Step 11, Installing and Adjusting the Harley Panhead's Pushrods
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- Time to remove and cleanup the pushrod tubes and pushrods, put in new pushrod seals and adjust the valves. These are solid valve lifters.
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Always love stopping by the garage have a blessed week my friends
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Finally I know that, I did the right when I adjusted pushrods on my Panhead.
Thanks Mike for the great movies
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Always a pleasure I always forget about all the different types of engines harley built
Different engines for different times. The engines match where our society was at during their production. Thank You.
Seeing you pull solid & hydraulic lifters out of that pan is a first for me.
Pretty common. Just hadn't seen any in a while.
L.C. not a rat bike its a road dog. Just like a old pick up truck. 2 of the best things to come from America.
I agree.
brings back memories of my 49 pan.
Yep. Neat old stuff.
Again Thank You Mike and thank your camera man for me' He does a real nice job.
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Cool to see you working on these vintage bikes and their tractor-like simplicity. That old carb is just the best.
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Thanks, Mike. Always appreciate pushrod adjustment videos as it’s task i always feel like I’m going to do incorrectly. You’re awesome!
Glad to help!
#RUBBER DOWN awesome show been watching about 2 years keep up the good info From West Virginia see you on the road
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Glad to see another vid Mike.
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I was so "intrigued" with the title of this video I had to stay up late to watch. I will be installing an 04 deuce fronted on my 65 pan that's on a 87 Palco frame. that I bought 12 years ago I went through it for months and got her running and took her out and ran her for about 1500 miles Till one evening I had an old woman in an old Mercedes pull out in front of me and stop wile I was doing 50 miles an hour. This was on a two lane busy road and I could not stop in time with that stock front brake even with the wife's added 105 lbs. on the back. Well I was able to pull left into on coming traffic and back into my lane just in time with no contact. It was not luck or skill or divine intervention. It had to be a combination of all three. So I found a low mileage deuce front end on E-bay and parked the bike in the living room fully intending to install It that winter. Well about a week after the front end arrived So did the step daughter and her 3 kids. Well the last grand child has moved out and on their own The wife and I are now retired the new shed is about a week or two from completion. The garden is almost done for the summer The wife's Sportster is winterized the V-rod is serviced (I'll ride it when the weathers over 40 degrees and the sun is up).So I'm happy to have your channel to fall back on so I can double check myself as I return it to the road this winter. I'll be watching as you go over the old bikes. Unfortunately most of my old friends that knew anything about the old iron have died and are not around to offer advice when my old brain gets fogy. Thank You so much. Mike from Maryland (The other coast)
I'll be looking forward to it. Take care.
So cool Sir. Pacific Mike-- Love the way that you take the time on your projects-- The new aftermarket parts are Junk --No more QA and QC. Your a true Artist-- Can’t wait for your next Video
Thank you very much! Just be selective. Some of the stuff is very good, some is not. There is more stuff available than ever. It takes quite a while to pick and choose some of it.
Love the educational work you do. Especially on the old Pan Heads.
Thank you!
My friend that use to Have a Panhead helped put Solids in my Shovelhead. Since 1984 and still using them. Great video Mike!
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Thanks Mike Great Video
Glad you enjoyed it
I'm young guy whos looking to buy old shovelhead . All the time I was growing without father , I glad I can learn from person like you how to maintain your bike. Big Thanks
Thank You. If you can dream it, you can have it. If you're determined, you can make it happen. I know it's not always easy.
Love that comment Raggedy old motorcycle a classic for sure
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I am currently not a Harley guy, but considering it. The idea is growing on me. lol. However, I am a subscriber and enjoy your informational videos. I love most all bikes.
Me too. Thank You
I have those same lifters on my old shovel (previous owner installed). Once I got them adjusted right they work just fine. To hold the tubes up I made a double hook with some welding rod, suspended with a tiny bungee cord. I sorta copied you on that, so thanks for the idea!
Yah, I didn't have it in my hand today, and we'd already started.
Clothes pins work well
Another good video Mike! I always believe in cleaning everything up and leaving no residue. When I used to rebuild old VW engines the older ones which displaced 1192cc and 34 horse. The push rods had a wooden dowel inside to help attract any loose debris (magnesium from the engine block casting). This fact is always a good brain teaser when talking with old VW enthusiasts. I am thinking of opening up my own shop doing minor repairs and maintenance. The need for special tools one of the things holding me back.
I understand. It took a lot of years to build up my tooling. However, specializing in one brand made it a little easier. I felt, if I specialized in what I loved and bought tools (not hard to justify), I could set up my life the way I wanted it. I didn't get rich, but I sure enjoyed it. It's still my passion.
thank you for the knowledge, yours is a treasure
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Nice job Professor. Very detailed video. Can't wait for startup
Thank You. Me too.
The old iron was fondly referred to as working man's machines. They loved attention and hated neglect. We keep them running and roadworthy through respect, besides - it's fun. Great dedication Mike.
Well said. Thank You.
Im no mechanic but I feel I could do this job with your video in front of me guiding my way. Thanks again as usual to you both. 👍
That's great. Thank You
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Man that carb looks amazing. Can't wait to hear it run.
You and me both! Thank You
Thanks for the video Mike..
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Cool ! Another video and another 1st !!
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Comment on mix matched parts on this motorcycle reminded me of a book from way back titled "What Fits What" on HD's 36 thru 70's & IIRC later updated edition went thru 80's shovels. Great reference on interchangeable parts between years/models,etc..Best few $'s I ever spent on Harley literature...>> Not sure how effective it is from a dry install as they will get oil eventually but an old trick on cork pushrod tube seals was to apply clean oil to them so they would swell slightly once saturated.>>> Some of the metal spring washers I've run across have a rolled edge on inside diameter making them directional = rolled edge = spring index facing the spring ...Don't recall if they were aftermarket or later year OEM ...???
Well, I proved that they don't all interchange. I think my "spares" I came up with are Evos. I'll get the right ones.
absolutely love your channel Uncle Mike!!
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Thank you, Mike--another good one!
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Ragged old bike, ragged old tales ,Character to spare. Sounds a good bit like my Pagan Antiques.
Sounds good.
Very good example, Mike. Thank you!
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Hey Mike I used to use a clothespin to hold the pushrod cover while adjusting. Worked great
There are several ways. Shovels are easiest. You can hook over the top of the rocker box.
Some say mixed and matched parts, I say character. Thx Mike
Oh. She's definitely a "Character."
Thank you for sharing. Great, enjoyed.
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Mike, just watched u "feel pushrod tip go up into the rocker arm socket" ; I was careless and did not get rear intake pushrod in the socket. When I checked my work after a few miles I saw that one had wear from rattling around. Always learning as I keep this old iron on the road. Nice presentation. Thank you.
We all have "issues" from time to time. And we all learn from those issues. We can even learn from each others issues.
Thank u Mike. U build confidence in a DIY shovel wrench. Appreciate your videos.
Thank You. You know, we all start at the beginning.
Great video Mike. Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it. Thank You
Thanks for your time.
My pleasure!
Excellent video guys thanks
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Mike, the perfection of your presentation and attention to details, is in line with how I try to be. This is really good to see.
Wow, thanks!
@@pacificmike9501 you really do hit home for me, as with the little know how I do have, it drives me nuts to see someone hack things up by using the wrong tools or just plain not being careful. as always Thanks for Sharing your Knowledge.
You know Mike I never thought about it before but your videos never have speed ups or stuff done off camera, that's really cool cause we get to listen to your words of wisdom along the way. Also, those fat push rods as you say rub the inside of the tube which is not as much of a problem with later shovels that have O rings but on the cork ones I have had problems with the the tube moving causing a slight leak on the cork at the bottom in the lifter block
Yep. And it varies from bike to bike and cam to cam. The combo that works for you, is the right one.
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A little bit of bronze wool works great for cleaning old chrome parts and it will help the part look nice and clean without further damage to the chrome. 😊
Good point. Thank You.
Mike, #0000 Steel Wool works like a champ to get the crud off of the PR Tubes.
I got 'em clean. Of course "preference" would have been a new set.
Can you show rolling push rod on table to make sure it's not bent. Trick my dad taught me about 30 years ago. Not many people even check.
I do it. I just didn't think of showing it.
Mike what’s the advantage of running solid lifters in that Pan? Love your videos Mike, a real treasure.
Must have passages for oil to hydraulics. Early Pans didn't have that. Solids do give a little more "snap" in acceleration but require attention more often and are a little noisy.
I am sure like me you hang on to alot of parts you have removed off other projects.... The spring cap is possibly the problem not the washers... I have found sometimes corks work but sometimes more modern rubber seem easier....Great info as always...Thanks
Thank You. I think the washers I was trying to use are for an Evo. We'll see tomorrow morning.
HOWdy Mike.
Adjusting the PANHEAD's Push-Rods
Thanks for the EDUCATION
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Good evening Mike . How are you ? Thank you for this video.
Good Evening. I am well and hope you are. Thank You
I am well, thank you . Happy as a clam at high tide .
Looking forward to your video on hydraulics
We've done them on Shovelheads. Go to the Pacific Mike homepage on RUclips. Click on the word "videos." Scroll through them. There are 200 of them with text and pictures. Easy to find.
I've always gotten the opposing cylinders intake or exaust to it's highest point and then did my adjustments. Is this different on panheads? Like to hear back from you on this(getting ready to start it soon) since I just adjusted mine on a 61 pan I picked up last month. Thanks, and keep these great videos comimg.
Different way of doing it. I do them all by getting the valves I'm going to adjust closed. The lifters themselves are at the absolute bottom of their stroke.
I'm with you on the "RAT"bike thing anyone can take a bike and make it look shabby but to keep an old bike running on a shoestring budget takes a mend and make do attitude and a problem solving skills
I agree. Thank You
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I was taught to soak new cork gaskets in oil before installing them in the tubes. Would appreciate your views on this
I've always done them dry. Interesting.
Sparkel and shine NEVER a waste of time Mike gradage rocks
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I think this ole bike is like Lee Marvin playin Kid Shelleen getting all primped up for the happening. No rat bikes here ! lol
Now there's a sense of humor. I love it.
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Nice video, so as the motor warms i guess the cylinders grow, and the pushrod clearance is larger? so you have to set the pushrods on a cold engine?
That is correct
I have to wonder if that front intake has an aftermarket cover and that's why the washers don't fit. Once again, I am learning a great deal from you. Thanks!
The front one is the long one.
Mike, if you get a chance, could you build a flathead project for us.
I'm trying to catch up. Then, I can get back on the Flathead.
Yeah, that's a 1/2" pushrod. I prefer the 7/16" aluminum. There's normally a spring that goes
under that piece you took out of the lifter block.
I recall back around 1980 when I first got my Pan ('62 FL) and went to do a pushrod adjustment. I
pushed on the lifter and it had give. I thought, Okay, they're hydraulic," and adjusted them that way
(no spin, four more turns). I lost all compression. WTH? I looked at my book again. Darn it, I did
it right. I don't get it.
I was looking at a bike mag while giving it some thought and came across an add for the conversion
kit. Hey! I went back and adjusted them like solids (hard spin. done) and wa-lah!
Some folks like to soak the corks in oil overnight before installation. I've always let them "season"
in place, 'cuz I'm lazy. Heh.
Adjusting pushrods reminds me of points. You'll have it just right, tighten it up and, nope! It can get
frustrating.
Yep. Just how it is. I remember throwing those springs away for exactly that reason. I just wanted to show something that explained those parts. I hadn't seen them in years. Not too fond of them. Yes, I prefer thinner pushrods too. Sometimes you have to deal with what you've got.
When converting hydraulics to solids, do you block off the oil feed port in the cam follower?
Nope.
Mike, 1980 FLH came with Tom Sifton 112 Cobra cam and solid conversion like shown in this video. Cam has .440 lift which is mild. Would you switch back to hydraulic lifter insert s if it was your motor. I bought some good used oem HD tappet inserts, cleaned and tested them as per manual. Also got a set oem style pushrods. U mentioned guys run these like in this video. I set to zero last 2 finger spin no side to side. Thank you.
Hydraullic lifters should be partially compressed. Set as per the manual.
Any problem with using an ultrasonic cleaner on those pushrods and covers? I use a coat hanger to hold the covers up while adjusting
Why not? Cool.
Hwy mike where do you source the washers and cork rings from. I just bought a 1960 panhead and I need to check the pushrod. I am in socal like you
Any aftermarket Harley shop should have them.
If you had a "non California" spray solvent available would you use it instead of the alcohol? I'm in West Virginia and I use mostly spray brake cleaner. I used to work in a parts store and we had the California and non California type. The California approved sucked. Just have to watch and not use on plastic and paint.
I've breathed so much bad stuff in my life, just don't want to anymore.
Mike I've had a quick look through your library and I can't see that you've done a video on changing the trans shifter seal on a twin cam or equivalent. I'm wondering if there's a way to do it without removing the primary? I'm riding (or was) a '02 Wideglide with forward controls.
I don't believe so.
Hey mike, would this be the best time to change tappet block gaskets as well? Remove block when valves are bottomed out?
Anytime you remove the tappet blocks, replace the gaskets. With the pushrods removed, remove tappet block screws and remove tappet blocks. That easy. No "monkey motion" on the pushrods. Bottom the lifters to remove the pushrods.
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would superfine steal wool work easier than all that elbow grease on the tubes ?
Maybe.
Hi Mike, I am looking to buy the solid lifter conversion kit for my 76 FLH, are there SPRINGS under those "solid" pieces you show in your video? All the kits I see with the adjustment on the pushrod end have a separate spring as part of the kit... Please advise.... thanx TD
Yes, they generall come with a spring. I've used them and done without them. It's your choice. They are a little noisy.
Hello Mike and thanks for all the great content you put out. Are you aware of any difference between white and "regular" lithium grease? From what I can find it's basically the same but the white color is more a visual thing so you can see, easily, where it has been applied. Does that sound right to you? Thank you again for all of these great videos.
I don't know. Maybe, contacting the manufacturer would bring the answer. I've done that with motor oil questions.
Mike do you use a air powered valve spring compressor?
No. My Harleys only have four valves.
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I also use alcohol when l wrench but not for cleaning.
Whatever works.
So you do both front push rods at the same time with them both at the bottom?
Yes, but rock it back and forth to make sure you don't have one valve a bit open. You may also have a weak valve spring.
How do I tell if I have solid or hydraulic lifters?
What is the motorcycle? Do units pull out of the lifters (after the pushrods are removed)? I need more info from you.
So this is Hydraulic to Solid Lifter Conversion Adjustment?
Yes, well said.
Thanks so much for taking us to school Lemay
Thanks for comin' along.
How much do solid pushrods grow when hot?
They don't. The entire top end "grows" when heated up. That's why the clearances increase in the valve train and the lifters get noisy.
@@pacificmike9501 Thanks I didn't think about everything else expands. Good to know.
Should I follow the same procedure if I have hydraulic lifters and solid pushrods? I'm a little confused on that end I allways thought if u have solid pushrods u have hydraulic lifters and if you hydraulic pushrods you have solid lifters.
The only hydraulic pushrods were in 48-52 Panheads. There were no provisions for running oil to the lifters until 1953. So previous to 1953, they all had solid lifters. All of the overhead valve Harleys had adjustable pushrods until Evos came along. And of course with the first cam change, they got adjustable pushrods too.
I can honestly say I've never heard a single person 'want' hydro lifters. They seem to cause so many issues. Solid, you know exactly what you're getting! and unless you bend (Due to many other underlying issues) you're going to get many pain free days riding.
Hydraulic lifters require very little maintenance and are easier on all of the components. Today's hydraulic lifters are a vast improvement over the old days. I run solids on antiques, because they don't have passages for oil to pump up hydraulics. I think we all get stuck on the old stuff because we're used to it.
@@pacificmike9501 In my defense, I've never owned a bike newer than 1954, so I'm probably bias. Personally prefer solids.
I get it. I really do like solids in Panheads. On a Shovelhead, the topend seems to grow too much. I'd get off the freeway, after running hard for a while, and the solids would be just pounding. We all ran 'em. My Panhead? Always been solids and I think she just doesn't get hot enough to grow that much. Sounds good after running all day.
After adjusting my pushrods earlier this week I noticed my exhaust note at idle is actually quieter.... How is this possible??? I have a 48 pan shovel with solid lifters and non-adjustable aluminum pushrods.
Check it out. You may be a little tight.
Any update on the project bike
Yes. Once I'm caught up, it's back on the Flathead.
Can I use that type of carb on my 99 evo softail custom
I'm assuming you're speaking of the carburetor on my Panhead. If so, No, it's not big enough and a bit limited for an Evo.
@@pacificmike9501 thanks yea I’m no mechanic but I’ve always worked on my own bikes since I was 15 I’m 51 now and I only ride carb bikes no fuel injection , your videos really help
If you reseal one pushrod at a time, and the bike has been timed previously, do you need to retime the motor?
Are you referring to ignition timing? Either way, the answer is no.
@@pacificmike9501 one of those “duh” moments. I realized the length of the pushrods are finite, was simply overthinking or lack thereof. Want to say thanks for your ignition timing video. Really helped to dial in the new-to-me bike!!
Cool. Enjoy it.
@@pacificmike9501 in addition Mike, I remember you mentioning that you don’t look forward to prying off the clips with a flat screwdriver. You should get the Motion Pro pushrod cover compressor for HD. Not as cool and a square shaft flathead when you fit new corks, but boy.. does it make it easy. Add a thin strip of felt to the mating surfaces of the tool, you can easily remove the clips without damaging chrome
Hey Mike I think your wining on the pan head
Yes. Been staying in and warm. I will get on it.
Why should someone convert a hydraulic lifter to a solid one? That way you need to adjust your valves way too often, isn’t it right?
I agree. But it's a very inexpensive fix, when lifters wear out.
@@pacificmike9501 I see, thank you.
Q: How can you confirm that Harley 50 weight pumps through your viens instead of blood? A:You're perfectly content to spend 25 minutes watching a guy you've never met clean gunk off pushrod tubes! ✌🇨🇦
That's quite a point. Thank You
Wish it was that easy on push rods on that Indian lol
Harley pushrods were always easy, then came the Evo.
Slow down people this is how you do it like the man said it's not wine till it's time ha ha ha thanks Mike Lemay
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It's a real treat watchi.n you Clean parts get on with it 😢
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