The Promise Ned Stark NEVER Kept! REVEALED! | Game of Thrones
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- Опубликовано: 22 май 2023
- The Promise Ned Stark NEVER Kept! REVEALED! | Game of Thrones
In the final scene of the farewell between Ned Stark and Jon Snow, Jon asks about the identity of his mother, but Ned evades the question, promising that they will discuss it the next time they meet. Why didn't Ned Stark explain Jon Snow's mother before sending him to the Night's Watch? Why didn't he even share this great secret with his wife? In this video, we will delve into Ned Stark's secret and the tragic fate of Jon Snow. Subscribe to this channel for more Game of Thrones content. Welcome!
Ancient Brehon law would say that sinceJohn took the Black Watch oath as John Snow he gave up anything he might claim as a Stark. However, due to his ignorance of his true identity, he did not give up his Targaryen rights at the same time. In order to renounce his father's Targaryen heritage, he would have to take the oath as Aegon Targaryen. Ned Stark played a long game. He saw a way for the Black Watch to protect John while giving John a huge out if he wanted it.
But since he was killed but brought back that oath to the Nights Watch is done.
Oh I love this
The faceless man doesn't care about your pitiful oaths, or your "rules". In the end only steel matters. John Stark fought against death, fought against darkness. He is my leader, he is my king.
Ned NEVER said he would tell Jon the truth. He said they would talk about her.
Wrong. He said I’ll tell you about your mother. He’s a man of his word
What pisses me off is that Ned Stark kept the secret 4 17 years but Sansa let it out in 10 minutes!
Sansa was a fool and a bit of an idiot.
@mr illis but she's the smartest person aryas ever met 😮!
@@mrillis9259 no…Sansa was actually the smart one and Danaerys proved her correct.
He couldn't tell Cat because she'd always had a huge hatred of bastards, it was mentioned she'd always treated them badly even at River Run growing up. If she'd treated Jon differently from other bastards, someone would have noticed and wondered. Eddard didn't want any undue attention on Jon. I think that after Jon took the oath to the Black, Ed would have felt he was safe. I don't agree; I think that Robert would have still gone after Jon simply because of his absolute loathing of Rhaegar. Knowing Lyanna ran off with him willingly would have been worse in Bobby B's eyes. Who could ever refuse HIM???
But, you can see Ned's plan.. He didn't know of the totally fucked things going on there... Just a vague warning from Cat's sister. So he had to go, (which as we know was Littlefingers doing) but he planned to tell Jon and if it ever got out, he could say, look you fat fk, I am your hand just like you asked, I am here doing your shit, you will not touch that boy who has (he suspected this day may be years away) never made a move for the throne and knows his heritage... Basically, he was expecting honour and logic to win over the placated old fat man....
However, with the Lannisters he didn't know he was literally walking into the lions den. He ran things like Scotland, they were running like London.
The only way to protect a secret is to never tell anyone.
I still believe that Howland Reed knew. He was the only other survivor of the battle at the tower of joy. Which means he is probably one of the most trustworthy people in the 7 Kingdoms. Pretty much every other character would have let it slip even if accidentally. But here Howland Reed keeps it so quiet he doesn't even talk about the fight at all to his kids. Not to mention he apparently cried when he heard about Ned's death showing the two had a truly deep connection more so than just 2 old war buddies. I would love to see Howland Reed in the Snow series. Like have him give John a more detailed explanation of what exactly happened and why Ned did what he did.
Agree 👏🏻👏🏻
Yes I would totally agree with you on that one bro ,,,
Well, and the Dawnstar dude was probably Mance...
@@KrackonisMance was born North of the Wall. He can’t be Dayne.
The best way to keep a secret is not to tell no one. If Ned would had told his wife, the secret would been told.
It was more than keeping a vow to his sister I believe, Ned loved her and would do anything to uphold her dying wish. Ned protected (and loved the last piece of his sister) John the best way that he could knowing how close he would be to the king. No, he couldn't trust his wife with this one. Nope, couldn't do it!
I have a feeling that after a very short period of time Ned realized that he couldn’t trust his wife with anything regarding Jon. Ned was going to tell him but his wife was a viper in the house.
@@rorimorgant.williams6647 I feel like Catelyn wouldn't have been so awful to Jon if she had known that he was Jon's nephew, not his SON.
@@carastone3473 I’m not sure she even really wanted to be married to Ned but to his older brother that died and Ned was just the next in line. Her life afterward was a compromise but at least she loved her children and I do believe that there was affection between Ned and her. In all honesty I have a feeling that both she and her sister both may have accepted political non-love matches for faaaaaamily but the time that it happened and who they where matched were destined to lead to tragedy for both of them and the faaaaaaamily. Ned may have had some affection for Catelyn but NEVER in all the time that they were married did he trust her enough to tell her the secret of Jon, that is a very telling thing about the actual strength of their marriage.
i believe ned would have told jon-he had no idea how deadly king's landing would be. telling Catelyn had the potential to create rumors he wouldn't be able to control-one slip to the wrong person and all the secrecy is gone. the risk was simply too great.
Ive always believed that Ned should have been honest with Cat about the promise he made to Lyanna. She would have understood, and stood by him either way . And she could have actually made a true loving relationship with Jon than the cold withdrawn one she ended up having.
Cat’s reaction is a part of the ruse. Jon’s safety was more important than Cat’s feelings. This ain’t a fairytale so stop pretending it is one.
@@jjh2456 excuse you Mr CynicI dont know who shit in your cheerios this morning but my idea could have gone on without anyone else knowing the wiser besides Ned and Cat and maybe the older children. None of it had to be talked about or mentioned beyond the Stark walls. But that would require loyalty and someone as narrow and negative minded as you couldn't possibly perceive that, I suppose. And NO ONE is going around saying that the story of Game of Thrones is a fairy tale. It just would have been nice to not have Cat think that her husband was a cheater with a random whore, but instead a loyal, caring brother who saved his nephews life. But naw, that's too much for Mr Doom and Gloom, innit?! 🙄 go spew your negativity somewhere else, you gollum.
You haven't been been paying attention to the books/show.
@@BDMC07 omg I seriously said it as a wish/hypothetical thing that would have been nice to happen. Quit nitpicking me, you fucking nerds. For your information I've seen the whole series twice, and am currently in the middle of the 4th book. So yes, I sure as hell AM paying attention, thank you very much.
If she knew she wouldn't have treated him like her husband's bastard and that would have been suspicious.
The best kept secret in the history of westeros Ned indeed was the most honorable man in all of the seven kingdoms ❤❤❤
Idk about honorable. Look at all the lies he told to keep the secret
If you tell a truth that see's someone killed are you honourable, if you spin a lie to see someone protected are you dishonourable. Just some food for thought.
If more than one person knows a secret it becomes information and it's only a matter of time before everyone knows. Not telling Jon Snow was brilliant. Telling him would've only killed him.
He woulda told him. Ned pronised, hes not à man that doesnt keep his promises
Ned Stark was the best character
This always grabbed me by the gut! I like to think Ned would tell him only about Lyanna!😢
I would have loved to see the look on Cats face if she ever found out.
If Ned had told Kat she wouldn't hate him in order to maintain the lie, he couldn't tell her. I think he knew what would've happened when he started bucking the system and banked on being sent to the wall. Only that would've worked had it been a different king.
I believe Ned would have told Jon.. but he kept his word to Lyanna & he didn't get a chance.. Ned knew Jon would have been killed.. I don't think Catelyn would have kept the secret...I was no fan of Catelyn at all... I didn't like her.. she ran off to chase Ned instead of staying home with her 2 young sons.. she could have possibly started the spiraling betrayal of Ned by coming to Kings Landing..
One question that's never been asked but maybe should have been is, Did Eamon Targaryan know that Jon Snow ( Aegon Targaryon ) was in fact his nephew to some degree. Being a maester of the nights watch therefore a sworn brother and would be honor bound to keep secrets, could Benjen have revealed Jons lineage to Aemon establishing the fact that Benjen and Aemon were related through marriage.
Your videos are so interesting, I wait to read the comments until after watching. Yes, I think Ned would have told Jon if he’d have lived. I also believed what @Danielle Wesson said, Ned should have told cat because she would understand. However, after listening to how Cat is intertwined with The Hand that was murdered, I’ve changed my mind. Cat’s family loyalty might have usurped Ned’s secret 🤷🏼♀️. It’s a very plausible explanation.
That is probably one of the top questions I've had for the whole series. Why on earth did Ned Stark keep this from his wife? She was obviously so affected by this that she even wished she could kill Jon Snow. And with Ned Stark's integrity and good character, I would think he would save his wife from such a jealous life.
She shouldn’t have been so jealous. Jon was fathered during the war. The most stressful, devastating and anxious part of his life. They had only met once before marrying.
She should’ve been a little more sympathetic. Especially after being married to him for years and he didn’t leave her bed.
Yeah I think Holland Reed knew too.
Ned took the choice away from Jon. and I've honestly always wondered is he keeping Jon or Robert safe? Ned robbed Jon of any happiness he could ever have, no children or wife no dance for Jon to see the rest of westroes. It was worse in the books Jon was 14 a child that romanticized the watch and thought that was his only option. Ned failed Jon severely
He tried to keep him out of the game of thrones
Yes, let’s send thousands of people to war. To put a child on the throne.
Ned didn’t want Jon to go to the Wall until he asked and Maester Luwin confirmed. But he saw the benefits of Jon being untouchable once he took those vows. And if anyone found out, only Ned and Howland would be punished.
Jon would not have been able to keep that secret at ages 14 or 17.
Ned couldn't tell him until he took the black only then would he be safe out of the reach of the king keep in mind there was already a Targaryen at the wall the king couldn't touch maester aemon
Given how impulsive Cat was and pretty much kicked off the War of the Five Kings, things might have gotten real ugly.
Ned had to keep the secret to protect Jon from Robert's psycho Targaryen-hatred.
Ned Stark's fatal mistake was not crowning Jon right after Bobby B's death
He knew how dangerous kingslanding was and that there was a good chance he’d never see John again so that’s why. He gave John just enough hope to keep him going.
Ned's honor was second to his love for his sister. His promise had nothing to do with honor. The secret he kept was a betrayal to his friend the king. He had to appear to have dishonored his wife.
I love your videos but pronunciation man 😂 It’s Cat stark, not Kait
One would assume that howland reed and the midwives definitely knew, and Arthur Dayne, Oswell Whent, and Gerold Hightower must have had some idea. I can't envision ned stark killing the midwives who were present but letting howland reed walk away with the truth
Ned told no one because Ned understands a universal truth nobody else seems to and that’s you can not trust anyone period.
If Robb and the Northern lords had known about Jon (and if Jon had not joined the NW), would they have declared for Jon instead of seceding? How would that have turned out?
Cat wasn’t told because she was just as cunning. She hated Jon. Imagine knowing he was heir to the thrown. Over her own kids.
It was another wild card for Ned, his ace in the hole, if he ever needed it!!!
the oath the nw takes is also magical, it opens the door at the nf. which is a weirwood mouth.
Could it be that ned told him about the prince that was promised and needed to put him in a place to understand the threat of winter is coming
So... what about Edric Dayne's testimony? Edric Dayne was nursed by Wyla, who had to have been pregnant. With whom? Everyone seems to be forgetting Arya's and Edric's conversation.
NED WANTED JON TO TAKE HIS VOWS AS A BROTHER OF THE NIGHTS WATCH BECAUSE HE WOULD BE GIVING UP ALL CLAIMS AND TITLES. THEN, HAVING NO RIGHT TO CLAIM OR TITLE, HE WOULD TELL JOHN HE WAS A PRINCE.
If Ned would have told him he would have left the watch Jon Snow took the oath aegon Targaryen did not
No Ned did it right to keep John alive. Cat was the one that convinced Ned to trust little finger, look how that worked out.
I wonder why Ned wouldn't have told everyone that Jon's mother died? Because I was really unfair to keep denying him information about his biological mother. Why not send him to the free cities? Maybe, even to meet his Auntie Danny?
Ned please, raise my son who will lead the people in the coming darkenss, as a bastard and let the tullys think him a bastard.
Jon being the son of Lyanna and Rhaegar is the easy answer. It is GRR Martin, I am not sure he is going for the easy answer.
He is going for the easy answer on this one.
He didn't tell his wife because Kat was a biotch and she definitely would have blabbed.
Lol benjen is his uncle either way regardless who was his parent as either was his sibling
Might be more to the story than we know in regards to ned stark… that dishonorable (by his standards) back stab to Arthur dayne… does that mean more than we think?
Deception and manipulation is not honor
For Ned, Jon was his sister's son. He loved her and cared for her so he also loved her son. He wanted to save Jon from both Robert and Targerian. He didn't wanted Jon to become a power hungry men. Ned always believed in Duty over anything. He was only waiting for the time when Jon realises that Honor and duty goes a long way and become a true Stark. In the end, Jon did turned out to be a stark, loyal to the Oath and way more honor. Ned never wanted to rule the seven kingdom unless it was the only option. He never wanted Jon to become like others, hungry for power and lust. Jon became the greatest Stark ever born for which he'll be remembered for ages.
The statement by Bran that Robert`s rebellion was built on a lie is bluntly very simple minded. The most obvious problem is that the rebellion happened because the mad King murdered Ned`s father and brother over their protest over Raeghar`s running away with Lyanna and then ordered the Jon Arynn to turn over Ned and Robert to him for execution. That was what caused the rebellion.
I further note that Raeghar and Lyanna seem to have told just about nobody that they had gotten married and instead Lyanna a Raeghar hid in the south, in Dorne, for months while everything went to shit. And when Raeghar shows up in Kings Landing he again tells no one he has married Lyanna. Why? I'll get to that.
Westeros is a Medieval society. Marriages between Noble Houses were ecided not by love but by the forging of alliances between houses etc. Love plays a small if any role. Lyanna was promised to Robert i.e., betrothed to him, by breaking that berothel and running off together and getting married Raeghar and Lyanna were behaving irresponsibly to put it mildly. Further a berothel was considered a sort of pre-marriage and any subsequent marriage to someone else if the person was still alive would be considered illegitimate. In otherwords Raeghar's marriage to Lyanna was probably void. Further has heir to the throne could Raeghar marry without his father's permission? And what about Elia Raeghar's wife? It appears Raeghar treated her badly and at Harrenhall insulted her during the jousting ceremony by giving that wreath to Lyanna. Does Dornish law have any here? Did Raeghar divorce Elia, without her knowledge? Was he still married to her? After all some Westerosean Kings had more than one wife. Did he try to have the marriage annualled and thus basterdize his children by Elia?
If the mad King had known about the "Marriage" I suspect he would have declared it null and void, which is why Raeghar kept mum about it. The books give clear hints that Raeghar's marriage was not just about love but about Raeghar's thoughts about becoming the Azor-Ahai or the father of the Azor-Ahai. Has it is Raeghar and Lyanna had managed to do something that that would absolutely enrage 3 of the Seven Kingdoms.
1) Both the North and Stormlands would be enraged at the breaking of the berothel by the heir to the Iron Throne and Lyanna. "Love" won't cut it.
2)Dorne would not be remotely happy about the obvious and clear insult to Elia and her children.
It seems obvious to me that Reaghar in this case was an utter idiot playing with fire. The fact he hid the marriage and was down south for months more or less hiding indicates he knew damn well how pissed people would be. So he and Lyanna sulked in the south for months while shit hit the fan and things went from bad to worst.
If the truth had got out about the "love" and "Marriage" things would likely have been worst with Dorne joining the ranks of the enraged. the alleged fact that Raeghar and Lyanna "loved" each other would make little difference and if Lyanna and Raeghar had still hidden away the damage would only have gotten worst.
We can see how things could have developed if you see the Robb / Talia match has a parallel to the Raeghar / Lyanna it turned into a disasterous mess even before the Red Wedding. I should point out that the breach of the rules in the Robb / Talia match was far less egerious than in the Raeghar / Lyanna match. For one thing Robb wasn't already married.
Raeghar was an idiot playing with fire and he knew it. Hence the secret Wedding and hiding away when things are going to shit.
Whether or not the mad King would have murdered Ned's father and brother if the full truth had been known is up in the air. What is clear is that the North and Stormlands would have still protested and demanded some punishment for Raeghar and they would almost certainly have been joined by Dorne in this. Frankly my suspecion is that the reason Raeghar kept the "marriage" a secret is A) the mad King would likely have declared it null and void and B) the mad King just might have imprisoned and disinherited Raeghar and declared Raeghar's eldest son his heir instead.
Frankly Raeghar's stupidity is awesome asnd if we want the "real" cause of Robert's rebellion the actual cause.
It wasn't stupid. Raeghar and Lyanna took tremendous risk to break the customs of the world. They knew that only the union of the Targarian and Stark can bring justice in the society. Jon was the perfect blend of fire and ice, he was water. It was their son that United the world beyond the wall and the seven kingdom. It would have been impossible to defeat the enemy beyond the wall and within. Targarians were powerful and Starks were Righteous, their union would bring a child that is righteous ly powerful. Jon is righteous powerful man guarding the world on the Nights watch. Also, you cannot kill him. They knew what they're doing and what would be the consequences of it. Raeghar was into magic and prophecy, he must've known about it. He knew it was a one way ride but still he took it. It was a plot and plots are not made public.
I think it was a bitchin plot device.
STOP Saying BEN-JEN!!!! 😂 I like your vids but it does def get annoying, coming from a good fan who been listening from your start…wink 😊
He didn’t tell his wife because of how she treated Jon