The Juan Diaz daemonettes are, in my opinion, the best Slaanesh models. When GW resold them a few years ago I got several sets of both Seekers and foot daemonettes.
I think they're fine. No one goes to an art museum, looks at greek statues and proclaims it to be pornography, or otherwise too overtly sexual. It's no different from seeing bare breasts on the mermaid figurehead of a sailing ship. That and it's weird for people to be okay with the extreme violence of GW's universes and yet express shock and distaste for a small amount of nudity.
A simple, sleek, and smooth model. It had no frills so it could act as a perfect canvas for painters. I greatly appreciate Juan Diaz's sculpts, pretty sure he sculpted Krell from WHFB too.
kinda shows the difference between the Diaz and more modern Scuplts. all of Diaz's scuplts are Dynamic and intresting. that the real difference between the old and new Deamonettes, the old ones had way more movement and character, the newer ones just kinda stand there....
Nudes have always been a part of the art scene since the beginning. If you view minis as a form of art, and I do, I see no problem with including some nude figures, both men and women, to the table, as long as it tells part of the story.
Diversity also means, that nude models are included. For me it's about if it makes sense or not. Slaanesh demons nude? Fitting. Vampires? Fitting. Witch elves? Fitting. The problem is, when EVERY female model is looking like that, then it's not ok.
Best daemonettes; the current Seekers are terrible. The current ones are bow-legged over their mounts while the metal ones look perched, ready to dive off onto some unfortunate. EDIT: I don't think the cast slipped on the face, a lot of the artwork for the Daemonettes of that era had a mutation where part of their face was stretched back, like it was smeared.
Always fascinating to see nudity being a sensitive subject and 'not for everyone' but extreme violence and gore are par for the course. If the hobby has indeed matured, we can show and see nudity as more than just fan service for horny nerds. Anyway, great work as always! I was skeptical about using the same colors for both the daemonette and the steed, but your texture work really differentiated them.
@@noosa187 i know this isn't the intent behind your comment but how you justified models with tits I had this mental image of a 300 fedora guy jacking off to his Slaanesh models.
@@BrendanRaymondKoroKoro I know this. That's why I find these arguments of "They sexualized her/it/him," so fucking stupid cause I can find images or videos online that are way more jack off able. But still, that image popped in my head and I laughed a good bit because of it. I am a very twisted person sometimes.
@@Gumlass1 No we can recognize it can be art (at least some of us) but I don't see bare tits as applicable for a tabletop game. If the model is a display piece fine. But if you have say twenty bare chested ladies running around in a tabletop game that looks a little worse in my view.
Truthfully, the mold slippage with your paint actually works really well. S/he isn't supposed to be alluring up close, and the warped face you see upon closer inspection really speaks to that.
TBH Daemonettes were one of the few boobie models I always thought made sense, it didn't feel like boobs for the sake of boobs but more of a true artistic choice.
Idk i don't think that titty demons discredits the hobby all that much. I feel that this is still plenty artistic and the sculptors of the future models shouldn't be constantly paranoid about optics of the hobby, seems counterproductive.
It depends where and how. Titty demons Slaneesh i mean, is okay, even expected i can say. Sexy big boobies females in 40k just because "muh boobies" like some """""""""female Tau warrior"""""""""" models some company have? Well, that's cheap and pretty cringe.
@@BrendanRaymondKoroKoro Because it brings down the respectability of something, we have moral codes. And yes, i'd be fine with someone 3d printing their own cringey stuff, if they want to ogle at naked female models. But, if your playing a game with strangers or semi-strangers, you should be following basic morals and propriety. Such as bathing, dressing cleanly (not slovenly), not using overt sexual models. The model shown is a good mix of nudity and propriety, lots of action. It shows off the deamonette's charms without being gross, and showing its a daemon of lust. the model quality could be better, but if it was a different pose it could be gross. But, this model was tastefully done. I would like to see more of models above, we got plenty of gore and grim stuff, lets do some scantily clad stuff, but tastefully; not too much to be overwhelming but change the pace.
If you're into this style of miniatures, boy do I have a company for you: Raging Heroes. The poses are fierce and dynamic, the style is unic and the casting is absolutely perfect. Price is reasonable, highly recommended.
@@the.rogue.roman.77 And the homepage has that damnable PopUp constantly saying: "Someone in (yourgeneralarea) just bought xxxxx-model" ...to stress visitors into also buying whatever the company tries to sell the most of atm. I fkn HATE that kind of stress-baiting marketing.
@@the.rogue.roman.77 what does that mean? Is finecast a warhammer specific thing? Raging Heroes models brittle, that's for sure. I'm more of a modeler than a gamer, so I'm used to that. But they are crisp!
Raging heroes and the JD Daemonettes are the exact opposite. Raging heroes is all about exaggerated motions and poses. The JD daemonettes are subtle and lithe. Sure they have nekkidness but that’s not what makes them great models. The ridiculous flair and hair is coincidentally also the thing that makes the current daemonettes trash IMO
I don't think anyone needs to apologize for sexualized art. It's art, and if someone doesn't like it, don't look at it. People aren't up in arms about porn. I say this as a dude with a side hustle selling pin-up art.
I'm of a mixed opinion. Should a model like this be the main option if its meant to appeal to a wider audience? Probably not, but you'd be surprised by how many people don't mind sexy models but it certainly SHOULD be an available and easy to access option. Part of the appeal of Warhammer, to me, is just how over the top it is and the old daemonettes kind of embody that in a way the new ones don't. The new ones certainly don't feel like anything someone might actually be attracted to in any way at least. To say the hobby has evolved past models like these is, to me, to imply that these models are somehow bad or distasteful just by nature of their design...and to be honest, that's just a stance I don't agree with. This is simply a change, neither better or worse on its own. To me, its worse but it might not be to you or others.
I think they should keep the extreme stuff because it's part of the niche, and the Wider Audience Myth has killed more franchises than actual censorship. Chasing it, i.e. trying to force a fad, is a strategy with "a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it," corporate-speak for "we're about to deliberately destroy our own niche."
I mean, trying to get people of my acquaintance into warhammer has been known to founder on old slaanesh models. They do drive some people away from the hobby. IMO the current models have gone a bit too far towards the "Mutated and awful" look, which doesn't make so much sense for the core Slaanesh things of sleekness, elegance and being the very best (like noone ever was). There are good Slaanesh daemon models. The Masque and the Infernal Enrapturess for example. They don't need to be made of bewbs, they just need to have less of the Chaos Undivided all horns and claws look to them.
@@ILoveDemocracry Like every hobby it's for anyone who likes it for what it is. Which has to be understood as different from "fOr eVeRyOnE." If the content of the hobby drives people away, I honestly hope those people find some other hobby whose content they enjoy and subculture they're comfortable in. Which has to be understood as the exact opposite of starting a real-life political invasion of mine.
@@saeyabor How is it a political invasion for women to not like being objectified? Overt NSFW content is not a core part of the hobby. The hobby is about painting, collecting, and fighting armies against one another. Not showing how the female characters have big breasts. And what do you mean by an invasion? Are you so afraid of women playing tabletop games that you think they are some hostile occupying force? The 40k/AOS/WHFB hobby ought to be open and accessible to anyone who wants to collect and paint minis, and fight them on the tabletop in the grim darkness of the far future, or in the Old World. To claim that people shouldn't be allowed in if they object to sexualisation of female characters is like claiming that DnD should be limited only to those who meet the stereotype of the 1980's DnD player.
@@ILoveDemocracry You're making a lot of assumptions here. I dont see where anyone claimed the hobby shouldnt be open to all. Its pretty damn open to everyone. I also dont see where one set of models being overtly sexual somehow gatekeeps the ENTIRE warhammer universe from women. Thats a little much. I dont see how you can really accuse Games Workshop of objectifying women in the first place, they have no history of making "sexy" females. It is a bit sad that one faction of the game is relatively ignored because they cant really make any models to theme without offending someone. Whether the models male or female, or both, which Androgyny is a big part of Slaanesh, the whole faction is gonna make some people clutch their pearls. In that regard I agree with what Saeyabor is saying. The game is open to everyone, theres a faction for everyone. But If someone is turned of from the ENTIRE universe because one small faction has boobies, we should probably just let those people move along. Its like saying I dont read books because sexy romance novels exist. Or I dont watch movies, because some of them have boobies in them.
Nudity is part of arts since... arts exist. It's what make arts timeless. A naked body sculpted 3000 years ago represents the same kind of human we are now.
@@BrendanRaymondKoroKoro Body shapes variety isn't something to be ashamed of. Again if we look at ancient art productions, generous forms were during a long period considered as more appealing.
@@BrendanRaymondKoroKoro Even if GW made nudity a common them in the tabletop I'd definitely keep it out of the house when I have kids, but separate from that I don't really think nudity is totally necessary. The nipples out thing is just scandalous for scandal's sake in my opinion, the same effect can be achieved with rags and jewelry placed in certain places and bare skin everywhere else.
One out of production miniature that my best friend had to track down for his goblins was the Night Goblin flipping the bird. Fits goblins pretty well and once on the battlefield he is insulting everyone.
I remember that model. They were the doom gliders. Was reading an old White Dwarf back in the days. And said to myself, is that goblin giving the bird? Funny that it was.
I liked this line of Daemonettes. Their heads and knives had a weird, tribal, alien beauty. I didn’t care much about the bare skin, and honestly kind of like the newer armor they wear, I just liked the heads and arms.
"Alien beauty" is the real keyword. Remember, they weren't _our_ daemons originally, but the Eldar's. Slaaneesh daemons' appearances were a thumb in the eye at _their_ perversion, largely sexual in nature, and the subsequent repression of the Craftworlders. While I'm not a huge Eldar fan, it's nice seeing Chaos mess around with a species who _aren't_ the gosh-darned over-exposed humans for once... stupid mon-keigh thinking they're the center of the universe all the time...
Agreed, I would have loved to have gotten all the Juan daemonettes with just the knife hands. If you think about it, Slaanesh is a beguiler and having troops that would have the army questioning "wait, why are we shooting the women?" would totally fit in.
I think they should keep the extreme stuff because it's part of the niche, and the Wider Audience Myth has killed more franchises than actual censorship. Chasing it (i.e. trying to force a mainstream fad) is a strategy with "a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it," corporate-speak for "we're about to let a marketing degree convince us to deliberately destroy our own niche." And it's possible I'm being overly generous to "broader appeal" by comparing it to censorship like they're different things, because it's a form of "prior restraint" censorship, and recently or potentially becoming more widespread is what makes something a viable target for a "moral panic" (ex: Harry Potter was at the height of its first wave of popularity, with 3/7 books and the first movie's trailers out, when Evangelicals went full Sarkeesian on it 10 years pre-Sarkeesian).
Actually, GW still currently makes one model that is NSFW. The Bloodwrack Medusa out of the Daughters of Khaine Cauldron of Blood Kit. She's got a boob hanging out.
Also I know it's forgeworld, but it's playable in AoS Gitz army: Troggoth Hag. Maybe not oggling material, but those saggy badonkers are immense. Also has a naked booty
"The lore was written to supplement the models" Yes and no. If this was something as one-off as a single unit otherwise out of place in the setting then yes, absolutely. But it's a demon of Slaanesh, the god of pleasure, excess, and hedonism. It's stupid for it not to have boobs.
These ARE the best sculpts GW ever made. I don't mean it just for "eheh, boobs" but because of the effectivity and elegance of the design. They are a perfect example of what GW has lost.
The Witch Elves that came out around this period were absolutely glorious. As for Daemonette mammaries go, the original line of models from the 1980s (with smaller claws) had a lot of them hanging out.
"the reason they did it is pretty transparent." Did anybody else start hearing Ted Dibiase's theme music in their heads. "Money Money, Money, Money, Money! Muahahahahahahahaha!"
You are absolutely right Juan Diaz is an incredible sculpture for making all these models. How can he not be after making these seekers with only one hand
You painted the facial slip wonderfully and it adds to the body horror aspect of the slaaneshi daemons. Their split jaw and crooked smile make them appear far more menacing.
Thank you for doing these and explaining each step you take. Seeing what I can improve upon on my painting skills is a huge boon to me. Please keep doing these videos. I really REALLY appreciate seeing the process.
I think given how many options wargame minis have these days, a sexy option would be fine, as long as yeah it's not the only option, even from a lore perspective Slaanesh represents excess in all forms, the horny (tm) is only part of that
what I like to do with face-based model slippage is to hide it by making a half-mask that covers the most damaged-warped side of the face. It's fiddly work but it helps to hade imperfections in the model.
Personally, I miss these more NSFW models; maybe I am just a greasy old nerd. Still, if Slaanesh wants to be the God of Sex, Drugs, and Rock & Roll, this helped. I'm not a big fan of current Slaaneshi mini themes. As for your work, I think this turned out great! I really do like your colors choices, and think you did a fine job. As silly as this will sound, I think my favorite bit, though, is the tail. I think you did a marvelous job blending the two pieces together, so it looks, to me, like they were always a single, sculpted piece. I don't see any gapping, or a faint trace of the seam. I'm sure it's just a skill I lack, but it's nice on your Steed. Thank you for sharing! Like I said, I sometimes miss these old minis. I know the quality of sculpts has improved over the years, through plastic, pewter, and resin, but I got into the hobby in 3e; back in the early 2000s, and my friend who introduced me to it mained a Noise Marines army with some of these, so even if I'm a greasy need, nostalgia.
You know the face having its wonkiness works pretty well with a bit of headcannon. A bit of warp instability is affecting the face of the daemonette,the conflicting desires of the various individuals watching it charge at them causing it to warp and distort. To some weaker minds it sports a near angelic face of desire,while the stronger willed see a glimpse into the abyss that is the excessive cruelty that comes from serving the prince of excess.
Ah the Juan daemonettes. probably one of my favorites. I also love first generation (because... thats was the first I had), and 4th (current?). 2nd generation derpy "Clawettes" I dont fancy a bit though. They cant even stand up because they are so top heavy (some of them). Nice paintjob. Realy fabulous. On the subject of "The hobby has bacome more Mature now". I disagree. It was a better time back then. Quality/tech was cruder, but it was more free and open. Would argue it was more mature back then, then today where everyone is afraid to express them selves, walking on eggshells, getting offended, triggered and anxious about almost anything, and not talking about gatekeeping and cancelation if you try to express it. And whats more mature about gore, grim dark, agony and murder, compared to artistic/splendid nudity? Whats up with that? Well, cheers.
Fantastic job on this model! I do have to say that it is a very unique americanism to focus so much on nudity. Were they artbooks for anything not related to a wargame and/or of the arts in general no one would say much (well, almost no one, the deeply religious and/or conservative will always complain but who cares?). The fact that americans in general are so worried about this and not about dismembered corpses, gore and violence is always so odd to see. And in these minis is not even the main focus, these minis have a grace and style that no current GW models share, dare i say in any faction. I'd love to have an army of these if i had a chance. And nice summary on Juan's models, he is a good dude, since he's a friend of the owner of my local game store we tended to see him around once in a while before the plague. Have seen him model stuff and he's *GOOD!*
And these days the conservative probably wouldn't complain about them either (though the deeply religious would), it would be the more liberal minded. Even as an American, I can't tell why we fixate so much on nudity/sex appeal being bad but have no qualms about over the top violence being glorified. It never really struck me until I heard about other culture's viewpoints either that I went 'wait...yeah, that is kind of weird isn't it?'. Honestly though, that model looks good and it feels unique to GW models and especially WH 40k models, which is a good thing. I look at it and I get all the important information. Sleek and fast, subtle danger, and a hankering for violence wrapped up in a lust/feminine package. I look at the new Slaanesh models and I don't really get any of that, I get much more of a 'pink/purple Khorne demon vibe' which is not ideal to be honest. Plus, for something you're supposed to look at and see something appealing until its tearing your guts out, aka Distracted by the Sexy to use trope speak, I can't imagine looking at any of the current Slaanesh models and going 'man, can't wait to get them to bed ddjdkdagkj my gutttts!' cause their design clashes so oddly with their intent. Even in a 'supposed to focus just on what you find attractive' lore perspective, there's nothing attractive about them, they completel miss the androgynous mark which, weirdly enough for Juan's models, is actually there. I mean, remove the chest and you could just as easily have a feminine looking guy or a fit looking woman.
I mean the US was founded by mostly puritans and other protestant groups and that shaped alot of the values going forward. One of the primary reasons they bailed from Europe in the first place was the fact they viewed the current attitudes and culture as unacceptable.
@@BrendanRaymondKoroKoro Well a vast majority of the american populace consisted of these particular groups. It really wasn't until modernity that any other religious groups of any significant numbers appear. I mean even Catholics wer/are e a small minority. Its one of the reasons the Italians and Irish were so loathed when they started arriving. They did not pass the 'purity' standards. Modern times people are much less religious, but the culture of purity and views on cultural things still remain. Just look at the Karen archetype.
That is one hell of a finely painted demonette. I remember when they first appeared with the 6th edition Chaos Armies book for WFB (before making the jump to the 3rd edition CSM Codex ver 2.0), thought they looked in line with what Slannesh was. Funny you mention the Lore being used to justify a commercial decision as that's what happened with female space marines back in the late 80s, when it became clear that gamers of that era weren't wanting girl models
This is what happened with every decision made throughout GW history. The reason why they don't make xenos anymore is because xenos don't sell as well as they used too (mayhaps because GW itself started the whole Spahs marheens circeljerk). It's pretty obvious that AS became their own army (as opposed to a footnote in a codex) when GW realized there actually was a market for female space marines. The lore almost always validates commercial decisions, not the other way around.
@@ArmandDupin They literally just did a Necrons refresh as well as an Ork refresh. On top of this the rumor which correctly predicted the Ork and Black Templar releases has a Craftworlds range refresh coming out next year that was already delayed. I think GW proved to itself, again, that it can make any of its races sell well provided they give them proper support with Sisters of Battle. Prior to the 8th ed release the entire range was more or less from 2nd edition outside of the vehicles and Celestine, they were nowhere to be seen on the tabletop. Since then they've become one of the most popular factions with their range refresh. Space Marines have always been favored, it's not something recent, every single edition they had the most releases and the most subfaction rules. Even back in 2nd edition there were 4 loyalist Space Marine factions. You're telling me that they can make Sisters of Battle cool, but they can't make Eldar cool? I'm not saying SoB are boring, but they're power armored women with bolters who use rhino
These miniatures (and those on foot) are among my favourite GW ever released. Juan Diaz inspired Allan Carrasco's daemonette that won gold at 2007 french Golden Demon. That's the one on the cover of the book presented at 11:30. Cheers from France!
Respectfully disagree. No restrictions should be applied on creativity. Games Workshop has abandoned its heritage and the players are leaving. I fully support a company's desire to be more mainstream, however any customer is fully obligated to voice their opinions or patronise companies that cater to their needs. Frank Frazetta and Julie Bell, even Brom would never have seen the success they did, had today's sanctimonious mainstreaming of niche interests existed in their day. Here's to better days.
daft preposal at the back of your gw store you could have a over 18s area hidden by velvet be where the NSFW range could could live. and for play in public the minis could have little bags to cover them on the table. :)
The lore was written before the models. Daemonettes used to be extremely explicit. The slaves to darkness books for example. They were written for third edition warhammer fantasy battles and rogue trader.
Came out awesome, love the mix of beauty and beast, it gives more of a body horror vibe like something from "The Thing", i think its cool and fitting but would love to see more variety in them
I would say that yes, it is fine. After all, it’s a universe where people blow up planets and burn a lot of stuff. Considering that the premise is pretty dark I think that we can handle bit of naughtiness. Or maybe I just want to find some justification for not minding. Is it just me or is the seeker oddly cute? Maybe the charming spell of the creature got reversed from the rider to the stead.
what is always funny is to put a single metal model instead of a captain in a unit and make him stay as the last one and make shure your friend lifts it expecting a plastic model and is suprised of the weight
The small stripes is a great technique! I did that on my bald heads in my kill team, and I find that it lightens up the skin while not looking like shit
The moldline issue makes it even better in my opinion. It gives the face a really unnatural feeling, just what i would expect from a creature of the warp.
The OG Citadel miniature was the C series wizard Samantha Phox. I remember seeing it as a PC miniature a few times. If you had a female wizard, she was almost mandatory.
I have something like thirty diazettes unassembled and ten seekers. I think they were closer to the lore in terms of looks Lithe, pretty, but also dangerous. With daemonettes being tempers and also terrifying slaughterers a mix of new and old models would make a really neat army, I bet. As for the nudity we have many ways of making cloth or other coverings if you feel the need. And the color scheme came out great. Moving the blue toward purple would have made it feel more Slaaneahi, I think. But it might not have looked quite as good. Excellent job
I do love the Diaz Daemonettes (and anything by Juan Diaz for that matter). Best minis ever? Nah. Fan-service for sweaty nerds? Sure. But to me they use the ‘333’ rule of miniature design/painting to play into the model’s lore in an interesting way, which IMO makes them better than the crab-claw and modern plastic interpretations. There are variations to the 333 rule, but in general, it states that a good mini will grab your attention at 3 yards, wow you at 3 feet, and then blow you away at 3 inches. The Diazmonettes use this rule and our monkey brains to great effect - At 3 yards you notice the lithe shape and exposed skin so you go in for a closer look. At 3 feet you start ogling the booba. And finally, at 3 inches you horrified by the details: noseless faces, fangs, claws, and that there are actually 3 pairs of booba… you got horny and now your head is getting gnawed off. This deception sells the idea of daemonettes to me, and also reminds me of the very first apostle in the very first chapter of Berserk. I totally understand if someone is put off by them though. They are a cool one-off thing, but I wouldn't want an entire smut-themed army.
All the lesser daemonettes in my army are the old Juan Diaz, they are seductive yet gross, sleek and aggressive. The newer models are just hideous harpy crones I like your paint job, you managed to get the most out of that figure
Looks great. Really like the texture work done. Yeah, there was very little you could do with the face and you did a good job. The only other options I can think of would be to cut out and replace the face (difficult and could be worse) or to paint it asymmetrical like Two Face from Batman's universe. Nice closing to the video too.
I have a squad of these daemonettes on foot; have yet to find any seekers though. They're awesome models that I'll get around to painting some day. I don't have a problem with these; it's sad that some people do... But then, Michaelangelo's David has his detractors as well. Nice job on yours btw!
My man! Excellent paint very understated yet maintaining the proper Slaneesh appeal. I'd love to see an old school Keeper in the same style it was my favorite big point piece,30 years ago. From the dawn of war hammer,well done young man❗✌
@@greenyeti9078 only neckbeards in my area. Children are playing fortnite and minecraft nowadays, at least it looks like that in my area. A few highschoolers here are playing magic. Thats pretty much it.
I want those daemonettes but not enough to pay 100 bucks for them. They closer fit what I picture when I think of Slaanesh: twisted, otherworldly beauty and grace. They're technically sexy and attractive, but it's been put through the distorted lens of that lovable pervert god. I also appreciate that they were actually female while all the other daemons were male. I don't think they're 100% perfect. Like you said they are a little too generically sexy and could do with some more flavor. I think Raging Heroes actually makes a better version of these, but overall I think they look fantastic. Those blue/pink horror were actually really cool too. I haven't seen them before and they're so much better then the modern dorky looking ones.
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The heads the posing are certainly their best attributes, and give them the look of what Slaanesh is about. Beauty and violence in excess, tempting and horrifying.
I think Slaanesh is the only GW faction that really warrants this kind of model because their whole deal is that they're about extremes of pleasure and pain and they're always modelled a bit uncanny and strange, as opposed to just being objectifying. I do think it's good that some of the modern line are quite androgynous, as that reflects the ambiguous gender of the god they represent, but having some explicitly male-presenting sexy demons would have the potential to balance things a bit. When I see models from other factions trying to do the sexy thing I'm less inclined to accept it as something that this person would wear into battle and that has a lot to do with the art style. Female gladiators definitely showed as much, if not more, of their bodies as their male counterparts but I doubt they looked like modern swimwear models or wore armour that was sculpted to show off their tits and arse.
I was around 8 years old when I had these. My family would just buy me anything to do with warhammer. I always felt a bit weird that they had their jibbly bits out 😆
Love that model, Should get another, chrome plate it and mount it to the hood of your car as your hood ornament..Chrysler eat your heart out. It would go with the nice with the dice hanging from your rear vision mirror ;)
@EonsOfBattle, very nice! Out of curiousity, you mentioned that you prefer wood glue for basing. Is there a reason why you prefer the wood glue over standard super glue or PVA? Curious to know. Thanks!
This is how the Tyranids should be designed, sleek, swift and deadly. Instead of the heaps-of-spikes they are currently. More H.R. Giger, less Bionicle bikers.
I've got a stack load of those booby demons, but I kind of abandoned trying to paint them up because I couldn't find the right colours or texture. I am definitely going to steal Jay's recipe, especially the stripes. I think mold slippage must have affected a LOT of those demonette minis; probably half the ones I own have got that exact same problem, although - perhaps fortunately - it's more of a horizontal axis slippage. I would *not* recommend buying this metal demonettes to anyone who doesn't like spending time and effort trying to erase nasty mold lines over fine detail. They are a PITA. Most people have forgotten the original 1980's 1st edition version; they look kind of sucky *unless* you look a bit more closely and notice what's going on with them: They are male on one side and female on the other - split down the middle. Which is why they look so odd.
I had many of these models, but sold them off as I don't play Fantasy anymore. These were the best models ever made. They were sexy and still a great unit for your Slaanesh army. The win hands down over those that came before them or since.
I like the models but yes they should have a little more demonic features like claws. You did a really awesome work on this model and gave it a fantastic look, impressive what you could do with so few details.
They are pretty nice, and I'd like to see an updated version, but the "mold slippage" that Jay mentioned in the video is a plague on these metal demonettes. I've got lots of them, and most of them are affected by mold-line issues.
The old deaemonetts are ok but the "new" ones just look better to me. Now pink horrors on the other hand, my god those old models are beautiful and a perfect fit for tzeentch. Also beautiful paint job jay.
The Juan Diaz daemonettes are, in my opinion, the best Slaanesh models. When GW resold them a few years ago I got several sets of both Seekers and foot daemonettes.
I agree completely, the new Slaanesh models capture the deadly part, but they lack in the beauty and demon look of the Juan Diaz ones
100 percent! Traded a chunk of a guard army for almost a full squad of his Daemonettes and Seekers and haven't regretted it XD
They did? Why have I missed this?
@@krinkrin5982 2016 I think it was. Called order on demand from gw or print to order
I need some. The current daemonettes look too ugly to be seductive like they're meant to be in the lore
I think they're fine. No one goes to an art museum, looks at greek statues and proclaims it to be pornography, or otherwise too overtly sexual. It's no different from seeing bare breasts on the mermaid figurehead of a sailing ship.
That and it's weird for people to be okay with the extreme violence of GW's universes and yet express shock and distaste for a small amount of nudity.
They just might is the Greeks weren't so ....
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Because we are the Virgin Legion and nudity is HERESY!
Thus day and age, I am sure some will.
America is weird like that, ok with extreme violence but extremely puritan about anything sexual
A simple, sleek, and smooth model. It had no frills so it could act as a perfect canvas for painters. I greatly appreciate Juan Diaz's sculpts, pretty sure he sculpted Krell from WHFB too.
Also great to see my neon Fyreslayers made it into the EoBC list (HooKnows).
That mini has aged pretty damn well really, and your paintjob really lifted it! Lovely work dude
yah! thanks dude
I love that I just watched a Kirioth video just before this one. 😁
Anyone expecting demons to wear clothes is the one who is wrong here, this is the best sculpt.
The Horrors at 2:11 are just so much better than the ones we have now.
I now know where the Urien design comes from. Good to learn !!
I was horrified when I saw the new ones, such a downgrade
kinda shows the difference between the Diaz and more modern Scuplts. all of Diaz's scuplts are Dynamic and intresting. that the real difference between the old and new Deamonettes, the old ones had way more movement and character, the newer ones just kinda stand there....
Honestly I think the face turned out very well, oddly fitting for a manic creature like a Daemonette.
Nudes have always been a part of the art scene since the beginning. If you view minis as a form of art, and I do, I see no problem with including some nude figures, both men and women, to the table, as long as it tells part of the story.
Diversity also means, that nude models are included. For me it's about if it makes sense or not. Slaanesh demons nude? Fitting. Vampires? Fitting. Witch elves? Fitting. The problem is, when EVERY female model is looking like that, then it's not ok.
I wouldn't say nude and weak to the sun are a good combo
Best daemonettes; the current Seekers are terrible. The current ones are bow-legged over their mounts while the metal ones look perched, ready to dive off onto some unfortunate.
EDIT: I don't think the cast slipped on the face, a lot of the artwork for the Daemonettes of that era had a mutation where part of their face was stretched back, like it was smeared.
I agree that the seeker looks very charming.
Sometimes newer isn’t better.
Always fascinating to see nudity being a sensitive subject and 'not for everyone' but extreme violence and gore are par for the course.
If the hobby has indeed matured, we can show and see nudity as more than just fan service for horny nerds.
Anyway, great work as always! I was skeptical about using the same colors for both the daemonette and the steed, but your texture work really differentiated them.
All the dumb models in 40k and people act like boobs are somehow a step too far, nothing wrong with nerds being attracted to women anyway.
@@noosa187 i know this isn't the intent behind your comment but how you justified models with tits I had this mental image of a 300 fedora guy jacking off to his Slaanesh models.
@@BrendanRaymondKoroKoro I know this. That's why I find these arguments of "They sexualized her/it/him," so fucking stupid cause I can find images or videos online that are way more jack off able. But still, that image popped in my head and I laughed a good bit because of it. I am a very twisted person sometimes.
It's an American thing. Even the sexually repressed Brits recognize that boobs can be art.
@@Gumlass1 No we can recognize it can be art (at least some of us) but I don't see bare tits as applicable for a tabletop game. If the model is a display piece fine. But if you have say twenty bare chested ladies running around in a tabletop game that looks a little worse in my view.
Truthfully, the mold slippage with your paint actually works really well. S/he isn't supposed to be alluring up close, and the warped face you see upon closer inspection really speaks to that.
TBH Daemonettes were one of the few boobie models I always thought made sense, it didn't feel like boobs for the sake of boobs but more of a true artistic choice.
Ya I don't think demons of sexual pleasure would be covering their nips
@@daveeol1987 I may be misremembering, but didn't some of them wear a partial bra?
@@TheFifthHorseman_ just looked online. The only ones in bras were the squad leaders
WFB had Harpeys and there was Morathi the Hag Queen which let one be uncovered.
Idk i don't think that titty demons discredits the hobby all that much. I feel that this is still plenty artistic and the sculptors of the future models shouldn't be constantly paranoid about optics of the hobby, seems counterproductive.
Boobs are somehow immature but space wolves and all the other ridiculous models are fine
It depends where and how.
Titty demons Slaneesh i mean, is okay, even expected i can say.
Sexy big boobies females in 40k just because "muh boobies" like some """""""""female Tau warrior"""""""""" models some company have? Well, that's cheap and pretty cringe.
@@BrendanRaymondKoroKoro Because it brings down the respectability of something, we have moral codes. And yes, i'd be fine with someone 3d printing their own cringey stuff, if they want to ogle at naked female models. But, if your playing a game with strangers or semi-strangers, you should be following basic morals and propriety. Such as bathing, dressing cleanly (not slovenly), not using overt sexual models. The model shown is a good mix of nudity and propriety, lots of action. It shows off the deamonette's charms without being gross, and showing its a daemon of lust. the model quality could be better, but if it was a different pose it could be gross. But, this model was tastefully done. I would like to see more of models above, we got plenty of gore and grim stuff, lets do some scantily clad stuff, but tastefully; not too much to be overwhelming but change the pace.
“NOOOOOO! YOU CAN’T HAVE SEXY MINIATURES! THE HOBBY HAS MATURED!”
“Haha. Boobah go boing boing.
Man, you make my day
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@@Marinealver Brilliant!
I always find funny how contradictory that statement about the hobby "maturing" and the need to remove sexappeal is.
It's literally "mature" content!
4:47 moment is glorious. The face you pulled off and than the suprise you did... Just glorious.
I fell off my chair I laughed so hard...
If you're into this style of miniatures, boy do I have a company for you: Raging Heroes.
The poses are fierce and dynamic, the style is unic and the casting is absolutely perfect. Price is reasonable, highly recommended.
Raging Heroes makes beautiful models but the resin they use is almost as bad as Finecast.
@@the.rogue.roman.77 And the homepage has that damnable PopUp constantly saying: "Someone in (yourgeneralarea) just bought xxxxx-model" ...to stress visitors into also buying whatever the company tries to sell the most of atm.
I fkn HATE that kind of stress-baiting marketing.
@@the.rogue.roman.77 what does that mean? Is finecast a warhammer specific thing? Raging Heroes models brittle, that's for sure. I'm more of a modeler than a gamer, so I'm used to that. But they are crisp!
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Raging heroes and the JD Daemonettes are the exact opposite. Raging heroes is all about exaggerated motions and poses. The JD daemonettes are subtle and lithe. Sure they have nekkidness but that’s not what makes them great models. The ridiculous flair and hair is coincidentally also the thing that makes the current daemonettes trash IMO
I don't think anyone needs to apologize for sexualized art. It's art, and if someone doesn't like it, don't look at it.
People aren't up in arms about porn. I say this as a dude with a side hustle selling pin-up art.
I'm of a mixed opinion. Should a model like this be the main option if its meant to appeal to a wider audience? Probably not, but you'd be surprised by how many people don't mind sexy models but it certainly SHOULD be an available and easy to access option. Part of the appeal of Warhammer, to me, is just how over the top it is and the old daemonettes kind of embody that in a way the new ones don't. The new ones certainly don't feel like anything someone might actually be attracted to in any way at least. To say the hobby has evolved past models like these is, to me, to imply that these models are somehow bad or distasteful just by nature of their design...and to be honest, that's just a stance I don't agree with.
This is simply a change, neither better or worse on its own. To me, its worse but it might not be to you or others.
I think they should keep the extreme stuff because it's part of the niche, and the Wider Audience Myth has killed more franchises than actual censorship.
Chasing it, i.e. trying to force a fad, is a strategy with "a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it," corporate-speak for "we're about to deliberately destroy our own niche."
I mean, trying to get people of my acquaintance into warhammer has been known to founder on old slaanesh models. They do drive some people away from the hobby. IMO the current models have gone a bit too far towards the "Mutated and awful" look, which doesn't make so much sense for the core Slaanesh things of sleekness, elegance and being the very best (like noone ever was).
There are good Slaanesh daemon models. The Masque and the Infernal Enrapturess for example. They don't need to be made of bewbs, they just need to have less of the Chaos Undivided all horns and claws look to them.
@@ILoveDemocracry Like every hobby it's for anyone who likes it for what it is. Which has to be understood as different from "fOr eVeRyOnE."
If the content of the hobby drives people away, I honestly hope those people find some other hobby whose content they enjoy and subculture they're comfortable in. Which has to be understood as the exact opposite of starting a real-life political invasion of mine.
@@saeyabor How is it a political invasion for women to not like being objectified? Overt NSFW content is not a core part of the hobby. The hobby is about painting, collecting, and fighting armies against one another. Not showing how the female characters have big breasts.
And what do you mean by an invasion? Are you so afraid of women playing tabletop games that you think they are some hostile occupying force?
The 40k/AOS/WHFB hobby ought to be open and accessible to anyone who wants to collect and paint minis, and fight them on the tabletop in the grim darkness of the far future, or in the Old World. To claim that people shouldn't be allowed in if they object to sexualisation of female characters is like claiming that DnD should be limited only to those who meet the stereotype of the 1980's DnD player.
@@ILoveDemocracry You're making a lot of assumptions here. I dont see where anyone claimed the hobby shouldnt be open to all. Its pretty damn open to everyone. I also dont see where one set of models being overtly sexual somehow gatekeeps the ENTIRE warhammer universe from women. Thats a little much. I dont see how you can really accuse Games Workshop of objectifying women in the first place, they have no history of making "sexy" females. It is a bit sad that one faction of the game is relatively ignored because they cant really make any models to theme without offending someone. Whether the models male or female, or both, which Androgyny is a big part of Slaanesh, the whole faction is gonna make some people clutch their pearls.
In that regard I agree with what Saeyabor is saying. The game is open to everyone, theres a faction for everyone. But If someone is turned of from the ENTIRE universe because one small faction has boobies, we should probably just let those people move along. Its like saying I dont read books because sexy romance novels exist. Or I dont watch movies, because some of them have boobies in them.
"you wan't see this on a space marine"
noise marines: am i a joke to you?
Good Vibrations
@@Marinealver Oh boy this one is SO layered
“Is this model too sexy for GW?”
*Looks over at the Dark Elf Harpies and original Morathi*
Ah yes, the mods to put that in Total War Warhammer
Nudity is part of arts since... arts exist. It's what make arts timeless. A naked body sculpted 3000 years ago represents the same kind of human we are now.
Yes, but I'd still keep it out of a tabletop game that is also played fairly commonly by kids.
@@BrendanRaymondKoroKoro Body shapes variety isn't something to be ashamed of. Again if we look at ancient art productions, generous forms were during a long period considered as more appealing.
@@BrendanRaymondKoroKoro Even if GW made nudity a common them in the tabletop I'd definitely keep it out of the house when I have kids, but separate from that I don't really think nudity is totally necessary. The nipples out thing is just scandalous for scandal's sake in my opinion, the same effect can be achieved with rags and jewelry placed in certain places and bare skin everywhere else.
@@BrendanRaymondKoroKoro Yup.
@@BrendanRaymondKoroKoro Venus of Willendorf?
One out of production miniature that my best friend had to track down for his goblins was the Night Goblin flipping the bird. Fits goblins pretty well and once on the battlefield he is insulting everyone.
I remember that model. They were the doom gliders. Was reading an old White Dwarf back in the days. And said to myself, is that goblin giving the bird? Funny that it was.
I miss the time when you knew whom sculpted the models
They used to get royalties
I loved the face!! Like something beutiful just warped into something weird and cruel in the moment of hiting their enemies
I liked this line of Daemonettes. Their heads and knives had a weird, tribal, alien beauty. I didn’t care much about the bare skin, and honestly kind of like the newer armor they wear, I just liked the heads and arms.
"Alien beauty" is the real keyword. Remember, they weren't _our_ daemons originally, but the Eldar's. Slaaneesh daemons' appearances were a thumb in the eye at _their_ perversion, largely sexual in nature, and the subsequent repression of the Craftworlders. While I'm not a huge Eldar fan, it's nice seeing Chaos mess around with a species who _aren't_ the gosh-darned over-exposed humans for once... stupid mon-keigh thinking they're the center of the universe all the time...
Agreed, I would have loved to have gotten all the Juan daemonettes with just the knife hands. If you think about it, Slaanesh is a beguiler and having troops that would have the army questioning "wait, why are we shooting the women?" would totally fit in.
Same, they could have had "strategically placed tentacles" and pose and maintain this style, and be great in the same way.
I think they should keep the extreme stuff because it's part of the niche, and the Wider Audience Myth has killed more franchises than actual censorship.
Chasing it (i.e. trying to force a mainstream fad) is a strategy with "a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it," corporate-speak for "we're about to let a marketing degree convince us to deliberately destroy our own niche."
And it's possible I'm being overly generous to "broader appeal" by comparing it to censorship like they're different things, because it's a form of "prior restraint" censorship, and recently or potentially becoming more widespread is what makes something a viable target for a "moral panic" (ex: Harry Potter was at the height of its first wave of popularity, with 3/7 books and the first movie's trailers out, when Evangelicals went full Sarkeesian on it 10 years pre-Sarkeesian).
Actually, GW still currently makes one model that is NSFW. The Bloodwrack Medusa out of the Daughters of Khaine Cauldron of Blood Kit. She's got a boob hanging out.
Also I know it's forgeworld, but it's playable in AoS Gitz army: Troggoth Hag. Maybe not oggling material, but those saggy badonkers are immense. Also has a naked booty
@@nataliakapusciok4198 Stop describing them in great detail! FW will never be able to restock!
@@BrendanRaymondKoroKoro RUclips censors chat, and Eons has to approve it.
Have you seen the new Fiends? They're first "rework" Slaanesh Daemon that's been an improvement since Diaz left GW.
WHFB had quite a bit of boobies.
Warhammer 40,000, not so much.
"The lore was written to supplement the models"
Yes and no. If this was something as one-off as a single unit otherwise out of place in the setting then yes, absolutely. But it's a demon of Slaanesh, the god of pleasure, excess, and hedonism. It's stupid for it not to have boobs.
These ARE the best sculpts GW ever made. I don't mean it just for "eheh, boobs" but because of the effectivity and elegance of the design. They are a perfect example of what GW has lost.
Boobs or not, the dynamism of this sculpt blows the new one out of the water. Same thing with the horrors.
The colors came out amazing and really fit the flow of the model.
The Witch Elves that came out around this period were absolutely glorious. As for Daemonette mammaries go, the original line of models from the 1980s (with smaller claws) had a lot of them hanging out.
"the reason they did it is pretty transparent." Did anybody else start hearing Ted Dibiase's theme music in their heads. "Money Money, Money, Money, Money! Muahahahahahahahaha!"
You are absolutely right Juan Diaz is an incredible sculpture for making all these models. How can he not be after making these seekers with only one hand
You painted the facial slip wonderfully and it adds to the body horror aspect of the slaaneshi daemons. Their split jaw and crooked smile make them appear far more menacing.
The old daemon prince is the scientifically best one
Except putting it together was a giant pain. Lovely model though, and the Nurgle Daemon Prince based on it was superb.
Thank you for doing these and explaining each step you take. Seeing what I can improve upon on my painting skills is a huge boon to me. Please keep doing these videos. I really REALLY appreciate seeing the process.
I think given how many options wargame minis have these days, a sexy option would be fine, as long as yeah it's not the only option, even from a lore perspective Slaanesh represents excess in all forms, the horny (tm) is only part of that
what I like to do with face-based model slippage is to hide it by making a half-mask that covers the most damaged-warped side of the face. It's fiddly work but it helps to hade imperfections in the model.
Personally, I miss these more NSFW models; maybe I am just a greasy old nerd. Still, if Slaanesh wants to be the God of Sex, Drugs, and Rock & Roll, this helped. I'm not a big fan of current Slaaneshi mini themes.
As for your work, I think this turned out great! I really do like your colors choices, and think you did a fine job. As silly as this will sound, I think my favorite bit, though, is the tail. I think you did a marvelous job blending the two pieces together, so it looks, to me, like they were always a single, sculpted piece. I don't see any gapping, or a faint trace of the seam. I'm sure it's just a skill I lack, but it's nice on your Steed.
Thank you for sharing! Like I said, I sometimes miss these old minis. I know the quality of sculpts has improved over the years, through plastic, pewter, and resin, but I got into the hobby in 3e; back in the early 2000s, and my friend who introduced me to it mained a Noise Marines army with some of these, so even if I'm a greasy need, nostalgia.
You know the face having its wonkiness works pretty well with a bit of headcannon. A bit of warp instability is affecting the face of the daemonette,the conflicting desires of the various individuals watching it charge at them causing it to warp and distort. To some weaker minds it sports a near angelic face of desire,while the stronger willed see a glimpse into the abyss that is the excessive cruelty that comes from serving the prince of excess.
Well, technically this was a Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer 40k model :D Great job painting the mini
Ah the Juan daemonettes. probably one of my favorites. I also love first generation (because... thats was the first I had), and 4th (current?). 2nd generation derpy "Clawettes" I dont fancy a bit though. They cant even stand up because they are so top heavy (some of them).
Nice paintjob. Realy fabulous.
On the subject of "The hobby has bacome more Mature now". I disagree. It was a better time back then. Quality/tech was cruder, but it was more free and open. Would argue it was more mature back then, then today where everyone is afraid to express them selves, walking on eggshells, getting offended, triggered and anxious about almost anything, and not talking about gatekeeping and cancelation if you try to express it. And whats more mature about gore, grim dark, agony and murder, compared to artistic/splendid nudity? Whats up with that?
Well, cheers.
Fantastic job on this model!
I do have to say that it is a very unique americanism to focus so much on nudity. Were they artbooks for anything not related to a wargame and/or of the arts in general no one would say much (well, almost no one, the deeply religious and/or conservative will always complain but who cares?). The fact that americans in general are so worried about this and not about dismembered corpses, gore and violence is always so odd to see. And in these minis is not even the main focus, these minis have a grace and style that no current GW models share, dare i say in any faction. I'd love to have an army of these if i had a chance.
And nice summary on Juan's models, he is a good dude, since he's a friend of the owner of my local game store we tended to see him around once in a while before the plague. Have seen him model stuff and he's *GOOD!*
And these days the conservative probably wouldn't complain about them either (though the deeply religious would), it would be the more liberal minded. Even as an American, I can't tell why we fixate so much on nudity/sex appeal being bad but have no qualms about over the top violence being glorified. It never really struck me until I heard about other culture's viewpoints either that I went 'wait...yeah, that is kind of weird isn't it?'.
Honestly though, that model looks good and it feels unique to GW models and especially WH 40k models, which is a good thing. I look at it and I get all the important information. Sleek and fast, subtle danger, and a hankering for violence wrapped up in a lust/feminine package. I look at the new Slaanesh models and I don't really get any of that, I get much more of a 'pink/purple Khorne demon vibe' which is not ideal to be honest. Plus, for something you're supposed to look at and see something appealing until its tearing your guts out, aka Distracted by the Sexy to use trope speak, I can't imagine looking at any of the current Slaanesh models and going 'man, can't wait to get them to bed ddjdkdagkj my gutttts!' cause their design clashes so oddly with their intent. Even in a 'supposed to focus just on what you find attractive' lore perspective, there's nothing attractive about them, they completel miss the androgynous mark which, weirdly enough for Juan's models, is actually there. I mean, remove the chest and you could just as easily have a feminine looking guy or a fit looking woman.
@@BrendanRaymondKoroKoro You aren't wrong there friend!
I mean the US was founded by mostly puritans and other protestant groups and that shaped alot of the values going forward. One of the primary reasons they bailed from Europe in the first place was the fact they viewed the current attitudes and culture as unacceptable.
@@BrendanRaymondKoroKoro Well a vast majority of the american populace consisted of these particular groups. It really wasn't until modernity that any other religious groups of any significant numbers appear. I mean even Catholics wer/are e a small minority. Its one of the reasons the Italians and Irish were so loathed when they started arriving. They did not pass the 'purity' standards. Modern times people are much less religious, but the culture of purity and views on cultural things still remain. Just look at the Karen archetype.
I remember these releasing and the hype from a certain audience was BIG.
look up the old morathi on pegasus. or some of the old Dark Elf codex art for her.
That is one hell of a finely painted demonette. I remember when they first appeared with the 6th edition Chaos Armies book for WFB (before making the jump to the 3rd edition CSM Codex ver 2.0), thought they looked in line with what Slannesh was.
Funny you mention the Lore being used to justify a commercial decision as that's what happened with female space marines back in the late 80s, when it became clear that gamers of that era weren't wanting girl models
This is what happened with every decision made throughout GW history. The reason why they don't make xenos anymore is because xenos don't sell as well as they used too (mayhaps because GW itself started the whole Spahs marheens circeljerk).
It's pretty obvious that AS became their own army (as opposed to a footnote in a codex) when GW realized there actually was a market for female space marines.
The lore almost always validates commercial decisions, not the other way around.
@@ArmandDupin They literally just did a Necrons refresh as well as an Ork refresh. On top of this the rumor which correctly predicted the Ork and Black Templar releases has a Craftworlds range refresh coming out next year that was already delayed.
I think GW proved to itself, again, that it can make any of its races sell well provided they give them proper support with Sisters of Battle. Prior to the 8th ed release the entire range was more or less from 2nd edition outside of the vehicles and Celestine, they were nowhere to be seen on the tabletop. Since then they've become one of the most popular factions with their range refresh.
Space Marines have always been favored, it's not something recent, every single edition they had the most releases and the most subfaction rules. Even back in 2nd edition there were 4 loyalist Space Marine factions. You're telling me that they can make Sisters of Battle cool, but they can't make Eldar cool? I'm not saying SoB are boring, but they're power armored women with bolters who use rhino
These miniatures (and those on foot) are among my favourite GW ever released.
Juan Diaz inspired Allan Carrasco's daemonette that won gold at 2007 french Golden Demon. That's the one on the cover of the book presented at 11:30.
Cheers from France!
Respectfully disagree. No restrictions should be applied on creativity.
Games Workshop has abandoned its heritage and the players are leaving.
I fully support a company's desire to be more mainstream, however any customer is fully obligated to voice their opinions or patronise companies that cater to their needs.
Frank Frazetta and Julie Bell, even Brom would never have seen the success they did, had today's sanctimonious mainstreaming of niche interests existed in their day.
Here's to better days.
The lining on the skin turned out great! I'll definitely have to try that on lesser detailed miniatures.
daft preposal at the back of your gw store you could have a over 18s area hidden by velvet be where the NSFW range could could live. and for play in public the minis could have little bags to cover them on the table. :)
Love how it started theenzhy but ended up very slanesh.
The montages of gathering supplies that yall put together are definitely the best on youtube, imo.
The lore was written before the models. Daemonettes used to be extremely explicit. The slaves to darkness books for example. They were written for third edition warhammer fantasy battles and rogue trader.
I can’t believe you put her on a round base! 😝
Came out awesome, love the mix of beauty and beast, it gives more of a body horror vibe like something from "The Thing", i think its cool and fitting but would love to see more variety in them
I would say that yes, it is fine.
After all, it’s a universe where people blow up planets and burn a lot of stuff. Considering that the premise is pretty dark I think that we can handle bit of naughtiness.
Or maybe I just want to find some justification for not minding.
Is it just me or is the seeker oddly cute?
Maybe the charming spell of the creature got reversed from the rider to the stead.
I remember these mods, buy I also remember the 2nd edition ones. Man, times have changed. Great job all around.
what is always funny is to put a single metal model instead of a captain in a unit and make him stay as the last one
and make shure your friend lifts it expecting a plastic model and is suprised of the weight
The small stripes is a great technique! I did that on my bald heads in my kill team, and I find that it lightens up the skin while not looking like shit
Ow no not a tit, gods save my soul, for now, I have somehow turned into a pervert...
All the mutilated corpses are just wholesome fun, though.
The moldline issue makes it even better in my opinion. It gives the face a really unnatural feeling, just what i would expect from a creature of the warp.
The OG Citadel miniature was the C series wizard Samantha Phox. I remember seeing it as a PC miniature a few times. If you had a female wizard, she was almost mandatory.
That is the one where the mini is mostly naked except for a robe and a g-string right?
These were pretty models BUT the small Metal parts were a Pain to assemble and keep assembled.
"Keep Assembled" that's a great way to put it. I agree metal is a pain in the butt.
Dude that is one glorious paint job!
Miraculously, this video is not age restricted!
I have something like thirty diazettes unassembled and ten seekers.
I think they were closer to the lore in terms of looks
Lithe, pretty, but also dangerous. With daemonettes being tempers and also terrifying slaughterers a mix of new and old models would make a really neat army, I bet.
As for the nudity we have many ways of making cloth or other coverings if you feel the need.
And the color scheme came out great. Moving the blue toward purple would have made it feel more Slaaneahi, I think. But it might not have looked quite as good. Excellent job
That's class! How come you've never assembled them? are they a new buy or were you just not too interested when you got them?
I do love the Diaz Daemonettes (and anything by Juan Diaz for that matter). Best minis ever? Nah. Fan-service for sweaty nerds? Sure. But to me they use the ‘333’ rule of miniature design/painting to play into the model’s lore in an interesting way, which IMO makes them better than the crab-claw and modern plastic interpretations.
There are variations to the 333 rule, but in general, it states that a good mini will grab your attention at 3 yards, wow you at 3 feet, and then blow you away at 3 inches. The Diazmonettes use this rule and our monkey brains to great effect - At 3 yards you notice the lithe shape and exposed skin so you go in for a closer look. At 3 feet you start ogling the booba. And finally, at 3 inches you horrified by the details: noseless faces, fangs, claws, and that there are actually 3 pairs of booba… you got horny and now your head is getting gnawed off. This deception sells the idea of daemonettes to me, and also reminds me of the very first apostle in the very first chapter of Berserk. I totally understand if someone is put off by them though. They are a cool one-off thing, but I wouldn't want an entire smut-themed army.
All the lesser daemonettes in my army are the old Juan Diaz, they are seductive yet gross, sleek and aggressive. The newer models are just hideous harpy crones
I like your paint job, you managed to get the most out of that figure
Looks great. Really like the texture work done. Yeah, there was very little you could do with the face and you did a good job. The only other options I can think of would be to cut out and replace the face (difficult and could be worse) or to paint it asymmetrical like Two Face from Batman's universe.
Nice closing to the video too.
I have a squad of these daemonettes on foot; have yet to find any seekers though. They're awesome models that I'll get around to painting some day. I don't have a problem with these; it's sad that some people do... But then, Michaelangelo's David has his detractors as well. Nice job on yours btw!
I thought i was the only one who kept a pot of food at my feet during a hobby sesh
My man! Excellent paint very understated yet maintaining the proper Slaneesh appeal. I'd love to see an old school Keeper in the same style it was my favorite big point piece,30 years ago. From the dawn of war hammer,well done young man❗✌
They should do more of those. Honestly i cant imagine many children playing warhammer nowadays anyway.
I can and there are I’ve seen quite a few at my lgs
@@greenyeti9078 only neckbeards in my area. Children are playing fortnite and minecraft nowadays, at least it looks like that in my area. A few highschoolers here are playing magic. Thats pretty much it.
I want those daemonettes but not enough to pay 100 bucks for them. They closer fit what I picture when I think of Slaanesh: twisted, otherworldly beauty and grace. They're technically sexy and attractive, but it's been put through the distorted lens of that lovable pervert god. I also appreciate that they were actually female while all the other daemons were male. I don't think they're 100% perfect. Like you said they are a little too generically sexy and could do with some more flavor. I think Raging Heroes actually makes a better version of these, but overall I think they look fantastic.
Those blue/pink horror were actually really cool too. I haven't seen them before and they're so much better then the modern dorky looking ones.
Excellent painting! I've seen Slannesh daemonettes in some fairly lurid colors in the past, yours is pretty easy on the eyes.
Yes Inquisitor, he has an Artifact tainted by the Ruinous Powers. I saw it with my own eyes!
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I've got the old deamon prince shown in this video sitting on a shelf, I got it from gw when I was probably 12
"Is it ok to have models this sexy?"
Acording to many 3rd party printers and mini facturing company YES.
What you did there is cross hatching, which I LOVE to do, it can be a great way to add texture to models, specially simpler ones.
The heads the posing are certainly their best attributes, and give them the look of what Slaanesh is about. Beauty and violence in excess, tempting and horrifying.
The Juan Diaz horrors of Tzeentch are top tier
The Juan Diaz daemonettes were by far the best version of them. Best looking sculpts that encompass both the allure and deadliness of their God/dess
I think Slaanesh is the only GW faction that really warrants this kind of model because their whole deal is that they're about extremes of pleasure and pain and they're always modelled a bit uncanny and strange, as opposed to just being objectifying.
I do think it's good that some of the modern line are quite androgynous, as that reflects the ambiguous gender of the god they represent, but having some explicitly male-presenting sexy demons would have the potential to balance things a bit.
When I see models from other factions trying to do the sexy thing I'm less inclined to accept it as something that this person would wear into battle and that has a lot to do with the art style. Female gladiators definitely showed as much, if not more, of their bodies as their male counterparts but I doubt they looked like modern swimwear models or wore armour that was sculpted to show off their tits and arse.
I'd argue Daughters of Khaine, but they are also a part of the Cult of Pleasure which is in essence Slaneeshi.
Absolutely incredible work dude!! 😃🍕
I was around 8 years old when I had these. My family would just buy me anything to do with warhammer. I always felt a bit weird that they had their jibbly bits out 😆
I read this like Monty python
Love that model, Should get another, chrome plate it and mount it to the hood of your car as your hood ornament..Chrysler eat your heart out. It would go with the nice with the dice hanging from your rear vision mirror ;)
I have 60+ on foot and 10 seekers still to paint. I love these models.
I quite like how sleek the steed looks.
@EonsOfBattle, very nice! Out of curiousity, you mentioned that you prefer wood glue for basing. Is there a reason why you prefer the wood glue over standard super glue or PVA? Curious to know. Thanks!
Fantastic job!!
This is how the Tyranids should be designed, sleek, swift and deadly. Instead of the heaps-of-spikes they are currently. More H.R. Giger, less Bionicle bikers.
I've got a stack load of those booby demons, but I kind of abandoned trying to paint them up because I couldn't find the right colours or texture. I am definitely going to steal Jay's recipe, especially the stripes.
I think mold slippage must have affected a LOT of those demonette minis; probably half the ones I own have got that exact same problem, although - perhaps fortunately - it's more of a horizontal axis slippage. I would *not* recommend buying this metal demonettes to anyone who doesn't like spending time and effort trying to erase nasty mold lines over fine detail. They are a PITA.
Most people have forgotten the original 1980's 1st edition version; they look kind of sucky *unless* you look a bit more closely and notice what's going on with them: They are male on one side and female on the other - split down the middle. Which is why they look so odd.
She's gorgeous! You did a great job.
I had many of these models, but sold them off as I don't play Fantasy anymore. These were the best models ever made. They were sexy and still a great unit for your Slaanesh army. The win hands down over those that came before them or since.
I like the models but yes they should have a little more demonic features like claws.
You did a really awesome work on this model and gave it a fantastic look, impressive what you could do with so few details.
ALL the Juan Diaz Daemons are waaaaaaay better than any other versions!
They are pretty nice, and I'd like to see an updated version, but the "mold slippage" that Jay mentioned in the video is a plague on these metal demonettes. I've got lots of them, and most of them are affected by mold-line issues.
I will always think that the first version of the daemonettes were the best, they even had names. My favourite is Fiendthrob
The old deaemonetts are ok but the "new" ones just look better to me. Now pink horrors on the other hand, my god those old models are beautiful and a perfect fit for tzeentch. Also beautiful paint job jay.