Shorikai vs Brion vs Ephara vs Shigeki

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  • @quinoacowboy
    @quinoacowboy 2 года назад +108

    my god, those three unsuccessful attempts to cast Nev's Disk in one turn was BRUTAL to watch.

    • @Gaugoo8
      @Gaugoo8 2 года назад +1

      Agreed!

    • @shayneweyker
      @shayneweyker 2 года назад +12

      Watching Shigeki go off was the only thing that made this game entertaining.

    • @andrewb378
      @andrewb378 2 года назад +9

      "I'll cast a Nev's disk."
      "Nope."
      "Alright, I'll get it back from my graveyard and cast it again!"
      "Absolutely not."
      "Fine! I'll get it back from my graveyard *again* and cast it *again*!"
      "How many times do I have to teach you this lesson old man??"

    • @DarkEinherjar
      @DarkEinherjar 2 года назад +1

      That's what happens when you let someone draw four extra cards every rotation: they have all the answers.

  • @gypsieking3280
    @gypsieking3280 2 года назад +58

    Shigeki was trying to do the lord's work but just couldn't hold on.

  • @P4CCHU
    @P4CCHU 2 года назад +77

    That Shigeki deck was awesome! It's the first time I've seen him in action, and he performs WAY better than I thought when I first saw him

    • @ChunkMiwa
      @ChunkMiwa 2 года назад +1

      I really loved Shigeki too! Awesome deck tech right there.

    • @Chainer-he5zr
      @Chainer-he5zr 2 года назад

      Thai shigeki deck was awesome, but what is the wincon of this deck?

  • @zacharia4061
    @zacharia4061 2 года назад +34

    I watched for shigeki and it did not disappoint holly 5 mana disenchant never seemed so good when you got that much mana, and that recursion of the whole grave yard with his commander that also ramped him early game, just jolly fun

  • @CristianFernandez-dh2lf
    @CristianFernandez-dh2lf 2 года назад +10

    "While I continue to watch Shane plays with himself"

  • @nothingbutroaring8868
    @nothingbutroaring8868 2 года назад +63

    Dang, not sure I've ever seen you so salty! Definitely seemed like a doubly-frustrating game, between the mana screw and the U/W lockdown. Was at least fun to watch, holding onto hope that SOMEONE would manage to break that loop.

    • @astonrichardson5288
      @astonrichardson5288 2 года назад +3

      Sadly playing against that kind of deck can be really grindy and so tedious that you end up conceding out of sheer boredom

    • @Gaugoo8
      @Gaugoo8 2 года назад +6

      Oof...the salt is real on this one, but I cant say I wouldnt be salty too. I was yelling at the phone when Shane pulled out that BS Fierce Guardianship to nuke Nevinryyals disk for the 5th time.

    • @Allaryc
      @Allaryc 2 года назад +2

      He screwed himself multiple times. At least 2 turns of copter loot were missed. And minimum two turn of loot with shorikai when he just sat there paying the tithe and refusing to play.

    • @swrodgon
      @swrodgon 2 года назад

      Agreed, for being a so called vehicle beatdown deck, I’ve never seen it so that in any of the vids. He needs to be more aggro with it if that’s what it truly is and isn’t a combo deck (which is what I’ve seen it play as normally). Maybe get in a few games with Krenko to get that aggro edge back into your gameplay.

  • @fallen5771
    @fallen5771 2 года назад +9

    Need more shigeki! That was fun to see. The salt was real and understandable. No lands then having to deal with that loop.

  • @DylanBU41
    @DylanBU41 2 года назад +10

    Came for shigeki, happy with shigeki. That deck shouldn't be changed even after the counterspell machine that was the other deck... that's just an insane luck of the draw there and tbf you made 3 counters get focused on you. A feat in itself.

  • @BalefulStr1x
    @BalefulStr1x 2 года назад +21

    Take a shot of water every time Andrew says Yorion - you’ll be very hydrated

  • @DarkEinherjar
    @DarkEinherjar 2 года назад +19

    I once had plans of building Ephara with those blinking shenanigans... it played just as I expected here, with Shane drawing four extra cards every rotation.

    • @Devilish420
      @Devilish420 2 года назад

      I may get Ephara as one of the 99 in my aminatou deck just because i flicker a lot of things in that deck too.

    • @DarkEinherjar
      @DarkEinherjar 2 года назад +1

      @@Devilish420 I had Ephara in my own Shorikai deck to draw an extra card off its activation. 😁

    • @Devilish420
      @Devilish420 2 года назад

      @@DarkEinherjar That's real good right there. In my aminatou deck, I usually get my draw off of flickering creatures with card draw etb's and planeswalkers that can draw you a card off a loyalty ability like teferi, hero of dominaria.

    • @afspeellijstnaruto
      @afspeellijstnaruto 2 года назад

      @@Devilish420 yeah same. My aminatou deck is actually in dire need of a decent upgrade.

    • @Devilish420
      @Devilish420 2 года назад

      @@afspeellijstnaruto do you have a decklist? I'm curious to see whats all in your deck.

  • @danpasquale1620
    @danpasquale1620 2 года назад +6

    Azorious control decks when they have access to 7+ mana can be brutal to play against. However, that Ephara deck was well put together goes to show why it's always a good thing to have a commander that can also initiate a card draw engine. Love the channel thanks for always blasting out gameplay!

  • @Cookiemunster779
    @Cookiemunster779 2 года назад +18

    Yeah this is one of those weird decks that almost feels like it’s crossing a line to not being really casual when everyone is prevented from playing the game at all. Even though nothing the deck is running is necessarily broken or actually unfair.

    • @sunflowertheog
      @sunflowertheog 2 года назад +6

      i don't inherently think a lot of blue interaction is awful aslong as it's like "your boardwipe is countered" or "no vorinclex" but yeah when you cast a spell for turn and mr counterspell says "ummmmm... lemme think" it gets so fucking annoying lmao
      also this may just be me, no mean to offend anyone, but i fucking can't stand blink decks. as soon as they get their wheels spinning it's people saying the same thing turn after turn only gaining advantage and you're hoping there's an end in sight

    • @afspeellijstnaruto
      @afspeellijstnaruto 2 года назад

      @@sunflowertheog Yup exactly that. And when it's azorius, big chance 80% of that color combo tends to run the same sh*t when it focusses on blink. This was simply the same thing a brago deck does.

    • @sunflowertheog
      @sunflowertheog 2 года назад

      @@afspeellijstnaruto as soon as i see an etb permanent on turn 3 i'm like "damn how many times is that gonna be said again this game"

    • @mikemoyer8162
      @mikemoyer8162 2 года назад

      I'm not against a prison/stax deck like this, but the power level of that deck seemed well above the rest of the table. I could be wrong and it was just this game and draw, but it sure felt that way.

  • @mcmc9176
    @mcmc9176 2 года назад +2

    Actively unenjoyable to watch, hopefully future games will be more fun. Will say Ben's deck was cool

  • @Devilish420
    @Devilish420 2 года назад +4

    Yea that's why most flicker decks get hated on by a good amount of people. My old playgroup hated my aminatou deck because I had creatures with nasty ETB effects like Lavinia of the tenth and agent of treachery, and I always had a bunch of treasures since I have artifacts like bucknard's everful purse, treasure chest (it's a artifact from one of the D&D crossover sets that have different effects when you roll a d20), and of course smothering tithe. My two main win cons are approach of the second sun and the Magister sphinx/Wound Reflection combo. People hated how I always had ways of flickering lavinia to keep their stuff detained lol.

    • @dustinpalmer
      @dustinpalmer 2 года назад

      My Aminatou deck is very similar

  • @jajahatman8842
    @jajahatman8842 2 года назад +6

    2:18 worried he was gonna be an upfront land player there lol

    • @zacharia4061
      @zacharia4061 2 года назад +2

      Me too, I was watching for his deck and almost left before seeing him fix it.

    • @fallen5771
      @fallen5771 2 года назад +1

      haha same.

  • @mikemoyer8162
    @mikemoyer8162 2 года назад +1

    That vandalblast right when you started drawing lands really made me feel for you.
    While I love those prison/stax style decks, I never played mine often cuz people get understandably upset, plus that power level seems quite a bit above the rest of the table. Maybe I'm wrong and it just played out that way.
    I want to see more of Shigeki! He had some really cool loops going!

    • @swrodgon
      @swrodgon 2 года назад +1

      Agreed. For all the calls of “run more interaction” to beat them, the fact is that sometimes no one ever draws into it, unless you’re at cedh levels your deck isn’t going to be mostly interaction that you can draw, and it doesn’t matter when azorius stax sucks the life out of everything and hides behind a million counterspells like a bitch.

    • @mikemoyer8162
      @mikemoyer8162 2 года назад

      @@swrodgon lol, "like a bitch" yeah, run Nekusar wheely stax like a man!

  • @jacobwettstein5496
    @jacobwettstein5496 2 года назад +2

    Im not sure if this has been pointed out yet, but on that activation of Shigeki's first ability at the beginning, the other 3 cards from the top of the library seemingly disappeared, and they are supposed to go to the grave.

  • @altromonte15
    @altromonte15 2 года назад +6

    You drew like 10 cards without seeing a single land, brutal

  • @noxington4260
    @noxington4260 2 года назад

    This video made my take apart my Brago deck. This was a brutal game to watch

  • @lawfullyblind8403
    @lawfullyblind8403 2 года назад +1

    As a fellow shorikai player i felt that in my soul it is so rough when you get mana screwed

  • @iamthefinal5934
    @iamthefinal5934 2 года назад +3

    That Shigeki deck was amazing. Is there a list anywhere? I would love to play it

  • @Kelsonar
    @Kelsonar 2 года назад +1

    That Shigeki deck seemed really neat

  • @TheGFFA
    @TheGFFA 2 года назад +1

    "Like 700 counterspells." 💀

  • @AidanWR
    @AidanWR 2 года назад

    11:32 I like that you paid for the tither trigger when it was no longer on the board

  • @Onattamato
    @Onattamato 2 года назад +1

    Yikes this game was brutal to watch, I can't imagine how rough it was playing.

  • @Lykrast
    @Lykrast 2 года назад +1

    I too want to know what that Shigeki deck was doing, but it sure was a lot of lands

  • @drunkgerbil9962
    @drunkgerbil9962 2 года назад +1

    Thats when you ask Shane to leave.

  • @FuegoRedux
    @FuegoRedux 2 года назад

    I recently rebuilt my Ephara deck. I don't play it often as it gets a similar amount of salt . It has been sent into the bin of decks that come out when someone else is playing something equally annoying. Alongside superfriends Jhoira and Tergrid.

  • @charlesmaillho367
    @charlesmaillho367 2 года назад +2

    This was a feels bad game for everyone but Shane. Dude brings a finely tuned Ephara deck to a table where its mostly casual.

  • @Irydion
    @Irydion 2 года назад +2

    First time I see Andrew being so salty with his commentary :o
    That's understandable though, Shane's deck was nasty. I think I would have hated playing against that...

  • @quinoacowboy
    @quinoacowboy 2 года назад +1

    If Ben or anyone else running Shigeki reads this: I just looked at his decklist and cannot for the life of me see how the deck wins.
    Is it just waiting for massive mana + Kamahl to animate lands and pump them like crazy?
    I'd really like some insight because it seems like a cool commander!

    • @orgazmo686971
      @orgazmo686971 2 года назад

      It seems like a fog till Kamahl deck. It doesn't do much otherwise, and lacks card draw. Seems pretty low power.

    • @tpgaming2362
      @tpgaming2362 2 года назад +1

      That’s the only win condition I can see is Kamahl

    • @Efrtheropt
      @Efrtheropt 2 года назад +2

      It can win by kamahling all your opponent's lands and casting Ezuri's Predation to kill them all. Alternatively it can go infinite with Early Harvest, Shigeki, and Regrowth. Or just kozilek beats i guess. Though really you don't need a specific "win-con" if you can just make it so nobody can ever stick permanents in play (by casting All is Dust or Disking etc. every turn). Sometimes you can win by decking people too.
      Never really felt short on card draw since Shigeki is basically repeatable Praetor's Council. Deck is stronger than it looks on paper, Ephara is just tough to stop once it gets going.

  • @mitchp3243
    @mitchp3243 2 года назад

    Love me some shigeki, I'll be watching this one again. Was he running gaeas herald or the leyline in that deck?

  • @afspeellijstnaruto
    @afspeellijstnaruto 2 года назад +1

    Blink decks almost always tend to just play solitair. No matter who the commander is.

  • @DarkEinherjar
    @DarkEinherjar 2 года назад +3

    When I had my Shorikai, I never kept a hand that couldn't ramp or get into the value 4 to cast it on its own. Did you mulligan a lot or something?

    • @MTGMuddstah
      @MTGMuddstah  2 года назад +2

      I did.

    • @Devilish420
      @Devilish420 2 года назад

      @@MTGMuddstah oof. I know how that goes.

    • @DarkEinherjar
      @DarkEinherjar 2 года назад

      @@MTGMuddstah I know that feel 😢
      The EDH deck when you build it:
      -36-38 lands
      -4-5 mana rocks/dorks
      -56-59 other cards
      The EDH deck when you need to draw gas:
      -90 lands
      -8 mana rocks/dorks
      -1 other card (which is not the card you actually need)
      The EDH deck when you need mana:
      -1 land
      -1 mana rock/dork
      -97 other cards (none of which you can cast)

  • @brianhuang2052
    @brianhuang2052 Год назад

    Thanks!

  • @MultrakSin
    @MultrakSin 2 года назад

    Ephara do sucks to play against but now try that but with Yorion at the helm, I have a deck like that and I feel bad everytime I play it because as soon as my board is set up it's impossible to be beaten and it does everything every turn, truly a sight to not want to be in.

  • @sofer2230
    @sofer2230 2 года назад

    This game was absolutely inshane.

  • @Random27790
    @Random27790 2 года назад +1

    I have a similar Ephara deck. One of the few ways you can play control in multiplayer.

  • @kylemcelhattan6253
    @kylemcelhattan6253 2 года назад

    Trying to do the kickstarter and get the infernal darkness playmat, your video said its going through november 18, but on their oma store it says it ended october 18? Am i missing something? Sorry this is my first kickstarter im trying to do

    • @MTGMuddstah
      @MTGMuddstah  2 года назад

      Hi Kyle,
      Yes sorry! I didn't realize I'd miss spoken in the promotion. Someone else pointed it out in a later video and I updated it, but these few still have the old promo. I will try and speak to Original Magic Art on your behalf to see if they have some still available.

  • @lokumo13
    @lokumo13 2 года назад

    That Ephara deck somewhat reminded me of my Brago build.

    • @afspeellijstnaruto
      @afspeellijstnaruto 2 года назад +1

      I gues because it tends to run the same stuff.....? Not trying to be nasty or anything, but blink denks often kind of use the same stuff.

    • @lokumo13
      @lokumo13 2 года назад +1

      @@afspeellijstnaruto oh yeah, 100%. Which is why I commented what I commented lol.

  • @yingyangman11
    @yingyangman11 2 года назад +2

    Is there a reason Ben couldn't use the Spike Weaver to fog combat so he didn't die?

    • @wesleyepperson2821
      @wesleyepperson2821 2 года назад +3

      Lavinia etb detain ability

    • @orgazmo686971
      @orgazmo686971 2 года назад

      Lavinia didn't ETB that turn. It wasn't detained.

    • @wesleyepperson2821
      @wesleyepperson2821 2 года назад +1

      @@orgazmo686971 maybe the player thought it was or maybe he was tired of being the only one able to anything since everyone else was soft locked and mana screwed.

    • @swrodgon
      @swrodgon 2 года назад

      Let’s be honest, it probably would’ve gotten countered somehow at that point.

  • @judahlindenberg7531
    @judahlindenberg7531 2 года назад +1

    I love Shorikai. But since your version is quite unlucky, would advise to try a different version. See my comments from your previous Shorikai outing. My suggestion is a bit selfish, because I'm hoping to learn from you how to better my own Shorikai (tap/untap) deck.

  • @gael_le_cruel
    @gael_le_cruel 2 года назад +3

    Ben couldn't fog this last attack ? I must have missed something . Was he also just tilted and glad to stop playing that game ?

    • @gypsieking3280
      @gypsieking3280 2 года назад +1

      Yea, I wondered that too. The weaver had two counters right?

    • @wesleyepperson2821
      @wesleyepperson2821 2 года назад +2

      Lavinia etb detain ability

    • @orgazmo686971
      @orgazmo686971 2 года назад +1

      @@wesleyepperson2821 Lavinia didn't ETB that turn. It wasn't detained.

  • @gregnanni4409
    @gregnanni4409 2 года назад +3

    Wow this looks like the textbook definition of a miserable edh game to be in.

  • @royalfishness1
    @royalfishness1 2 года назад +1

    Built a blink deck, played it once, took it apart and never wanted to touch blink again. Its so boring for the piolet and the opponents

    • @swrodgon
      @swrodgon 2 года назад

      Yeah I mean some blink for value is ok, but one whose sole aim is to blink every possible chance? Bleh

  • @zurzoth4300
    @zurzoth4300 2 года назад

    I know this is super late to comment but does anyone have the shigeki list? I see the tapped out hyperlink but I’m seeing a lot of disconnects like not seeing the disk etc

  • @orgazmo686971
    @orgazmo686971 2 года назад +1

    Why did Ben die? He still had Spike Weaver in play.

  • @Millus1987
    @Millus1987 2 года назад

    That monogreen decks looks very sweet.
    You really shouldn't have paid the tax and just cast shorikai.

    • @DarkEinherjar
      @DarkEinherjar 2 года назад

      Lavinia was locking down everything that cost 4 or less. Shorikai was useless.

  • @coyoten8897
    @coyoten8897 2 года назад

    lov to see shigeki

  • @BelieMyBurial
    @BelieMyBurial 2 года назад +7

    unbearable Ephara build aside, that Shigeki deck was sweet.

  • @P4CCHU
    @P4CCHU 2 года назад +2

    Wow, I missed being this early

  • @bluedog4248
    @bluedog4248 2 года назад

    I do not know why Kris chose to overload a vandalblast.
    It didn't help anyone, and blew up the only answer to yorion deck
    As well as this, this is a perfect example of why I hate free counter magic.

  • @dillondunn2670
    @dillondunn2670 2 года назад

    Three counters on turn 9 he was pissed 🤣

  • @matteobagni1235
    @matteobagni1235 2 года назад +1

    Bring on some greasefang 40k! I can provide my pof list

  • @fevereddreams3805
    @fevereddreams3805 2 года назад

    700 counterspells!!! i died 🤣

  • @DrFrogman
    @DrFrogman 2 года назад

    Who doesnt love some boring old UW flicker control? It feels like such a waste of time playing those games since you basically know whats gonna Happen from turn three on, good on you for playing threw it. The mana screw on top is just the topping on the cake
    Thanks for the awesome content

  • @jmcastro8621
    @jmcastro8621 2 года назад +2

    I don't think it's fair to hate on the Ephara deck so much. I mean the deck is very well put together and Shane's plays were tight and efficient. Gotta be honest, wheni saw that Yorion hit the field with the flickerwisp, i knew the game was pretty much locked down.
    I play Shorikai too with more of a control/boardwipe theme. It gets so much hate but it's fun to try and squeeze out a win when there's 3 opponents trying to stop you.

    • @mistermastermind528
      @mistermastermind528 Год назад

      I was wondering why people hated on it. Another Ephara deck from this channel 3 years ago piloted by Dom was well-received (the one with the Saltskitter skittering the entire game). I wonder if there is a lot of difference from how that deck is played.

  • @wolfair
    @wolfair 2 года назад

    so what did you pay 2 for on 11:30? Tithe was blown up. and you had enough mana to at least try and cast Shorikai with 1 mana left to activate it.
    kinda wierd.

  • @fractalsloth
    @fractalsloth 2 года назад

    why did disk go to the graveyard? the ability was countered the card wasnt destroyed

    • @seb4856
      @seb4856 2 года назад +1

      Vandalblast

  • @maxbodifee3263
    @maxbodifee3263 2 года назад

    So why did you edit this into a video? You must have a ton of fun games to edit - and watch ;)

    • @MTGMuddstah
      @MTGMuddstah  2 года назад

      Because Shane's deck really popped off.

  • @newtpondskipper
    @newtpondskipper 2 года назад

    Loved watching Shane's deck, I know it was frustrating but after seeing so many Simic land fall/ramp decks lately it's a breathe of fresh air.

  • @dcrow9650
    @dcrow9650 2 года назад +5

    God, I fucking hate Azorius for this reason. I understand people find this funny and others don't mind playing against it, but I personally find rather boring those kinds of decks that go: "Yeah, I'm going to play alone, and you can't do anything.".

    • @Devilish420
      @Devilish420 2 года назад

      My old playgroup had that same level of hatred for stax decks, which my best deck happens to be a Esper stax and life drain deck. They started playing more prosper decks because one stopped my nekusar deck from doing anything on turn 2 so they thought that the same thing would happen with this deck, oh how wrong they were. They got infinite life looped on turn 4 because i had a turn 4 bolas's citadel because i got a turn 1 sol ring into arcane signet, into turn 2 kambal, turn 3 played a rhystic study, then on turn 4 drew into the citadel, played my dark ritual into the citadel and proceeded to hit all my winning pieces and a mind's dilation, one of the opponents waited till the end step to try and blow up the exquisite blood with nature's claim cause that and sanguine bond were out but on the cast mind's dialtion and kambal triggers so i had the dilation go 1st and sure enough i hit a counterspell from the top of his library and use his own counterspell to counter his own nature's claim, then kambal triggered and everyone died. After that game, everyone was salty but me lol

    • @drsherifff
      @drsherifff 2 года назад

      @@Devilish420 this is why everyone hates flicker

  • @oakmountain2788
    @oakmountain2788 2 года назад

    Love the channel - did not enjoy watching the Ephara deck - kinda felt against the spirit of why I come to watch your shows. Let others play the game, not a fan -
    Keep up the great content tho Andrew!
    P.S Shigeki was going wild!

  • @michaelmichael1663
    @michaelmichael1663 2 года назад

    the way you say Yorion though..why?

  • @jeremymcelroy5851
    @jeremymcelroy5851 2 года назад +3

    lets agree to ban decks that only play with themselves
    it was painful to watch

  • @swrodgon
    @swrodgon 2 года назад

    Kinda sickening to see nevinyrral’s disk countered 3 times in a row. Azorius colors are definitely the fun sapping combo.
    I also don’t get how you consider your shorikai deck a beatdown with vehicles one, not only do you rarely play them in most games I’ve seen it played, but the times you did win were through combos and not vehicles. Heck you rarely even cast shorikai in games even when you have the mana open, if you really are an aggro deck and not just boring azorius denial, use it to beat stuff down or do something besides draw and pass lol. Jmi, be more aggressive with it.

  • @tethler
    @tethler 2 года назад

    What is the purpose of everyone sleeving their commander in a color different from their deck?

    • @swrodgon
      @swrodgon 2 года назад +1

      Almost guaranteed unless you have some specific crazy niche reason, it never gets shuffled into the deck during gameplay, so it helps it stand out and if you do accidentally shuffle it in post game, you can take it out easily without wasting a few minutes riffling through your 100 card deck.

    • @tethler
      @tethler 2 года назад

      @@swrodgon That makes sense, hadn't considered that.

  • @nikos731
    @nikos731 2 года назад

    I honestly stopped watching after 5:00, when Flickerwisp entered play. I had a Yorion deck for a little while and I know what a pain it can be for the table to wath the flicker player doing stuff every turn. It makes the flicker player taking about 80% of the playing time in the table and this not fun for anyone.

  • @TK-zd7ym
    @TK-zd7ym 2 года назад

    Blink decks are so cancerous to play against.

  • @davidhaun4802
    @davidhaun4802 2 года назад

    blue control. not fun to play or watch.