Here are videos with the winter hiking and camp clothing that I use! Winter Hiking Clothing: ruclips.net/video/51Bmto2yTsY/видео.html Winter Camping Clothing: ruclips.net/video/Agje8t2t3kE/видео.html
I was out camping this weekend and woke up to a condensation nightmare. I had set up for a two night stay and the temps were at around -6C (20f) for most of yesterday and when I went to sleep last night. My breath and the condensation from the air had been freezing on the inside of my tent for the two nights so there was almost a layer of ice over the entire inner surface of the tent. Then at around 5am a new weather system moved in with temperatures well above freezing and pouring rain. This melted all the pretty frost on my tent and turned it into more rain so now I had raining inside and outside my tent even if I didn't have any leaking so I got to wake up to cold rain on my face :D Ended up packing early and hiking off to my car. Never trust the weatherman!
I hope i dosent kill the vibe for the next future trips. A trick i use, when i get out of the tent in the morning, is to brush of all the frozen ice from the tent, only if its forzen. if it is a little humid i trying to get out of the tent without touching the roof with the sleeping bag and let the tent freeze again. Then brush it out :)
You briefly spoke about a first kit and then went into talking about blades. Thus is a good opportunity to mention the importance of having at least one tourniquet on you for backcountry trips. I can't stress enough the value of a fast way to self rescue a bleed or save your friends.
I love your videos Justin. I bought a Zpacks Arc Haul in 2019 and it is nice, but just too small for winter hiking or for comfort hiking (chair, etc.). So after much research I bought the Seek Outside Divide 79L this spring. It is fantastic and extremely versatile. Depending on how I set up the Divide, it could be a half-pound heavier than the Arc Haul, but it is a true 79L, it has massive side pockets (chair, tent, bottles), and it actually "carries" lighter than the Arc Haul, designed to carry up to a whopping 200 lbs.!. It also can fit a Bear Vault horizontally. My one beef with this pack is that the velcro frame adjuster straps can rub their sharp, slightly-curled, squared edges into my back. Seek Outside should round the edges so no sharp corners exist. I will be throwing duct tape over those corners for my next trip. For my new 4p mid tent I chose the Locus Gear DCF Khafra with a 4/5ths net inner that I will not bring on winter trips, just using a sheet of Tyvec as a ground cloth and laying a wide piece of Reflectix upon which to lay my Big Agnes 4.7 R or 4.3 R 25" x 76" air pads. Again, I just got this tent in 2021. The mid outer tent alone weighs about one pound. I also bought the Locus Gear carbon fiber tent pole for car camping, and I also have HMG rubber pole straps to join my trekking poles together to make a one, long tent pole. The tent inner floor is silnylon, not DCF. I plan to get a half inner from HMG for summers because it features a DCF floor. HMG does not make a 4/5ths inner. Locus Gear has superb workmanship, but you will pay an extreme price. I am not rich, but function, quality and comfort combined translate into great value for me. It should last several thousand miles. Instead of cutting logs for fires, I use a Trail Designs Sidewinder gassifying stove which can very efficiently burn alcohol, Isbit, Dragon fuel or twigs and sticks. It is simply the best all-around stove in the world. I can just grab a dead branch and casually break it up to feed the fire with little effort. Yes, it can throw pretty reasonable heat. It rarely gets below 0°F where I winter camp on the AT in Massachusetts and Connecticut, so I just use a UGQ 0° quilt combined with duck down puffy pants, down booties and a down puffy jacket. I like your tip on laying a synthetic blacket over the down quilt to keep the quilt shell dry. I had recently tried using a Uco candle lantern to reduce condensation in my 3F UL Lanshan 2 in our wet fall this year, but it did not seem to help. And it is easy to bump the lantern with my head in most tents, spilling wax all over, though I am sure that will not be an issue in (tall) 4p mids or tipi tents. Maybe it will work in deep cold to reduce frost. It makes for a great nightlight, though, burning nine hours. The only thing I dislike about the Khafra is that there is no way to hang a clothesline, lights nor candle lantern. So I just bought some Zpacks DCF stick-on guyouts to stick to the inside walls for only $1 US each. I will hang a line from one side to the other. It is a large tent for one guy, but I am 6' tall, so I love the extra head and foot room and not having to worry about the footbox of my quilt getting wet from hitting a wet or frosty wall. I bought a used, cheap down mummy bag for $30 and unsuccessfully converted it into a quilt. However, I turned the hood I cut off into a down hood-hat, so I ended up getting my money's worth. BTW, I love those toothpaste tablets. They are so much better than paste in a tube. Maybe the best thing about this set up is that I can use my Helinox Chair Zero and the wood stove inside my tent (if I leave the door flap open for fresh air). That makes the 4p so much better than the Khufu 2p by Locus Gear, IMO. I love winter backpacking. No bugs. Never any full sites. Anybody you meet is a true backpacker, not a boozehound weekend poser, and they are eager to share a campsite and shoot the breeze. Also, I do not have to worry about bears if I want to eat inside my tent. Happy trails to all and Happy Thanksgiving to all of my fellow ugly Americans.
Chris: What a great comment. Full of useful information and pros and cons. What a pleasure to read actual, useful comments from someone who clearly knows what they are talking about. I will check a few of the items you discussed. Thanks for the time you spent writing.
Got my hands on one at REI, and the robust white pocket on the back is really great for snowy crampons, microspikes, avalanche shovel etc. The only thing that prevented me from getting it is the lack of hipbelt pockets.
I loved this video. I used to do a lot of winter camping, but I haven't gone for quite a while now. I really enjoy watching winter camping videos and I must say, your selection of gear comes closest to matching, in function, what I used. I've seen a number of videos where I really question what they are doing, not so with what I have seen with your videos. I have one suggestion for you to try that I found helped with moisture control when sleeping. Try placing a small wool blanket between your sleeping bag and your mattress. It will absorb moisture, keeping your sleeping bag drier. You can dry the wool blanket out in front of a fire in the evening before you go to bed. The blanket only needs to go from your shoulders to mid thigh region, so it doesn't need to add much weight. I love your collapsible pee bottle. If I go winter camping again, I'll have to get one of those.
Getting prepped for my for FIRST cold weather trips in Nova Scotia this year and this was really helpful. I didn't think of keeping my InReach IN my coat but that makes so much sense. Also for us women, the shewee combined with the pee bottle would be perfect cause squatting the middle of the night is too cold at the best of times! Thanks again!
@@DestinationDoodle it was amazing! I can't say for sure I'm a cold weather camper yet but I'm working on it! Super happy for a beautiful summer in Nova Scotia right now though!!
Only channel I found that’s 100% that I agree with great channel and I have been trained in alpine and arctic and cold weather training for years 👊🏻also warming butt wipes in arm pit before use helps 😉. Also putting compression foam under air mattress 100%. Also having that beautiful woman with you like the one in this video will keep you real warm 😉
If you are new to winter camping, don't forget. It may seem that he is spending a ton of money on comfort, but warmth is a matter of survival, not comfort in the winter. I live in the mountains in Colorado and have learned the hard way how important this is. Sometimes there are cheeper options than what he uses. But his are obviously the best option. Where as mine are the cheep/ replaceable option for poor people like me haha.
Small correction. You're using MSRs listed standard weight for the Whisperlite but the stove, configured as you showed it for inverted canisters with the stand, is a hair over 9.5oz/270g.
Another thing Wich I found worked really well for a battery and light system is a millwukee m12 rover light . Bring 2 small batteries and your set and u can also hang it on rope or a nail and it charged devices really well to with a built in usv port . The way it’s designed to u can set it down and it stands up by itself really well
Thanks for the awesome video, Justin! We're huge fans over in Ottawa! What size of EE Revelation Apex 50F did you go with? Regular-Regular or Regular-Wide?
That bottle cozy looks extremely handy. I always have a problem with my water bottles freezing overnight. One time I did bury my water bottles in the snow and it kept them thawed better than my unburied ones. They still had some ice in them though.
I'm doing gear testing now, I've watched this video may times... with what I can fit in a 65L pack I'm struggling under 10f... just started into learning backpacking, was a day hiker/truck camper before. Work summers n off winters in Wisconsin!
It's the 160cm Mountain Cattle tent not the R3 Aricxi. They are very similar though the Aricxi has a zipper which goes straight up nearly all the way (YKK and sealed). The diameter is also bigger so the floor footprint is bigger and the whole shape is more flat. And I think, not really sure, it has 2 points for each corner for guying it down, so you can bring it closer to the ground or use some of the tent material as snow skirts. Also, I think the production quality is slightly better, though not sure since I only have the Aricxi R5 and now just thinking about adding a smaller tipi tent to my collection ;) The R3 Aricxi is also a bit more expensive then the Mountain Cattle.
Hey Justin what’s your Bluetooth thermometer make and model called? I can’t seem to find it through your link. Or is there a newer model you use now? Cheers from England!
First off, your backpacking videos are my favorite on RUclips by far. You rock! I live in California and I often wonder where my winter's fall in comparison to your seasons. I've only been winter camping in the Sierra's for 3 years and have found myself in ranges from 30F to low 20F. I did have 1 night that hit -1F but that was an outlier. Should I be focused on your winter loadouts or would a different season be more comparable?
That would definitely be more in line with my fall gear. Maybe even colder summer gear! It often gets into the 20s in the mountains during summer here!
Awesome video. Great advice for getting into winter camping. I also love love love Bushka’s Kitchen meals. I cannot get enough. They’re so delicious and packed with flavor & nutrients.
I have a down. 20 degree FF women's bag. I am looking at getting an over bag to increase the warmth. would you rec the revelation over the enigma. Which one would you recommend? any other suggestions for an over bag or a way to bring my 20 degree bag down to 0 degrees? thanks, I love your shows!
Hammocking with a pee bottle is just a different experience. I just do what I have to and go back to sleep to the sounds of my girlfriend having to get out of her hammock and freeze her butt off. Ah, the sounds of nature. So calming.
I was going to buy the OR San Juan jacket, but this model isn't available anymore for men. 😭 Is there any other models in the OR brand similar to that jacket?
Love the winter videos as this will be my 2nd season winter backpacking and pushing farther into Upper Michigan and the UP (read... colder). 2 Bears in the room though :)... #1 Did you swap out your beloved Tenshi for the TP tent and #2 does the table come with you on solo trips or is that just for the splainer video?
Regarding the quilt, did you choose 7D or 10D for exterior fabric? I think 10D may give you a little better water resistance from condensation in tent. However, would more breathability of 7D do better for allowing moisture to escape? You mentioned the quilt's additional function of preventing the moisture/ice formation in your down bag, but would fabric choices for the synthetic quilt affect this one way or the other very much? Thanks for great videos!
How does Flextail Tiny Pump X work on low temperatures? Does the batery discharge faster than a normal temperature or do you keep warm on your chest or something like that?
Justin, I know you love your MH AMG 75 pack for winter camping, but you are way more plugged in to the newer gear out there than me. If you were going to buy a new Winter Backpack today would that still be the one, or are there others that would be on your short list? I have a GG Mariposa 60, but just need something a little bigger for the winter gear but am looking for something lighter that my old Dana Designs Terraplane.
It would still be the one! I just filmed a review of it that will be coming out next week. If I was getting it again, I'd MAYBE go for the 105L instead of the 75L for a bit more space. It's really the only pack that has all the features I need for winter.
Snowpackers, I salute you. Question; I often see you using tent flys in fast'n'light setups, like Justin's is here, or your 3-season tents which are mostly mesh inside. This seems like it would be super draughty. I know that your sleep system is responsible for keeping you _warm_ , ambiently, but, how do you manage the breeze on your face? I am super sensitive to that keeping me up, even just indoors with the AC on, in Summer. Is this just a "me" issue? Or do y'all sleep in balaclavas?
I'm with you. I want a fully enclosed tent in the winter. Marmot Thor is an excellent and roomy tent that won't let you down if the weather gets deadly.
My go-to is a down hood (made by Goose Feet, sold by Z-Packs) that has a cord around the face that I can cinch to just larger than my nose. I've had chilly nose nights, but that beats chilly face nights. It's super light weight, super compressible, and super warm. And you're exactly right. In all but the most extreme arctic/summit/expedition conditions, your sleeping system is what keeps you warm, not your tent. You need loads of ventilation to prevent/reduce condensation buildup that can dampen or wet your gear and reduce insulation.
Have to wonder that tent. Light weight and cheap for sure but is does not provide that much protection on harsh winter conditions. I would not change super light weight to a robust tunnel tents from Hilleberg or Fjällräven
What would you recommend to someone who has trouble with their battery packs dying from the cold? I saw you kept one in your chest pocket which would keep that one warm, but you had another one stored elsewhere. What brand r they? R they cold weather specific?
As long s you don't turn them on when they are cold and heat them up before using, it should be fine. I store one in my pack but just make sure to heat it up in my jacket for 30+ minutes before using.
Non-petrol down to minus 30? No way?! I'd like to see that. Norwegians usually switched to liquid "lawnmower" gas by -10°C/20°F. How much snow can you melt with this option? I'm no expert.
Hello, Justin! I see that you're using a bluetooth thermometer. It seems a little big no me. Why don't you use the Garmin Tempe, that connects to your smartwatch via ant+?
@@JustinOutdoors I have a Tempe, but I don't have a smartwatch. I'm using it with a smartphone that has ant+ and it works great. It has nice graph and, even more, it makes logs that can be exported. Unfortunatley, few phones are ant+ capable these days and that app doesen't work on newer android versions. Anyhow, it's somehow stupid that it works better on a phone than when you're using a Garmin watch (hard to connect, doese't show the temperature on the main screen, and others)
Justin I'm curious why you say you should use a pump to inflate your pad - I've seen info on thermarests website saying breath is fine for air pads (less so for self-inflating pads). But curious if you've got a different source!
The Garmin Fenix family of watches is on sale. $200 off the standard price. REI is stocking all watches except for the Fenix 6 pro solar. I used Justin's link to order a Fenix 6 pro from REI. Great price at $449.
I refuse Made in China stuff.... So all my gear that I own is Made in USA, Canada or European made, including tools, clothing & shoes..... I lived at a campsite full-time for 3 seasons near Aspen, Colorado (Autumn, Winter, Spring).... One of my secrets is to have 2 tents... Set up a smaller tent inside a larger tent.... Just make sure you keep all the tent vents opened, and all you need to worry about is soft cushioning to be comfortable all night.=== The 2 TENT SYSTEM is good for all 4 seasons, especially during the winter also, in the event of a BEAR ATTACK, you will have that extra barrier granting you more time to utilize the bear Spray, and a gun if your state allows it.
I do :). Air temp isn't the best way to determine whether a pad will perform well, which is why r-value is the industry standard. But I understand air temp is the easiest thing to measure and use. While a ton of factors play into whether a pad will perform well in the cold (ground temp, ground moisture, snow cover, etc), the XT Extreme is good to around the -15C mark.
Your nalgene bottle link is for a 48oz bottle, but I see the Insulated sleeve is spec'd for a 32oz. Are you using a 32oz bottle, or is the insulator bigger than advertised?
What a wonderful set of equipment I would love to invite you 45 years into the past I would like to see how you would manage with the gear we had then No ultralight,
Without the fancy sleeping pads 😂 I remember we used a plastic ground cloth, wool blanket folded, and 2" open cell foam under us. Then a down bag on top. But that was here in Oregon above the snow line where it rarely drops below 15F. Sometimes we'd dig a snow cave, but mostly snow walls and a tipi or tarp on top. Higher up the mountains we'd go for a luxurious half-buried igloo.
It should be good for anyone in the US, Canada. Japan, Saudi Arabia, India, UAE, and Singapore. other countries don't seem to have that exact model available.
Looks like the polar ranger is out of stock everywhere. I just noticed that Fjällräven Polar is pretty much the same bag, except instead of a center zipper and two vents there's just two side zippers of which the other one is only vent/hand sized and the other one can be opened all the way and instead of the snorkel, it has synthetic fur lining for the hood. The extreme temperature for it is -54C. I would say that one of them took notes from the other one, even the color is the same. The price, however, is not the same, the fjällräven one is almost $1400. Ouch.
Hey actually the fjällräven polar -20 is closer in specs to the thermarest polar ranger and the price of it is "only" $1000. The fjällräven polar -30 is a bit beefier than polar ranger.
Well, went ahead and got me one of those. Already tried it out at home and indeed, it seems it is no problem to side sleep in one of these after a long time using a quilt. The hand holes make it very nice to operate a phone or whatever and stay inside the bag.
What brand/model is the thermometer? I’m in Europe so the link is not working, I’ve tried many times to open it (i guess its not for sale on Amazon over here). I’d like to look it up.
@@JustinOutdoors yeah, the dawn patrol has been on my radar as well. I like aspects of the new Arc'teryx Procline, mostly goretex infinium, but the overall weight and features feel like overkill, not to mention $$$. Couldn't really find an obvious replacement in the OR lineup.
You said how you use the bivy you would get inside that then get inside your sleeping bag .. is that what you mean ie the bivy against you sleeping bag over that
Here are videos with the winter hiking and camp clothing that I use!
Winter Hiking Clothing: ruclips.net/video/51Bmto2yTsY/видео.html
Winter Camping Clothing: ruclips.net/video/Agje8t2t3kE/видео.html
I was out camping this weekend and woke up to a condensation nightmare. I had set up for a two night stay and the temps were at around -6C (20f) for most of yesterday and when I went to sleep last night. My breath and the condensation from the air had been freezing on the inside of my tent for the two nights so there was almost a layer of ice over the entire inner surface of the tent. Then at around 5am a new weather system moved in with temperatures well above freezing and pouring rain. This melted all the pretty frost on my tent and turned it into more rain so now I had raining inside and outside my tent even if I didn't have any leaking so I got to wake up to cold rain on my face :D Ended up packing early and hiking off to my car. Never trust the weatherman!
Best to keep vents open and if possible, door wide open during winter.
lmao dude literal nightmare. sorry I laughed
Oh gee what a pain I'm so sorry 🙄
I hope i dosent kill the vibe for the next future trips. A trick i use, when i get out of the tent in the morning, is to brush of all the frozen ice from the tent, only if its forzen.
if it is a little humid i trying to get out of the tent without touching the roof with the sleeping bag and let the tent freeze again. Then brush it out :)
You briefly spoke about a first kit and then went into talking about blades. Thus is a good opportunity to mention the importance of having at least one tourniquet on you for backcountry trips. I can't stress enough the value of a fast way to self rescue a bleed or save your friends.
I love your videos Justin.
I bought a Zpacks Arc Haul in 2019 and it is nice, but just too small for winter hiking or for comfort hiking (chair, etc.). So after much research I bought the Seek Outside Divide 79L this spring. It is fantastic and extremely versatile.
Depending on how I set up the Divide, it could be a half-pound heavier than the Arc Haul, but it is a true 79L, it has massive side pockets (chair, tent, bottles), and it actually "carries" lighter than the Arc Haul, designed to carry up to a whopping 200 lbs.!. It also can fit a Bear Vault horizontally.
My one beef with this pack is that the velcro frame adjuster straps can rub their sharp, slightly-curled, squared edges into my back. Seek Outside should round the edges so no sharp corners exist. I will be throwing duct tape over those corners for my next trip.
For my new 4p mid tent I chose the Locus Gear DCF Khafra with a 4/5ths net inner that I will not bring on winter trips, just using a sheet of Tyvec as a ground cloth and laying a wide piece of Reflectix upon which to lay my Big Agnes 4.7 R or 4.3 R 25" x 76" air pads. Again, I just got this tent in 2021. The mid outer tent alone weighs about one pound.
I also bought the Locus Gear carbon fiber tent pole for car camping, and I also have HMG rubber pole straps to join my trekking poles together to make a one, long tent pole.
The tent inner floor is silnylon, not DCF. I plan to get a half inner from HMG for summers because it features a DCF floor. HMG does not make a 4/5ths inner.
Locus Gear has superb workmanship, but you will pay an extreme price. I am not rich, but function, quality and comfort combined translate into great value for me. It should last several thousand miles.
Instead of cutting logs for fires, I use a Trail Designs Sidewinder gassifying stove which can very efficiently burn alcohol, Isbit, Dragon fuel or twigs and sticks. It is simply the best all-around stove in the world. I can just grab a dead branch and casually break it up to feed the fire with little effort. Yes, it can throw pretty reasonable heat.
It rarely gets below 0°F where I winter camp on the AT in Massachusetts and Connecticut, so I just use a UGQ 0° quilt combined with duck down puffy pants, down booties and a down puffy jacket.
I like your tip on laying a synthetic blacket over the down quilt to keep the quilt shell dry. I had recently tried using a Uco candle lantern to reduce condensation in my 3F UL Lanshan 2 in our wet fall this year, but it did not seem to help. And it is easy to bump the lantern with my head in most tents, spilling wax all over, though I am sure that will not be an issue in (tall) 4p mids or tipi tents. Maybe it will work in deep cold to reduce frost. It makes for a great nightlight, though, burning nine hours.
The only thing I dislike about the Khafra is that there is no way to hang a clothesline, lights nor candle lantern. So I just bought some Zpacks DCF stick-on guyouts to stick to the inside walls for only $1 US each. I will hang a line from one side to the other.
It is a large tent for one guy, but I am 6' tall, so I love the extra head and foot room and not having to worry about the footbox of my quilt getting wet from hitting a wet or frosty wall.
I bought a used, cheap down mummy bag for $30 and unsuccessfully converted it into a quilt. However, I turned the hood I cut off into a down hood-hat, so I ended up getting my money's worth.
BTW, I love those toothpaste tablets. They are so much better than paste in a tube.
Maybe the best thing about this set up is that I can use my Helinox Chair Zero and the wood stove inside my tent (if I leave the door flap open for fresh air). That makes the 4p so much better than the Khufu 2p by Locus Gear, IMO.
I love winter backpacking. No bugs. Never any full sites. Anybody you meet is a true backpacker, not a boozehound weekend poser, and they are eager to share a campsite and shoot the breeze. Also, I do not have to worry about bears if I want to eat inside my tent.
Happy trails to all and Happy Thanksgiving to all of my fellow ugly Americans.
Chris: What a great comment. Full of useful information and pros and cons. What a pleasure to read actual, useful comments from someone who clearly knows what they are talking about. I will check a few of the items you discussed. Thanks for the time you spent writing.
Thanks so much for making this brilliant video! I love using sleeping bag liners. Happy adventures!
I love the MHW AMG 75 so much, I also bought the 55 and the 105...Best winter packs going IMO...
Got my hands on one at REI, and the robust white pocket on the back is really great for snowy crampons, microspikes, avalanche shovel etc. The only thing that prevented me from getting it is the lack of hipbelt pockets.
I loved this video. I used to do a lot of winter camping, but I haven't gone for quite a while now. I really enjoy watching winter camping videos and I must say, your selection of gear comes closest to matching, in function, what I used. I've seen a number of videos where I really question what they are doing, not so with what I have seen with your videos.
I have one suggestion for you to try that I found helped with moisture control when sleeping. Try placing a small wool blanket between your sleeping bag and your mattress. It will absorb moisture, keeping your sleeping bag drier. You can dry the wool blanket out in front of a fire in the evening before you go to bed. The blanket only needs to go from your shoulders to mid thigh region, so it doesn't need to add much weight.
I love your collapsible pee bottle. If I go winter camping again, I'll have to get one of those.
Getting prepped for my for FIRST cold weather trips in Nova Scotia this year and this was really helpful. I didn't think of keeping my InReach IN my coat but that makes so much sense. Also for us women, the shewee combined with the pee bottle would be perfect cause squatting the middle of the night is too cold at the best of times! Thanks again!
how did it go?
@@DestinationDoodle it was amazing! I can't say for sure I'm a cold weather camper yet but I'm working on it! Super happy for a beautiful summer in Nova Scotia right now though!!
That air mattress pump works get for get fires going too! Dual purpose.
Only channel I found that’s 100% that I agree with great channel and I have been trained in alpine and arctic and cold weather training for years 👊🏻also warming butt wipes in arm pit before use helps 😉. Also putting compression foam under air mattress 100%. Also having that beautiful woman with you like the one in this video will keep you real warm 😉
This was so clean and straight to the point. Lots of really good small videos to compliment the items you are showing. Amazing audio and great scenes.
If you are new to winter camping, don't forget. It may seem that he is spending a ton of money on comfort, but warmth is a matter of survival, not comfort in the winter. I live in the mountains in Colorado and have learned the hard way how important this is. Sometimes there are cheeper options than what he uses. But his are obviously the best option. Where as mine are the cheep/ replaceable option for poor people like me haha.
Small correction. You're using MSRs listed standard weight for the Whisperlite but the stove, configured as you showed it for inverted canisters with the stand, is a hair over 9.5oz/270g.
Nice video. I know this was two years ago but I’d love to see you pack all that.
Another thing Wich I found worked really well for a battery and light system is a millwukee m12 rover light . Bring 2 small batteries and your set and u can also hang it on rope or a nail and it charged devices really well to with a built in usv port . The way it’s designed to u can set it down and it stands up by itself really well
I can’t believe you fit all of that winter sleep system into your bag! Can ya show your packing procedure?
Will do!
Thanks for the awesome video, Justin! We're huge fans over in Ottawa! What size of EE Revelation Apex 50F did you go with? Regular-Regular or Regular-Wide?
This is the most helpful winter camping video I have ever seen. Thank you!
That bottle cozy looks extremely handy. I always have a problem with my water bottles freezing overnight. One time I did bury my water bottles in the snow and it kept them thawed better than my unburied ones. They still had some ice in them though.
I'm doing gear testing now, I've watched this video may times... with what I can fit in a 65L pack I'm struggling under 10f... just started into learning backpacking, was a day hiker/truck camper before. Work summers n off winters in Wisconsin!
At 6:17, Damn 750l in a bottle, it is really comfort camping if you can bring a pool with you.
Heated pools are the best!
I’m gonna start winter camping this winter. I’m so excited.
It's the 160cm Mountain Cattle tent not the R3 Aricxi.
They are very similar though the Aricxi has a zipper which goes straight up nearly all the way (YKK and sealed). The diameter is also bigger so the floor footprint is bigger and the whole shape is more flat. And I think, not really sure, it has 2 points for each corner for guying it down, so you can bring it closer to the ground or use some of the tent material as snow skirts. Also, I think the production quality is slightly better, though not sure since I only have the Aricxi R5 and now just thinking about adding a smaller tipi tent to my collection ;)
The R3 Aricxi is also a bit more expensive then the Mountain Cattle.
Hey Justin what’s your Bluetooth thermometer make and model called? I can’t seem to find it through your link. Or is there a newer model you use now? Cheers from England!
First off, your backpacking videos are my favorite on RUclips by far. You rock! I live in California and I often wonder where my winter's fall in comparison to your seasons. I've only been winter camping in the Sierra's for 3 years and have found myself in ranges from 30F to low 20F. I did have 1 night that hit -1F but that was an outlier. Should I be focused on your winter loadouts or would a different season be more comparable?
That would definitely be more in line with my fall gear. Maybe even colder summer gear! It often gets into the 20s in the mountains during summer here!
Thanks for explaining everything. I'm actually looking into doing some winter hiking probably next year. You have a great channel
That sleeping system looks like a huge mattress, when used to a single foam pad. But it looks so comfy, I'm kind of envious now! ;)
Excellent video, very helpful for planning my first winter snow camping adventures.
Awesome video. Great advice for getting into winter camping. I also love love love Bushka’s Kitchen meals. I cannot get enough. They’re so delicious and packed with flavor & nutrients.
I have a down. 20 degree FF women's bag. I am looking at getting an over bag to increase the warmth. would you rec the revelation over the enigma. Which one would you recommend? any other suggestions for an over bag or a way to bring my 20 degree bag down to 0 degrees? thanks, I love your shows!
A pee bottle is a game changer. Especially if you’re a guy of a certain age lol.
Especially in the winter, when you’re tent-bound for longer.
I get so annoyed when I forget to procure a pee bottle
Lol 25?
Some people call it pee bottle, I call it feet warmer
Hammocking with a pee bottle is just a different experience. I just do what I have to and go back to sleep to the sounds of my girlfriend having to get out of her hammock and freeze her butt off. Ah, the sounds of nature. So calming.
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Can you tell me the exact thermometer you use? When i use the link i get a whole list. Thanks.
I was going to buy the OR San Juan jacket, but this model isn't available anymore for men. 😭 Is there any other models in the OR brand similar to that jacket?
Nothing more from OR. The BD Dawn Patrol looks like a good option!
Love the winter videos as this will be my 2nd season winter backpacking and pushing farther into Upper Michigan and the UP (read... colder). 2 Bears in the room though :)... #1 Did you swap out your beloved Tenshi for the TP tent and #2 does the table come with you on solo trips or is that just for the splainer video?
The Tenshi is great but a little niche for most people and also discontinued. I usually leave the table behind when solo!
Regarding the quilt, did you choose 7D or 10D for exterior fabric? I think 10D may give you a little better water resistance from condensation in tent. However, would more breathability of 7D do better for allowing moisture to escape? You mentioned the quilt's additional function of preventing the moisture/ice formation in your down bag, but would fabric choices for the synthetic quilt affect this one way or the other very much? Thanks for great videos!
I went with 10d but I have a 7d one and it has been quite durable
How does Flextail Tiny Pump X work on low temperatures? Does the batery discharge faster than a normal temperature or do you keep warm on your chest or something like that?
Superb Sharing my friend! Lot of love and great respect from a solo mountain hiker from the Lower Chitral District of Pakistan.
Pee bottle just might make the Xmas gift list. 😉👍. Actually, several good gift ideas.
Awesome gear and presentation! Can’t wait to get started buying it all.
Hey Justin, great video as always. What size is your reflective mat?
200cm x 100cm!
Justin, I know you love your MH AMG 75 pack for winter camping, but you are way more plugged in to the newer gear out there than me.
If you were going to buy a new Winter Backpack today would that still be the one, or are there others that would be on your short list?
I have a GG Mariposa 60, but just need something a little bigger for the winter gear but am looking for something lighter that my old Dana Designs Terraplane.
It would still be the one! I just filmed a review of it that will be coming out next week. If I was getting it again, I'd MAYBE go for the 105L instead of the 75L for a bit more space. It's really the only pack that has all the features I need for winter.
Great guide Justin! For the Outdoor Research Jan Juan, is there an alternative you would recommend? It seems a little hard to find.
I think the San Juan is discontinued. The BD Dawn Patrol looks like it might be a good option!
Really enjoyed all the great gear ideas! Winter camping is about to start here in Quebec. Can't wait!
Have fun! Lots of awesome spots to go I hear!
Very good and interesting video. I myself am from Sweden and pull everything on a sledge. So there will be some other stuff. Thanks for sharing 😉👍
Snowpackers, I salute you. Question; I often see you using tent flys in fast'n'light setups, like Justin's is here, or your 3-season tents which are mostly mesh inside. This seems like it would be super draughty. I know that your sleep system is responsible for keeping you _warm_ , ambiently, but, how do you manage the breeze on your face?
I am super sensitive to that keeping me up, even just indoors with the AC on, in Summer. Is this just a "me" issue? Or do y'all sleep in balaclavas?
I'm with you. I want a fully enclosed tent in the winter. Marmot Thor is an excellent and roomy tent that won't let you down if the weather gets deadly.
My go-to is a down hood (made by Goose Feet, sold by Z-Packs) that has a cord around the face that I can cinch to just larger than my nose. I've had chilly nose nights, but that beats chilly face nights. It's super light weight, super compressible, and super warm.
And you're exactly right. In all but the most extreme arctic/summit/expedition conditions, your sleeping system is what keeps you warm, not your tent. You need loads of ventilation to prevent/reduce condensation buildup that can dampen or wet your gear and reduce insulation.
I see you have the MSR whisper light with the small canister is that enough gas for your cooking?
for an overnighter, ya :)
CRKT has some pretty great minimalist knifes for camping
What would be approx. R value of the reflective mat?
Which table are you using here? And do you typically take it with you?
I usually take it with me when I am going on group trips! geni.us/UL-Table
Very good! I like that the name and price are in the video.
Cracking list , well thought out and explain nice one 👌
Have to wonder that tent. Light weight and cheap for sure but is does not provide that much protection on harsh winter conditions. I would not change super light weight to a robust tunnel tents from Hilleberg or Fjällräven
What are the name of the pants you are wearing for your winter trips..thanks so much..love the Chanel
OR Trailbreaker II!
Great video, exactly what I needed! 🙌🏻
What would you recommend to someone who has trouble with their battery packs dying from the cold? I saw you kept one in your chest pocket which would keep that one warm, but you had another one stored elsewhere. What brand r they? R they cold weather specific?
As long s you don't turn them on when they are cold and heat them up before using, it should be fine. I store one in my pack but just make sure to heat it up in my jacket for 30+ minutes before using.
Awesome gear Justin, love your vids... Hugs from Brazil
Non-petrol down to minus 30? No way?! I'd like to see that. Norwegians usually switched to liquid "lawnmower" gas by -10°C/20°F. How much snow can you melt with this option? I'm no expert.
What is the lowest temp u can use an inverted canister stove in?
Hello, Justin! I see that you're using a bluetooth thermometer. It seems a little big no me. Why don't you use the Garmin Tempe, that connects to your smartwatch via ant+?
The BT one creates a really nice and easy to look at graph. The tempe is great but a little more work to pull and graph information.
@@JustinOutdoors I have a Tempe, but I don't have a smartwatch. I'm using it with a smartphone that has ant+ and it works great. It has nice graph and, even more, it makes logs that can be exported. Unfortunatley, few phones are ant+ capable these days and that app doesen't work on newer android versions. Anyhow, it's somehow stupid that it works better on a phone than when you're using a Garmin watch (hard to connect, doese't show the temperature on the main screen, and others)
Justin I'm curious why you say you should use a pump to inflate your pad - I've seen info on thermarests website saying breath is fine for air pads (less so for self-inflating pads). But curious if you've got a different source!
Warm moist air is going to "shrink" as it cools off a lot more in winter
The Garmin Fenix family of watches is on sale. $200 off the standard price. REI is stocking all watches except for the Fenix 6 pro solar. I used Justin's link to order a Fenix 6 pro from REI. Great price at $449.
Watch...finest are the citizen eco drive...no batteries, it's a solar driven watch...best is the divers type, 200 euro's...
Thank you. The Citizen watch looks great for an everyday watch. But not for hiking as it doesn't have any metrics or navigation in the Garmin Fenix
Haha I got a pee bottle for my regular camping trips. Figured it would keep my blind ass from wandering off in the dark and getting lost LMAO
Dont get caught with a bottle of pee and poop ... it's a drug called jinkum and you could get 5 years in prison
I refuse Made in China stuff.... So all my gear that I own is Made in USA, Canada or European made, including tools, clothing & shoes..... I lived at a campsite full-time for 3 seasons near Aspen, Colorado (Autumn, Winter, Spring).... One of my secrets is to have 2 tents... Set up a smaller tent inside a larger tent.... Just make sure you keep all the tent vents opened, and all you need to worry about is soft cushioning to be comfortable all night.=== The 2 TENT SYSTEM is good for all 4 seasons, especially during the winter also, in the event of a BEAR ATTACK, you will have that extra barrier granting you more time to utilize the bear Spray, and a gun if your state allows it.
Do you ever use your s2s xt extreme in your videos? When is a good temp to until? I have one and trying to gauge what it is good for
I do :). Air temp isn't the best way to determine whether a pad will perform well, which is why r-value is the industry standard. But I understand air temp is the easiest thing to measure and use. While a ton of factors play into whether a pad will perform well in the cold (ground temp, ground moisture, snow cover, etc), the XT Extreme is good to around the -15C mark.
What are you using as the pole for the tipi tent? Something from Ali express or extended trekking pole?
The pole that came with it :)
Or san juan out of sale. What OR jacket similar this?
If you put the Switchback on top of the Xtherm, you’ll notice a real difference in warmth
Is there an updated list out now?
what about wind that comes underneath the tent sides?
Where you get your snow pants
Very good video! Interesting.
Can you review MH BMG separately?
I'll be reviewing it over on my Gear Priority channel!
Why don’t you use white gas for the whisperlite, much more efficient, cheaper and less bulky
I find white gas a bit of a pain and messy
Thanks Justin. By chance do you have the video for the shock cord strap on the Nitecore
I don't :(
I love that polar ranger bag. I think I’m gonna get the Oberon or questar bag tho for price. I think -10c is my limits in Scotland
Your nalgene bottle link is for a 48oz bottle, but I see the Insulated sleeve is spec'd for a 32oz. Are you using a 32oz bottle, or is the insulator bigger than advertised?
Nvm, I can see it's 32oz in your close up.
What a wonderful set of equipment
I would love to invite you 45 years into the past
I would like to see how you would manage with the gear we had then
No ultralight,
You make due with what you got :). Now going back over 2 million years ago to before fire was harnessed. Now THAT would be a challenge!
Without the fancy sleeping pads 😂 I remember we used a plastic ground cloth, wool blanket folded, and 2" open cell foam under us. Then a down bag on top. But that was here in Oregon above the snow line where it rarely drops below 15F.
Sometimes we'd dig a snow cave, but mostly snow walls and a tipi or tarp on top. Higher up the mountains we'd go for a luxurious half-buried igloo.
Could you update the link to the Bluetooth thermometer? The link provided is a list of thermometers, not the unit you have in your video.
It should be good for anyone in the US, Canada. Japan, Saudi Arabia, India, UAE, and Singapore. other countries don't seem to have that exact model available.
Great work as always -- thank you!
Hi, Does the whisperlite stove fit inside the 2L pot? I have the whisperlite stove but haven't found a pot that it fits nicely inside of. Thanks!
It does! With a medium can
Great video Justin! Like well earned!
Looks like the polar ranger is out of stock everywhere. I just noticed that Fjällräven Polar is pretty much the same bag, except instead of a center zipper and two vents there's just two side zippers of which the other one is only vent/hand sized and the other one can be opened all the way and instead of the snorkel, it has synthetic fur lining for the hood. The extreme temperature for it is -54C. I would say that one of them took notes from the other one, even the color is the same. The price, however, is not the same, the fjällräven one is almost $1400. Ouch.
Hey actually the fjällräven polar -20 is closer in specs to the thermarest polar ranger and the price of it is "only" $1000. The fjällräven polar -30 is a bit beefier than polar ranger.
Well, went ahead and got me one of those. Already tried it out at home and indeed, it seems it is no problem to side sleep in one of these after a long time using a quilt. The hand holes make it very nice to operate a phone or whatever and stay inside the bag.
gonna check it out!
great video. lots of good tips !
Holy budget. $700 sleeping bag!
What brand/model is the thermometer? I’m in Europe so the link is not working, I’ve tried many times to open it (i guess its not for sale on Amazon over here). I’d like to look it up.
It is made by Inkbird :)
What is the small dyneema bag? Thanks
Those fire starters can easily be replaced by tampons, if you are on a budget.
Or fritos!
Would love to backpack in Canada one day. Looks cold!
What about the chairs and table ? just being curious
Just a cheap table off Amazon! When I bring a chair, I use the Chair Zero.
Is the folding table the one from Sierra Madre?
It's just a generic one off Amazon
Any alternative recommendations for the discontinued San Juan? Soft shell with big internal dump pockets.
I've been looking at the BD Dawn Patrol. It could be an option.
@@JustinOutdoors yeah, the dawn patrol has been on my radar as well. I like aspects of the new Arc'teryx Procline, mostly goretex infinium, but the overall weight and features feel like overkill, not to mention $$$. Couldn't really find an obvious replacement in the OR lineup.
Check out OR's carbide jacket!
EXCELLENT video
You said how you use the bivy you would get inside that then get inside your sleeping bag .. is that what you mean ie the bivy against you sleeping bag over that
bivy over sleeping bag for wind protection
What OR pants are you wearing?
geni.us/ORTrailbreakerII
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is it realy better to contaminate your poop with chemicals than just let it decompose by nature
Well done!!
Good video. 👍 😊
Suggesting peeing outside would ruin your night is a bit oppressive don't you think?
Thank you
i wish i could bring myself to winter camp, subbed anyway for some good content
hit em with the soft flex. wide bottle