"Bullet Spin" so simple but, that makes so much more sense. You just explained in two words, what no overly complex, scientifictic explanation of this topic could teach. Your content is next level. Thank you, sir!
I'm 12 and this helped me win my championship game yesterday. I pitched fastballs and i had never done a slider before so no one was expecting it. Thank you!
Love your videos man. I used to pitch but all i had was a fastball lol. And i never played like real baseball just with the guys. But I’m teaching my son now i want him to have all the pitches not just a fast ball. Thanks to u he can have that
I know I’m very late, but this is some great content. Very easy to understand and great explanation for people trying to get better at pitching like me.
I like how you described the ball spin as "rifling" or some would call it a "gyro" spin. It helps with the visualization of the grip and spin movements.
@James Alexander Why does it concern you? Hes trying to learn about the slider and you’re sitting down on your couch judging him. Find something to do with your life.
So on a curve the wrist tends to be turned inward (supanated) around 90 degrees compared to a fastball. Would u agree on a slider that the wrist will generally be turned in around 45 degrees to get some of that top spin but still get that bullet spin? (Im not say to turn during the release just how the wrist positioned upon release)
I dont think that thinking about the angle of the wrist is a valuable conversation. You'll have a good or bad slider not because of wrist angle but because you throw it and tinker with it and figure out what makes it work best. If you get lost in the weeds of too many technical details, it doesnt really help. Throwing it helps.
I mean I cant see your slider, and just because it works at a low level doesnt necessarily its an actually good one, but in general what matters is the output, not the techy details. For a century pitchers have been throwing curves and sliders without knowing or caring about the spin rate or physics of it, right?
Is it really a combination spin where the ball rotates on two axis’, or does it spin on one axis that is pointed slightly down and to the left (from the pitcher’s perspective) ?
Between the curve and slider, which pitch put more strain on your elbow? Most adolescents learn to throw a curve/change first, but I always wondered people didn’t throw more sliders in hs
Hi I come from Taiwan. I think your Chinese subtitles have lots of mistake, when I open the Chinese subtitles, I can't read through it because the meaning doesn't make sense. Then i open the English subtitles so that I can watch your video.
Hi JTW! Thanks for the feedback. I used RUclips’s automatic translation feature. I don’t know Chinese, so I do it just in case it helps at least a little. I’m sorry to hear it’s not great, but my goal is to help anyone around the world who wants to watch. Thank you for watching and for letting me know!
I throw it way different than all of those. I played with how a two seam fastball works and just use a slider grip. I was going after replicating the Johnson slider movement. I got it eventually and it helps a whole lot to drop one in on a big sweep against a lefty as a righty or if you got a plate hog who hasn't seen a sweep like that before and you sweep one inside on a righty and watch them get back only to find it's still a strike.
be careful - the bigger it gets, the less sharp it will be. Johnson's looked bigger that it was because he was a lefty and the camera angle caused it to look huge.
@@DanBlewett Exactly, the bigger I make it the harder it is to be accurate. Thumb placement helps me add or take a bit off of the sweep. Speed differential between it and the 2 and 4 seam is right were it should be and then if I need a bit less speed I just drop a 12/6 curve on them or a change/circle change depending on what's working that day.
@@DanBlewett Ahh I got ya. Yeah It can tend to look like a curve to some guys facing me. My biggest problem is when throwing I end up with a tingling pain in my hand sometimes and in my forearm. It's like I can't transfer all of the force into the ball and it'll go right up to my fingertips like it's centrifugal related. I have never figured out why. So I just stop right there and stop pitching for the day.
Hi Dan, any thoughts on a 'spike slider'? I've heard and read that its gripped similarly to a slider (fingers together on the inside of the horseshoe), but its thrown like a 4SFB and the fact that the middle finger is offset as the ball is released, puts some gyro spin on it. Does this pitch seem like a decent stepping stone into a real slider for a youth pitcher if there isn't supposed to be a lot of supination or workload on the fingers? There's some footage floating around the internet of Yu Darvish throwing them as a Cubbie.
i dont think kids need a stepping stone into a real slider - just throw it. The search for a safe, "kid-friendly" version of curves and sliders is a waste of everyone's time - they dont really exist and there arent these tricky ways to make a slider or curve break without being, well a slider or curve. Either commit to the real pitch or dont throw it
hello;) your videos makes me learn curveball, slider, and many others!!!!!!!!! my favorite is the breaking ball, btw i just started learning baseball and i think i will go as a pitcher heheh:)
it would also help if you showed us how the ball reacts the different styles of throwing the baseball, And the whole time i was confused wither you were teaching how to throw a curve ball or a slider.
My son was able to throw a slider really easy. He still struggle to throw the curve consistently. Curveball grip and throw fastball but at the release he is pushing his fingers up to the 1 o’clock.
Hey Dan. Wanted your opinion on something. I’m a 29 yr old pitcher who just joined a men’s amateur league after being out of the game for 8 years. I could never get the slider to break quite right but had a dominant curve and circle change. I’d occasionally use an 0-2 throwaway pitch to practice my slider but only got it to break really well if I tried a side spin on it. Should I use any drills to improve it or just stick to my 3 good pitches? Thanks for your time
What happens if you grip the top end seam with your pointer only(where middle used to be), and lower your middle finger to the bottom seam. Less of a grip with thumb
youre taking that out of context, and I think you know that you are. You can't choose some ridiculous grip and expect good results, but among all normal slider grips, the grip doesnt matter much.
@@DanBlewett I mean the standard circle change grip is ridiculous, and it's imo the best pitch. I have tried that slider grip, even threw 3 straight, to our best hitter just for fun, that broke over the middle of the plate belt high. 3 swings and misses. Unorthodox, sure, swinging underneath a slider you knew was coming? Silly 😜
When asked "How do you throw a slider?", I would tell them, "Throw it like a football.... sorta." When you release the ball, your hand is angled inward (not fully inward angled like for a curve) so when you release the ball, the ball actually comes off the index finger. What you're trying to create is a baseball in flight spinning on an axis angled foward towards the plate. Why? The velocity of a slider is less than a fastball. Therefore the slider will gradually change its path as it travels Towards the plate curving downward due to gravity... more so at the end. The path of the baseball changes direction naturally downward... but the angle of the spin does not. Now, when you release the ball, it has a forward angled spin on the ball. At point of release, there is minimal lateral force from the spin on the ball. But when the ball starts going downward due to gravity, the spin rotation comes more and more into play as it travels towards the plate creating an increasingly greater lateral force. A good slider will have a "break" in flight at the end when it gets close to the plate. My slider. The middle finger is the longest and strongest finger on the hand. So the question is, "How do you maximize the power of the middle finger?" What I used to do was put the tip of the index finger right next to the big knuckle of the middle finger. This way the slider comes off mostly off the middle finger... like causing the index finger to be "out of the way". Some call this a "knuckle slider"... some call this a "knuckle curve". Found this to be a very effective pitch.
Interesting, sounds like you are describing a curveball. I throw a curveball more like a football with my wrist turned 90 degree to the inside and with more off my middle finger. Slider I throw more like a fast ball, but allow the ball slide off the outside of my index finger.
Hi Dan, just a quick question regarding different types of slider. Have you ever heard somebody could throw a pitch called 'down slider'? much appreciated
That supinated hand throw you called the "little league curveball," is that a real pitch or is that literally how the throw a curveball in little league?
@@DanBlewett A slider would be the closest thing to that supinated delivery, wouldn't it? I'm asking because I have a golf channel and this relates to golf. Thanks.
Question....where was this information 50 years ago. Seriously the fathers that coached baseball back then knew absolutely nothing about pitching, quality training, etc. The skills today are by far so much better. Especially for a player who wants to be in the MLB.
well video cameras barely existed, and I'm not sure this stuff was well-explained on a paperback book, but I appreciate the sentiment! We've come a long way in our understanding of a lot of things.
I understand that it is like a breaking fast ball. I don’t understand how your fingers come over the front side of the ball just before releasing it without taking lots of speed off of it.
@@DanBlewett as a sophomore in highschool, I disagree with that. At about 12 I would start to teach kids pitches like curveball or other breaking ball. As a 14 yo freshman coaches expect you to have an almost perfected curveball
@@alexbranham1847 You're welcome to disagree, but all my freshman guys throw very good breaking balls despite having learned them from me only last year. So there's a lot of evidence from my players that learning it at 12 is certainly not essential. Thanks for the comment!
@@alexbranham1847 Mr Blewett doesnt want to offend or take the chance of offending so I will(not intending to offend you)......the first sentence in your post says everything. "As a sophomore in high school....!" No disrespect, Alex but 95% of pitching professionals(either pitching coaches or professional pitchers in MLB) say at least 14 yrs of age when thrown properly. Im sure your a great kid but your advice compared to someone that has been doing something since before you were conceived is no comparison. Here is a bit of advice........listen to people with knowledge and experience as opposed to doing what you think is best. Life will be a lot easier for you if you will do this. Part of being a great athlete is being coachable. Some kids may mature sooner than others. Some kids may not mature until their late teens. The majority of young pitchers growth plates have fused or are starting to fuse by age 14. Throwing any pitches other than fastball or change up before 14 is dangerous and detrimental to future pitching. Everyone needs instruction but no one needs the wrong instruction. Good luck in your pitching Alex.
Well no - it will have more vertical downward movement because it lacks the backspin that a fastball has that helps it resist gravity, but bulletspin doesn’t cause break in the sense we typically speak of
The hyperextension of the elbow ligaments is what causes trouble, younger guys shouldn't be throwing them too often for that reason, but you can snap ligaments at any age. So it's slightly more dangerous than a fastball, but not that dangerous
@ no, I just turned 14 and have been throwing a decent slider for a couple months, just make sure not to overuse it and make sure to take a break when your elbow starts hurting
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"Bullet Spin" so simple but, that makes so much more sense. You just explained in two words, what no overly complex, scientifictic explanation of this topic could teach. Your content is next level. Thank you, sir!
I'm 12 and this helped me win my championship game yesterday. I pitched fastballs and i had never done a slider before so no one was expecting it. Thank you!
Be careful bro ur too young for a slider. id use a changeup then next year work on a 2 seam and curve then when ur 15 try a slider
Ohhhh that makes sense. I was trying to spin it completely on the z axis like a bullet. Thanks for the help!
Finally a great description of how your hand leaves the ball .tx
Glad you enjoyed it!
Love your videos man. I used to pitch but all i had was a fastball lol. And i never played like real baseball just with the guys. But I’m teaching my son now i want him to have all the pitches not just a fast ball. Thanks to u he can have that
I know I’m very late, but this is some great content. Very easy to understand and great explanation for people trying to get better at pitching like me.
Glad it was helpful!
The only dislike is the batter you bout to strike out
Yep
Lol
I’m a lefty
This is the best video explaining the mechanism of the slider I've ever seen on RUclips! Thank you so much Sir!
Glad it was helpful!
I like how you described the ball spin as "rifling" or some would call it a "gyro" spin. It helps with the visualization of the grip and spin movements.
Awesome tutorial. Easy to understand. The repetitive explanation allowed me to follow along without having to constantly rewind. Thanks!
Excellent explanation. I like your,”there is more than one way to skin a cat” approach. Too many coaches believe in a “one size fits all”.
Probably the best explanation I've heard/seen. I now have a good idea of how a slider is thrown and why it has more velocity than the curve.
@James Alexander Why does it concern you? Hes trying to learn about the slider and you’re sitting down on your couch judging him. Find something to do with your life.
Thank you! For helping me
Thanks for watching!
I mean no durrr it’s for helping you what else would it be thanks for buying me dinner 😂
@@derektroyer6640 I’m dying laughing😐
I like the way you explained the pitching mechanism.
thanks!
This video has definitely help me with my slider grip. Been having some fun at the park.
Great to hear!
You have become one of my favorite baseball channels thanks for the good work!
Awesome! Thank you!
Should this spin you demonstrated typically provide the lateral movement to the glove or hand side? Mine runs hand side
A slider should always move gloveside, or else something is very very wrong and its not a slider
Great job! I appreciate your taking your time to share your expertise.
Glad it was helpful!
Once I get good at this, I’ll be great!! Thank you so much Dan
no problemo
thanks I love your videos they help me a lot and helped me as a pitcher.👍🏽
Happy to help!
thank you for the pitching tips
So on a curve the wrist tends to be turned inward (supanated) around 90 degrees compared to a fastball. Would u agree on a slider that the wrist will generally be turned in around 45 degrees to get some of that top spin but still get that bullet spin? (Im not say to turn during the release just how the wrist positioned upon release)
I dont think that thinking about the angle of the wrist is a valuable conversation. You'll have a good or bad slider not because of wrist angle but because you throw it and tinker with it and figure out what makes it work best. If you get lost in the weeds of too many technical details, it doesnt really help. Throwing it helps.
@@DanBlewett so if thats how i throw my slider and it works, it should be fine?
I mean I cant see your slider, and just because it works at a low level doesnt necessarily its an actually good one, but in general what matters is the output, not the techy details. For a century pitchers have been throwing curves and sliders without knowing or caring about the spin rate or physics of it, right?
Hello, Mr. Blewette I noticed that one of the baseballs you were holding was from the alpb, and I was wonder if you played in the leauge
Yes. 3 seasons.
@@DanBlewett cool, I am a ducks fan and probably saw you pitch a couple games
Is it really a combination spin where the ball rotates on two axis’, or does it spin on one axis that is pointed slightly down and to the left (from the pitcher’s perspective) ?
combination. its not a curveball
Between the curve and slider, which pitch put more strain on your elbow? Most adolescents learn to throw a curve/change first, but I always wondered people didn’t throw more sliders in hs
im not sure there is research showing either is better / worse than the other
Thank you!!!!!!!!! But how do you trow a eephus???
not a useful pitch - I dont make videos on junk pitches
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Hi I come from Taiwan. I think your Chinese subtitles have lots of mistake, when I open the Chinese subtitles, I can't read through it because the meaning doesn't make sense. Then i open the English subtitles so that I can watch your video.
Hi JTW! Thanks for the feedback. I used RUclips’s automatic translation feature. I don’t know Chinese, so I do it just in case it helps at least a little. I’m sorry to hear it’s not great, but my goal is to help anyone around the world who wants to watch. Thank you for watching and for letting me know!
Nice job explaining that. Thanks
I throw it way different than all of those. I played with how a two seam fastball works and just use a slider grip. I was going after replicating the Johnson slider movement. I got it eventually and it helps a whole lot to drop one in on a big sweep against a lefty as a righty or if you got a plate hog who hasn't seen a sweep like that before and you sweep one inside on a righty and watch them get back only to find it's still a strike.
be careful - the bigger it gets, the less sharp it will be. Johnson's looked bigger that it was because he was a lefty and the camera angle caused it to look huge.
@@DanBlewett Exactly, the bigger I make it the harder it is to be accurate. Thumb placement helps me add or take a bit off of the sweep. Speed differential between it and the 2 and 4 seam is right were it should be and then if I need a bit less speed I just drop a 12/6 curve on them or a change/circle change depending on what's working that day.
no I mean the sharpness of break.
@@DanBlewett Ahh I got ya. Yeah It can tend to look like a curve to some guys facing me. My biggest problem is when throwing I end up with a tingling pain in my hand sometimes and in my forearm. It's like I can't transfer all of the force into the ball and it'll go right up to my fingertips like it's centrifugal related. I have never figured out why. So I just stop right there and stop pitching for the day.
Thanks so much for the help. Now i can do sliders :)
Happy to help
Hi Dan, any thoughts on a 'spike slider'? I've heard and read that its gripped similarly to a slider (fingers together on the inside of the horseshoe), but its thrown like a 4SFB and the fact that the middle finger is offset as the ball is released, puts some gyro spin on it. Does this pitch seem like a decent stepping stone into a real slider for a youth pitcher if there isn't supposed to be a lot of supination or workload on the fingers? There's some footage floating around the internet of Yu Darvish throwing them as a Cubbie.
i dont think kids need a stepping stone into a real slider - just throw it. The search for a safe, "kid-friendly" version of curves and sliders is a waste of everyone's time - they dont really exist and there arent these tricky ways to make a slider or curve break without being, well a slider or curve. Either commit to the real pitch or dont throw it
Appreciate the subtitles!
no prob
100% of my videos have at least English added
Such a good video.
hello;) your videos makes me learn curveball, slider, and many others!!!!!!!!! my favorite is the breaking ball, btw i just started learning baseball and i think i will go as a pitcher heheh:)
That’s great! Work hard
it would also help if you showed us how the ball reacts the different styles of throwing the baseball, And the whole time i was confused wither you were teaching how to throw a curve ball or a slider.
Strange considering the title of the video
My son was able to throw a slider really easy. He still struggle to throw the curve consistently. Curveball grip and throw fastball but at the release he is pushing his fingers up to the 1 o’clock.
Hey Dan. Wanted your opinion on something. I’m a 29 yr old pitcher who just joined a men’s amateur league after being out of the game for 8 years. I could never get the slider to break quite right but had a dominant curve and circle change. I’d occasionally use an 0-2 throwaway pitch to practice my slider but only got it to break really well if I tried a side spin on it. Should I use any drills to improve it or just stick to my 3 good pitches? Thanks for your time
I cant imagine why youd need a 4th pitch to get amateur league hitters out, especially if you have a "dominant" curve.
Hi! Im a thirteen year old from Indiana. Should I be throwing a curvbsall? If I shouldn't, what age should I start?
I’d wait until you’re 14 to start learning it.
What happens if you grip the top end seam with your pointer only(where middle used to be), and lower your middle finger to the bottom seam. Less of a grip with thumb
go try it for yourself. it would be trash
@@DanBlewett "Grip doesnt matter, arm action does"
youre taking that out of context, and I think you know that you are. You can't choose some ridiculous grip and expect good results, but among all normal slider grips, the grip doesnt matter much.
@@DanBlewett I mean the standard circle change grip is ridiculous, and it's imo the best pitch. I have tried that slider grip, even threw 3 straight, to our best hitter just for fun, that broke over the middle of the plate belt high. 3 swings and misses. Unorthodox, sure, swinging underneath a slider you knew was coming? Silly 😜
When asked "How do you throw a slider?", I would tell them, "Throw it like a football.... sorta." When you release the ball, your hand is angled inward (not fully inward angled like for a curve) so when you release the ball, the ball actually comes off the index finger. What you're trying to create is a baseball in flight spinning on an axis angled foward towards the plate. Why? The velocity of a slider is less than a fastball. Therefore the slider will gradually change its path as it travels Towards the plate curving downward due to gravity... more so at the end. The path of the baseball changes direction naturally downward... but the angle of the spin does not.
Now, when you release the ball, it has a forward angled spin on the ball. At point of release, there is minimal lateral force from the spin on the ball. But when the ball starts going downward due to gravity, the spin rotation comes more and more into play as it travels towards the plate creating an increasingly greater lateral force. A good slider will have a "break" in flight at the end when it gets close to the plate.
My slider. The middle finger is the longest and strongest finger on the hand. So the question is, "How do you maximize the power of the middle finger?" What I used to do was put the tip of the index finger right next to the big knuckle of the middle finger. This way the slider comes off mostly off the middle finger... like causing the index finger to be "out of the way". Some call this a "knuckle slider"... some call this a "knuckle curve". Found this to be a very effective pitch.
Interesting, sounds like you are describing a curveball. I throw a curveball more like a football with my wrist turned 90 degree to the inside and with more off my middle finger. Slider I throw more like a fast ball, but allow the ball slide off the outside of my index finger.
Dang bro that’s actually a fire pitch tho
I like this
Hi Dan, just a quick question regarding different types of slider. Have you ever heard somebody could throw a pitch called 'down slider'? much appreciated
Slurve.
My biggest problem is I get too much bullet spin on it. I try to come more to the top but it still doesn't move much
keep throwing it.
@@DanBlewett You should definitely make a slider course like you have for your curveball.
That supinated hand throw you called the "little league curveball," is that a real pitch or is that literally how the throw a curveball in little league?
its means basically, "the way little kids who don't know any better throw a curveball"
@@DanBlewett A slider would be the closest thing to that supinated delivery, wouldn't it? I'm asking because I have a golf channel and this relates to golf. Thanks.
yeah, the closest legitimately thrown pitch, but all breaking balls have a supinated wrist position at release. curve or slider.
@@DanBlewett Thank you. I didn't want to sound like an idiot when I mention it in a video.
very helpfull
Question....where was this information 50 years ago. Seriously the fathers that coached baseball back then knew absolutely nothing about pitching, quality training, etc. The skills today are by far so much better. Especially for a player who wants to be in the MLB.
well video cameras barely existed, and I'm not sure this stuff was well-explained on a paperback book, but I appreciate the sentiment! We've come a long way in our understanding of a lot of things.
I’m curious how sliders are on ur arm
no firm research on it. increased use of breaking balls in general tend to cause more pain.
@@DanBlewett Well, you could be like me and have Labrum repair, acromioplasty, and rotator cuff surgery ughhh 😞
Hi god bless have a good one
Can we do a slider with a cricket ball
I don’t make videos on sports I don’t / haven’t played
I understand that it is like a breaking fast ball. I don’t understand how your fingers come over the front side of the ball just before releasing it without taking lots of speed off of it.
go throw it
Is this fine to throw for me as a 13 yr old?
same advice as here: ruclips.net/video/HVmW1IwYJYc/видео.html
What u think about teaching this pitch to my 10year old son??
Way too young. Changeup fastball until age 14 is my recommendation
@@DanBlewett as a sophomore in highschool, I disagree with that. At about 12 I would start to teach kids pitches like curveball or other breaking ball. As a 14 yo freshman coaches expect you to have an almost perfected curveball
@@alexbranham1847 You're welcome to disagree, but all my freshman guys throw very good breaking balls despite having learned them from me only last year. So there's a lot of evidence from my players that learning it at 12 is certainly not essential. Thanks for the comment!
Dan Blewett is I’m 13 and I throw changeup fastball curve and am trying work in a slider thanks this really helped
@@alexbranham1847 Mr Blewett doesnt want to offend or take the chance of offending so I will(not intending to offend you)......the first sentence in your post says everything. "As a sophomore in high school....!" No disrespect, Alex but 95% of pitching professionals(either pitching coaches or professional pitchers in MLB) say at least 14 yrs of age when thrown properly. Im sure your a great kid but your advice compared to someone that has been doing something since before you were conceived is no comparison. Here is a bit of advice........listen to people with knowledge and experience as opposed to doing what you think is best. Life will be a lot easier for you if you will do this. Part of being a great athlete is being coachable.
Some kids may mature sooner than others. Some kids may not mature until their late teens. The majority of young pitchers growth plates have fused or are starting to fuse by age 14. Throwing any pitches other than fastball or change up before 14 is dangerous and detrimental to future pitching. Everyone needs instruction but no one needs the wrong instruction.
Good luck in your pitching Alex.
Just pitched in a game struck 10 guys out with a slider thx
Mine always comes out like Urías Slurve
Mine moves like a curve ball, but it’s still a work in progress
But if you only apply bullet spin it’s gonna break because it’s not going to have fastball spin
Well no - it will have more vertical downward movement because it lacks the backspin that a fastball has that helps it resist gravity, but bulletspin doesn’t cause break in the sense we typically speak of
Dan Blewett thanks
I’ve heard many people say the slider causes stress on the elbow and is “dangerous” to throw. Is that a myth or do you agree?!
50% or more of Major Leaguers throw sliders. I think it’s up to you to decide.
The hyperextension of the elbow ligaments is what causes trouble, younger guys shouldn't be throwing them too often for that reason, but you can snap ligaments at any age. So it's slightly more dangerous than a fastball, but not that dangerous
@ no, I just turned 14 and have been throwing a decent slider for a couple months, just make sure not to overuse it and make sure to take a break when your elbow starts hurting
Coach Dan, thanks really enjoyed this slider video.
Hi sir
God bless
Do you think trying to throw it like a football is the right idea?
yeah kinda
Nice
I am a kid in the majors all stars
Slider is the easiest pitch for me to throw. Idk it always came natural to me.
Im literally using the same ball with the 20 year commemorative logo
Slider要叫滑球，中文不應該翻譯成滑块
Actually looks a lot more difficult and less straightforward than throwing a curve...
Is it really nasty
🙏
no matter where I put my fingers the ball jus does the same thing lol
keep at it. it can take time