If This Tkachuk Story Is True, It's UNFORGIVABLE For Them..
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- Опубликовано: 3 май 2023
- Nhl news today in the middle of nhl playoffs 2023 we NEED to talk about this matthew tkachuk calgary flames debacle from before he was with the florida panthers . Nhl highlights today matthew tkachuk highlights nhl hockey 2023 stanley cup playoffs nhl reaction panthers vs maple leafs game 2 tonight we'll see if tkachuk makes the trade look even worse. Nhl playoffs tonight round 2 schedule florida panthers vs toronto maple leafs highlights 2023
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The clip of him in the locker room after the game 5 win, still down 3-2 to the Bruins, saying “remember this room. We’ll be back for game 7” was one of my favorite moments this playoffs. Legend
Hate him as a player but that was pretty legendary of him saying that and then actually beating them in game 7. Honestly that is a captain material.
do you think he was the first hockey player to say that? Where do you think he got it from? do you think he just made it up?
the fact is Tkachuk wanted out of Calgary like 2 years ago!! so there was no amount of $$ that would keep him. end of story. chapter closed. we now have Huberdeau and Kadri and they will light up the ice next season. Let's just stay positive here folks!!
@@veritasgurunot happening lol 😂
@@ChiefBlue4298 I guess we all have our bets to hedge for me this is a given, you can play it safe. at the end of the day, when Kadri and Hubey fire (not IF) it will be a party worth being part of...Go Flames!
Worst decision Canucks ever made was drafting Olli Juolevi instead of Tkachuk…remember watching the draft and seeing him still available when Canucks went and was super excited…but once again Canucks suck at drafting and drafted a player who doesn’t even play in the nhl. Legends.
Juolevi was the fortnite addict
Who even is that
Another Classic Jimbo move
He was great prospect at the time. One of the best defensman in that draftclass. Injuries pretty much messed up his career. Hasn't had a full season since his draft year.
@@ryhtijorma yeah, they talked about how they wanted and needed a defencemen and went with Juolevi. Which is wrong. You’re supposed to always draft best player available no matter what.
ya, worse deal ever. could have kept him in the west. now he is HELL on the east. Thanks Calgary from a LEAFS fan.
As a Bruins fan...hold my beer.
I’m a Calgary fan and didn’t care about losing Johnny but damn losing chucky tough. He’s the guy you want on your team.
Guy is a pest but fuck he can play
He didn’t want to sign long term in florida
@@owenposer6720 No, but I think he's bought into cat territory now. I don't think he's going anywhere anytime soon😊
@@owenposer6720if he didnt want to why did he? Did you hear the story where he was at bradys engagement party and legit stood up n yelled i got traded to florida! Yeah i think he wanted it to happen and hes happy it did now
As a flames fan, upset that he is gone but what can you do now. I’m happy for him in Florida, he seems happy and he’s making the playoff rounds. Good for him
Kinda wish he played like this in the Playoffs last year though...
Your response is too measured! YOU MUST BE OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!
@@Scissors3259 Mcdrai mentally broke him and Gaudreau 🤣
HEY BRO HOW ARE THE FLAMES DOING IN THE PLAYOFFS?!?!?!?!
@@xidis8022 rofl yup
i’m upset all over again.
Tkachuk and Bennet in Florida are two good reasons Treliving and Sutter are no longer with the Flames
the fact is Tkachuk wanted out of Calgary like 2 years ago!! so there was no amount of $$ that would keep him. end of story. chapter closed. we now have Huberdeau and Kadri and they will light up the ice next season. Let's just stay positive here folks!!
@@veritasguru what are you even talking about? if you combine kadri and huberdeaus points they had just 2 more than tkachuk
Bennet was a flop here.
@@bobsmith962 bennett wasn’t a flop management never gave him a chance
@@CuziCan15 thats because Kadri and Huberdeau were playing under a fuking tyrant who wanted them to play his shit system. let Kadri and Hubey play the hockey they know that is being played in the playoffs today and you will see what a difference it makes. I am not bashing Tkachuk but Kadri is a better player. Tkachuk has won nothing, Kadri lifted the Avs to stardom with players like the rat, mack, makar and landeskog. so pay heed here bro and you will see what I am talking about. need to treat Kadri right, he deserves the C and we need to get rid of coach cock sukers in Lindholm and Backlund. thats it.
Tkachuk is living his best life now. He’s living in the sunny south,playing on a WINNING team AND getting paid. I wish him the very best of luck!
You play for climate? By your logic, he should have went to St. Louis
@@dylanr8481 I’ve heard some ppl say also either no or low income tax so that also pretty huge. Still miss him here tho
@@Julio-ju2yl it's true, Florida is low tax
Yeah, being a millionaire in Miami is a dream !
@@dylanr8481 what does St. Louis have for weather ??? I’m
Missing your joke ?
I remember when the Huberdeau/Tkachuk trade went down and Flames fans screamed victory. Nhl.cop even ranked Weegar as a top-25 defenseman. Great seeing the Panthers come out with the W in this one, Tkachuk is a future hall of famer.
The flames coach is 100 percent responsible for their failure this season. Watch them next year after they hire Ted Nolan or whoever......
No, he's not a future HOF ffs
@@basilperdikakis7627and they’ll still underachieve again
I think the flames looked at it as a W w the situation they were dealt, not like they won the Tkachuk trade
@@RandallK1968NS He's 25 years old and he's breaking loose. Two monster seasons and an insane playoffs. He's just getting started. Why would you bet against that?
100% accurate. He always said he wanted to be a flame for life and was so happy when the flames drafted him. He was asked if he wished he was drafted higher and he said no way he only wanted to play for the flames. Something happening with the bridge and then they brought in Sutter and wouldnt assign a captain unlike every other team and there was also a general lack of passion and lack of winning culture, which made him want to move on. He still never trash talked the organization afterwards. Only ever said good things.
It's funny how classy he is off ice
To be fair if he wanted to be a flame for life hed still be a flame
@@FalloutUrMum it’s the same as marchand. I feel like those pest type players are actually the nicest guys off the ice
Most 18 year olds are happy as all hell and say they wanna stay on the team forever
Unlike Johnny, he let the team know he wasn’t going to resign & wanted to be traded & so they can get something in return for him.
Tkachuk himself has referenced this in interviews in the past. As a flames fan it's insanely frustrating. I can't grasp why people are upset brad is gone. The lack of foresight with Tkachuk, gaudreau, Giordano and Monahan are all unforgivable.
couldn't agree with you more. Local media will praise Treliving but all of the players you mentioned, including Bennett are gone. And we got absolutely nothing of value for them.
Yeah I’m absolutely sick of people in the media gushing about Brad. “He’s such a good person and GM”. Blah blah blah. Sure he’s a good person but not a good GM. When he had the opportunity to sign Tkachuck long term he didn’t. Same thing with Gaudreau.
Giordano isn't that good. Agree with the rest of that list.
@michael JJan to me he should've been traded long before he was taken. You have a guy in his mid 30s winning a Norris trophy you instantly take advantage of that value that will never resurface at that age.
@@michaeljjan6344 thats norris winning defenseman giordano to you
Even as an Oilers fan who hated Tkachuk, I certainly appreciated what he contributed to the Battle of Alberta. It's not the same without him. It's quite boring without him. Best of luck to him for the rest of the playoffs. 👍
how many times do the flames play the oilers ? Braindead commish is ruining every rivalry in the league. I am on the east coast in NY and he murdered the Islander s Rangers rivalry
As a Panthers fan I have overflowing joy watching this. Thanks Flames!
There are literally dozens of you! 😂😂😂
@@MrBlair56 Just makes it feel more special
Likewise!! (I’m one of the dozens 😂)
Where was it flowing from .
Both brothers are just like their dad, I don't know how anyone could let either go.
Yeah, seems like Brady has more of their dad's personality. Keith was coming towards the end of his career when I got into hockey but it seemed to be he was a power forward but a quiet one.
How anyone could let them go or pass them by at the draft … but hey Marc Bergevin as a Gm for the montreal Canadiens did !🤣🤣
the fact is Tkachuk wanted out of Calgary like 2 years ago!! so there was no amount of $$ that would keep him. end of story. chapter closed. we now have Huberdeau and Kadri and they will light up the ice next season. Let's just stay positive here folks!!
Ottawa, hold my beer.
Probably.
@@mrillis9259 definitely! Ottawa has a great player in Brady, I live in Ottawa & that's all Ottawa fans & sports radio talk about. Sens gonna be a going concern the next few years.
I think keeping the team together was always just the story they wanted to tell. If you listen to Tkachuk on Spittin Chicklets after he was traded he actually talks about holding out that summer. I think he didn’t care to go along with the narrative anymore after he wasn’t in Calgary. Also came out in that interview that Tkachuk despised Sutter
Sutter was a big part of the motivation. Old school hockey grinding and no flare for new innovative playing styles. Mgmt really botched this all around.
He said he couldn't stand Sutter as soon as he got to Fla. Said it's so refreshing to have a coach that knows how to talk to players.
the fact is Tkachuk wanted out of Calgary like 2 years ago!! so there was no amount of $$ that would keep him. end of story. chapter closed. we now have Huberdeau and Kadri and they will light up the ice next season. Let's just stay positive here folks!!
And his contract is LESS than Huberdeau’s lol. And with how Montour has stepped up so majorly, looking better than Weegar ever was, Florida looks to be in great shape.
“I never would have imagined myself signing a three year deal with Calgary back in 2019. I was committed to signing long term. Last second the only deal that could work for them was that” - Matthew Tkachuk.
Source?
@@yooowhatupribs ruclips.net/video/xeFcxzEzgHM/видео.html
the fact is Tkachuk wanted out of Calgary like 2 years ago!! so there was no amount of $$ that would keep him. end of story. chapter closed. we now have Huberdeau and Kadri and they will light up the ice next season. Let's just stay positive here folks!!
@@veritasguru that's contradictory to what you're responding to 🤔
@@yooowhatupribs is it?
To play the devil's advocate, even if the Flames extended Tkachuk, there is still 0 guarantee he would still be a Flame today much less the captain. If he was given a long term contract and started to feel disconnected like he did, his performance would likely be affected or he would have just requested a trade and the team could very well be in the same situation.
He talks about how that is still a better situation than the current state in this video
As a life long florida panther fan, I see this as an absolute win
the fact is Tkachuk wanted out of Calgary like 2 years ago!! so there was no amount of $$ that would keep him. end of story. chapter closed. we now have Huberdeau and Kadri and they will light up the ice next season. Let's just stay positive here folks!!
@@PolarBearPredator correct
Most people knew this at the time. This is nothing earth shattering. Most Flames fans wanted him signed for the 8 years, not the bridge deal. Whether it was to keep Frolik is anyones guess, maybe it was maybe it wasnt, doesnt really matter now. Trelliving took a calculated risk/gamble and signed Tkachuk to the bridge, he had seasons of 48 points, 49 and 77 points. He was coming around but nobody thought he would become a player that has multiple 100+ point seasons at this point of his career. Remember, when he signed his new bridge contract his productivity dropped quite a bit the next 2 seasons. He went from 34 goals and 77 points (in 80 games) in his contract year to 23 goals and 61 points (in 69 games) in the first season of his new $7M AAV contract. The second season of his new contract his productivity dropped even more. 16 goals and 34 points in 56 games is hardly a $7 million dollar player and people were saying "thank god we didnt sign him for 8 years and $9 or $10 million a year"
Lets also not forget about the numerous "players only" team meetings the first couple years of his new bridge deal that the team had over Tkachuk antics on the ice and how many players were getting tired of sticking up for him over senseless stuff.
Hindsights always 20/20 but at the time of the bridge nobody could have predicted numerous 100+ point seasons from Tkachuk 😊
the fact is Tkachuk wanted out of Calgary like 2 years ago!! so there was no amount of $$ that would keep him. end of story. chapter closed. we now have Huberdeau and Kadri and they will light up the ice next season. Let's just stay positive here folks!!
What was unforgiveable is Jim Benning passing on Matthew Tkachuk to take Ollie Juolevi lol
Ollie was the unnamed video game addict.
And Clayton Keller at 7! Sergachev at 9! McAvoy was 14! SMDH
Thank you for this. I was wondering how the Flames could let me down during the offseason
People kept saying that he had 100 points because of Gaudreau , I think it was the other way around. Tkachuk makes everyone around him better
As a Panthers fan, after hearing how we got fleeced in the Tkachuk deal until not to long into the season, I couldn’t be happier about how it worked out. Tkachuk is an absolute beast and I can’t wait to watch him play here for the next 7+ years.
The Tkachuks are both so good and tough you'd think they were Canadian
Except Keith was American...LOL
Their mom is Canadian.
the fact is Tkachuk wanted out of Calgary like 2 years ago!! so there was no amount of $$ that would keep him. end of story. chapter closed. we now have Huberdeau and Kadri and they will light up the ice next season. Let's just stay positive here folks!!
@@veritasguru stay positive about what won't happen
@@KyprosEc what will happen will happen, I am extremely confident about my optimism.
I like Chuky and ended up kind of rooting for the flames in the west because of him. He is one of my favorite players that's not on the pens.
The Flames would have at least converted half a dozen OT/SOL's into the win column if Tkachuk was playing with one hand.
If it makes Flames fans feel better, Canucks or Oilers couldve drafted Tkachuk at 4 or 5. Also, the Sabres gave up Montour and look at him now...
Not a Flames fan -- but Tkachuk is a beast -- and if the scuttlebutt is true -- that's rough rocks without a doubt. That whole scenario should be taught in GM University as a step-by-step guide for how to get fired into the sun.
Holy shit. You blowing up my man 💣 🔥
I don’t think he wanted to be a lifelong Flame. Good on him to say all the right things, but his game is at another level right now. I didn’t see this amount of passion in Calgary. Although someone stated in the comments here that Tkachuk wasn’t thrilled with the effort being put out around him there. If that was indeed the case, good on him for moving on. Nothing worse than giving your all, and your teammates not doing the same.
I remember there was a game a few years ago where Tkachuk got the puck flipped at him and his teammates just stood there. That, combined with the flames not wanting to give him the C and his issues with Sutter, I think he felt the team and coach didn't fully have his back. We know now Sutter tried to hold him back and didn't fully embrace his play style. Just seemed like a toxic situation, it's never a good sign when every single good player wants to leave... I think he just said the "right things" because he wants to respect the fans. Although so many Flames fans flipped on him after he was traded, most realize he wasn't the issue. Sutter should have been long gone.
Tkachuk loves it Florida, he is American, pays very little taxes, no snow.. He loves it there
And sane governor, which is rare nowadays.
Florida is dope but half the year it's unbearably hot lol
I love how they all ignore that he might have wanted to be in Florida and nothing they were going to do would stop that.
@@Jz9222 There is no such thing as a sane US politician
@@mvk4343 Honestly as a Canadian, I think our prime minister is more extreme than those US politicians
Loved watching him play with Mitch on the London Knight's, when they won the Memorial Cup.
the fact is Tkachuk wanted out of Calgary like 2 years ago!! so there was no amount of $$ that would keep him. end of story. chapter closed. we now have Huberdeau and Kadri and they will light up the ice next season. Let's just stay positive here folks!!
And what if Tkachuk turned out to be a bust after a long term deal ? Happens all the time. A player does well before signing a long term deal and then, once signed, numbers drop. Look at Kadri. No one has a crystal ball that can predict these things.
Thays the risk you take but it was pretty damn clear that Tkachuk wasn't going to be a bust.
Kadri was off to a good start this season, and then it fell right off. I wonder what happened?
the fact is Tkachuk wanted out of Calgary like 2 years ago!! so there was no amount of $$ that would keep him. end of story. chapter closed. we now have Huberdeau and Kadri and they will light up the ice next season. Let's just stay positive here folks!!
Tkachuk was a keeper, worse case scenario you overpay him a couple million. Losing and disrespecting a player is unacceptable. Up in flames 🔥
Ouch!!! That really hurts!
Good video. Regarding the Tkachuk trade. Thought it was good trade for Flames, getting Huberdeau, Weager and first. But the Flames screwed up big time with that 10,5m X 8 years extension for Huberdeau which will start when he's 30 years of age
Brett Hull, Joe Neiuwendyk, Doug Gilmour, Mike Vernon, Martin St. Louis, Matthew Tkachuk... Flames getting rid of players and it coming back to bite us in the ass, that's pretty much how we roll. Our lot in life as Flames fans is to suffer after the trade
Joe N for iginla?
I think Barkov will, again, raise to the occasion either in these playoffs or next year and take the mantle of the teams superstar. I think he can mesh well with most other players but not click with them instantaneusly. I think they'll be brilliant together although I still kind of miss the chemistry between Barkov and Huberdeau. The future for Florida is still bright.
Man Flames fans have just been in the rough for 2 decades now, just so much under achieving every year. Treliving really turned out to be a dud of a GM, it’s terrible ownership decisions like that that’s lead to results like this season
This is such a stupid take. Whether he had that contract or not he was leaving. He didn’t leave because he didn’t like Calgary, he left because Gaudreau left.
And if he stayed I can guarantee he wasn’t going to actually play for them. He would have pulled a Jack Eichel and refused to play until he was traded.
This. Just because he had a contract doesn't mean he wouldn't have asked out. The combo of Gaudreau leaving and Sutter being there he would've asked out.
As a former Flames fan. It hurts to see such a talented and loyal player go like this...
Now the panthers with lots of young talent collected another fantastic player with lots of experience.
Like thanos collecting another stone for his gauntlet.
They are dumping on the leafs 3-0 no one saw it coming.
Leon Draisaitl was in a very similar situation. He ended up with an 8.5*8 contract that some people thought was overpayed at the time. Tkachuk probably would have taken 9 or 9.5*8 but instead they walked him to free agency.
The one deal Peter Chiarelli didn’t derp up. Either he’s lucky or he knew something we didn’t with Draisaitl
As a Canucks fan I wanted him in 2016 instead of Olli Juolevi at 5th, during his draft year I knew the type of player he was going to become. I have a feeling the same story will be true with Elias Pettersson, after his entry level deal he signed a 3 year bridge deal, and after next season I won’t blame him if he leaves Vancouver. Going back to the Michael Frolik part, I’m going to guess Tanner Pearson was the guy they wanted to keep so they gave him a bridge over a long term deal.
Why would you pick Juolevi over Tkachuk is ridiculous. But that is Canucks drafting. Just the name Tkachuk is worth picking. LOL. Imagine Tkachuk with Cancuks. I think they would be in the the playoffs more than missing them. But again with the Canucks, they probably would of screw something up so he wouldn't develop properly or wanted to get traded.
@@sucraf1 Ya I always had more confidence in Tkachuk and wanted him more back then, but if we picked him I don’t believe we would have gotten Pettersson and Hughes, at that time we needed defence, Joulevi was the best available then, but after him were other defencemen like Mikhail Sergachev, Charlie McAvoy, and Adam Fox. Just imagine that and then later on if we got Quinn Hughes.
Tough break here....8 yr deal with the C would've been preferable
the fact is Tkachuk wanted out of Calgary like 2 years ago!! so there was no amount of $$ that would keep him. end of story. chapter closed. we now have Huberdeau and Kadri and they will light up the ice next season. Let's just stay positive here folks!!
We bridged Tkachuk to keep Frolik for a few months. Oh man.. you just ruined my lunch break.
If this is true, WOW 🤦🏾♂️
He’s been a beast and now he’s been unleashed!
Love the channel, love you personally.
.., But I think a lot of his greatness as of late is possibly the maturing and the evolution that comes from professional hockey players and athletes that don't stick with the same team like you're talking about.
i'm already giving half of the credit for the Stanley Cup they win this year to their coach. There I said it fight-me!!!
Just to be clear I'm opening the offer of an invitation to fight anybody else that is not Mr Johnny hockey... That boy is tough.
Better off just keeping the blood on the ice
Tkachuk didn't want to stay in Calgary, they had no choice to trade him.
Tkachuk has already said he wanted a long term deal.
It's becoming very clear that the owners are actually the biggest problem with the Flames. Every since King passed it's been down hill. Everything has to go through the nitpicking owners and the GM has less power then they should have. Not sure if that should fall 100% on Tree for that story(if true). They made him sign Sutter, then he wasn't allowed to get ride of him, now since everyone else will walk too, they finally said goodbye to him. The owners need to stay out of, what they hire people to do for them, that's their job and what you hired them for.
I think we're better off than Vancouver, but yes. Even sign him long term, and if he's a dud, trade him. Look at the other bad contracts in the league. This would have been one of many. However, the downside now, is, unemployment, perhaps permanently for Tree.
oof. I feel the pain in your voice... Tough break, Johnny. Maybe it'll all work out in the end!
I think Johnny leaving was a major blow to him wanting anything to do with Calgary. They had statistically the best line in hockey with lindholm, and won the pacific division.
Things looked bright in Calgary, and you think he left cause of Michael frolik?
Welcome to the club. My Jets let Paul Maurice go. Well, well, turns out he wasn't the problem, but at least he and Tkachuk are now enjoying some great playoff hockey.
At least Ottowa was smart enough to sign Brady long term
I can’t believe after this trade was done late into the night when it was announced I was so pissed thinking this was a win by flames. Maybe it’s because it was coming off the cusp of a president trophy season and the raw feeling of bowing out in the 2nd round. It was the first time we had hope as panthers fans. But after the dust settled. I feel like the panthers made out big. Hubby is mehh in the big games and Keith is that guy you need in the trenches come playoff time. The dirty greasy goals with the ability to score the sexy ones too. You want and need that kinda guy. Flames fumbled this hard. Panthers got a better player and a younger one at that.
If the flames can get a coach that has a better offensive upside to him they I’m sure Huber would do much better, sutter is a defensive coach, huberdeau was used to offence. Just saying the trade may be lost now but they still got a great defenceman and a former 100p player
Chuky said on Spittin' Chiclets Ep 414 @ 1:59:00 (Nov 8, 2022)
He's was looking for 6, 7, 8 years.
:(
I remember last year when ALL Flames fans said that the Panthers were ROBBED. That the deal that they made was "Highway Robbery" and that it would be forever until we recovered from it. Well those statements aged like milk. Tkachuk, honestly is a Top 10 player in this league, but during the playoffs he's irreplaceable. After watching Huberdeau for years I knew that Tkachuk was EXACTLY what the Panthers needed and he is a bargain at 9.5 AAV. Thanks Treliving
Treliving's worst decision was not making a move for a more reliable goaltender at the deadline. Doing just this would have saved his job. It could have even been as simple as bringing in James Reimer. Markstrom continuing to play and continuing to drop the ball during key games down the stretch destroyed this team.
Yeah is Markstrom signed for a while though? If he is they are kind of forced to use him unless they try to move him. His game dipped a bit though like you say, making a move difficult. Flames have gone through some goalies of late, and in the past have been unlucky with highly touted drafted goaltenders. But every team wants the solid GoTo guy and those are few and far between. I agree though, with better goaltending the Flames would be better, but that is every team.
AND, and the Leafs in their never failing wisdom now have that very GM. Just brilliant.
Panthers legend Michael Frolik doing Gods work.
Tkachuk and Marner played on the London Knights Memorial Cup winning team in 2016, with Mathew playing on a “Sprained ankle”. He scored the Cup wining goal in OT. If that didn’t tell the Flames what kind of player he was, no wonder they lost him to Florida and it’s showing now.
And that's why Pierre Dorion deserves a lot credit for being able to sign Brady and Timmy to long term contracts here next will be Sanderson and there's no doubt they will sign him long term. The Ottawa Senators are doing it the right way by signing all their young stars players to long term contract.
As an oil fan.. I luv the deal.. cause now I can enjoy the little bastard instead of hate his guts. Thanks brad lol
really sad about what happened to him
the fact is Tkachuk wanted out of Calgary like 2 years ago!! so there was no amount of $$ that would keep him. end of story. chapter closed. we now have Huberdeau and Kadri and they will light up the ice next season. Let's just stay positive here folks!!
@@veritasguru Just gotta pray that it works out better than the last season
@@firedropyt sure, you are right to a certain extent. but we can't leave it all for God Almighty to solve it for us. gotta do our homework. so, keep Hubey with Kadri, get rid of coaches pets like Linhholm and Backlund and the rest will take care of it self. oh get Boudreau or Milbury or Cassidy or best yet Paul Maurice as coach, the Flames are winning the Cup next year. Go Flames!
Zito working on getting Brady to play on that Bennett line
I think it was pretty obvious that things weren't working out with the old core so not too heart broken about this story. Flames did a great job of making what was, on paper, a well rounded team that could shut down the Oilers in the playoffs. How were they supposed to predict that Huberdeau and Kadri would just take the money and stop trying?
They had the best line last year wdym it wasn’t working. Markstrom was garbanzo in the playoffs though
Tkachuk was young so good bet he would keep improving. Huberdeau and Kadri are 30 and 32. Safe bet they will decline. It is still ridiculous to criticize without knowing the specifics. Tkachuk might simply not want to be in Calgary.
the fact is Tkachuk wanted out of Calgary like 2 years ago!! so there was no amount of $$ that would keep him. end of story. chapter closed. we now have Huberdeau and Kadri and they will light up the ice next season. Let's just stay positive here folks!!
The Sens learned from this. They signed his brother long term out of his Entry Level Deal. Tkachuk was always going to leave, I firmly believe that. But at least had the flame signed him to an 8 year deal out of his ELC, they would have bought the first 3 years of his UFA eligibility.
With all that said, I did not expect Calgary to be so bad with weegar and huberdeau. Maybe they’ll turn it around next season
I think they will!…suter was the wrong coach for this team!
And he scores in the 4th OT early this morning to give the Panthers a 1-0 Series lead......Tkchuck is playing on another level these playoffs 👊
As a panthers fan, thx!
Worst decision the oilers made that will prevent them from winning the cup this year was drafting Jesse instead of Tkachuk that year. Imagine how much more devastating the oil offense would be with Tkachuk in there.
In 1995 I was at the Coliseum for the entry draft. The Oilers had the 6th pick. They picked Steve Kelly. A groan went through the entire building. Shane Doan was available. He was from central Alberta and was considered a local boy. Steve Kelly lasted less than two years. The Oilers also drafted Jason Bonsorgne. Same thing. They did draft Ryan Smyth. It is bad when the average fan in the stands knows better than the Oiler management who to draft. Steve Kelly a year and a half and Shane Doan 17 years.
As a Flames fan it was upsetting that a star in the making wanted to sign long term but wasn't able to get done, but I'm happy to see him doing great in Florida
the fact is Tkachuk wanted out of Calgary like 2 years ago!! so there was no amount of $$ that would keep him. end of story. chapter closed. we now have Huberdeau and Kadri and they will light up the ice next season. Let's just stay positive here folks!!
I don't know if you could point the blame at any one person. But at the end of the day it's all mismanagement. Very frustrating. Time for a full rebuild.
Tax rates in Florida HAVE to be cheaper than they are in Canada. Except for maybe property taxes. Also it would open the door for him to stay in the states indefinitely.
It's much much MUCH better than Canada. FL doesn't even have a state income tax. I couldn't imagine playing for a Canadian team knowing your buds south of you are making so much more money than you are because nearly half of your income goes to Trudeau and his gay parties.
Your looking at this with a lot of privilege of hindsight. However, a few things I would point out. Tkachuck signing an 8 year deal would have simply cost too much. Frolik eventually being traded was a cap dump - which could also point to Treliving making sure the cap space was available in the future to extend Tkachuck. Tkachuck announced a year early he wouldn't sign. So a guy says he wanted to sign long term, but then two years later says he won't sign long term and somehow that is Treliving's fault? Had Tkachuck signed long term, would he have hamstrung the organization and publicly demanded a trade?
Bridging gaudreau and thachuk is reason enough why treliving shoul have been gone earlier
Keith's son is a perfect fit for the cats
Tkachuk lives in Johnny’s head rent free. Crazy how much he can’t stop talking about what’s in the past.
Never once heard him bitch about being a Flame or being in Calgary. So I'm inclined to believe it. The only thing I ever hear him bitch about it is losing, not pummeling an opponent enough, or Drew Doughty.
Tkchuck really woke up in September last season and was like, “I’m gonna be one of the best players in the world this year” and then he did.
Oh that's what he was like ?
Shortly after the Flames shipped Tkachuk off, everyone kept saying they won the deal by far for getting Hube and Weeger in return, and how they were gonna squeeze way more points and value out of those two than they would out of Tkachuk.
Tkachuk has always been a great player...
As a Wild fan, this makes me feel not so bad when thinking about how Kaprizov is going to walk at the end of his contract to go to a winning team
the fact is Tkachuk wanted out of Calgary like 2 years ago!! so there was no amount of $$ that would keep him. end of story. chapter closed. we now have Huberdeau and Kadri and they will light up the ice next season. Let's just stay positive here folks!!
Never thought I’d see the day he’d want out
Dudes insane. To not only be lifting your team up with words off the ice (not just the usual chirping, but real confident wait and see shit), but then laying it down on the ice - I feel like they're getting better every playoff game. Calgary's gonna be sad they see him lift the cup this year.
Oiler fan. I recall assuming Columbus drafting JP leaving MT on the table for us. I was happy to get a gritty guy on our team. Imagine what could have been in another reality.
It’s cause they drafted PLD. If they had picked Pulju, the Oilers would have drafted MT. JP was the best player available, according to scouting.
Imagine him with McDavid & Draisaitl! man, the Oilers would've been so freaking scary! but they drafted Puljujarvi instead who now might be a bigger bust than Yakupov. He went 6th overall in 2016 when nobody knew how much potential he was going to have. Today he's the 2nd best player from the 2016 draft after Matthews.
As a Jets fan looking at the 2016 draft makes me sick considering we lost Laine and are about to lose Dubois when we had a chance to draft Tkachuk
We probably would’ve lost Tkachuk too
It still hurts
When all the best players bolt out of there, you know you have a management problem.
Matthew Tkachuk is unique. And I'm using the proper definition of the word, one of a kind. Nobody fits the description, "Matthew Tkachuk type player." Flames had a generational talent that elevates the effectiveness of his teammates and would have kept the team relevant for 10-15 years.
Yesterday someone told me that Canadian teams don't have the financial backing that US teams do, so I looked up the NHL roster salaries for each team... 1) Montreal 95 million 2) Vegas 91 million 3) Washington 90 million 4) Edmonton/Vancuever 89 million 5) Toronto 88 million. However Calgary was much lower. Calgary is the only small market Canadian team... even Ottawa was toward the top. I found that fascinating.
That's what the team pays the players not their revenue/their entire finances, Toronto and NYR are richest teams in the NHL last I heard.
As a Florida fan, I can’t thank the flames enough.
Lol
Great example of how bad management ruins everything. Thats why good management make so much money.
sounds like management didn't know what they had. he's now the centerpiece of a stanley cup-contending team. not sure he would've made it there with calgary, so good for him. hope they make the most of their shot at a title
Everything worked out all right. You can't give someone $80 million because you think he'll be a superstar. He wasn't there at the time. Similar to MacKinnon at the time of his bargain contract.
The biggest issue wasn't the bridge - it was not convincing him to stay beyond the bridge. But the guys Brad got back are really good. Didn't work last year, but they'll be fine with a new coach. Every year is different.
Tchucker is actually filthy. And I’m a bruins fan dude single handedly shit on the best regular season nhl team in history
He's pretty right now. But wait till Florida turns that corner and starts losing. As Flames fans we all saw first hand how toxic he could become. Quitting on plays, ignoring coaches, getting bad penalties just cause he wants to. He's playing nice right now but I guarantee the panthers fan base will have many problems with him in the future.
Lots of hindsight in this opinion. At the time of the bridge deal, tkachuk was only worth 7 MM and even that was an overpay. The year after he signed he was a 60 pojnt player. You don’t pay more then 7 mm for a 60 point player. The bridge was a risk but it saved Treliving over paying. Sutter took the fun out of playing hockey and that is why Tkachuk left. His bridge deal made it easy for him to walk away from Sutters gulag. With a different atmosphere I think Johnny and Tkachuk would have re-signed
Sutter was the biggest mistake the flames made. Not sure who is responsible for that, but that decision may have come from someone above Treliving.
If this is true I don't think Sutter is to blame. If Tkutchuk stays the flames make the playoffs and Sutter keeps his job. Firing Sutter might be the 2nd biggest mistake.
That’s crazy! Because here my Habs are wanting a long term with Caufield but sounds like he’s only wanting a bridge! Writing is on the walk he leaves after a few years! So if Flames could have signed Tkachuk long term? Shame on them!