Morrissey & Marr Interview (Basque Television) (1985)
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Interview with Morrissey and Johnny Marr for the Basque Television program "Arsenal" Topics discussed: the position of the Smiths in the current music scene, the cover art on Smiths releases, the punk movement, Joy Division and dead groups, Sandie Shaw, free time, Ben & Tracy, making videos. (4 October 1985)
Some people say that they could listen to somebody talk all day. But with Morrissey, I called WATCH him talk all day. His expressions are so unique.
I could do both when it comes to morrissey
I like Johnny's voice. It's very calming. He's a charming man. :)
two fascinating and immensely talented, unique individuals
Look at Johnny's face when Morrissey talks about The Doors.
jim bob "I don't think they even had hit singles!"
yeah, he is saying "your talking shit"
jim bob and then Johnny said-"were not closing any doors"
There's a lot of cleaverer editing in this in case you didn't notice.
but jim bob
could be dead now, it was 4 years ago
No, Marr HATEd the doors and especially Morrison. He liked that Morrissey said it.
Marr and Morrissey are so different. It was actually amazing that they made it work as long as they did.
I think that's what makes for a great band. It's also the thing that tears a partnership apart in the end though.
Marr is an extremely cultured guy in every way , classy guy
And uh … today? I’d definitely pay to see Johnny Marr perform How Soon is Now, over Morrissey. (Sorry but Sooo true!)
Not Basque but Catalan. This Catalan television channel was called "Canal 33" at the time of this programme (this is why the subtitles are in Catalan and not in Basque). In 2001 the channel was renamed "El 33". By the way: fascinating interview, a precious document.
Thanks for that I was trying to figure out what language it was!
"Who really cared about The Doors when they existed? I don't think they even had hit singles."
LOL. No wonder Marr flashed a smile; he's like "Moz, you're clueless there, buddy."
@Ciaran Moran213 now we're pissed at comments he's making today! some things never change
Morrissey was a child when The Doors hit the charts.
It's true no one did when they were alive when Jim Morrison died that's when they went up in fame
I feel like Morrissey made Marr a bit snobbish and overly analytical, but I also think Marr grounded Morrissey in the same way. When The Smiths broke up, the two lost each other, which I think had a profound effect on the both of them, but was more detrimental to Morrissey than Johnny. Johnny seems very calm, now more than ever, whilst Morrissey has become only more Morrissey-esque, almost a stereotype of his younger self, and of course musically he's a bit boring sans Marr, in a similar way to how I'd imagine Jim Morrison without Ray Manzarek. It's not terrible music by any means, but it's no where near the calibre of work they were doing together
I couldn't agree more! they really balance eachother out in the best way possible, for the time being, at least.
Just beautiful. 2 very bright humans. Love them so much.
definitely the coolest smiths interview
i wish there were a channel filled with stuff like this
anyone who dislikes what they are saying about joy division is not understanding their point, they are not looking down on joy division nor saying they were not an incredible band. They were stating the fact that at the time in which Joy Division existed they were not celebrated as much as in todays society as we have a romantic outlook on stars after they have died, if you read into Joy Division they will say themselves at the time in which they existed they were not superstars nor did they have millions of pounds, they were normal day to day men who made incredible music and lived rather normal lives in comparison to todays 'stars'.
Morrissey was just 26 at the time of this interview…so talented!
I'll never get tried of Morrissey talking about how awful music videos are. Especially in this RUclips age we're in, where such low-brow content has quick and easy access. We all know shit like K-pop won't be popular if people actually cared about music instead of how pretty the boys and the videos are.
I think things like Kpop are loved for different reasons. If not for the music, people may watch for the aesthetic of it. That is the problem with with videos, though. The music simply support the video and adds to the aesthetic experience. I believe its art is visual, so I'm hesitant to call it *complete* shit...
Music today has changed. I don't think that young people fall in love with it anymore... most likely because there's no meaningful substance to trigger an emotional, rapt response. It's all about head bobbing and shoe tapping. It's very sad. Music has become less about art and more about money. The industry continues to give the cat water, because it's cheaper, and the cat drinks, for water is all it knows. If the cat had tasted milk, it would shock the cat's taste buds and kitty would never drink water again...
Steven Shorter actually cats are allergic to milk, odd i know but its bad for them, makes them sick and overweight!!!
He’s so serious here. But forward life to his November Spawned a Monster Video😘
aren't we a special little boy
He went on to make a lot of music videos as part of his solo career. Which I still find a bit strange, considering how passionate he sounds on the subject
Indeed, this interview was included in the program "Arsenal", but it was made by Catalonian Channel (TV3), not by Basque Television (ETB) [Catalonia is not the same as Basque Country, the same way Wales is not the same as Scotland]. Greetings from Spain! ;-)
Wales isn't Scotland?
@@squiremuldoon5462 you can take Cataluñia too if you want to ..
Spain, are you kidding?
@@kalilinux8454 no, he told a truth.
Hi mate! That program is from Catalonian TV! Thanks!!!
6:05
Moz - outspoken superfan of James Dean
Good interview. I like how honest they are. To say that your friends song isn't the greatest one they've made and you're on it, is pretty cool.
And still now I mourn The Smiths
I agree with Moz that videos are unconnected with the music - but then so are cover photos for record sleeves. Would Morrissey have been happy with all his 60s singles in plain / text-only sleeves? A video serves its purpose in pop culture.
tea!
Looking good fellas - Long live! xox
Johnny sounds like he's doing an imitation of Morrissey
Johnny was Stoned I think 😉
It s really awesome the way in how morrissey visualize the music
This is the second chanel of catalan tv, called 33 chanel. Subtitles are in catalan
re: obsessing over dead celebrities, I've always maintained people do it because suddenly the celebrity is no longer alive to get in their way of creating a perfect fantasy image, or to judge them for doing so, and so people then feel free to let their imaginations run rampant
people are far less threatening when they're dead.
WHY IS IT FAST FORWARDING?!
That's what I was thinking. Annoying.
Welcome to VHS
because Morrissey can manipulate *anything*
Yes. It’s annoying
Cuz' this thing it's edited as FUCK !
This is Catalan not Basque TV.
I reckon Johnny would cringe at this if he were to watch it back today.
why?
@@hannahg8439 Well, maybe his comment that "We are the only thought-provoking group that is around.." Really, John? He was young, though. He mentioned thought-provoking more than once.
Yeah but I cringe whenever I see the videos for the Messenger and Easy Money, despite loving the songs. Messenger especially, I have to look away when the video starts playing, or my body locks up like I'm being electrocuted by the cringe. So we can't be too sure about his judgment.
I think any of us would cringe at an interview of an early 20s self.
in some ways I'm terrified of Morrissey dying because then I fear my obsession will know no bounds
Long live Morrissey !
I feel the same way.
The early Morrissey reminds me of interviews of Bruce Lee. The cadence of his voice and the articulation are very similar.
bruce lee was one of his heroes so that makes sense
What Morrissey said about joy division and the doors was a little arrogant, but I see where he's coming from. Think about ppl like Marilyn Monroe and shit. If you're on that platform and you pass, especially when you're young or In your prime people regard you much differently
It's his opinion on their popularity. Arrogance would be comparing himself or themselves to those bands. He just commented on how he felt they were more popular for the scandal surrounding those bands at the time. Not arrogant at all. Just a fucking bloke who speaks his opinion (the whole premise of the fucking interview). I actually disagree with Morrissey though and think both the Doors and Joy Division are brilliant
Yeah I see what youre saying, i agree completely
Yeah I get what you are saying but I have to say , joy division were an incredible band and probably influenced the smiths a lot . I like Morrissey and I think he always spoke his mind which is fantastic but he’s totally wrong about joy division / the doors comments.. especially Ian Curtis who was just as thought provoking with his lyricisms if not a better poet than Morrissey ! :)
Catalan tv not Basque tv
it's not from Basque television, it's from Catalan television. In fact, the subtitles are in Catalan
Exactly!! Because life is truly a Shakespearean experience with mostly tragedy and the comedy side, is necessary if you ever are going to appreciate it and gain meaning. Xo
Johnny doing a little dance in the beginning killed me
Beautiful Gods.
Stop fucking fast-forwarding, put the full version on
Death is more fascinating than life.
it would be cool if they ALL united as page, morrissey, plant, and marr. only in my dreams..
This interview has been performed in Catalan Television not Basque!
How many times has Thomas Lennon watched this?
Marr looks like the ginger dude from the goofy movie in this
Obviously they weren't duran duran - but moz does do his best to underestimate the power of video, so strong & classic were his tunes, he must've felt they didn't even need videos! Of course he was only half- right ..
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He sees no worth in music video's, but I do
Morrissey talks so slow and deliberate. His underbite is very evident here but lisp not too pronounced here. I only hear it on his 's'
tf xd
He's simply choosing the right words. No need to rush your response.
v-town1980 If I’ve learned anything at the tender age of 22, it’s that most people either don’t care or simply lack the attention for carefully crafted communication.
Впервые вижу интервью морриси и только сейчас понял что он похож на Грег граффина🤗 особенно когда говорит..манера и мимика та же.
why the fast forward stuff?
Love the smiths , but joy division were equally as good if not better in my opinion ! Ian Curtis was a genius ..
They were way better and they knew it
i imagine johnny’s opinion on joy division has changed since then, obviously having formed electronic with bernard sumners & having matured. he was only 21 or 22 here and i feel like he was being slightly judgemental due to morrisey’s influence on him
it's catalan tv not basque
This piece is from TV3 Catalonia, not Basque TV
Light my fire went to number 1 and yes the doors had more hits then that. Moz got that very very wrong
this is why he said "I don't THINK they even had hit singles", he obviously wasn't sure about it
How could he not be sure about a group THAT successful having hit singles?
People bring this up alot but Morissey couldnt have really known about it. He hadnt much of a way of researching chart positions really.
@@v-town1980 cos he was just being bitchy. Typical morrissey, I'll always love the smiths but morrissey was always a bitchy queen.
Lol yeah did you see marr’s face when he said that?
Swans were a slap in the face for sure
It'the second channel of catalan tv ( Canal 33)' not the basque tv (ETB)
It's the Catalonian second channel, not the Basque
Well that was a bundle of laughs
This is Johnny Marr is being a bit of a jerk on a Catalonian TV channel, not a Basque one
Los Smiths en catalán. Lo más loco.
I think they both had a couple of lines before this interview haha
Smiths oh ❤
PAL to NTSC helped the transfer of this footage.
Marr's stoned af
Marr looking sharp in the
Basque? It's on a Catalonian channel (33) as well as the subtitles, which are in Catalonian language 🤔
do you think that morrissey still feels similarly about music videos? i think that they can be art forms in themselves, which doesn't mean they don't still change the way music is thought of.
agreed
No it wouldn't, it'd be awful. Like Jimmy Page and Robert Plant after Led Zeppelin
Basque? But the subtitles are in Catalan.
It is not Basque television. it is Catalan.
The shades
The Doors were great, I thought. "Light My Fire" was a hit single i think
Morrissey is such a diva ... its so sad
Both of you your opinion is to entertain the massive...
It's catalan TV not basque
This is no basque, the captions are in catalan.
what about james dean morrisey.
Joy division/ the Smiths both unique and from Manchester
That’s not Basque, it’s Catalan
"Who cared about the Doors?- I don't think they even had hit singles"
Whoa way off on this one...Ever hear of "Light My Fire"? Ever seen the footage of their European tours? Morrison arguably shined more as a poet on the Doors' first LP than Morrissey ever did. On the other hand Morrissey has succeeded in terms of longevity and more consistent quality.
They certainly both like the word "strange"
Poor Moz, Joy Division were a much more profound band
Troy jondavid54 has no taste.
Profound in what way exactly?
@@unearnedreservations Not profound, I think he means not pretentious as Morrissey
and honest . Also innovative and unique sounding for the time being to pioneer a genre as post punk.
That's Catalan not Basque. Basque looks nothing like Catalan.
I like the Smiths even more after seeing this. Always loved the music but intelligence and style (whether you agree or not) only adds to the musical talent. For me anyway.
Hopefully he realizes by now many groups overshadowed his style and music by far .
The band can’t hold a candle to the hippies .
Like holding a candle to the sun .
Joy divisions alone blows this bands sound to smith er eens
But the doors really shuts the door on this music and it has nothing to do with the demise of Jim .it is because the talent was so large those that listen know smiths are like kids at the schoolyard drawing with crayons 🖍
It's a shame the whole of interview wasnt fast forwarded.
Judgemental people really enjoy me and these two guys are prime offenders
No Hippie tosh for the Mozza🇬🇧✊👍🏴✊🎸🎤
Very interesting interview. No "Hippydom" in the Smiths, huh? What about all those flowers during the early years? They don't burp. It's funny how they were so against making music videos, and eventually did some horrible ones.... almost all of them!
The flowers had nothing to do with "hippydom," they were there to make the band look more effeminate which is what Morrissey/Marr both wanted. Fans would then take them to their live shows and throw them at the band. And they never made any videos...all of The Smiths' videos were made without their permission by a man called Derek Jarman, most likely because some greedy record company wanted to cash in on their popularity. I think Morrissey and Marr have both gone on record saying they thought they were crap!
Sergio Right, so if you're going to San Francisco, be sure to wear a _______ in your hair. Dude, "FLOWER Power"... The Smiths weren't aware they were being recorded on set while miming "the boy with a thorn in his side"? Is that right?
Sergio , how did they manage to make the videos without their permission when Morrissey actually appears in some of them?
The flowers were also Morrissey's homage paid to Wilde.
And in regards to the videos, in his solo career particularly, Morrissey claimed that he never cared about the videos. He gives someone the song and they interpret it and create the video. He's rarely involved. I think he just does what he's told. The record companies probably require them for publicity's sake.
@@osbournerudock8587 yeah...
I always wonder if it is necessary to be this full of yourself when you are young and in a band. Perhaps that's the driver ? Funny thing is there are bands that people who watched this video also love - yet all of them claimed to be the only interesting band with any substance at the time. Many of them hated each other. Notably Robert Smith v. Morrissey.
Here is what strikes me the most. They all claimed to be too good for TOTP - only to appear on that show anyway the moment they were invited. And I'm saying this as a fan (with 20 years distance now). The only true indie band by that standard is the Cocteau Twins, who turned down every TOTP invite cause they just could not get themselves to lip-sync to their own song. I give them huge credit for that - credit I cannot give to the other bands.
I'd say that Johnny became more modest over the years - Moz remains Moz :)
Clearly. Reality and the Truth regarding the JW owned / controled Music Industry can never be told. As Marr sitting here bidding a Thousand sectional secrets.
Jajajaj this isn't basque, it's catalan
Little snobs.
Judgemental people really annoy me
Man, these guys were really judgemental about other artists..
It's kinda disappointing 🖕🥴🖕
For the sake of competition and keeping relevance, I guess .
Their words doesn't take away anything from the Doors or Joy Division.
The Fall were good comp
Morrissey looks older than he is here. He's put on weight. He looks better in the video for Dagenham Dave.
So good that Morrissey became conservative as he matured.
@@angelicaryans8819 yes😊
"Matured" lmao
@@ur4913 If you are 18 and are a Conservative, you haven't got a heart.
If you reach 30 and aren't a Conservative, you haven't got a brain. X
Mozza Is A Brexit Freedom Fighter🇬🇧👍
The Doors sucked.
Joy Division did not.
Andy Saunders sucks
The Doors were great
The Smiths were good but Morrissey's solo stuff is samey shit that is basically the same song done sideways over way too many albums.
Ironically, perhaps, Moz looks like Hitler in this interview
Stop talking shite
I like reading all the letters Morrissey wrote in to rock mags slagging off the ineptitude and pathetic-ness of Sex Pistols
*going for the look to the cover of PILs 'Second Edition' album there **4:51*
Johnny is having the best time on the coke he’s snorted but I wonder if Morrissey didnt dabble this day? it’s odd, his speech is very strange and his rather forward comments like about the Doors (although not entirely wrong) are something you’d have the assurance to say while under the influence.
I don't think Morrissey has ever needed substances to speak his mind about anything.
What a stupid comment. You clearly know fuck all about moz and marr
*"You know who I am", he said ........"*