Let's Chat About Lords of Chaos
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- Опубликовано: 2 авг 2024
- An in-depth look at the 2018 movie 'Lords of Chaos', why it's so reviled by metal audiences, and precisely how accurate is it, really?
Trust me, this video will irritate you. Enjoy!
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CHAPTERS:
Intro: 00:00:00
Truth, Lies, and What Actually Happened: 00:01:43
Poser: 00:26:10
I Could Do Whatever the Fuck I Wanted: 00:44:45
That Was... Was a Really Smart Fucking Move!: 00:53:38
Do You Want a Glass of Milk?: 01:09:40
Tea Anyone?: 01:11:21
We're Not Normal People: 01:13:09
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I like to call it 'If Hallmark decided to make a movie of BM', thus, a Hallmark Black Metal movie
😂😂😂😂😂😂 Oh my god, that is brilliant!
screw dsbm all hail hbm
cant wait for the euronymous video
Actually yea me too. Even though how much more could we know. But I really like her presentation
Same! She has facts I’ve never even heard HINTS of. I can’t wait!
Keep waiting
thank you for being one of the few people in this scene on youtube that seems to genuinely cares and isnt riding the euronymous hate train that everyone seems to love for some reason
You're welcome! And thank you for watching! Most people prefer to hate on others, instead of trying to take the time to understand them. Understanding someone doesn't excuse their behaviour, but it does remind others that few people are truly all evil or all good. We're all just people, and a mix of both.
I am more angry with Varg for perpetrating such violence and destruction just because he had something to prove to Euronymous!! He wanted to "one-up" everything and everyone!! Euronymous, sure, was a prick and goat for leading Dead into self-destruction, and Varg into doing more and more to prove his worth!! It was Varg for everything else. and he's still alive, and Euronymous and Dead are not!! This is wrong on so many levels, in my opinion!!
@@LasEnchiladasvarg Burzum albums are 🔥 though
Tbh, I’ll always have a soft spot for this film as it’s what got me interested in Mayhem (I know I’m late to the party, I grew up a punk rather than a metalhead 🤣). I think it’s a fun film that doesn’t take itself too seriously. Truth be told, the scene of Pelle cutting himself made me pass out COLD the first time I saw it! I felt like the biggest weenie.
Edit after finishing the video: you sound exactly like me when I’m talking about Mayhem! Thank you for actually viewing Pelle and Øystein as the CHILDREN they actually were. I mean, neither of their brains ever got to finish developing.
Nice to see punk's not dead 😁 Yeah, that scene broke my heart, I wanted to just reach through the tv and stop him, make it not happen (even though it was Jack Kilmer and not actually Pelle, lol).
I think my age helps me see these guys as the kids they were, and gives me that insight. My edgelord stage wasn't as bad as theirs, but I did have one, and I cringe looking back a little, but I realise that it was part of my development into adulthood. I think a lot of Mayhem fans are either still young, or don't really look at their history from that perspective (some of them are still edgelords, just old ones with mortgages and kids 😆).
Thanks for watching!
What. I agree with you but they did not die at 16 or even 19.
A 25yo (Euronymous) is not a child by any stretch. 22 yo (Per) is when ppl graduate from college, so *maybe* still "young adult"/late youth. But never would I call anyone in their 20s "children". Unless you just mean they were children when they created the band and the long term issues leading up to the end.
Once you know the history, read the Zines, read the letters, interviews etc. it's hard not to feel like something is missing in this movie. All the stories and quirks, the personalities, it seems shallow once you've researched for a long time. But there's only so much one can squeeze into a one-two hour movie. I really really missed the tour tho, I feel like that was such an important part of Mayhems history..
Honestly, they could have made a movie about the tour alone and I think fans would have enjoyed that. But all biopics are shallow wikipedia articles which never get into the full story, and it would be nice if the formula were shaken up and changed.
@@EveryFairyDies They could've also made a movie on Per's love for transylvanian vampires alone, and I would've watched it, 100%
@@weronika7596 😂 Yeah, same!
This video is fantastic! You can tell how much effort & research has gone into it! And its nice to see someone now totally bash this movie! All the points you brought up are bang on! I would love to see more videos like this from you! I loved the Pelle video too!
Thank you so much!
Best review of this movie on RUclips. Thank you. Nice to hear a thoughtful review on it that isn't so one dimensional. Every other one is just like it's not like that Euroymous sucked and was a asshole. You humanized it all and made it make sense and nobody pointed out all the details you did. The director got so much hate yet seemed to work so hard to get such little details right and gets no credit. Great job! Looking forward to more content.
Thank you! I appreciate your appreciation of my work! 😆
@@EveryFairyDies 😆
this is the most entartaining content ive seen in a while and im surprised you dont have more subscribers, loved your dead (per) video aswell
Thank you so much! I'd probably have more subs if I uploaded more content regularly 😂😂 I'm sure I'll find extra hours in the day eventually...
great documentary and breakdown. i think i've watched the movie 3 times since the release.
i wasn't aware Jonas wanted to make this into a series. A series (even if only 6-8 one hour long episodes) would have given Jonas much more underlying story content and characters to delve into. A 90-minute film has to rush through much of the story that took years to unfold in real life. It would have been nice to see Varg's character before he created Burzum, when he jammed with the Immortal guys in Old Funeral, as well as the relationships and early stories of other Norwegian bands and members that were sprouting up at the time like Darkthrone, Emperor, etc.
I've been into blackmetal since that time period when they all started showing up in zines and tape trading was still commonplace. Mayhem was one that I never got a response back from, probably because they were getting A LOT more letters and postal packages than what is depicted in the movie. I still have all my letters and tapes from those days, as well as the Scandanavian zines I would buy through mailorder. At some point I plan to make a display case (shrine) in my studio with all that stuff. It was an exciting time in metal music history, for sure.
That's so cool! You gotta send me photos of your shrine one day, that would be epic to see.
A series is always better; more streaming platform should take advantage of people's desire for more information into the lives of these famous people and events. Like "The Crown" but for music icons (and more accurate). They're really missing a great opportunity here, as they could explore the history of bands/musicians that had such a massive impact on music evolution, not just metal. Maybe I should go poke them with a stick and suggest it. 😂
I love this movie, I wish it wasn’t based on real events coz it could be a great black comedy
Tragedy + time = comedy!
Finally a video that isn’t shit talking Lords of Chaos! I like Lords of Chaos, when I first watched it I had no idea what it was about, I had never heard of Mayhem, I just watched it because I’m a big fan of Rory Culkin and I wanted to see what it was about, if you ignore all of the historical inaccuracies, it’s a really good movie (not amazing by all means but in Biopic Standards it’s pretty good) you got a great cast (I never thought i would see a movie with Rory Culkin, Wilson Gonzales Ochsenknecht, Valter Skargsgård, and Jon Øigarden in the same movie and yet here we are!) great acting moments even with some cringey moments there’s still some good acting moments, it’s just overall a great movie even with all its faults. After I watched Lords of Chaos, I actually listened to some of Mayhem’s music just to see if it’s something I would be interested in and while Black Metal isn’t my kind of music (I’m more of a alternative Rock, post hardcore, pop punk Emo kind of person) I’m glad i got to experience and find out about a new genre of music! So Lords of Chaos, great movie if you want something that won’t take itself seriously, it’s a fun movie, that’s it.
I suspect a lot of the hate it gets are from poser edge lords who are determined to hate anything that doesn't conform to their idea of what they think happened.
But I agree, it's not the greatest movie, but it's not as bad as everyone claims, and is certainly more accurate than it gets credit for.
Man. Varg must be pissed at his cinematic incarnation lol
Great video. Fab style.
Oh, Varg has made a few videos calling out the movie. They're hilarious. Thanks for watching!
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Yeah. I watched a few of his lord of chaos saga complaints . It is a laugh
He was offended that he was played by a Jew.
I think it’s just a fun movie at the end of the day. Its acted well (enough), dec quality and it’s about black metal. If I want something that is realistic and has all the facts, I throw on one of the few documentaries that have been made
Thanks for watching! I agree. I would never look to a movie for the full facts/true story, but they're a good place to get a person interested in finding out the real story. We're lucky there's some really good black metal documentaries out there.
I 100% agree with you, but i givr the film a higher rating, maybe 8.5/10. Its well acted and well done. Even the scenes with supposed clumsy acting is meant to show a young man's insecurities when trying to create a character to play as a stage-persona. I sing black/death metal, I relate to all this 100%. And just like you, I absolutely adore the practical effects.
Cheers!
Thank you! Practical effects forever!
Well Said ! As a singer of metal myself ... The movie captures the darkness aura well enough , and its open to much misunderstanding , mainly from nerds and hipsters today ... who wants to over-interprate everything to suit their own ass. Deserves 8/10 just for the awesome effort as an entertainment aspect.
Chop off 2 points for lack of Truth.
"Something, something, black metal. Something, something, viking."
Yep, that checks out.
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This and the video about Per were both great! Thank you so much for creating such well rounded analysis on the topics :)
As a Black Metal geek the level of detail that went into Lords of Chaos is insane to see, and I'm very glad someone else appreciates it!
Thank you! I know I've not uploaded anything to this channel despite my promises, and I DO intend to continue, I've just been hella busy. But I will continue, so watch this space!
@@EveryFairyDies Hehe looking forward to future videos, subscribed ^^
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It’s movie folks. Based on real events sure, but still a movie. And like with any movie there is creative license taken. If you want to pick it apart then go for it, but it does a good job of conveying the story of events in a general way. For somebody who didn’t know anything about these things they got the highlights. Again, If you want to pick it apart fine, but it doesn’t claim to be a historical documentary.
As a failed filmmaker I love over-analysing movies, and when watching a movie that claims to be based on/inspired by a true story, I like to do my own research to find out the real story. Sadly, not everyone is as interested or is way more naive than me 😆 Since I dived deeply into this movie after I watched it, I wanted to share my over-analysis with others. That allows me a certain level of legitimacy for my obsession, instead of simply being a weirdo who needs to calm the fuck down. 😂😂
great video, really underrated channel, i think lords of chaos actually is a lot better and accurate than people say, the subtle details that are actually real, like the t shirts they wore in the same instances as in the actual mayhem photos, even Atilla's son is in a scene, so it wasn't disconnected from actual black metal some black metal bands supported the film too, like watain, in fact the film was being guided by and eastern European black metal band that helped with the style and scenes.
the film was atmospheric for me, i really liked it, rory culkin was a great fit for the character of euronymous, and its not as bad as people say, it could have definitely been worse, it could have been directed by someone who had no clue about black metal.
edit: watched the whole video now, you summed up everything i was saying, even better, absolutely agree
Thank you! Nice to see someone else who also enjoyed the movie. And I agree, Rory's performance was really great. I didn't know Watain had supported it, that's cool.
I watched an interview with Rory (the one I show a quick clip from) where he mentioned how Mayhem and other Black Metal musicians dissed the movie, but he put that down to that being part of their Black Metal facade, given they all were on set at various points and seemed to like the fact the movie was being made.
Jonas is also a really good director, I really enjoy his other films, too. And his music videos, of course!
Yeah like how tf is euronymus a Nice guy in this movie
@@Interredband He was a human being, just like the rest of us.
@@EveryFairyDies not a good guy tho
that picture at 5:40 - where you have the 5 people who played on Deathcrush - you have Maniac 3 times!!
Yes, I've been made aware 😂 ☺ I promise I'll get it right one day!
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In ur next video about Euro can u include good moments between him and Pelle? I heard Euro suffered after his friends death (selfharm, trying to talk to the dead, etc)
I'll definitely be looking into how Euronymous reacted and responded to Pelle's death!
Euro was just an evil son of a bitch. If he knew Pelle was losing it and becoming seriously unwell, he should have taken him to a psychiatric hospital or at least called Mr or Mrs Ohlin about it. Imagine taunting a guy like Pelle.
The best video over Lords of chaos I have ever seen. Thank you
Thank you for watching and commenting!
Great vid! Thanks for including my comment about how there wasn’t enough snow 😆 👍🏻
My only corrections:
5:41 you mention that vocal duties on Deathcrush were shared between Necrobutcher Euronymous, Manheim, Maniac and Messiah. However, the pictures you show are of Necrobutcher, Euronymous, Maniac, Maniac, and Maniac. Also, Necrobutcher and Euronymous did vocals on the Pure Fucking Armageddon demo, but the vocals on Deathcrush, were done by Maniac and Messiah.
(AFAIK Manheim has never recorded vocals.)
Mayhem had also had a couple of other vocalists by then. Their very first was a guy named Nils Svensson, and very briefly, Torben Grue from the band Vomit.
It is a a bit of a letdown that there was no mention of the prior vocalists (Maniac is an especially interesting guy who influenced Euronymous a lot, just like Pelle). It’s also a letdown thy Manheim literally disappears and is never seen again-in real life he actually stayed friends with Euronymous up until euro’s demise. A fun scene would’ve been him coming into Helvete after having gotten a stuffy office job.)
You also mention that Blackthorn was recruited after Euronymous‘s death, but according to the LOC book, he had already joined the band as a second guitarist, then quit at some point because of the toxicity and drama in the band, and was considered by Necrobutcher and Hellhammer as a replacement guitarist before they knew about his role in the murder. You also mentioned that he has never spoken of the murder, but he did actually give two interviews about it that are available in the LOC book.
Personally, I think title cards explaining what happened to all of the characters (and mentioning the release of the De Mysteriis album with Varg’s and Euronymous’s parts together) would have given the movie an air of authenticity that it somewhat lacked, but to each their own.
Great job though!
😂😂 So glad you saw this! And I had to include your comment about the snow.
Thanks for all those points, I'll be sure to make a note and include them in my eventual Euronymous/Varg video for my Murdered by Metal series. There's so much complication in the early Mayhem years that covering the history isn't easy, lol.
And you're right about the title cards, though that would have made LoC hit more points on the "Biopic Movie Bingo Card". But thanks for your comments and for watching!
I've only recently discovered this channel, but I eagerly look forward to more of your Murdered By Metal videos!
Would you ever consider covering some Black Metal documentaries, such as When The Light Takes Us in the future?
Thank you so much! I'd be happy to talk about the various Black Metal documentaries, I've watched them enough times as research! Stay tuned!
If Rory had emulated his brother when he was home alone and Varg came to visit, Euronymous would still be alive.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Ok, now I wanna see THAT movie!
...resisting the urge to cut a trailer that makes LoC into a comedy.
I remember seeing the videos varg would post literally was always raining and always in his truck LmAo
Yeah, it's pretty hilarious.
What you deserve is a a Golden Globe, Streamy, or whatever reward is given to outstanding RUclipsrs like you!! You are so detailed!! I don't have a single word, I am speachless!! Only 14K views???!!! What a shame!! You work tirelessly to provide an actual in-depth review, and you include Sources at the end?!!! Bravo!! As for the movie, I would have preferred Norwegian and Swedish actors, just to make it more authentic....for a long time I have hated the movie for that simple fact. However, my anger towards Euronymous and Varg for their subsequent actions, has made me desperate and frustrated enough to support the message of this movie. Anyway, well done!!
Thank you! It means a lot when people see how much work I’ve done on my videos 😁
I agree that Norwegian and Swedish actors would have been nice, but sadly in order to appeal the widest audience, they had to use Americans. Americans are notorious for struggling with non-USA accents, and this wasn’t exactly expected to be a blockbuster! 🤣
Great vídeo! There is a picture of a simulation the police did with an actor in the stairs like Euronymus. Short hair and using those clothes like in the movie. I guess it caused part of the confusion.
Thank you! That sounds really interesting, I'll have to see if I can find that photo, thanks for letting me know!
I didn't hate the movie as much as some people but the lack of Norwegian accents/actors took me out of it a bit. I will give extra trolling points for having a chubby jewish guy play Varg though 😅
I really love that they cast a Jewish guy as Varg, gives me such a petty joy! It would have been nice to see a few more Norwegians in the supporting roles at the very least, I agree. Thanks for watching!
I just found your channel and love it so far. I have one bit of criticism I'd like to respectfully give: please try to normalize the audio from the music segments to the speaking segments. I keep having to turn it up to hear you and then turn it down when it abruptly switches to a music segment. Especially with a house full of sleeping people. Thanks for the videos, keep them coming.
Thanks for watching! I'm working to make each video better than the last, and especially in the audio department. I appreciate the feedback, and will try to avoid causing feedback in my viewers ears 😆
@@EveryFairyDies The wife and daughter don't appreciate metal as much as I do lol. Especially at 5am 🤣
@@RMosher11 Bah, they will learn! Metal at all hours, or no metal at all! 😆
Nice video! One thing though, around 5:40 you used a picture of Maniac to depict Manheim. Don't blame you cause they don't look too different- just thought you'd like to know! Good work. I don't agree with all points but that's beside everything here, good job!
Thank you! Yeah, I realise I messed that bit up. When I eventually make my video about Euronymous I'll make a point of quadruple-checking I've got everyone right 😆
While I don't agree with your opinions in this video, it's really well done. Kudos to you for watching it so many times. I got in I had to quit during my second watch through because I felt so embarrassed by how bad it was.
😆 Yeah, I get that. It is a bit cringe in a few places. Thanks for watching, and I appreciate the kudos!
you deserve more subs because this is actually amazing work
Thank you so much!
I really like your videos 🩷 your hard work is so obvious
Thank you so much! I like Sky too, but do agree her character was unnecessary and an obvious plot device.
You make high quality content! Well researched and funny as well, trve cvlt!
Thank you!
I'm definetely playing that drinking game (with myself)
I take no responsibility for any consequences, positive or negative, that result from you undertaking this drinking game.
Good luck!
Holy shit the sound effects
😂 I don't know if that's a compliment or a complaint, but I'll take it!
I did your drinking game and it got me so fucked up 😭😭
Nice one! I saw it once and it was a bit too teenager for me 😂 The best part was seeing Attilas son in it and that is almost the only thing I remember from it. The Helvete documentary was great so I think people should watch that instead.
Thanks! And yeah, Helvete is a fantastic documentary, it's definitely where people who want to know more should look.
Great video, can't wait for the euronymous one
Thank you!
“True Norwegian black metal” - Supermassive black hole
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Great video! I agree this movie is underrated :)
Thanks for watching! It's nice to see how many people actually did enjoy this movie.
that drinking game sounds rather fun...
I take no responsibility for any consequences, positive or negative, that result from anyone trying this drinking game!
That said, if you do try it, let me know how it goes!
I thought the chocolate milk was a nice touch..... He should've called himself Count Chocula instead
😂😂😂
Increíble análisis, muy buen trabajo.
Gracias!
Please turn on captions for us. TYSM!
Not to worry, I am looking into how to add captions to all my videos!
Edit: I'm such a noob, I had no idea I had to turn on captions. Captions have now been turned on to all my videos (in English at least), and I'll continue to work to make them as accurate and with proper spelling of names/places as possible. Thanks for bringing this to my attention!
His hair was cut for the Optopsy cause he had stabbed in the head. 37:15
I've heard it both ways, so unless I were ever able to see the photos for myself (which is not likely, as Norway is very strict with who can see such things), I guess people will just have to decide which story they want to believe.
I really hope to see you continuing the mayhem series😍😍❤️
I unironically love Varg's braids though 😍
They are pretty impressive, I agree!
The snow: people think Norway has snow year round or something. Oslo isn't Alaska, it's maybe a bit darker and colder than places in the Midwest United States, and Bergen is partially an Oceanic Climate, lots of rain!
Fair point, lol. I guess it's just one of those stereotypical associations, like how people expect Australia to be all red desert with no plants and kangaroos hopping down the street.
waiting for part 1,062 of Varg's review of this movie
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Where can I get a Trve Norwegian half-shirt?
Has to be an original 1980s shirt or else you're a poser and not TRVE NORWEGIAN BLACK METAL!
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I must say, there are things this movie did very well, and things I wish could’ve been done better. I’m 50/50 on it. Personally I didn’t think the actor who portrayed Varg as creepily and sadistic as i would’ve preferred, but it is what it is. I can’t help but think if this were a TV series we could’ve gotten more story out of this whole thing too.
I agree, a tv series would have been a great way to present this story, and the director did initially want to do a series so he could also get more into the 'side-characters' that made up the Black Circle, but unfortunately, not enough people would likely be interested.
another great piece of work and research!! i still like this movie, some accurate, some wrongs... but most inaccurate things are cause u can't resume such an history that lasted for years and complex characters in a less than 2 hr movie, some sometimes u need lies to imply truth. remembrance of my teenage years back then in early nineties ;) well keep doing ur impressive and enjoyable work!!!
Thank you! And yes, the problem with all biopics is you can't cram a whole life into 2 hours or less, and audiences wouldn't be interested in watching a movie that focuses on one or two years of a person's life. They need to appeal to as many people as possible, not just the mega-fans.
@@EveryFairyDies yep and that's why i highly recommend to see ur great work in ur vid 'Per Yngve Ohlin | Murdered by Metal' as a plus insight view about this sad and gloomy but legendary now story
@@arnaudolivetto8895 Thank you! I will also eventually do a video about Euronymous, though I'm gonna take a bit of a break from Mayhem for a while. I had a dream about the band the other night, and I was like, "I need to stop with the Mayhem stuff". 😂
@@EveryFairyDies lol omg yeah time to take a little break from Mayhen then :D even if looking further this Euronymous video, as well as ur other videos ;)
maybe a little spoiler on what it will be about? ^^
The movie was absolute crap but I deeply appreciate your research and time invested in making these videos about the black metal scene. Keep up the good work!
Thank you!
During the Deathcrush montage you put Maniac, well, next to Maniac aka Sven
Ugh, too many vocalists, not enough brain-width. Thanks!
10:14 best scene in the movie
Very much what I expect they were like in real life.
I could very well be wrong but im pretty sure yngve had light colored eyes instead of brown
It's hard to tell because the photos from back then aren't the high quality we're used to in this day and age, and so many photos he's got his eyes rolled back in his head, but yes, it does appear his eyes are light coloured.
people complaining that the movie was cringe never hung out with the average metalhead. cringe is almost always a part of the mix.
That is very true.
I know a lot of metalheads hate the movie and the lots of misinformation, but I have respect for the film, it pissed off Varg, and if anyone pisses of Varg, it's a damn good day lmfao. So as a metalhead, I give crops to the movie.
I agree, anything that pisses off Varg is worth the effort!
It's awful to see the way Pelle was treated. Did nobody think he needed to go to hospital for his issues? Did nobody think to call his parents? I believe that if he got the help he needed, he would have lived.
Mental health in the 1980/90s was very different from what it is today. I don't know if he would have lived, had he gotten help. He might have lived longer, but I fear that he was so intrinsically lost inside that he would have found a way.
Hey now to be fair 3:40 the bands themselves hate the fuckin thing😂
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DEATHLIKE SILENCEE!!
TRUE NORWEGIAN BLACK METAL!
where did you hear that Rory used his own hair? Because I am pretty sure it was a wig and the roots where just there to show that some time has passed maybe?
I read somewhere that Rory grew his hair out for the movie but then cut it when it seemed it wouldnt come out so they had to use a wig when they started filming.
No hate towards you! I really enjoy your videos and appreciate the work you put in them :)
It was mentioned in one of the interview on the Blu-Ray extras. Yes, Rory had been growing out his hair and almost cut it, because he didn't know if he'd gotten the part (which seemed to be a popular theme across this movie!) but luckily didn't get that far.
Thanks for watching!
I saw the film not long after it came out, having no prior knowledge of black metal history, and I rewatched it again recently. Love it just as much now, and in particular I love that chicken bone scene that you pointed out as disliking.
If it was proven that those things were actual skull fragments then it is disingenuous of the director to pretend otherwise, but I thought that that reveal was a fantastic conclusion to Euronymous's character arc in the film. Basically symbolizing that the whole scene was fake to begin with, and that he's over it. In a way he fools the audience too with that trick, and it humanizes him more in retrospect, knowing that he wasn't so fucked up as to take bits of his dead friend's skull for necklaces.
I agree it's a great scene, Rory and Emory are both really good in that moment, it's probably my favourite scene in the whole movie. And I totally understand why the director made that choice, for exactly the reasons you've listed.
Weirdly, I find it very disrespectful. I'm all for humanising Euronymous, but I felt it kind of cheapened the real-life fact that Euro basically commodified the body of someone he knew for clout.
But still a really great scene. Thanks for watching!
Every time this year, dark fog appeaRAH!
As a Finn, I was sure C is Finnish. I guessed that D was Norwegian, but I guess not then.
From what little information I could gather, the majority of the actors weren't European, sadly. Kiitos for watching!
I really like the movie. Finis.
I don't have a problem with it. Is it the greatest cinema to ever cinema in the history of cinema? No. But it's not horrible.
DING...DING...
It's almost Pavlovian, isn't it?! 😂
Floor did WHAT?!?!?!
She got a trim several months ago. It's hair, it grows back, and indeed, has done so.
i think they made varg intentionally more buff, the real one was much more handsome but you cant make someone with his worldview look good
I dunno, they're always making movies about Bundy and Dahmer using attractive actors. It's weird how in some photos young Varg looks really hot, than there's others where he looks quite chubby and different. I guess you just gotta make do with the cast you can afford/hire!
I like the movie.
Me too!
I wanna read the book but should I not because it’s not accurate, I wanna know wat percentage is facts in the book lol
The book is... wildly biased towards Varg and especially his Nazism. It's a fun read if you remember that everyone being interviewed is screwing with the authors and not being sincere or overly truthful. You can find a free copy on the Internet Archive: archive.org/details/lordsofchaosbloo00moyn/page/n7/mode/2up
Maybe one day I'll do a video about it, too!
good video
Thanks!
@@EveryFairyDies most balanced take on this movie I've ever seen. I enjoyed the movie for what it is, a movie (with some very well thought out little details you'll notice if you're a nerd about this stuff). always thought the hate it got was a bit over the top. cheers
@@petras8385 Thanks! It annoys me when people hate on something for no reason.
@@EveryFairyDies hey, since you said you were making a euronymous video, could you include the origin of how Euroman got the track "Silver Anfang" on deathcrush, and how he got the Cover image for deathcrush? I find both of them to be rather funny stories
@@a77ackeranimations20 Oh, not to worry, all that will be covered. The video will likely end up being 5 hours long, and will still likely not tell every story, but I am determined to make it as in-depth as possible, which will mean including as many stories as I can find!
39:46 may I remind you that the particular fans who do that are like 16 and only know about Mayhem via the movie in the first place
Oh, believe me, not all of them. The body ages but the mind stays young and still obsesses over those teenage things (the 'poignant' commenter was a mother in her 30s who was aware of the album cover's backstory). But thanks for watching!
@@EveryFairyDiesThat was my fanfic that you used in that segment…
@@siciliansyren Does it have a happy ending?!
@@EveryFairyDies I plan on it..he didn’t really have a happy ending in this one..I’m still in the process of writing it 😁
@@siciliansyren I'm both saddened and kinda gratified by that. I would have been very disappointed had it been one of those "all he needed was the love of a good woman to show him life was worth living!" stories. But don't stop writing!
Idk if I’m on the mark with this one, but I feel like this movie has something to do with true Norwegian black metal…
So close, it's trve Norwegian black metal. But I get it's very subtle and hard to notice. The movie really doesn't say it out loud several times.
I just found your channel today and i love it. I love finding long form metal content and docs like this. I showed my ex gf as well as my mom lords of chaos and they loved it just for it being a big production movie about black metal and so did i, though i can def see why people dont like it
Thank you so much! I also love really long-form media content (obviously 😂) and it's great to have such amazing feedback. I quite enjoy the movie, and also intend to show it to my mom!
I’m pretty sure NecroButcher has confirmed the cat hunting… Allthough I don’t think he was ever successful on the hunts.
I read a story that Pelle chased one cat with a spear, but when he had the opportunity to kill it, he didn't take it. Maybe he thought the foe unworthy of him...
Bro it isn’t just about them not having accents they can’t even pronounce their own names correctly
I also thought it hilarious how real-life Varg only refers to Euronymous as "Oystein". Never Euronymous. Like he's trying to prove some kind of point. Which is especially ironic given how many name changes Varg's gone through.
Varg was portrayed in a completely fictional way purely for political reasons.
What kind of politics?
He burned churches because of Óðinn temples are churches. Churches are literally Óðinn animals, plants and objectal sacrifices. Varg did it not because some satanic stuff but it's for Aryan Nordic Germanic faith but the imagery looked "satanic".
Is 'Aryan' really a better reason than 'Satan'? Personally, I'd rather Satan, but since this is Varg we're talking about, yes, he claimed to have burned churches because of paganism instead of Satanism.
Mayhem is one of my favorite bands and Pelle holds a very special place in my heart. I don't really understand the hate this movie gets, like yeah, it's a fucking popcorn mainstream movie, without any pretense of being historicall accurate, whaddya expect? But it's a picture of time, when most of my favourite bands were founded, and movie does a decent job in depicting said era, which I really appreciate.
Like dude, you can see motherfucking Dead onscreen, what can you possibly ask for?! More focus on music, perhaps, but that won't be as appealing to average audience. the Black Circle is infamous for all of the drama and tragedy surrounding it; so choice is obvious, when it comes to which part of the events is more fit for a movie.
Nevertheless, great vid, but where is promised Euronymous video, you poser? :)
Thank you! I will be getting to Euroymous in 2024, I swear!
Eventually.
When I get around to it.
😁
There's a lot to go through, even more than Pelle. The problem with researching these guys and this era is there's so much bullshit to sift through. But I will get to it!
This movies had a great story to work with, if the acting and cinematography weren't shit, that would make it so much more enjoyable.
I didn't think the cinematography was too bad. I thought the church burning scene with Varg, Euro and Faust was quite well done. But yes, acting was rather cringe in a few places.
love ur videos wtf@@EveryFairyDies
@@dimadurasov1160 Thank you!
Very few would probably care about black metal without this kind of mythology and hero worship type...stuff. I think is excellent metal but just a sad fact that just like a lot of people like Fleetwood Mac because of the band drama, the same could be said for a lot of black metal.
Necrobutcher has said in interviews, a lot of people come to their shows more because of the band's history than their music, calling Mayhem "a travelling murder show". Black Metal will never be my favourite of the metal subgenres, but I appreciate what it's trying to do. Thanks for watching!
waiting for the purist to point out some iof the inaccuracies in your truth, lies and what actually happend section
Same. 😆
I liked lords of chaos
Me too, I didn't think it was that bad!
I also thought that inside mayhem there was also Lang barrier why pelle was kind of isolate, he didn't understand Norway and they were not good with English either, so also noticed that Google advertising this drama movie so it's gotta have a lot of false storytelling
Yes, there was the language barrier where they spoke to each other in English, so that also kept Pelle isolated.
Can't remember who said it, but in a review, they said, "If you're looking for it to portray Norwegian black metal accurately, look elsewhere, but if that doesn't bother you, you'll enjoy it after all it says based on truth and lies and delivers on that tag line" personally not a fan my only issue is idiots who take ot all as true and ignore the tagline.
That's a good description! Many people take biographical movies as entertaining documentaries, and rarely do their own research.
@EveryFairyDies I think the only movie based on a band that was accurate was the dirt. Even in that movie, they make corrections saying "this makes the movie more entertaining or didn't have enough time to include X person"
@@Chamiliatic I need to see that movie.
@EveryFairyDies you should it's pretty good, and I'm sure you can make a good video out of it, too.
Another fantastic video, I enjoy it much more than actual black metal
Thank you! I admit, I'm not the biggest fan of black metal, but it has such a... let's go with rich history!
I liked the movie. Black Metal fans who take Black Metal way too seriously were very upset at the inaccuracy, but it honestly didn't bother me at all. I'm a fan of Burzum's music, but Varg is an extremely awful person. The movie felt like a parody of Black Metal in a lot of ways, but as someone who doesn't take Black Metal seriously, I found some of that stuff to be hilarious.
Same. Let's face it, edgy Black Metal kids are epically cringe and utterly hilarious. So easily trolled, too... 😆
@@EveryFairyDies Black Metal is pretty cringe, it's almost a parody of itself lol
Its a common misconception that the book was extremely off. It wasn't that off really. People first started projecting hate as Varg, who disagrees with everything and everyone. I should know personally. Anyhow, point is that the movie is 100% off. No doubt. Its just that the two cant be compared. If one is to look at the book objective and with sources and interviews to the real aspects on trial here. People didn't disagree when it came out. It was much later on. And yes I am Scandinavian myself.
I have read the book, and while the facts of the case presented in the book are certainly true (Euro was a bit of a dick, he did what he did to Pelle, he had a falling out with Varg that ultimately resulted in his death), I think there was a certain amount of trolling going on from the interviewees, as well as a certain bias towards Varg and his... more extreme views. But thanks for watching!
I mean it was a excellent movie, the movie said it contains lies it wasnt supposed to be 100% real to life
I agree. Too many people forget that movies are fiction, even ones that are based on true stories. At least this one was honest in its opener that it wouldn't be 100% accurate.
Until the light takes us is more interesting but I liked LOC for what it was
Well, UtLTU is a documentary, whereas LOC is just a movie, but I'm glad to see it's not as universally hated as some like to pretend. Thanks for watching!
@@EveryFairyDies Correct
@@kevinsmith7-7-7 Ding!
@@EveryFairyDies What did I win?
@@kevinsmith7-7-7 A cookie! 🍪
I'd feel some level of disdain for this film if I'd either seen it or didn't think black metal fans were the most cringe motherfuckers on the planet. Will probably give it a watch after this.
I highly advise it with the drinking game! You don't have to use alcohol, any vice will suffice. Thanks for watching.
Of course it’s a lot of rubbish…
of course their’s inaccuracies…
of course it’s mostly cringe…
Of course I watch it all the time!!!
😂😂
Dead's wig was annoying, they made euronymous nicer than he actually was, i cringed everytime they yelled Satan.
Nobody cares that Varg got hurt cuz they portrayed him like that. he makes great music but i dont like him.
Ugh, that wig. It haunts my nightmares! And thanks for watching!
@EveryFairyDies I hated it a LOT . And your video is just perfect.
@@thevortex- 😆 Thanks!
That movie was full of lies and distortions that were utterly unnecessary, and certain characters were butchered beyond recognition, no puns intended.
No pun may have been intended but I laughed anyway! 😂
@@EveryFairyDies I'm not going to admit to laughing at my own joke. :P
This movie resides in a category I like to call “the lie that tells the greater truth”. A lot of the details are probably goofy…Varg going on fucking sprees, timelines and things of that nature. But at the end of the day, what was Mayhem? A band of awkward, socially weird kids who stumbled into enough controversy to gain international attention. Let’s just call it like it is. I think that Dead and Euronymous were probably *a lot* less mysterious than black metal fans would have you believe. Varg has proven himself to be an ultra right wing maniac who isn’t above murder. Churches were burned, regardless of who was responsible. People were killed…and the most mediocre metal genre in history (sorry…) was born as a result. I like Burzum, I like certain, early Mayhem cuts and some stuff from the various “one man bands” that have popped up…but let’s not pretend that these kids invented the wheel. They played trem licks, minor chords and disturbing intervals with famously bad production.
"The lie that tells the greater truth", I like that! And I agree, people love to mysticise these guys, make it all out to be way more 'crazy' and 'edgy' than it actually was. While I think they did create something unique musically, as you say, they aren't the reinventors of the wheel people like to paint them as.
Look, I'm an old bastard by now. Still actively making music though. But... the whole Mayhem lore thing is frankly pointless, albeit entertaining. Yes, they layd down a lot of ground work. But, they were a bunch of kids with whatever issues. Hear me out... I am quite sure the majority of black metal fans (not fanatics) are all pushing towards a grandeouis mid-life-crisis. So I honestly think we should just realise that the Mayhem saga was executed by a bunch of kids. If some teenagers or early 20-year-olds today did the same thing, we would most likely shrug it off as childish wankery.
Oh, I already shrug it off as childish wankery. I think, as you say, it's the fanatics and edge lords who are the most interested in continuing the 'mystique' of Mayhem. I do wonder about how people like Necrobutcher and Fenriz have changed over the years, as while they're not as bad as Varg, they did kind of buy into their own bullshit. Now they're in their 50s, I wonder how the real world forced them to grow up.
I should have watched the video until the end before commenting 😅
I comment on stuff before watching the whole thing all the time 😂@@DJPhukk
@@EveryFairyDies Hahahaha! I have a good excuse though. I was in a country with crappy internet when I watched the first third of the video 😂
As someone also in a country with crappy internet, I feel your pain. Stupid Australia. Give me back my UK wifi!!!!@@DJPhukk
This was a narrative movie. Its called historical fiction. Getting mad at this movie getting things wrong is like getting mad at shakespeare for Julius Caeser. It was a great movie. The character of Euronymous is a seperare entity from the person of euronymous etc, obviously. The creative liberties added to make it a cool movie were all sweet. Giving euronymous a girlfriend and having him trying to leave the scene at the emd was a great narrative touch. Who cares thats not what actually happened? Its a good story. Its also obvious that a lot of the stories from the people that were there were made up so you cant trust a lot ofbthe source material either.
I don't disagree that this is an historical fiction movie, and I also enjoyed the original moments they created because I don't care for the way Euronymous is demonised by people. I liked how they humanised him and reminded people he was just an idiot edge lord kid.
Having said that, I do think it's important a biopic have more accuracy than inaccuracy. Movies like Braveheart are an affront to everyone, whereas Titanic is brilliant despite the main characters not being based on any living/dead persons. I tend to classify Lords of Chaos as being more Titanic than Braveheart.
Were they all a bunch of Jews playing the parts of the actual People or what i had the book Im definitely going to pass on the Movie
Uh, well, one of the lead actors is Jewish, yes. It's a far more accurate story than the book, despite the title.
Oh, "actual people", I get it - haha- so clever, so superior...I could never be superior, I just can't put in all the effort required to find out someone's ancestry or religious beliefs before I can allow myself to like them &/or accept them as a fellow human being. I just find it WAAAY easier to judge people on their actions & their behaviour towards myself & others. Guess I'm just too lazy to be superior.
You and me we can talk as my local church i just can’t help but laugh who do think you are?!!
You got a problem with my work, feel free to make your own rebuttal video.