Urthemiel {Lore - Spoilers All}
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
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If the giant male dragon god demands that you depict him as a beautiful human woman, are you going to argue with him?
Well the archdemons have wings, so that means that their dragon vessel is female. So it’s male god in a female vessel
He's JUST A SWEET TRANSVESTITE!!!
Gamer dragon
@@isaiahvaldez3330 new lore
I’ve always found it so funny that the entire Dragon Age saga pretty much only started because The Architect messed up.
I mean the without him the fifth blight wouldn’t have happened
the Warden would never have become a grey warden.
Cailen wouldn’t have died fighting darkspawn.
The Hawke family would never have fled to Kirkwall.
Anders probably wouldn’t have blown up the chantry as he probably wouldn’t become a grey warden and gone to Kirkwall
The mage rebellion wouldn’t have happened (at least not like it did)
The divine wouldn’t have called the conclave as there would be no need.
With no Hawke in Kirkwall corypheus would probably still be imprisoned
The inquisition would never have been founded
The herald wouldn’t have got the mark
All because the architect did an oopsie
This comment it's underated
Killing him well Justice was right ty for the comment
Kinda funny that he's called the Architect then since his actions constructed and designed the game series lmao.
@@bvdskies9998 that.. that hits hard
go back far enough and you could say that he did an oopsie and made the darkspawn when he busted into the fade
Maybe the elven god Urthemiel was bound to was Ghilan'nain? Halla are very pretty and she's the only one of the elven gods to actually be physically described and the codex does say she's supposedly beautiful.
I believe that the elven god Urthemiel was Ghilan'nain.
*Sees theres a new Ghil Dirthalen* OMG yesss its been so long i gotta let my husband know!!! lol i get way to existed about her vids!
So Keran is half dragon basically. Yeah, Morrgian is going to have a rough time when he’s a teenager
don't forget about the warden
@Legendary Vocalists she did
we were just joking
@Legendary Vocalists I think so. It’s Flemith thought, so she probably put a spell that dampens his powers
If he was worshiped by musicians then is it fitting if I defeated him as a bard?
Certainly a poetic justice
Its what he would’ve wanted
My favourite dialogue option in awakening from the warden when The Mother tells you The Architect awoke Urthemial; “Do you even think about the consequences of your actions?!”
Sums it up
I would LOVE a video on the architect!! I know you’re so busy nowadays but maybe put it on the list 😄 (also if you have one on him, I’m sorry I looked through your videos but could have missed it!)
So hear me out, you guys know how solas says that the evanuris did something essentially unspeakable to mythal through betrayal? What if they divided, or perhaps shattered, her spirit & then scattered it to the wind, not expecting those parts of her to find "vessels", (the old gods & flemeth), or deliberately put those pieces into the old gods to keep her from being whole? Either to keep her power for themselves or because she was their biggest obstacle in whatever scheme they had with "the void"? (Which, I think, is linked somehow to red lyrim in some way, shape or form by maybe tainting 1 titan that then spread it to the rest. But that's a bit of a shot in the dark mayhaps)
So are there "5th blight truthers" in Thedas kinda like "911 truthers" IRL?
something something vir atishan architect wants peace fifth blight had the least casualties and resolved the quickest… my tinfoil hat is on, even it’s just for the poetic coincidences that make me think sylaise and urthemiel are linked.
and why’s bellitanus’ hair look like that one symbol on the “tambourine” promos for DAD?
love the food for thought that comes from you laying down evidence that we know of so far in your videos, caitie! essential grounding while developing theories lol
I’ve had a thought about the connection between the Elven gods and the old gods. The old gods are bound in underground prisons right? Fen’Harel trapped the Elven gods in the heavens and the FORGOTTEN ONES down below. What if the Old Gods are actually the Forgotten ones?
I got the impression, though it might be pure speculation, that Flemeth sends the spirit of Mythal through the Eluvian to Morrigan (or the inky) and the power that Solas takes from Flemeth, is the Old God soul. Thus Mythal survives (although her incarnation as Flemeth, does not) and Solas gains a god soul, powerful enough to become what he once was.
This would make some sense as Kate Mulgrew, had stated she didnt want to return for another appearance in Dragon Age again, but Mythal can continue as a character, without Kate Mulgrews Flemeth.
Flemeth said that the desire to save the old magic that drives Morrigan is because she taught her that way. Perhaps Flemeth tries to save Urthemiel in some way as well
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Flemeth had done something with the old soul and then we see a flash back of what happened in the next game.
Urthemiel approves your cake
I do love that the Old Gods got thrown underground then revived by the Darkspawn as Blighted Gods
That may be all you know, but it's still a LOT more than I knew! Thank you!
I really do think that Mythal/Flemeth did something with the old god soul shortly after she took it from Kieran. She has always been one smart cookie who has been betrayed time and time again with the first being when the other old gods betrayed and killed her the first time and then most recently when Solas betrayed her at the end of inquisition after slaying Coryepheus. I think that she knew he would pull something and did something with it so that when he did what he did, he took something from her. So that whenever she reforms she could go back and take back the soul for her own.
She is no longer naive and too trusting like before when she was just Mythal or whenever she was just Flemeth when Cornobar betrayed her after he killed her beloved bard and banished her to the tower.
When she told Morrigan that she is coming back for a reckoning she more than means it. She is not cold and heartless and would not deprive her mother of her child, in her own way she does love Morrigan too much for that. Morrigan is very much apart of her, she is the Flemeth daughter that broke the mold and her cycle and got away and even she too betrayed Flemeth by more or less defying her she did not harm her like all else. Therefore Flemeth has more respect and love for her and like when they battled the Templars in the Wilds, she would use Morrigan but at the same time she would protect Morrigan while she devoured them and shielded her from the brutality that she had unleashed upon them.
She cares way too much for Morrigan and Kieran to break them up. The old god soul was the fair trade so she wouldn’t break them up.
I also think that she saved Kieran so that he himself could no longer heed the call of the dark spawn and bring forth another blight as a reborn Urimeal, who would had been pissed. And now Kieran can be a young lad no longer bound and tied to an arch demon fate.
I love this channel SO much, it’s great to find such a high quality dragon age lore videos! bought to start my millionth play through since I just finished Tevinter Nights and I’m in a DA mood. Binge watching all your videos while I play. Enough the odd ad cents coming your way hahah.
I always wondered what real dragons thought about old gods,since they take there shap I would find that insulting
If an almighty being, revered by many and probably far more powerful than myself, wished to take my form?
I'd be honoured.
Well, imitation IS the sincerest form of plagiarism... ;p
Ya when you put it that way and i guess they weren't always evil like umbrella corporation evil
Well we know dragons stay away from blighted beings.
Just think, everyone's Human Noble Queen gets to be the girl who's name is honored in the constellation of the dragon god slew in a blood-soaked climactic battle atop a burning tower. Isn't it so romantic?
Personally my favorite option is to make Old God Baby lol. I just find it to make the world more interesting
Most videos: oh shit! My phones upside down
Gilinan fade intros: i...uhh...I dunno
With the world going to shit, I need some Dragon Age lore. Thanks Ghil.
Ever since Tevinter Nights came out, a deep chasm has opened up in my soul and I've been ravenous for DA content... I should get out more.
Crazy theory: Has been collecting the souls of the old gods (those he could manage to get, anyway) and is planing something with them. Either using their power to tear the veil or maybe bringing them back or something...
I don't think the writers know what to do with the Old God Soul.
In Inquisition Morrigan don't seems to have plans for that. So, we can Just assume that her ritual was only to help the wardens (and maybe for curiosity). No big secret plan (as I tought when played DAO).
And Flameth may have took It only to free her grandson. I don't think Solas have It (since that post credit scene happens anyway). He may have took her "soul" (or whatever was in that pendant in DA2).
i agree in origins Morrigan had some plan for the soul a plan sooo important as to leave your warden behind also she says that she will raise the child apart from the rest of society
all of that seems to be out of the window in DAI
i really feel that DAO has a direction that the rest of the series had changed
@@voidofastora6032 as far as I am aware of, the original writers left, so yeah. That's why the tone of the first game is rather unique in comparison to the other games. The OGS thing, it does seem like they really didn't want to work with it. By having flemeth removing the soul from the kid no matter what (or the kid not existing), or Morrigan changing her mind about her original plan, now they can do whatever they want with it regardless of former choices. Heck, even the flemeth/morrigan plot has some weird holes on it. But its bioware after all. I just hope they can deliver a proper DA4 game instead of pulling a mass effect "dark energy original idea dismissed for some bs rushed final game" kind of thing
@@hojosconsal9913 what really bothers me about the flemeth thing in origins flemeth was terrifying she looked like a normal old women but there was something off about her and she never spoke to you in coherent tone always cryptic it felt like shes some eldritch horror out of this world and she really was not good in origins she abused her daughter and told her love and being good to people is a weakness and shes gone as far as to use Morrigan's ultimate weakness against her she tried to plant seeds of doubt within you when you go back to kill her by telling you do you really trust Morrigan while in DAI all of this is gone and she was an abomination all along and shes happy that Morrigan loves her son Whatttttt
I wonder if having the old god soul or not will affect Flemeth and/or Solas’ fate.... I hope it does, it’s something they could very easily ignore
One thing has always gotten me with Kieran and Urthemiel, and its itches me quite a bit. Call it a pet peeve. But the soul of Urthemiel went into Kieran long before he was born, and therefore had a soul or identity himself. We know from Harkon that its implied the soul of the God or Spirit overtakes the Dragon it possesses, so logically and with no time to get individuality the Soul of Urthemiel SHOULD BE the Soul of Kieran.
And we went through this entire thing in Origins where it literally said that the Old God Soul is destroyed if slain by a Grey Warden because it would be two souls inhabiting a single body, battling and destroying each other. Although, I suppose this makes me question how the hell that works in relation to Corypheus and his resurrection power. That said, Corypheus just reinforces my previous point regarding a magically stronger soul dominating over any other soul and gaining possession of the body.
Don't for get about Flemeth. She also holds the soul of an Elven goddess, Mythal. "A soul cannot be forced upon the unwilling." As an unborn being Keiran didn't have a will at the time when Urthemiel's soul would inhabit his body. And considering that Flemeth has not just the soul of Mythal inside of her but also Mythal's memories along side of her own, I don't think that Flemeth's soul no longer exists, I think that the two soul reside within her together.
IMO: forgotten ones = old gods. My theory.
Out there idea the old gods are the forgotten ones trapped in special chambers that needed the fade to access Solas creates the veil leaving them trapped. They taught humans blood magic and got them to destroy the remnants of their enemies, the arlathan elves.
I think Solas or Flemeth might try to use Urthemiel soul to resurrect Sylaise
What about Ghilan'nain? She and Urthemiel have the beauty thing in common. Also Urthemiel‘s high priest altered the darkspawn and both he and Ghilan'nain could be considered architects of new life forms. Idk
I kind of just thought so if we let Coryphenus just drink from the well wouldn’t that let Mythal/Flemeth control him? She could’ve easily taken a orb from him and shut his whole plan down??
Corypheus didn't plan to drink the well himself he would let samson or calpernia drink and then trap them in a ring of truth to use the knowledge to tare down the fade.
Wouldn’t surprise me if Flemeth took the old god soul to “mask” her own soul. So when solas killed her, he took the old god soul for something and that he assumed that Flemeth died and that he had taken hers. She’s tricky like that.
The Old Gods remind me of the Children of the Goddess and more powerful manaketes like Naga from Fire Emblem. Just imagine how nuts it would be if you actually encountered an uncorrupted Archdemon (Old God) in Dragon Age, one that isn’t insane due to the Taint but actually lucid and even friendly. Or maybe the Old Gods are the evil counterparts of said Children/manaketes? Try not to search for Children of the Goddess though since there’s spoilers for Fire Emblem: Three Houses.
Are you suggesting that Mythal's soul is somehow split into the Old Gods, or did I miss something? Love the idea.
Lol, at this point I think the Old Gods are the actual kids of Mythal, and members of the Forgotten Ones. They may have been experiments regarding the Fade, Mythal birthing powerful (and magically potent) life from the Fade itself. The latter, the Forgotten Ones, being those rivals and enemies that the Evanuris considered worthy of being demonized.
Mythal scares me. I just don't think she is gone and I think she is the bigger threat, idk. I just know we haven't seen the last of her.
Not sure if others have thought of this before or not but is it possible the dreams Kieran was having are/were similar to that of the wardens? Considering they had the soul of the old god within them would they be able to have clearer dreams of the dark spawn/old gods hive mind if that’s even what it is?
Never thought about it before, but isn't it kinda weird that The Architect would try to turn Urthemiel into a disciple? That ritual is meant to free darkspawn from the calling. But why would it need to be used on an un-tainted old god? Unless perhaps the old god was already tainted, and the Architect just woke it up. It would parallel how Corypheus says the Black City was already black when he got there, and why the old gods were locked away, if they were tainted from the very start.
Another connection this could serve is if the old gods were under some form of uthenera, like the long sleep of the ancient elves where their spirits wander the fade while their bodies remain. This could explain how the old gods called to the magisters sidereal from their dreams.
I think he connected to Mythal because as far as we know Flemeth horny act until the 5th blight. If she was only trying to preserve what was old, she could have collected to souls of 3 old gods as she's love through the 3rd through 5th blights.
Postulation - If the Evanuris and the Old Gods are one and the same, and now obviously are Blighted, would it not stand to reason that Mythal would wish her children freed from the corruption that caused Fen'Harel to imprison them in the first place? Destruction of the original, or dragon body, and Cleansing the soul through rebirth. Morrigan may be more important than we realise...
THATS MY BABY BOI
If I remember correctly didn't Flemeth say that she took Kiran's Destiny when she took the Old Gods Soul...but what we do know is that Urthemiel went with Flemeth willingly
THAT'S MY BOY
Can you do a video on the architect of similar length if you haven’t already?
I think the length depends entirely on how much content there is.
Its just sad and terrible what happened with those Gods
I wonder what the dark spawn will do when the last Old God is tainted and if its killed by wardens, what will happen to them?? Will they fade Into myth and legend or will they seek out the Magisters next.
Or will they just turn into another race like I don't know, the dwarves or the elves or something
One of the rare ‘male’ deities of beauty.
adonis was a deity of beauty, the aztecs also had a god of beauty but i dont remember the name
Claudia Is it Xochipilli? I know there are some it just seems that the sphere of ‘Beauty’ is often the jurisdiction of a goddesses. As much as that means anything to beings who aren’t mortal.
@@briarrosegael2015 thats the one
i mean yeah sure but they do exist
Baldr from Norse mythology is sometimes seen as a god of beauty, or at least a beautiful god.
I feel like Urthemiel and Ghilin'nan could be connected.
Hi new viewer. Just replayed the 2 of 3 games. Just wondering if what Morgan did for you. Is what flemith had happen to her in girth place. She has a God in her. She acts normal like a human. But has the powers of the God. Is it possible the ruital purified or cleanses the god spirit? If not I'm using that in a dnd campaign. Big reason I'm replaying. Building my own world with own history, but using history and such from dnd, elder Scrolls, dragon age and little bit of creativity.
how do we know Urthemiel was a male? are you sure the Architect was his high-priest? what make you believe that?
Codex entries dude.... Codex entries.... I repeat codex entries.....
@@mohammadabdelrahman786 was his sex specified in the codex? I don't remember XD. However, I am sure I have never seen a single Codex designating the Architect as a former Tevintide magisterium.
@@efaristi9737 all the old gods mentioned in prayers and codex entries are mentioned as males except for one, forgot her name. The Architect is mentioned in the chant of light along the other magisters and the grey warden reports they talk about him that he maybe one of the magisters. Also world of thedas volume 2
@@mohammadabdelrahman786 ok thanks for the info ^^. the Architect gave himself this name, if he was a magisterium, it cannot be his original name so how are you sure that the Architect corresponds to one of the magisteriums?
world of thédas, is it a codex or a book?
@@efaristi9737 World of Thedas is a 2 volume books, you can buy them on Amazon (Highly recommended hardcopies) or you can buy them as ebooks (I think?). They contain the lore of DA until the end of Inquisition with information on all characters and events. There are few errors of course but Bioware has tried to correct them (ex: dates).
Anyway, this is a story writing method. In writing when so much "coincidences" meet up it always mean something. His name is the Architect, he can't be killed, he's a smart darkspwan like Cory and like the codex that talked about the three darkspwans that dressed as kings and talked about a city/blackness. Also the Architect isn't his original name, nor is corypheus (conductor) is his real name. They're titles + new names each magister took before entering the golden city.
the devs wont go through so much details and coincidences into the Architect and just say nope his just a normal darkspwan that's not how story writing works.
Besides, just tweet one of the devs, they usually answer fans question about these topics. They'll probably tell you its him.
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So, male dragons stop at drakes.....except for the old gods?
the old gods are only taking the form of dragons, for some reason all of the old gods chose female dragon bodies which yeah obviously you choose that because they're bigger and have wings
I thought the dragon was a she? In fact, aren't pretty much all high dragons that?
I think the old gods are different because they aren't just High Dragons, but gods. That's several steps up.