I just found this video and you did a very good job. I am new to this at being 59 and I just did a family enduro and had a blast. Next year more enduro and harescramble beginner class.
Totally agree, the other format isn't really in the spirit of racing, not horrible but reminds me in a way of; 'everybody gets a prize' and 'everyone has a safe cozy place' lol.
Great video. One thing would be good to mention is a looping course versus a point to point. With harescrambles it's a loop, so after that first lap you've seen the course and, ideally, each lap is faster as you get more experience on the course. I think the most laps I've seen in a harescramble is 5 or maybe 6 if it's a short course with really good conditions. Most are 7-14 mile laps, and most are 4 laps for the leaders. Anyway that's another big factor, whether or not all course you see is "new" for the first time, or whether you're riding over the same course multiple times.
don't know if things are different in the states, but here in the UK hare scrambles also known as hare n hounds are generally a 3 hour continuous race and sometimes 2.5 hours. the lap is generally between 5-8 miles as we don't have as much open ground as other countries. i raced one 2 weeks ago and got 6th in sportmen with 14 laps, quickest lap was 11 mins 50 and slowest was the last at just under 15 mins. but the championship guys were doing 6-7 minute laps and the winner finished with 21 laps. one rider was docked a lap for continuously shouting at slower riders even after being warned to calm down by the marshals
I raced hairscrsmbles. And GNCC is like racing on fire roads it's wide open. They didn't have GNCC till after I had to retire. Want to watch a good hairscramble look up black water 100. Toughest race in America. Dave Combs was our promoter. For years and made some of the most messed up courses there was. Deer couldn't get threw places we had to go. I asked him why do you make it so hard. He said to weed out the weekend riders. People who don't ride during the week. After work I always got at least an hour or 2 in. I want to come back and do some GNCC. Looks pretty easy for an old guy. WFO
Hey Noah is there a class for a 52 year old? I enjoy watching your videos.Sometimes I catch myself moving with the bike. You do a wonderful job and I’m sure your family is proud of you! Stay safe. God bless.
I’ve seen a little bit of *hard* enduro stuff on here. Pretty crazy technical stuff for a dirt bike. Both hard enduro and endurocross (which is pretty much supercross but with hard enduro like obstacles) require balls of steel. I recommend looking them up.
Never really realised how different the 'enduros' are compared to here in Australia. Most club enduros have what start off as graded tracks, none of this arrow markers and make your own trail, and we run around them for 3 hours...
Noah you don't know how bad I would love to mix it up again. I have gotten on my son in laws bike and like an off and on switch I just started ripping his bike with no thought of what if I crash or lay it down. It came to me when I got off. Plus I have to convenience the wife to let me just try one. WFO
back in my racing days in the 70's and 80's, on an Enduro, we had to keep time and had a certain time we had to be at a checkpoint. If you got there early, you were docked points and docked points for being late. To be early was worse than being late. Do they still have those type races? On Hare scrambles, what is the distance that you can go off of the trail without being considered cutting the course? I'm thinking about bottlenecks when a bunch of bikes are waiting to get up a hill and wanting to get around them and up the hill or wondering for passing a slow rider. Love your videos.
For the hare scrambles, at least here in Florida, riders cannot exceed a set distance from a marker. Another type of marker comes in pairs and you must go between them. Bottlenecks happen often. The rules may vary between riding associations.
I gave read about that on AMA's website, but I don't understand why you are penalized for being early? If the whole point is to race the clock, doesn't arriving early defeat the purpose?
What are the rules for each race track? I was watching Erzberg Rodeo and i saw like other riders helping stuck riders over obstacles, etc. What is exactly allowed? it also seemed like riders could go off the marked path. is that allowed too?
Rules are different, but in my area, you can help anyone you want and it's very common in hard-enduro to do so, this is pretty universal the world over. You can deviate from the marked path (to create an advantage), but there is a distance limit, I think it's 20ft (6m) here. Of course you can get lost or just overshoot and end up much further than 20ft without penalty, I think technically you're supposed to re-enter the track at roughly the same place you left it, but hat varies a lot by race type. Where I'm at, there are races with 50 mile laps (80k) and it's not always obvious where the track goes, so you just look for the dust and head that way. It's called "chasing ribbons" because you're constantly on the lookout for the pink ones that tell you where to go and the blue ones that tell you you're about to die (kidding but yeah). Looks like they use different colors in this area. Where I'm at there is nothing else out there, it's either wide-open desert or tight mountain single track. Totally crazy to see these races through houses and stuff.
Yes you can still pass. A lot of times people will move over for faster riders because they aren't actually racing them. Just a curtesy thing to do. Good question and good luck man!
NoahClark32 haha! Well to be honest I’m still learning the “game” myself which is all it really amounts to. I just started running them in reality to have other places to ride. ECEA doesn’t have many in a start control format. That being said I discovered an app to help with the time keeping portion of it. You can enter in all your speed changes and resets and it uses gps to track your mileages. Most people use a $400 ICO Checkmate.. this app costs $4 LOL. For iPhone it’s called Enduro CheckPointTwo. In case you wanna give it a shot. I hope this C Senior to be half as fast as you one day. Watch your videos all the time
Great explanation for someone who’s interested in racing and, or beginners! Keep up the good content!!
Thanks!🤙🏽✊🏽
Thanks for the video was looking at signing up for this at my local events and never knew the difference thanks man
I just found this video and you did a very good job. I am new to this at being 59 and I just did a family enduro and had a blast. Next year more enduro and harescramble beginner class.
I like the Hare Scramble format best, more of a side by side race than just against the clock and real long laps.
Totally agree, the other format isn't really
in the spirit of racing, not horrible but reminds
me in a way of; 'everybody gets a prize' and
'everyone has a safe cozy place' lol.
@@bikersoncall Considering that enduro is similar to rallying. Tell that to drivers who raced in group B back in the 1980s
@@MrTheta-lc8zy
Like I said, 'not horrible' just not real
racing.
So, yeah, you tell them, and here, have
a nice prize for participating.
🍕
@@bikersoncall Yeah I'm gonna decline that. But if you're hungry, you can have it instead.
@@MrTheta-lc8zy 😂Thanks!
Great video. One thing would be good to mention is a looping course versus a point to point. With harescrambles it's a loop, so after that first lap you've seen the course and, ideally, each lap is faster as you get more experience on the course. I think the most laps I've seen in a harescramble is 5 or maybe 6 if it's a short course with really good conditions. Most are 7-14 mile laps, and most are 4 laps for the leaders. Anyway that's another big factor, whether or not all course you see is "new" for the first time, or whether you're riding over the same course multiple times.
don't know if things are different in the states, but here in the UK hare scrambles also known as hare n hounds are generally a 3 hour continuous race and sometimes 2.5 hours. the lap is generally between 5-8 miles as we don't have as much open ground as other countries. i raced one 2 weeks ago and got 6th in sportmen with 14 laps, quickest lap was 11 mins 50 and slowest was the last at just under 15 mins. but the championship guys were doing 6-7 minute laps and the winner finished with 21 laps.
one rider was docked a lap for continuously shouting at slower riders even after being warned to calm down by the marshals
Excellant content! And a very clear explanation.
Thanks!👌🏽😎
I raced hairscrsmbles. And GNCC is like racing on fire roads it's wide open. They didn't have GNCC till after I had to retire. Want to watch a good hairscramble look up black water 100. Toughest race in America. Dave Combs was our promoter. For years and made some of the most messed up courses there was. Deer couldn't get threw places we had to go. I asked him why do you make it so hard. He said to weed out the weekend riders. People who don't ride during the week. After work I always got at least an hour or 2 in. I want to come back and do some GNCC. Looks pretty easy for an old guy. WFO
They are open but definitely a lot rougher than a regular Harescramble to me at least. Do it and come out of retirement!
Hey Noah is there a class for a 52 year old? I enjoy watching your videos.Sometimes I catch myself moving with the bike. You do a wonderful job and I’m sure your family is proud of you! Stay safe. God bless.
Yes they have a 50+ class I believe. Thank you! May God bless you too
@@NoahClark32 thank you
@Walter Dumbrowski thank you
@Walter Dumbrowski ok. I appreciate you. Thanks
@Walter Dumbrowski I live in NC. I need to get up your way to ride. Beautiful part of the country.
Sure miss your rides, races, and ministry from your bike.
Best of luck.
Kip
Great explanation and video. I want to get into racing but there's a lot to learn!
Great video.Have done MX for years but getting educated on the dark side to try some old man woods stuff.
Good explanation. That course around the buildings is ridiculous.
I’ve seen a little bit of *hard* enduro stuff on here. Pretty crazy technical stuff for a dirt bike. Both hard enduro and endurocross (which is pretty much supercross but with hard enduro like obstacles) require balls of steel. I recommend looking them up.
Great job explaining it. Stay safe
THANKS FOR YOUR DEFINITION I BEEN NEEDING IT
I WAS SO CONFUSED 🤔
Never really realised how different the 'enduros' are compared to here in Australia. Most club enduros have what start off as graded tracks, none of this arrow markers and make your own trail, and we run around them for 3 hours...
Dang I never knew how different racing was across the rest of the world! That sounds like fun though too man
Great explanation, cheers mate!
Great info for someone getting into the sport, good job.
Geez ur fast man. Thought I was watching in fast forward
Thanks awesome video anx channel
I race gncc quads and bike best type in my opinion
Enduro is basically very similar to the auto rally format. Also a time trial
Noah you don't know how bad I would love to mix it up again. I have gotten on my son in laws bike and like an off and on switch I just started ripping his bike with no thought of what if I crash or lay it down. It came to me when I got off. Plus I have to convenience the wife to let me just try one. WFO
Haha you just can’t think about those things and hold it wide!✊🏽
The word is CONVINCE
Do you get a chance to run the course before the event?
Yeah at this series there is a practice lap
Where was that harescramble at it? It looked like a superhighway.
Good video buddy
Thank you sir!
I miss time keeping enduroes and having stay on the minute any of those still being held in the east?
Idaho City has one every June. I don't know about the east.
I'd like to try one sometime!
What is the color code for the course flags (adult classes, particularly)?
Poker runs
Sometimes you win just for showing up
Winning is always nice lol
I'd like to do harescrable race it would be my first race is there rules on modifications and gear?
Good video!
back in my racing days in the 70's and 80's, on an Enduro, we had to keep time and had a certain time we had to be at a checkpoint. If you got there early, you were docked points and docked points for being late. To be early was worse than being late. Do they still have those type races? On Hare scrambles, what is the distance that you can go off of the trail without being considered cutting the course? I'm thinking about bottlenecks when a bunch of bikes are waiting to get up a hill and wanting to get around them and up the hill or wondering for passing a slow rider. Love your videos.
For the hare scrambles, at least here in Florida, riders cannot exceed a set distance from a marker. Another type of marker comes in pairs and you must go between them. Bottlenecks happen often. The rules may vary between riding associations.
I gave read about that on AMA's website, but I don't understand why you are penalized for being early? If the whole point is to race the clock, doesn't arriving early defeat the purpose?
What are the rules for each race track? I was watching Erzberg Rodeo and i saw like other riders helping stuck riders over obstacles, etc. What is exactly allowed? it also seemed like riders could go off the marked path. is that allowed too?
Rules are different, but in my area, you can help anyone you want and it's very common in hard-enduro to do so, this is pretty universal the world over. You can deviate from the marked path (to create an advantage), but there is a distance limit, I think it's 20ft (6m) here. Of course you can get lost or just overshoot and end up much further than 20ft without penalty, I think technically you're supposed to re-enter the track at roughly the same place you left it, but hat varies a lot by race type. Where I'm at, there are races with 50 mile laps (80k) and it's not always obvious where the track goes, so you just look for the dust and head that way. It's called "chasing ribbons" because you're constantly on the lookout for the pink ones that tell you where to go and the blue ones that tell you you're about to die (kidding but yeah). Looks like they use different colors in this area. Where I'm at there is nothing else out there, it's either wide-open desert or tight mountain single track. Totally crazy to see these races through houses and stuff.
what do you think is better for novice riders first race? hare scramble, sprint enduro, etc?
Probably try a harescramble. Easy to understand. You start and do laps until the race is over
@@NoahClark32 Sick, thank you!
cool
Which class are you racing in in this video?
AA
Question and may sound dumb but on single track races or ones where riders start every few min can u pass someone if it s a race against time ?
Yes you can still pass. A lot of times people will move over for faster riders because they aren't actually racing them. Just a curtesy thing to do. Good question and good luck man!
From the start I can already tell that you’ve been to one enduro
One?
Video always make people look slow. Not you. What camera is that and what class you run?
Speeded up video?
No sir!
Now try explaining a time keeping enduro 🤪 lol
I don’t even understand those myself lol. That would be impossible😬😂
NoahClark32 haha! Well to be honest I’m still learning the “game” myself which is all it really amounts to. I just started running them in reality to have other places to ride. ECEA doesn’t have many in a start control format.
That being said I discovered an app to help with the time keeping portion of it. You can enter in all your speed changes and resets and it uses gps to track your mileages. Most people use a $400 ICO Checkmate.. this app costs $4 LOL.
For iPhone it’s called Enduro CheckPointTwo. In case you wanna give it a shot.
I hope this C Senior to be half as fast as you one day. Watch your videos all the time
An Enduro is an open course race against time. A Hare Scrambles is a closed course race that is timed.