Why is this video so good? -Jack respects the viewer -No silly music or disruptive jump cuts -Excellent information These two cars are beautiful, but this format will work with any automobile and I hope there are more of these in the future!
The lady who owns those cars is a true petrol head. She has an amazing car collection, so down to earth and passionate about them. She has owned that Muira for many years. One of the best examples I’ve seen and that colour ❤️❤️
So true. I was struck by a similar thought yesterday when I encountered a new-ish BMW something-or-other. So aggressive and ungainly, especially when one remembers the 2002 or the Bavaria. The days of beauty on the road seem long gone.
Ferrari Roma is beautiful in 2022, and you have to factor in all the regulations that designers face nowadays. Most cars are almost purposefully ugly though sadly.
@@duncanajpv8 I think you're absolutely right. All the new Ferraris look good, but I think the Roma is the only truly beautiful one. I also like like the new Gordon Murray T.33, because they are both restrained, minimalist designs. At first glance, the T.33' looks clean and simple to the point of almost being plain looking. But the more I look at it, the more the uncluttered, coherent design has grown on me. I now think it's a beautiful car in the same aesthetic as a classic Ferrari or Alfa. Watching the interviews with Murray, you learn that every line and feature are there for a reason, and that a lot of thought went into it. The Civic Type R's bodywork, by comparison, looks like a mishmash of crap and creases randomly stuck all over the car. I think that car designs are a product of and serve as an indication of not only the aesthetic, but to a certain extent, the culture that created them, at that point in time. Have you noticed that new cars have an angry, aggressive, in-your-face, face that mirrors current angst and social turmoil? As we've lost our sense of humor and ability to just chill the f*** out, we've become a bunch of hyper-sensitive, angry, stressed out individuals looking for validation by standing out in the most tasteless and extreme ways possible. If I were to pick one word to describe most new car designs, it would be graceless.
Superb video comparison, probably unique! There is a mysterious and often disputed link between Yamaha / Toyota / Nissan with the 2000GT and Nissan 240Z, and a certain designer, Albrecht Graf von Goertz. However, the bible on this car is “Toyota 2000GT” by Shin Yoshikawa, and it does not mention Goertz once, but does contain hundreds of initial designs of the car, its outline, and construction, each signed by Toyota designer Satoru Nozaki. Back in 1985, I spent months trying to buy a UK based 2000GT and have plenty of photos to prove the point, there were only 2 in the UK, pity I can't share them on 'here'. The asking price at the time was just £20k .. and I was convinced it was going to be a good investment. It was Red and LHD and in fairly ‘tatty’ shape at the time. Sadly, I was gazumped late in the deal, much to my misfortune as they now have asking prices of $1M!. One overriding memory was just how small it was, and I had significant problems getting into the drivers seat with one leg either side of the wheel, knees wedged up tight against underside of dash, and my head pressed against roof lining. I didn't drive it because of this, and would have been unable to operate clutch for example. (for reference, it was about 4 inches narrower than a lotus Elise, but about 10 inches longer). Despite all that, I still wanted it !!
You mentioned Albrecht Graf von Goertz, reminds me of Edgar Schmued who designed the P51 Mustang and F86 jet but gets conveniently ommitted because he was German.
I love the Miura with my whole soul. It was my favourite toy car as I was growing up and it's still my most desirable car. Luv and Peace. Eyelash model please?
Wallace was the drive tester, the designer was a very young Gandini and a young Stanzani was the one mainly responsible for the rest (together with Dallara chef of the technical office at that time).
I remember seeing the Miura chassis at the Motor Show. For an adolescent auto-nut, it was an overwhelming experience. When I saw "The Italian Job", I hoped fervently that they hadn't sacrificed a real one fo rth epicture. (As we know, they hadn't; Iain found it.)
The Miura has always been one of my favorite cars of all time, in fine company among the likes of the 58 Mercedes 300SL, Porsche 550a Spyder and Ferrari 330 P4.
First mid engined production road car was the Bonnet Djet . You need take one of them for a spin, Jack - if you can find one. The Lamborghini didn't have an LSD and needed it. The Toyota did have an LSD and probably didn't need it - not enough power and torque to really warrant it. Both absolutely gorgeous cars - but in completely different ways.
Great video. Two fantastic cars. In keeping with your Italian roots...I hope you will one day decide to tell the story of the Maserati Biturbo...from the early versions to the last...Shamal, Racing, etc., as these were the last Maserati with genuine Maserati engines. Would love your experiences driving a few of them in comparison of the early vs later models.
Jack, two of the most stunning supercars ever made, the Miura especially, in that green is beyond beautiful from the 'eye lashes' on the lights backwards there isn't a single bad angle on it. The Toyota isn't half bad either!!
The Holy Miura is a given. A timeless Art piece. The 2000 GT was a stunner at it's time. Remember the cars of the period, so bland, especially the Toyotas. If only for the headlamps, wow ! Never seen before !
I had the luck of seeing a Miura but it was in a small garage and they took it completely (not a figure of speech) apart… Engine, interior, gages, it was all in boxes in the shell
Back in 1975, I saw a Miura in the pits, at Jackson County Sportsman's Park, at Medford Oregon. Both clamshells were up, and I thought I was looking at a spaceship.
Wonderful video, really🙏🏼… one thing is not Stanzini but Gandini, Marcello Gandini, is the most best car designer of the world..Paolo stanzani is the developer☺️
Nothing compares to the phenomenal design of the iconic Miura. Leather interiors are a must in exotic supercars like the Miura for both aesthetics and safety. Being buffered against soft leather versus wood chards which can impale you in case of impact is the reason why exotic sports cars use soft-touch materials like leather, suede, or Alcantara.
Another great video. Both yourself and Ian I could listen to for hours. The Miura was the first ever car on my bedroom wall as a kid in the 70's. Both fantastic cars to have on the channel.
I have to say I love your videos. You have an excitement and enthusiasm that a number of presenters have lost. I worked for Ferrari for so many years that I started becoming numb to just how exciting they are. Please don't lose that enthusiasm you project .
It's a near tossup to me as to which car I would choose to have. Both are incredibly beautiful, and top the list of cars I'd do anything to own. But sadly, I could never afford either. I realize the Miura is faster, and a far more charismatic car, but being a mechanical engineer, and someone who has always maintained and repaired my own cars, I've come to appreciate well engineered and crafted machines. Having also collected and repaired high-end watches for over 40 years has given me a deep appreciation for precision, quality, and attention to detail. So although the Miura is fast and a technically interesting mid-engined car that neatly slots in with my Lotus Exige, it still somehow doesn't draw me in the way the 2000 GT does. There's something about the 2000GT's obsessive attention to detail and the quality and finish in that interior that sets off my obsessive tendencies. To me, it's the automotive equivalent of a Patek Philippe or an American Grade 1872 Waltham watch movement, where as you disassemble it, you uncover detail after detail of fit and finish that only those who made or service the watch would ever see. It's perfection for the sake of perfection, rather than bragging rights. It really is like a piece of jewelry, and I could pore over its intricacies for hours on end. It triggers that same OCD part of my brain that Tool's music does. When you spend 13 years creating one effing album in order to get every damned note and lyric exactly right, it shows, and Fear Innoculum is the only album I can listen to over and over again, partly because it's literally rewiring my brain in the process. If I were to somehow acquire a 2000 GT, I would likely crawl all over, under, and in it, geeking out in a semi-catatonic state for hours on end. It is just so damned cool, and it is beautiful from every angle, and in every detail. Its being a car designed and built by perfectionists is why I would have to choose it over a Miura. Jack, thank you for making another great video that just sent me down another rabbit hole. You pick the most thought-provoking topics.
Small correction: Paolo Stanzni (with an A in the middle, not an I) The best thing about Bob Wallace is how nonchalant he was about things. No boasting, no bullshitting. Everyone who met him can vouch for how focused he was. Great video!
best show so far. Styling/design cues incl the Bull's head and horns silhouette when the Muira has both doors fully open and viewed from the front and above! The designers had to raid the Fiat parts bin for light lenses etc!
@@Number27 the headline doesn’t grab Jack, that’s why it took me several days to give it a go. could have played on the fact that you were actually doing a collab with Iain.
Great comparison. Mr Dallara tells the incredible design story on Ian Tyrell’s channel. Also mentions that gauge of steel had to be increased after first series run.
There is a 4th model. While still designated as a Miura SV, the last 25 cars built were very different. All hand built and only 6 in right hand drive. 12 inch Michelin tyres at the front and 14 inch at the rear..... even with the flared guards , you could barely get a cigarette paper between the tyres and guards. Only 3 squashed fingers under the side rails..... yet to my knowledge , they didn’t bottom out on a road and the tyres never touched the guards or other bodywork. My uncle was Qld agent for Lamborghini for a short time and ended up collecting them. When he took me for a ride in his, I couldn’t believe it. He had to leave the bitumen to avoid on coming traffic at speed, but I never felt any bumps or thumps. In my Cooper S, I felt everything. Even a chalk line. lol The engine was also a little different and had very different air filter set up on the 6 dual throat Webber’s. The wheels were specially made for the red car with gold trim.... gold wheels, but only 4 in full width. The gold spare is only about 8 “ wide. lol
That one can... And also the original MR2 that could easily outhandle the Miura (or my friend Ben's original sixties Mini Cooper -- but then he is a racing driver, and the car has miraculous driveability!). :0)
I dont think you spotted that they actually made it represent the Miura Bull in styling? Open both doors wide, glass down....and view from the front :)
Thanks for the great presentation of the context of these cars and their timeperiod instead of only nagging about issuse etc compared to todays cars.....Makes it so much more interesting to watch
Thank you Jack, for another great Number 27!!! I love to hear about the technical details hidden beneath the beautiful surface of these cars. Thank you so much Jack. I am a huge fan of your channel. You review super cars, however you also review the daily drivers of the time. That is what makes your channel so special to me. This being said, I do have a personal request. If you ever come across a Fiat 127 1st series, I would love to see you reviewing that car. It was my first ever car, and I would love for you to take me on a ride in it. Greetings, Marc
Really great video of two of my favourite cars if all time. Comparing and contrasting the two would not have occurred to me, but it does make sense in the way in which you presented them. I feel you should continue this theme with other combinations. Thank you.
Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale was 1st (or one of the 1st, but anyway earlier than Miura) mid-engined supercar. Miura just gets all the hype when it should not get.
Jack, I think the Miura is the most beautiful car ever designed and built. I remember buying my first Road and Track back in (sorry don't remember the month) 1966, and the Miura was on the cover. Cars were pretty different to now, but I'd still love one !!
That Maura looks really low down, where could you drive it in this country, speed bumps and pot holes 🕳, I would just drain all the fluids out of it and park in the living room, great video Jack, 👍👍.
The first prototype of the Nissan showed on4:50 was beautiful as well. It had a striking resemblence of the Bertone coupes like the Iso Grifo and the Fiat Dino Coupe.
Oh, boy... When they first came out, I wanted a 2000GT in the worst way and ogled the magazine photos...then I got the chance to see it in the flesh at the NY Auto Show. It looked even better in person, lower and (alas) smaller. But I just did not fit: I'm almost 6'1" and even then weighed about 200#. I could shoehorn myself into the car, but my size 12 feet were WAY too big for the footwell, my head was on the roof (no Gurney bubble), and my shoulder was right up against the door. I made do with an E-Type, which actually cost LESS in the USA! Kept it for some time and really had very few issues. I've had TWO Muiras, one P400 and the second one an SV, both bought (and sold) when prices for these things were relatively low. Unike the Toyota, I fit (barely) but just could not resist. The Engines were glorious, the gearboxes good but the linkage not so, but both cars felt to have more flexibility than you wanted in something with so much power, To say the handling at the limit was dicey is a serious understatement. Plus, the quality of anything other than the powertrain was just awful; everything imaginable (and some things not so) fell off or wore out. Compared with Ferraris of the same period, this was NOT acceptable; compared with anything else, this was horrific. Great to look at, though, and even better to listen to...
I love that Toyota but I bet the owner spends most of his/her time explaining to people “No, it’s not an e-type Jag…it’s actually a Toyota” All the best to everyone
The Miura is my dream car, yet to see one in the metal. That's Twiggy's old car, though i don't know if she ever drove it, i think her manager did. I have an Italian mate who's dad was over in Italy in 1979, he was offered a nice 69 P400S for £3000, he knocked it back as he though if he brought it back to the UK no one would want it as it was LHD.
My first car was an Austin Healey Sprite Mk II (the rebadged MG Midget with chrome and polished aluminum) I’m 6’2” and I had no problem fitting in this car as a matter fact I had friends that were much taller that had no problem getting in this car. Japanese are shorter on average to British.
Thanks, I saw and watched a bright yellow Miura on an inner Sydney street back in 1971. He gave his girlfriend a demo across a set of lights, I was one car back in the adjacent lane. It was so quick off the mark...awesome short burst of power. I wonder what happened to it??
I'll probably be heckled from the side lines here, but the Miura is imho, "the" best looking car from any angle ever produced, it is just stunning still today some 50+ years later, and remains my absolute favourite Lamborghini, ever since I first saw the Italian job as a kid, the way the body sits over the wheels like a Cheetah waiting to pounce, the slats in the doors, it is just a stunning piece of design, if I had a big lotto win, a late model Miura would be sitting in my garage about a week later, but not in puce Green I hasten to add. Interesting about the Miura being tested on the local roads, I lived just south of Bologna from 2016-2018, and still today you can hear Lambo's and Ferrari's being tested on the local roads.. just incredible.
I remember on the Autostrada del Sole running southbound, I was lucky to follow a Ferrari Mondial 4 Valvole with the iconic Licence Plate MO PROVA 1. I was amazed how normal the tester was driving the car in public. Then I realised something: From the exhaust you could see a little bit of smoke for a moment and I knew this guy was running through the gears at nearly a hundred miles per hour. He shifted back to third and fourth many times. I met a guy who lived in the region about 45 years ago: He told me it was very common to see Lamborghinis, Ferraris and Maseratis being tested on normal roads and he meant not the highways. The police would let them run at any speed they liked and did never interfer: That is Italy. A Swiss friend from Switzerland was speeding inside the city of Rome late at night. He was shocked to see the police show up beside him at a red traffic light. The cops made a sign, making it clear that they wanted to race with my friend. So both took off full speed. He never told me who won. I am sure the tuned police car did win without to much effort.
I saw a 2000GT at the Ulster Motor Show back in the late 60's (so when I was still under 10), and had to be dragged away . . . I believe I was given a brochure, but alas, that is long lost
2000Gt can be readily replicated from Toyotas' own parts bin, but with 4 seats- I took a 1972 Mk II Corona coupe, and simply added the 1G-GZE & auto from an '87 Crown Royal Saloon, the LSD from an '86 Crown RS & had a very fun car. ( 1100kg & 210 bhp, with basically no work whatsoever beyond a swirl pot & Haltech ECU). Sad to say- I sold it, a couple of decàdes ago.
Great video jack, forgot to comment. The Toyota reminds me of the modern day Honda S2000, really special and at the time of sale as new fairly affordable. Not sure if an S2000 would look good with a wooden dash though! The miura is lovely, and from. Mr Tyrell Im learning that lamborghini (til Audisation) at least was more than just Countachs. Great video, pity you didn't fit in Toyota. Best wishes. Ben 🚌🚍🙏🤞🇬🇧🇺🇦
Hi Jack - this video is a hit out of the park. This must be one of your best so far. Your commentary is so good and so detailed. The cinematography is varied and well done. Your editing has created a wonderfully coherent and compelling narrative. Superbly done my friend - Cheers
1280KG and 280bhp. Perfect power to weight formula for a fun sports car. 40 years later did it trickle down to us blue collar workers to experience what the elites got to experience for decades? No. The Toyota GR86 is 1280KG and 227bhp. That's why I'm incredibly disappointed, it was the last chance before electrification and they blew it :(
I’ve never seen how beautiful Toyota 2000 GT is until this video. It’s absolutely gorgeous in that shiny red paint. If I have to choose one however based on sheer beauty, it’s still going to be the Miura. If I could afford both, I’d keep them both, along with Jaguar E-Type and Mclaren F1.
i can't believe Iain Tyrrell of Iain Tyrrell's classic cars' met the iconic legend Marcello Gandini and the guys' who built the Miura too he also filmed driving the road and with the car which was in The Italian Job! i hope you've watched it Jack and thanks for another vid' 😍💚💪🏎
Thanks Jack - both cars around 55 years old and yet they would still turn the head of any petrol head skool kid. I believe when Rod Stewart had his 1st number 1 (and 1st major hit) with Maggie May in 1971, he traded-in his TVR for a Miura
Giotto Bizzarrini (Motor), Paolo Stanzani und Dallara (Fahrwerk) mit Marcello Gandini (Design), der Miura ist ehrlich gesagt für niemanden erreichbar, nicht einmal für Toyota. Die Engländer kommen mir seltsam vor. Wie kann man diesen Toyota mit einem Miura vergleichen?
Great video as always. Being born in the sixties, many of us of course know every curve of the Muira from the gold Matchbox model with Superfast wheels we had accompanied by the blue Lotus Europa. Still undoubtedly one one of the most beautiful cars ever designed (along with the Ferrari 330 P4) that you have to see in the flesh to appreciate. Not a fan of the Toyota I must confess although I can appreciate its virtues, I was surprised at its value. Other aspects of the Muira were it originally had 80 series tyres as low profile tyres were not made then and as I understand it the door grills when both doors were fully opened were supposed to give the appearance of bull’s horns when viewed from the front. Thanks once again.
My bike uses the same lubrication for the engine and the transmission (Honda CTX700 with a DCT transmission). It works perfectly. But then... it's a Japanese machine :)
Only 3 mins in and this is a great video. Hadn't seen this channel before but, subscribed. They are both stunning cars. I have an affinity for Japanese cars so the 2000GT has my heart. Having seen one in person, the beauty is something to behold.
Gorgeous cars. I'd have actually guessed that the Toyota was worth more than the Lamborghini at today's values, given its rarity, jewel-like craftsmanship, and its significance to the history of the Japanese car industry.
Why is this video so good?
-Jack respects the viewer
-No silly music or disruptive jump cuts
-Excellent information
These two cars are beautiful, but this format will work with any automobile and I hope there are more of these in the future!
Thank you and really glad you enjoyed it!!
Yes, jumps cuts! Hate them and so good mot to have the.
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The 2000GT would absolutely be part of my dream garage. It's so damn beautiful.
I still have the Miura that my father bought for me when I was a child in the 1960s…. a Scalextric one, obviously.
Bet it still appreciated in value, plus it is technically an EV.
I had the yellow one
I think mine's a Dinky. 🙂
@@mikestanmore2614
Don't be so hard on yourself Mike😊
@@jimmyh6601 😂
The lady who owns those cars is a true petrol head. She has an amazing car collection, so down to earth and passionate about them. She has owned that Muira for many years. One of the best examples I’ve seen and that colour ❤️❤️
Yep, she’s really lovely and loves her cars!
They’re both stunning cars - goes to show how beauty has just been completely forgotten by modern car designers.
So true. I was struck by a similar thought yesterday when I encountered a new-ish BMW something-or-other. So aggressive and ungainly, especially when one remembers the 2002 or the Bavaria. The days of beauty on the road seem long gone.
Ferrari Roma is beautiful in 2022, and you have to factor in all the regulations that designers face nowadays. Most cars are almost purposefully ugly though sadly.
Placing a 2000 GT and 2022 Civic Type R next to each other perfectly illustrates your point.
@@duncanajpv8 I think you're absolutely right. All the new Ferraris look good, but I think the Roma is the only truly beautiful one. I also like like the new Gordon Murray T.33, because they are both restrained, minimalist designs. At first glance, the T.33' looks clean and simple to the point of almost being plain looking. But the more I look at it, the more the uncluttered, coherent design has grown on me. I now think it's a beautiful car in the same aesthetic as a classic Ferrari or Alfa.
Watching the interviews with Murray, you learn that every line and feature are there for a reason, and that a lot of thought went into it. The Civic Type R's bodywork, by comparison, looks like a mishmash of crap and creases randomly stuck all over the car.
I think that car designs are a product of and serve as an indication of not only the aesthetic, but to a certain extent, the culture that created them, at that point in time. Have you noticed that new cars have an angry, aggressive, in-your-face, face that mirrors current angst and social turmoil? As we've lost our sense of humor and ability to just chill the f*** out, we've become a bunch of hyper-sensitive, angry, stressed out individuals looking for validation by standing out in the most tasteless and extreme ways possible.
If I were to pick one word to describe most new car designs, it would be graceless.
Earlier car designs were inspired by feline shapes mostly, modern car designs are inspired by robots
Looking at the Toyota 2000GT, which is iconic, it does make you realise what a wonderful achievement the 240Z was… at a similar price to the MGB GT….
Superb video comparison, probably unique! There is a mysterious and often disputed link between Yamaha / Toyota / Nissan with the 2000GT and Nissan 240Z, and a certain designer, Albrecht Graf von Goertz. However, the bible on this car is “Toyota 2000GT” by Shin Yoshikawa, and it does not mention Goertz once, but does contain hundreds of initial designs of the car, its outline, and construction, each signed by Toyota designer Satoru Nozaki. Back in 1985, I spent months trying to buy a UK based 2000GT and have plenty of photos to prove the point, there were only 2 in the UK, pity I can't share them on 'here'. The asking price at the time was just £20k .. and I was convinced it was going to be a good investment. It was Red and LHD and in fairly ‘tatty’ shape at the time. Sadly, I was gazumped late in the deal, much to my misfortune as they now have asking prices of $1M!. One overriding memory was just how small it was, and I had significant problems getting into the drivers seat with one leg either side of the wheel, knees wedged up tight against underside of dash, and my head pressed against roof lining. I didn't drive it because of this, and would have been unable to operate clutch for example. (for reference, it was about 4 inches narrower than a lotus Elise, but about 10 inches longer). Despite all that, I still wanted it !!
You mentioned Albrecht Graf von Goertz, reminds me of Edgar Schmued who designed the P51 Mustang and F86 jet but gets conveniently ommitted because he was German.
I was watching the Italian Job yesterday. The opening scenes with the red Muira are brill!
I love the Miura with my whole soul.
It was my favourite toy car as I was growing up and it's still my most desirable car.
Luv and Peace.
Eyelash model please?
Don’t get me wrong I love the miura but I’d have to have the 2000gt there’s just something about it’s size and the way it’s built.
you must be a very short dude?
007 and The Italian Job all in one, both are stunning cars, and probably the best looking cars ever made, brilliant video.
Wallace was the drive tester, the designer was a very young Gandini and a young Stanzani was the one mainly responsible for the rest (together with Dallara chef of the technical office at that time).
I remember seeing the Miura chassis at the Motor Show. For an adolescent auto-nut, it was an overwhelming experience. When I saw "The Italian Job", I hoped fervently that they hadn't sacrificed a real one fo rth epicture. (As we know, they hadn't; Iain found it.)
Good work Jack, great to see these two legends side by side.
The Miura has always been one of my favorite cars of all time, in fine company among the likes of the 58 Mercedes 300SL, Porsche 550a Spyder and Ferrari 330 P4.
The Porche 550, Porche's first production, Street legal, race car. It was the fatal ride (street accident) of James Dean, known as the "lil' bastard".
First mid engined production road car was the Bonnet Djet . You need take one of them for a spin, Jack - if you can find one.
The Lamborghini didn't have an LSD and needed it. The Toyota did have an LSD and probably didn't need it - not enough power and torque to really warrant it.
Both absolutely gorgeous cars - but in completely different ways.
Great video. Two fantastic cars. In keeping with your Italian roots...I hope you will one day decide to tell the story of the Maserati Biturbo...from the early versions to the last...Shamal, Racing, etc., as these were the last Maserati with genuine Maserati engines. Would love your experiences driving a few of them in comparison of the early vs later models.
Jack, two of the most stunning supercars ever made, the Miura especially, in that green is beyond beautiful from the 'eye lashes' on the lights backwards there isn't a single bad angle on it. The Toyota isn't half bad either!!
The Holy Miura is a given. A timeless Art piece.
The 2000 GT was a stunner at it's time. Remember the cars of the period, so bland, especially the Toyotas. If only for the headlamps, wow ! Never seen before !
The Toyota isn't a supercar!!, It's one level down, alongside Aston's, E Types. Corvettes
The Muiras headlights are from a Fiat 850 spider
I had the luck of seeing a Miura but it was in a small garage and they took it completely (not a figure of speech) apart… Engine, interior, gages, it was all in boxes in the shell
Absolutely outstanding film Jack!!! And thanks for doing the editing so quickly, I appreciate it!!!😉😆
Getting to check out the 2000GT and the Sports 800, you are lucky indeed 👍
Back in 1975, I saw a Miura in the pits, at Jackson County Sportsman's Park, at Medford Oregon. Both clamshells were up, and I thought I was looking at a spaceship.
I've only seen a Miura once, 45 years ago on Chatsworth Road Chesterfield in the exact same green hue as the one you've featured.
Wonderful video, really🙏🏼… one thing is not Stanzini but Gandini, Marcello Gandini, is the most best car designer of the world..Paolo stanzani is the developer☺️
Nothing compares to the phenomenal design of the iconic Miura. Leather interiors are a must in exotic supercars like the Miura for both aesthetics and safety. Being buffered against soft leather versus wood chards which can impale you in case of impact is the reason why exotic sports cars use soft-touch materials like leather, suede, or Alcantara.
Enjoyed that Jack, thank you 👍
Another great video. Both yourself and Ian I could listen to for hours.
The Miura was the first ever car on my bedroom wall as a kid in the 70's.
Both fantastic cars to have on the channel.
Thank you, hope you have a wonderful week!!
I have to say I love your videos. You have an excitement and enthusiasm that a number of presenters have lost. I worked for Ferrari for so many years that I started becoming numb to just how exciting they are. Please don't lose that enthusiasm you project .
There's no hiding the Lotus influence on the Toyota 2000GT. The chassis looks remarkably similar to a Lotus Elan or Esprit.
You e done well to get a hold of these two !
Well done mate 👍🏻
It's a near tossup to me as to which car I would choose to have. Both are incredibly beautiful, and top the list of cars I'd do anything to own. But sadly, I could never afford either.
I realize the Miura is faster, and a far more charismatic car, but being a mechanical engineer, and someone who has always maintained and repaired my own cars, I've come to appreciate well engineered and crafted machines. Having also collected and repaired high-end watches for over 40 years has given me a deep appreciation for precision, quality, and attention to detail. So although the Miura is fast and a technically interesting mid-engined car that neatly slots in with my Lotus Exige, it still somehow doesn't draw me in the way the 2000 GT does.
There's something about the 2000GT's obsessive attention to detail and the quality and finish in that interior that sets off my obsessive tendencies. To me, it's the automotive equivalent of a Patek Philippe or an American Grade 1872 Waltham watch movement, where as you disassemble it, you uncover detail after detail of fit and finish that only those who made or service the watch would ever see. It's perfection for the sake of perfection, rather than bragging rights. It really is like a piece of jewelry, and I could pore over its intricacies for hours on end.
It triggers that same OCD part of my brain that Tool's music does. When you spend 13 years creating one effing album in order to get every damned note and lyric exactly right, it shows, and Fear Innoculum is the only album I can listen to over and over again, partly because it's literally rewiring my brain in the process.
If I were to somehow acquire a 2000 GT, I would likely crawl all over, under, and in it, geeking out in a semi-catatonic state for hours on end. It is just so damned cool, and it is beautiful from every angle, and in every detail. Its being a car designed and built by perfectionists is why I would have to choose it over a Miura.
Jack, thank you for making another great video that just sent me down another rabbit hole. You pick the most thought-provoking topics.
Small correction:
Paolo Stanzni (with an A in the middle, not an I)
The best thing about Bob Wallace is how nonchalant he was about things. No boasting, no bullshitting. Everyone who met him can vouch for how focused he was.
Great video!
best show so far. Styling/design cues incl the Bull's head and horns silhouette when the Muira has both doors fully open and viewed from the front and above! The designers had to raid the Fiat parts bin for light lenses etc!
That’s great to hear.. shame it hasn’t done so well!!
@@Number27 the headline doesn’t grab Jack, that’s why it took me several days to give it a go. could have played on the fact that you were actually doing a collab with Iain.
Great comparison. Mr Dallara tells the incredible design story on Ian Tyrell’s channel. Also mentions that gauge of steel had to be increased after first series run.
Very informative video Jack and what a coup to get the absolute genius of Iain to feature.
You have them out in the rain! - that is criminal Jack!
There is a 4th model.
While still designated as a Miura SV, the last 25 cars built were very different.
All hand built and only 6 in right hand drive.
12 inch Michelin tyres at the front and 14 inch at the rear..... even with the flared guards , you could barely get a cigarette paper between the tyres and guards.
Only 3 squashed fingers under the side rails..... yet to my knowledge , they didn’t bottom out on a road and the tyres never touched the guards or other bodywork.
My uncle was Qld agent for Lamborghini for a short time and ended up collecting them.
When he took me for a ride in his, I couldn’t believe it.
He had to leave the bitumen to avoid on coming traffic at speed, but I never felt any bumps or thumps.
In my Cooper S, I felt everything. Even a chalk line. lol
The engine was also a little different and had very different air filter set up on the 6 dual throat Webber’s.
The wheels were specially made for the red car with gold trim.... gold wheels, but only 4 in full width.
The gold spare is only about 8 “ wide. lol
That one can... And also the original MR2 that could easily outhandle the Miura (or my friend Ben's original sixties Mini Cooper -- but then he is a racing driver, and the car has miraculous driveability!). :0)
I dont think you spotted that they actually made it represent the Miura Bull in styling?
Open both doors wide, glass down....and view from the front :)
2 Wonderful cars and a great video, the Miura the most beautiful of all Lambo's for me.
Two design icons Jack and great history of both cars 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
2000Gt is the one I would choose if I had the chance
Thanks for the great presentation of the context of these cars and their timeperiod instead of only nagging about issuse etc compared to todays cars.....Makes it so much more interesting to watch
I would take the 2000GT anyday over the Miura! Both are amazing cars but I love the design of the Toyota more
Thank you Jack, for another great Number 27!!! I love to hear about the technical details hidden beneath the beautiful surface of these cars. Thank you so much Jack. I am a huge fan of your channel. You review super cars, however you also review the daily drivers of the time. That is what makes your channel so special to me. This being said, I do have a personal request. If you ever come across a Fiat 127 1st series, I would love to see you reviewing that car. It was my first ever car, and I would love for you to take me on a ride in it. Greetings, Marc
I think the 2000gt looks a bit better than an e-type, but i know many people will disagree with me on that.
I’d like to see a show about the Volkswagen 1988 16 valve Scirocco.😀
Owned a few mk1 gli Scirocco Storms considered converting a GTX to 16v wish I had . I'd love to see one with a 20v bam engine in.
Really great video of two of my favourite cars if all time. Comparing and contrasting the two would not have occurred to me, but it does make sense in the way in which you presented them. I feel you should continue this theme with other combinations. Thank you.
Thank you Robert!!
Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale was 1st (or one of the 1st, but anyway earlier than Miura) mid-engined supercar. Miura just gets all the hype when it should not get.
That Miura is probably much better put together now than originally.
I was quite bummed that the convertible fact about the 2000GT was mentioned in the video because I wanted to mention it myself lol
Thanks Jack, great video, I really enjoyed it 👍🏼
Hi mate there is no competition between these two cars. One is The Miura, the other is a sport car...
Another great video Jack. Really well done! Thanks.
That 2000gt is one of the prettiest cars ever made. So elegant.
Jack, I think the Miura is the most beautiful car ever designed and built. I remember buying my first Road and Track back in (sorry don't remember the month) 1966, and the Miura was on the cover. Cars were pretty different to now, but I'd still love one !!
That Maura looks really low down, where could you drive it in this country, speed bumps and pot holes 🕳, I would just drain all the fluids out of it and park in the living room, great video Jack, 👍👍.
IIRC its about 100 miles from Modena to Milan
The first prototype of the Nissan showed on4:50 was beautiful as well. It had a striking resemblence of the Bertone coupes like the Iso Grifo and the Fiat Dino Coupe.
Oh, boy... When they first came out, I wanted a 2000GT in the worst way and ogled the magazine photos...then I got the chance to see it in the flesh at the NY Auto Show. It looked even better in person, lower and (alas) smaller. But I just did not fit: I'm almost 6'1" and even then weighed about 200#. I could shoehorn myself into the car, but my size 12 feet were WAY too big for the footwell, my head was on the roof (no Gurney bubble), and my shoulder was right up against the door. I made do with an E-Type, which actually cost LESS in the USA! Kept it for some time and really had very few issues.
I've had TWO Muiras, one P400 and the second one an SV, both bought (and sold) when prices for these things were relatively low. Unike the Toyota, I fit (barely) but just could not resist. The Engines were glorious, the gearboxes good but the linkage not so, but both cars felt to have more flexibility than you wanted in something with so much power, To say the handling at the limit was dicey is a serious understatement. Plus, the quality of anything other than the powertrain was just awful; everything imaginable (and some things not so) fell off or wore out. Compared with Ferraris of the same period, this was NOT acceptable; compared with anything else, this was horrific. Great to look at, though, and even better to listen to...
I love that Toyota but I bet the owner spends most of his/her time explaining to people
“No, it’s not an e-type Jag…it’s actually a Toyota”
All the best to everyone
The Miura is my dream car, yet to see one in the metal. That's Twiggy's old car, though i don't know if she ever drove it, i think her manager did. I have an Italian mate who's dad was over in Italy in 1979, he was offered a nice 69 P400S for £3000, he knocked it back as he though if he brought it back to the UK no one would want it as it was LHD.
Two great cars for us at once, good history summary to, thanks Jack!
What an experience for you to, you were smiling throughout!
Loved it!! Thanks for watching!
Jack had a little bit of fizz when he fiddled with the 2000GT gearshift
I did!!! 😄😄😄
My first car was an Austin Healey Sprite Mk II (the rebadged MG Midget with chrome and polished aluminum) I’m 6’2” and I had no problem fitting in this car as a matter fact I had friends that were much taller that had no problem getting in this car. Japanese are shorter on average to British.
Thanks, I saw and watched a bright yellow Miura on an inner Sydney street back in 1971. He gave his girlfriend a demo across a set of lights, I was one car back in the adjacent lane. It was so quick off the mark...awesome short burst of power. I wonder what happened to it??
I'll probably be heckled from the side lines here, but the Miura is imho, "the" best looking car from any angle ever produced, it is just stunning still today some 50+ years later, and remains my absolute favourite Lamborghini, ever since I first saw the Italian job as a kid, the way the body sits over the wheels like a Cheetah waiting to pounce, the slats in the doors, it is just a stunning piece of design, if I had a big lotto win, a late model Miura would be sitting in my garage about a week later, but not in puce Green I hasten to add.
Interesting about the Miura being tested on the local roads, I lived just south of Bologna from 2016-2018, and still today you can hear Lambo's and Ferrari's being tested on the local roads.. just incredible.
Casually in the background of Iain's video.....Countach engine and gearbox freshly pulled from Harry Metcalfe's car. Keep up the great content jack
I remember on the Autostrada del Sole running southbound, I was lucky to follow a Ferrari Mondial 4 Valvole with the iconic Licence Plate MO PROVA 1. I was amazed how normal the tester was driving the car in public. Then I realised something: From the exhaust you could see a little bit of smoke for a moment and I knew this guy was running through the gears at nearly a hundred miles per hour. He shifted back to third and fourth many times.
I met a guy who lived in the region about 45 years ago: He told me it was very common to see Lamborghinis, Ferraris and Maseratis being tested on normal roads and he meant not the highways.
The police would let them run at any speed they liked and did never interfer: That is Italy. A Swiss friend from Switzerland was speeding inside the city of Rome late at night. He was shocked to see the police show up beside him at a red traffic light. The cops made a sign, making it clear that they wanted to race with my friend. So both took off full speed. He never told me who won. I am sure the tuned police car did win without to much effort.
Saw a Toyota 2000 gt in about 1971 wanted one ever since still on the bucket list unfortunately
I have a 91 Toyota Corolla GT-i 16v twin cam > Light years ahead of any other of it's contemporaries, such as the XR33i, 205GTi and ANY Golf f
I saw a 2000GT at the Ulster Motor Show back in the late 60's (so when I was still under 10), and had to be dragged away . . .
I believe I was given a brochure, but alas, that is long lost
2000Gt can be readily replicated from Toyotas' own parts bin, but with 4 seats- I took a 1972 Mk II Corona coupe, and simply added the 1G-GZE & auto from an '87 Crown Royal Saloon, the LSD from an '86 Crown RS & had a very fun car. ( 1100kg & 210 bhp, with basically no work whatsoever beyond a swirl pot & Haltech ECU).
Sad to say- I sold it, a couple of decàdes ago.
Great video jack, forgot to comment. The Toyota reminds me of the modern day Honda S2000, really special and at the time of sale as new fairly affordable. Not sure if an S2000 would look good with a wooden dash though!
The miura is lovely, and from. Mr Tyrell Im learning that lamborghini (til Audisation) at least was more than just Countachs.
Great video, pity you didn't fit in Toyota.
Best wishes. Ben 🚌🚍🙏🤞🇬🇧🇺🇦
2000 GT has by far the better engine and layout and quality! Toyota cars have the best quality of all cars!
Hi Jack - this video is a hit out of the park. This must be one of your best so far. Your commentary is so good and so detailed. The cinematography is varied and well done. Your editing has created a wonderfully coherent and compelling narrative.
Superbly done my friend - Cheers
Thank you David, that’s great to hear!!
1280KG and 280bhp. Perfect power to weight formula for a fun sports car. 40 years later did it trickle down to us blue collar workers to experience what the elites got to experience for decades? No. The Toyota GR86 is 1280KG and 227bhp. That's why I'm incredibly disappointed, it was the last chance before electrification and they blew it :(
I’ve never seen how beautiful Toyota 2000 GT is until this video. It’s absolutely gorgeous in that shiny red paint. If I have to choose one however based on sheer beauty, it’s still going to be the Miura. If I could afford both, I’d keep them both, along with Jaguar E-Type and Mclaren F1.
That pic of the chassis looks like a 4 seat Lotus
Fantastic video and great collaboration.👏
Thank you Nate… I’ll keep the Scirrocco in mind!!
i can't believe Iain Tyrrell of Iain Tyrrell's classic cars' met the iconic legend Marcello Gandini and the guys' who built the Miura too he also filmed driving the road and with the car which was in The Italian Job! i hope you've watched it Jack and thanks for another vid' 😍💚💪🏎
That Miura is a beautiful car especially in that colour. 😎
Thanks Jack - both cars around 55 years old and yet they would still turn the head of any petrol head skool kid. I believe when Rod Stewart had his 1st number 1 (and 1st major hit) with Maggie May in 1971, he traded-in his TVR for a Miura
Giotto Bizzarrini (Motor), Paolo Stanzani und Dallara (Fahrwerk) mit Marcello Gandini (Design), der Miura ist ehrlich gesagt für niemanden erreichbar, nicht einmal für Toyota. Die Engländer kommen mir seltsam vor. Wie kann man diesen Toyota mit einem Miura vergleichen?
Great video as always. Being born in the sixties, many of us of course know every curve of the Muira from the gold Matchbox model with Superfast wheels we had accompanied by the blue Lotus Europa. Still undoubtedly one one of the most beautiful cars ever designed (along with the Ferrari 330 P4) that you have to see in the flesh to appreciate. Not a fan of the Toyota I must confess although I can appreciate its virtues, I was surprised at its value. Other aspects of the Muira were it originally had 80 series tyres as low profile tyres were not made then and as I understand it the door grills when both doors were fully opened were supposed to give the appearance of bull’s horns when viewed from the front. Thanks once again.
Thank you for watching Jeff and glad you enjoyed it!!
Superb video, well presented, great editing. Terrific achievement.
Too kind, thank you so much Nick!
Excellent video! Question what are those panels behind the front wheels for??
As mentioned by Jonathan.. battery and other access panels! Thanks for watching!
Amazing cars. And yes the Toyota is small, i been near that 2000GT and is amazing
Excellent video and collaboration!!!
two of the most beautiful cars ever made...
My bike uses the same lubrication for the engine and the transmission (Honda CTX700 with a DCT transmission). It works perfectly. But then... it's a Japanese machine :)
Love the graphics really helps understand
Only 3 mins in and this is a great video. Hadn't seen this channel before but, subscribed. They are both stunning cars. I have an affinity for Japanese cars so the 2000GT has my heart. Having seen one in person, the beauty is something to behold.
What a wonderful program. Thank you so much.
Learnt a lot. Loved all of it.
That’s great! Thanks Simon!!
In the late sixties a house cost around $14,000 dollars, so even then the price of the cars were out of most peoples price range
Saluti dall’Italia 🇮🇹
Saluti Guido e buon Weekend!!
I remember back in the mid 90s a miura was worth 250- 300k, damn they have shot up in value. That Toyota, I can’t believe that value.
Gorgeous cars. I'd have actually guessed that the Toyota was worth more than the Lamborghini at today's values, given its rarity, jewel-like craftsmanship, and its significance to the history of the Japanese car industry.
Love the Miura, low slung down, looks sexy af!
Jack, this is by far the best video you have done . Cheers.
Glad you enjoyed it!! Thanks for watching!