the idea that racism and racial 'prejudice' can be summed up to be about skin color is reductive beyond belief and is one of the most crippling things about contemporary thought on the subject.
Nobody discuss a solution on racism. Many people don't care about individual racism. It doesn't have a deep impact. However, we must identify the systematic racist groups. They are cancer to a society. We acknowledge and identify them publicly who they are and their agenda. The infuential public figures should announce against these thugs as well.
In the 21st century there aren't many 'systematic racist groups'. Most of the attention on the social media is generated by activists, that are grasping at shadows to gain influence
In a dog eat dog world where there's a perception that the other person doesn't always have your best interests at heart I don't know why it's a surprise that people are suspicious, and act accordingly, of people who don't speak your language and look different. That these people can't or won't assimilate to the host country doesn't sweeten the deal. Ask anybody who's ever been conquered. It's not personal per se.
@@colnixon8989 No, because it's MY country, MY ancestors tamed and built the land. THEY are the outside group, and they are NOT entitled to "acceptance" or "fairness". Go ahead, try pulling that entitled attitude off in somewhere like China, or Japan. See how you're treated.
@@colnixon8989 unironically yes. Human nature dictates decision making and people will always choose the outcome where you and your "tribe" always have the best outcome. Everyone else is secondary. Isn't that how we beat out all of the other species competing against us like neanderthals and homoerectus?
I found this interview interesting , I feel that Lex found it hard to discuss with Murray and Murray had a slight british educated defensive dont question me attitude i know it all. Well done Lex trying have an open conversation with a transfer of ideas and a conversation as opposed to a lecture that Murray perhaps being nervous had . was intresting to watch/listen
You notice Lex is really in the moment with his guests, when he looks like an improvisational jazz musician, like Stevie Wonder just jamming it out, eyes closed, feeling every single word he says without thinking it. RESPECT!
Lex, don't you think we need to define what race means as well?.........I ask because from a sociological perspective, it seems that Murray conflates ethnic conflict (typically based on cultural differences) with racial conflict (phenotypical/physical markers/difference)?......
@@markpgeorge race is not only identifiable by physical features, but also by bloodline. Jews were identified as having a different and specific bloodline, therefore they were identified as a race.
@@robto Robto, the sociological definition of race......in a nutshell, has to do with the social/cultural meanings that are attached to perceivable physical differences,......ethnicity has to do with the cultural practices and meanings of a given group of people.....sociologically and scientifically speaking, there is no biological (or "bloodline") basis of race.....in other words, racial groups (e.g. "white" and/or "black") are the social inventions of the 17th century, created to justify western European imperial agendas,....for example, ever wonder how Europeans who immigrated to the U.S. became "white" and stopped being English/Irish/Scotch?... Have a good day.............:)
The belief that people of different races are inferior is a convenient way of furthering the goals of who you perceive as you and yours, perhaps. I'm reluctant to believe racism's existence is primarily based upon stupidity. It looks equally, if not more so, due to a mix of fear and greed. I mean it takes a major sleight of your own hand to believe that someone of different physical features is at all less than, or for that matter, greater than yourself. Thus I feel if stupidity is involved, it is often that of the willful variety.
Have to correct his racism definition a little bit. Maybe because Murray and Lex are western so their experience mainly with racism happening in western world, but antisemitism is not the only racism where its based on racial hate on a race they think it is superior. There are actually similar racism happening in South East Asia against Chinese, where its so similar to antisemitism. Chinese is seen as superior race but hated. Its easy to see why. Its based on wealth disparity. Sooner or later Asian American will face the same racism, as we can see that there are lots of anti asian hate violence currently happening in America (which is ironically mainly done by black and hispanic people, other minorities), and Asian American has the highest average income in America.
I have asbergers...... named after hanz asberger (look it up). Im starting to come to terms with the fact autistic people are their own race, and the majority of neurological typical people i meet are racists 🤣. What a Bizarre time we live in.
I haven't done to much research because I find it deeply disturbing, but "hanz asberger" was a nazi who was in charge of sending autistic people to the gas chamber. In my opinion we are all brothers and sisters (children of the earth), but I also think a fundamental difference in the way a persons brain works is much more of a deviation than the color of skin. I raise rabbits, but they arnt different races just because they are different colors, but if one of them was the rabbit version of Nickolas tesla or Jesus, I would call that a new race🤣.
And to be fair.... I said "the majority of neurological typical people I meet" , but I live in a small isolated part of alaska. I meet alot of openly self described racist people here. Its not a secret.... these people are proud of that fact.
There are an infinite number of reasons since the beginning of time why somebody might think of someone else as inferior with race being just one of them but you'd never know it if you live in a country dominated by western media. Take it from a black man and one of America's greatest academics, Thomas Sowell who has for years exposed the manipulation of the world's belief about racism from the establishment/intelligentsia.
@@joshuareingold3466 im talking about laws that lock people up when they question certain coincidences in regards to the issues discussed in this video. I can not go into more detail because of those laws ironically, but im sure you understand exactly what im talking about, true chuzpah hours.
To be correct- this figure is overblown. Most of those "states" Jews had been kicked out were basically city-states in Europe. So, this 100+ number is not a big deal. For instance, you get kicked from Louisville, Kentucky & that counts as being booted from a country. Not a big deal.
@@joshuareingold3466 One can question the official narrative of 911, any war, the moon landing, any religion, even the c-scam, but if you question the official narrative of the holocaust you go to jail in 17 countries so it must be 100% true.
So you justify antisemitism in the same way it has been justified before, thereby continuing the same cycle.. great logic, Hitler would be proud of you.
who funded the allies and marxists is the question, who dominated London, Paris and New York while at the same time bringing the communists into power, and no, it wasnt "the germans"
Without a particular group having an imposing power dynamic over another group, then it isn’t racism it’s just prejudice or bigotry. Racism is about power. If someone believes you to be inferior that’s not enough, if someone believes you or your race/ethnicity to be inferior and wields power or authority over your well-being……racism
Jordan Petterson definition of Racism is attributing the negative attributes of a group to the person , i have been trying to define what is racism , its actions and is it perhaps part of the human DNA ie to protect the group from other groups, thus protecting the DNA to be passed on to the next generation and i still struggle to find and clearly understand this subject and why it has been around for thousands of years through all cultures. And what is race ? And if it is part of the DNA then it will be impossible to erradicate racism - I understand why a women will not walk past a man perhaps with hood at night but 99% of men are not rapist, i understand avoiding walking past a group of teenagers again with hoods but not all teenagers are knife wielding. These are not racist actions these are sterotyping based on a percieved threat. but then were does that percieved threat come from - gossip /media ? i hope that all makes sense as said i struggle with the lack of logic with this subject.
Within 125 years of technological progress on our current trajectory, the average baby will be genetically engineered to whatever specifications their parent(s) wants. Our role until then is to keep this train on the track. Whatever material "benefits" can be gained by acting on racist instincts today simply wouldn't be worth the risk and cost this close to the finish line. In light of that, racism today is the exercise of an aesthetic movement; it's an art project.
Murray is, I'm sorry to say, 2nd rate. There is not a canonical work on racism, but I would recommend a few great works on antisemitism, especially anthology edited by Albert Lindemann & a magnificent book by late author and journalist Walter Laqueur. Most other works (Wistrich etc.) are very flawed.
This interview is worthless. 1. racism is about race, i.e. different looks. One can harbor contempt & animosity to other groups which are racially the same- for instance, let's imagine, Danes for Slovaks. But this is only nationalism, not racism. 2. Murray doesn't distinguish between racial consciousness & racism. For instance, there is nothing wrong with Italian or Norwegian national consciousness which says-"it's we, and not you". Extreme nationalism or chauvinism is another thing. 3. as far as antisemitism (or, more precisely, anti-judaism)- Grossman's novel is a clear example of Jewish delusion & a lack of self-criticism: for Grossman, a Jew, Jews are always blameless & eternal victims for whom others somehow, without any reason, harbor suspicion & aversion. Another is Gregor von Rezzori, who wrote a novel about the mentality of antisemites, which is completely delusional & bogus. For Rezzori, Jews are morally superior beings whom others envy because of their success & all around superiority. A worthless &utterly tendentious novel. And, as far as "Life and Fate" goes, this is not a great novel. It is a sprawling old fashioned baggy monster which contains many great passages, but, overall is - a mess. All in all - a shallow & tendentious piece of interview.
@@urvanhroboatos8044 race affects so much of humans physically and cognitively, it runs far deeper than just the color of skin and the structure of your face
Lex really said, “quantum racism.” 😭
Maybe racism can quantum tunnel faster than light through barriers similar how UFO can.
The Sun is racist.
@@nickduplaga507 it prefers those with melanin smh cancel the sun
Morty you cant just put quantum in front of word and expect it to be a scifi word.
should have time stamped it. now curious
the idea that racism and racial 'prejudice' can be summed up to be about skin color is reductive beyond belief and is one of the most crippling things about contemporary thought on the subject.
@@AM-fh7ekwrong
Nobody discuss a solution on racism. Many people don't care about individual racism. It doesn't have a deep impact. However, we must identify the systematic racist groups. They are cancer to a society. We acknowledge and identify them publicly who they are and their agenda. The infuential public figures should announce against these thugs as well.
In the 21st century there aren't many 'systematic racist groups'. Most of the attention on the social media is generated by activists, that are grasping at shadows to gain influence
In a dog eat dog world where there's a perception that the other person doesn't always have your best interests at heart I don't know why it's a surprise that people are suspicious, and act accordingly, of people who don't speak your language and look different. That these people can't or won't assimilate to the host country doesn't sweeten the deal. Ask anybody who's ever been conquered. It's not personal per se.
Those same people you can't understand can't understand you either. Does that make you someone to be suspicious of?
@@colnixon8989 No, because it's MY country, MY ancestors tamed and built the land. THEY are the outside group, and they are NOT entitled to "acceptance" or "fairness". Go ahead, try pulling that entitled attitude off in somewhere like China, or Japan. See how you're treated.
@@colnixon8989 unironically yes.
Human nature dictates decision making and people will always choose the outcome where you and your "tribe" always have the best outcome.
Everyone else is secondary.
Isn't that how we beat out all of the other species competing against us like neanderthals and homoerectus?
@@colnixon8989 The answer to that is in my original comment. And it's not personal.
@@iwannabethekid34xc You don’t own anything
I found this interview interesting , I feel that Lex found it hard to discuss with Murray and Murray had a slight british educated defensive dont question me attitude i know it all.
Well done Lex trying have an open conversation with a transfer of ideas and a conversation as opposed to a lecture that Murray perhaps being nervous had . was intresting to watch/listen
You notice Lex is really in the moment with his guests, when he looks like an improvisational jazz musician, like Stevie Wonder just jamming it out, eyes closed, feeling every single word he says without thinking it. RESPECT!
Ah Douglas 'Mumblay'. Always a pleasure to listen to for ASMR purposes.
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Would Douglas also care to comment on “white privilege” and “white fragility” then?
Lex, don't you think we need to define what race means as well?.........I ask because from a sociological perspective, it seems that Murray conflates ethnic conflict (typically based on cultural differences) with racial conflict (phenotypical/physical markers/difference)?......
the ethnic and racial conflict has been mostly interchangeable from each other, therefore it is not erroneous for him to conflate the two aspects.
@@robto Not true robto, for example, can you identify everyone who identifies as Jewish by their physical features?
@@markpgeorge race is not only identifiable by physical features, but also by bloodline. Jews were identified as having a different and specific bloodline, therefore they were identified as a race.
@@robto Robto, the sociological definition of race......in a nutshell, has to do with the social/cultural meanings that are attached to perceivable physical differences,......ethnicity has to do with the cultural practices and meanings of a given group of people.....sociologically and scientifically speaking, there is no biological (or "bloodline") basis of race.....in other words, racial groups (e.g. "white" and/or "black") are the social inventions of the 17th century, created to justify western European imperial agendas,....for example, ever wonder how Europeans who immigrated to the U.S. became "white" and stopped being English/Irish/Scotch?... Have a good day.............:)
@@markpgeorge I'm not saying that race is real, I'm stating how race was/is perceived. You misunderstood my point.
Sometimes the masses just don’t want to understand a concept because they’re all quantum racists.
The comments on the clips for this particular interview are closer to 50/50 than almost any other kind of political interview I've ever seen.
The belief that people of different races are inferior is a convenient way of furthering the goals of who you perceive as you and yours, perhaps. I'm reluctant to believe racism's existence is primarily based upon stupidity. It looks equally, if not more so, due to a mix of fear and greed. I mean it takes a major sleight of your own hand to believe that someone of different physical features is at all less than, or for that matter, greater than yourself. Thus I feel if stupidity is involved, it is often that of the willful variety.
Glad the discussion is being had
When someone is buzzing and I try to find out who they are and what they really think, I ask Lex! Thanks
Have to correct his racism definition a little bit. Maybe because Murray and Lex are western so their experience mainly with racism happening in western world, but antisemitism is not the only racism where its based on racial hate on a race they think it is superior. There are actually similar racism happening in South East Asia against Chinese, where its so similar to antisemitism. Chinese is seen as superior race but hated. Its easy to see why. Its based on wealth disparity. Sooner or later Asian American will face the same racism, as we can see that there are lots of anti asian hate violence currently happening in America (which is ironically mainly done by black and hispanic people, other minorities), and Asian American has the highest average income in America.
I have asbergers...... named after hanz asberger (look it up). Im starting to come to terms with the fact autistic people are their own race, and the majority of neurological typical people i meet are racists 🤣. What a Bizarre time we live in.
I was wondering what your definition is of the word racism?
I haven't done to much research because I find it deeply disturbing, but "hanz asberger" was a nazi who was in charge of sending autistic people to the gas chamber. In my opinion we are all brothers and sisters (children of the earth), but I also think a fundamental difference in the way a persons brain works is much more of a deviation than the color of skin. I raise rabbits, but they arnt different races just because they are different colors, but if one of them was the rabbit version of Nickolas tesla or Jesus, I would call that a new race🤣.
And to be fair.... I said "the majority of neurological typical people I meet" , but I live in a small isolated part of alaska. I meet alot of openly self described racist people here. Its not a secret.... these people are proud of that fact.
Imagine by John Lennon could be the background music.
There are an infinite number of reasons since the beginning of time why somebody might think of someone else as inferior with race being just one of them but you'd never know it if you live in a country dominated by western media. Take it from a black man and one of America's greatest academics, Thomas Sowell who has for years exposed the manipulation of the world's belief about racism from the establishment/intelligentsia.
I'd like to agree or disagree with this gentleman but I can't understand him speaking, it's like he changes to a different language mid sentence
if youre getting kicked out of a bar 109 times, can you really blame others every. single.time. ?
@@joshuareingold3466 after 109 times, calling and enforcing laws to prohibit others questioning me seems like i have something to cover no ?
@@joshuareingold3466 im talking about laws that lock people up when they question certain coincidences in regards to the issues discussed in this video. I can not go into more detail because of those laws ironically, but im sure you understand exactly what im talking about, true chuzpah hours.
To be correct- this figure is overblown. Most of those "states" Jews had been kicked out were basically city-states in Europe. So, this 100+ number is not a big deal. For instance, you get kicked from Louisville, Kentucky & that counts as being booted from a country. Not a big deal.
@@joshuareingold3466 One can question the official narrative of 911, any war, the moon landing, any religion, even the c-scam, but if you question the official narrative of the holocaust you go to jail in 17 countries so it must be 100% true.
So you justify antisemitism in the same way it has been justified before, thereby continuing the same cycle.. great logic, Hitler would be proud of you.
Journey to the End of the Night by Louis Ferdinand Celine is the best novel of the 20th century. .
The Austrian painter is my favorite politician!
I think I get your point.
Who Funded Hitler and why?
mostly the warburg and rothchilds families
who funded the allies and marxists is the question, who dominated London, Paris and New York while at the same time bringing the communists into power, and no, it wasnt "the germans"
Blah blah, waffle jibberish..
Without a particular group having an imposing power dynamic over another group, then it isn’t racism it’s just prejudice or bigotry. Racism is about power. If someone believes you to be inferior that’s not enough, if someone believes you or your race/ethnicity to be inferior and wields power or authority over your well-being……racism
That's not true at all. Hitler was racist for his mindset. With our without power he would have still been racist
That’s a recently made up definition of racism. Congratulations on your indoctrination.
Racism is homoerotic. In some cases. Like some weird obsession/fascination. Some times
Jordan Petterson definition of Racism is attributing the negative attributes of a group to the person , i have been trying to define what is racism , its actions and is it perhaps part of the human DNA ie to protect the group from other groups, thus protecting the DNA to be passed on to the next generation and i still struggle to find and clearly understand this subject and why it has been around for thousands of years through all cultures. And what is race ? And if it is part of the DNA then it will be impossible to erradicate racism - I understand why a women will not walk past a man perhaps with hood at night but 99% of men are not rapist, i understand avoiding walking past a group of teenagers again with hoods but not all teenagers are knife wielding. These are not racist actions these are sterotyping based on a percieved threat. but then were does that percieved threat come from - gossip /media ? i hope that all makes sense as said i struggle with the lack of logic with this subject.
Do people here read anything serious on the topics addressed?
No
@@wrathofgrothendieck 😆 😅 😂 🤣
@@urvanhroboatos8044 lol, they don’t even watch the video, they read the headline and go straight to the comments
Why does Douglas Murray always mumble? It is hard to understand anything when he can seem to formulate a statement.
because he's a racist hack fraud?
Always? He looks worn out in this one. I'd guess he's doing the "rounds"
I mean obvs :P
Within 125 years of technological progress on our current trajectory, the average baby will be genetically engineered to whatever specifications their parent(s) wants. Our role until then is to keep this train on the track. Whatever material "benefits" can be gained by acting on racist instincts today simply wouldn't be worth the risk and cost this close to the finish line. In light of that, racism today is the exercise of an aesthetic movement; it's an art project.
Murray is, I'm sorry to say, 2nd rate. There is not a canonical work on racism, but I would recommend a few great works on antisemitism, especially anthology edited by Albert Lindemann & a magnificent book by late author and journalist Walter Laqueur. Most other works (Wistrich etc.) are very flawed.
This interview is worthless. 1. racism is about race, i.e. different looks. One can harbor contempt & animosity to other groups which are racially the same- for instance, let's imagine, Danes for Slovaks. But this is only nationalism, not racism. 2. Murray doesn't distinguish between racial consciousness & racism. For instance, there is nothing wrong with Italian or Norwegian national consciousness which says-"it's we, and not you". Extreme nationalism or chauvinism is another thing. 3. as far as antisemitism (or, more precisely, anti-judaism)- Grossman's novel is a clear example of Jewish delusion & a lack of self-criticism: for Grossman, a Jew, Jews are always blameless & eternal victims for whom others somehow, without any reason, harbor suspicion & aversion. Another is Gregor von Rezzori, who wrote a novel about the mentality of antisemites, which is completely delusional & bogus. For Rezzori, Jews are morally superior beings whom others envy because of their success & all around superiority. A worthless &utterly tendentious novel. And, as far as "Life and Fate" goes, this is not a great novel. It is a sprawling old fashioned baggy monster which contains many great passages, but, overall is - a mess. All in all - a shallow & tendentious piece of interview.
race is so much more than just the way that people look
@@Tidalx Race is at least 70% looks. Looks is basic, culture is important, but secondary.
@@urvanhroboatos8044 race affects so much of humans physically and cognitively, it runs far deeper than just the color of skin and the structure of your face
Y’all hilarious
lol
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Odd. A simpler definition is just not liking someone because of a race trait. What's all this inferior / superior baffle?
because that's just bigotry, bias, prejudice. or discrimination.
Wtf is a race trait. Bro let's not be delusional
@@ComptonsMostWanted a racial trait is a skin color, accent... you know, something specific to a race of people?
@@chuckleberryfinn1992 No, because races of people have perceived group traits. That's why we have something called a racial category.
@@rebornsmith7542 'racial category' . .. sounds, uh,. systemic?
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