2, it's very simple in ACC....even the agressive or default are very good
@@kolysion164 it is now, before this update it wasn't Since the release of ACC it was always fighting the car and constantly finding the right setup and all that.
Hi Dave, just out of interest, are you running on one screen on ACC because of how it runs?
I was disappointed really. I've got 3080Ti and R9 5900x and it runs terribly for me. Shame really. The Sim seems very overly demanding.
Depending on how recently you got the 5900x I'd seriously suggest you get a 5800X3D. The 3D V Cache makes a HUGE difference
i've got a lower spec machine and it runs a 80 - 100 on high at 1440. might want to play around with it a bit more cause it should be fine on your system
@@christopheroconnor4665 I bought it about 12 months ago. I’m not too bothered really, as I enjoy my iracing and can’t really see me swapping to anything else. It was more of an observation to be honest
It also looks like they've sped up the game it all seems faster than it was.
Do you mean there's a better sense of speed?
@@tenkrow yeah
Fov is pretty wide in the video, which definitely makes it look faster
Finally they fixed curbs, after 9 years of physics development.
go do your own sim then, it's not like they have a magic wand that can make everything work. You don't like it? Go on rf2 or iracing, nobody is forcing you...
the aston that was the car of choice for every race for me , now it feels like a sponge on wheels, temps fluctuates like shit , now you are at 27 next minute is 26.3 that's a too small window to work with, they could have done it much safe 26-27 a lot of movement , 27-27.5 a more steady ride i don't feel any grip, from 1.58.4 at silverstone now i can't do 2.1 even
that sounds more like a skill issue though...
@@xMetal98 as I sayd 1.58... On Silverstone... Don't know what skill issue is....
Also there is no more one setup fits all drivers anymore. Now it's all about feel and mechanical knowledge, it's still a game so that may all change as time goes on. Lmao
People keep forgetting that it's just a video game. A programmed game that simply has its limitations (like any video game). Trying to turn this into a science is clearly far from reality.
How anyone can say ACC sounds good is beyond me.
maybe there is something wrong with your ears?
What's it meant to sound like?
I watch you as you talk sense, and you have great graphics, unlike Jardier.
I always had the same feeling with ACC. Very disappointed that this seems to remain an issue. Nothing feels more realistic where you can sense the weight transfer and tire grip like iRacing imo
I haven't driven the new tire model in ACC. I don't feel the tire model in iRacing is easy to catch a loose rear in the GT3's. The original AC, now that is where I get the feedback that I love. No hate to iRacing, I enjoy all these sims. I'm still on a Logitech G29 so a wheel and pedals upgrade probably could help. Same pedals and wheel from my PS3 Gran Tourismo online racing days. Have fun out there on track 👍
Agree with u, the weight transfer feeling in iRacing is super actual and solid one, while in ACC it just becoming endless ‘Tyre Sliding’
You have to remember a thing, iracing costs a fortune, not everbody (like me) plays that many hours that is even smart to buy the content and pay the subscription for it.... I would love to play iracing but the prices are simply astronomic, for me at least (living in Portugal) With 12 euros you get 3 cars and a track, you cant buy a single track at iracing for that price, plus the monthly payments... life is expensive at the moment so yep
@michasmarzewski3670efinitely not. Ask real drivers and you'll see. Iracing is second to none, and rFactor is the second (maybe the best in FFB, but NOT in physics).
@Michał Smarzewski Just saying, ACC could not even make weight transfer correctly……and in iRacing, there won’t be such a think ‘ Rear negative toe’ 😅
The Ferrari doesn’t sound like that in real life.not at all!
Pretty close, maybe a bit raspier in ACC, but close. The car is a Turbo V6 now.
ACC used to be absolutely numb, with no sense of speed or traction.
clown.
The curbs in ACC are just so stupid and unnatural I just keep avoiding them as I often get moments where you hit a curb and at least on my setup the screen and the car just behave like I'm riding through the Grand Canyon and you have to pray the car doesn't go into grass or something. It's like the cars don't even have suspension. It really kills the flow for me.
I think acc was better before the big 1.8 update, I feel that they made easier to drive and more gamey with the 1.8 update.
I fear 1.9 will be more of the same - imagine update 2.7 …… it’ll be like gran turismo !!
Looks and sounds great, but just not the sim for me.
You just cant beat ACC as a sim wish it wasnt just gt class cars. If iRacing wasnt american would be so much cheaper and better made
Then why hasn’t anyone outside America made anything comparable?
@@Zach-td5mb Coz they don't have the money for such a massive project. Such a project needs the backing of a big studio like a triple A studio
If u compared ACC with iRacing in 2019, I agree with u.
But now in 2023, man the GT3 in iRacing already made ACC some bit of a crap physics….. how could u drive a GT3 sliding every corner in ACC? Find any onboard videos of a GT3 car, nobody could drive a GT3 car like that in a main race session
@@Zach-td5mb haha that’s a good one😂
@@fjnemo and that is exactly why iRacing got better physics and still on their way of updates
Ive been commenting here and there over the years about that strange slide out of nowhere. Wasnt complaining too much just giving an opinion. Never really got any other response than learn how to drive.
same here about iracing
😢
In my opinion assetto corsa is a much better feel than acc.
No doubt.
Wtf are you saying man assetto Corsa is nothing compared to acc
@@michelepalermo5739 better driving physics. No need to swear ty.
no at all, everything is far superior in ACC, my simucube refuses to play with AC, I can't force it
@@kolysion164 just an excuse to tell people you've got simcube. Well done .
Cars are sliding now like in AMS2... :/
no at all, in AMS2 it's numb, on a rail.
1st 😂
You had inside information, Julie!
1.40.6 for me around valencia
Well, ok I'll give you pass, you are a iracer. Acc for 6 months 1300 hrs on game abd the bew update is phynonimal the stupid is everything. Toe camber and the suspension (bumpstops, spring rate etc) all work together and that will change how you set up dampers and that xgabges the whole dynamic of the kerbs.
Love you videos thank you for sharing.
4380 hours in 6 months, you've spent 1300 hours in the game during that time, so you've spent 7 hours a day playing ACC for the last 6 months lol, take some vitamin D you'll feel better
maybe stay off the kurwa curves then? if you want to fly over curves go play Forza or sth.. xD
acc uninstalled
the last thing i was expecting to do today but,,,,,,
Im loving it now much more than before lol, started to really feel connected with tires and suspension.