"Sometimes they don't get out of the car" - Actually Ken Miles was ejected from his car in that crash at the end and broke his neck, that's what killed him instantly. Also the 2 guys Miles is mainly racing in Daytona and Le Mans, Walt Hansgen and Lorenzo Bandini, got killed in racing accidents. Hansgen died not long after the Daytona race, while testing the Ford GT40 for the 1966 Le Mans race, and Lorenzo Bandini, who also drove in Formula 1 for Ferrari, died at the Monaco F1 Grand Prix in 1967 in a fiery crash. The Le Mans winning driver here, Bruce McLaren, was the founder of the McLaren sports car company and the legendary Formula 1 team, which still exists. He sadly was killed during a testing accident in England in 1970. Racing was really a blood sport back then.
@kater... Excellent comment! The era of motorsports depicted in this film was brutal and deadly. I think it's an important thing to remember some of the drivers that perished...and there were many who did! Are you interested in Caterham cars? I'm going by your user name. I learned about them watching reruns of Top Gear. They are wickedly fast! Again, great post! Cheers!
A few points to correct; Leo Beebe was not the 'Villain' portrayed in the movie, he was the one that suggested the engine upgrade, he also didn't know about the rule that cost Ken Miles the win until too late to let Ken know. As with many movies facts are changed for dramatic effect so I can live with most changes but I feel sorry that Leo will be remembered with such hate because of this movie. Ken's son went on to be an engineer & was head curator of the Ferrari museum. I would suggest the movie 'Rush' (2013) about the legendary battle between F1 drivers James Hunt & Niki Lauda that cumulated in the 1976 season by Ron Howard.
This sort of thing happens way too often. So many examples of Hollywood turning real people into villians or A-holes for the story. The story didn't even need it. Such a shame, because thats how people will remember them....
@@BayAreaMike99 Worked, he has moved on and now holds the position of executive administrator for a prestigious vintage car collection valued at over $80 million. (as of last known info)
Shelby was truly larger than life. A chicken farmer from Texas racing in Aston Martins with a bad heart popping nitro pills. Far from a saint. But his Shelby Cobra is atop the mountain of legendary cars. You could walk into a dealership and get a Cobra with a 427 that would smoke anything else out there. With a Ford engine in a British AC car body. He made the Mustang the sports car it is today. He made the Dodge GLH cars (Goes Like Hell). He then worked on the Dodge Viper, another legendary car. Then worked with Ford again to sign off on the 2013 Mustang GT500. Not bad for a chicken farmer.
Ken Miles and Carrol Shelby are legends in motor racing. This is one of the best racing films modern day has produced and it brought lots of emotions out for this motorsports fan. Glad to see you like this film Rush (2013) is also a great back to back pairing with this. Great formula 1 rivalry!
Have you seen Empire of the Sun? C. Bale's first movie, he's in every scene. Spielberg movie. Doesn't get reactions due to lack of action, but I've seen some beautiful ones.
Ford's first race car was the 999, built in 1902. It had a four-cylinder engine which displaced 18,927 c.c. (that figure is accurate) and developed 100 horsepower. It could accelerate to over 148 kilometers per hour in 1.6 kilometers. Henry Ford I hired a renowned bicycle racer named Barney Oldfield to race the car. Oldfield had one week to learn to drive the car before his first race.
I recently heard Jay Leno comment on this chapter of racing history. He downplayed the degree to which this was actually a surprise. He pointed out that Ford was a multi billion dollar, global company, while Ferrari was the one operating on a shoestring budget. Those things are true. It's also true that there are Michelin three star restaurants which have been in business for generations, but do limited volume. McDonald's, on the other hand, is global and serves billions of meals every year. Now, imagine a cooking competition in which McDonald's must compete with the highly rated, but low volume restaurant. Would you actually expect McDonald's to win such a contest? That is what Shelby and Ford did. They stepped completely outside the arena in which they operated, and beat the best in the world on their terms... And they did it with a cantankerous forty year old driver and a chicken farmer who lived to his mid eighties in various stages of heart failure. Then, they did it two more consecutive times, said to Big Daddy Enzo, "I think we made our point, f*ck you", and walked away. That is astonishing.
To be entirely fair, in the analogy it's like having McDonalds hire Gordon Ramsay to create the dish they will be serving and having Julia Child cook for them during the actual competition (Dunno if they are the best examples, they are just the only two really famous and great chefs I know about, and one isn't even alive haha). Point is, the win is only really that surprising if you think that McDonalds is gonna show up with a standard Big Mac to try and go up against a Michelin Star dish instead of spending the money to absolutely put the Michelin star restuaunt on it's ass and show the world that McDonalds can hold its own in any weight class. I personally think that what is surprising about the situation is that it even occured in the first place. Much like I would be surprised by the idea of McDonalds entering a gormet food competition, the idea that Ford decided to take on Le Mans at all is surprising to me, but it seems pretty obvious personally that if they were to do (or in this case, that they did do) something of the sort, that they wouldn't do so willy nilly, and would use their massive resources to dominate rather than willingly enter a competition and humiliate themselves on the world stage, esp considering this all was for marketing in the first place. Of course, I'm looking at this from a hindsight perspective, and I am not an expert in any of this (I just like cars), so I can't claim to be the end all be all of how people several decades before I was born reacted to the situation. This is just my perspective on it, and in the end, imho, it doesn't make the saga any less cool or make the victory any less valid, Le Mans is still a beast and a half of a race, multi-billions or not, and the fact they won is a testiment to the skill and passion of those that money was able to buy. It just doesn't surprise me that Ford was able to hire them and put them to work, only that they ever actually did it at all.
One of the best films on racing, with a quality effort (albeit the liberties…frustratingly so) with a fantastic cast, excellent cinematography & the track sequences were top tier. Definitely in my top five & both Christian Bale & Matt Damon nailed their respective roles. I love auto racing, & watch GT racing today but I really have a respect for the classic & vintage race cars/drivers. Those guys had guts, weren’t afraid to get dirty & work. [For more racing movies I must suggest these; “LeMans”, “Grand Prix”, “The 24 Hour War”, & “Rush”…all are great watches]
Great film, excellent reaction. And yes, if you're not too familiar with Henry Ford and his family, look into it, the man was a despicable pos in many unsavory regards.
Leo Beebe was NEVER the evil man they made him out to be. He wanted Ford to win, he had no hatred towards Miles, and when he asked them to come in all together, he had no idea it would cost Miles the victory, he just wanted the picture of 3 Fords Winning together at Le Mans for Publicity reasons. But every movie needs a Villain and I guess he drew the short straw. Also as epic as it was that Ferrari gave a tip of the hat to Miles, he actually wasnt even at the race in 1966.
The most powerful part of the movie, by far, is when Shelby talks to Peter at the end. Normally he always knows what to say, but seeing him struggle with words cuts DEEP.
15:37 fun fact this never happened Ken Miles was involved in the race. He was actually in a car that had issues. I don’t know why they had creative liberty with this and when they were watching the race on TV that never happened too because Le Mans races weren’t broadcast yet
Good thing is nowadays Le Mans 24 doesn´t have that stupid rule and the racers defitintely do not start by running to their cars anymore. Last year it was the 100nd anniversary of the race.
Leo Beebe is done quite dirty in this film. He's painted as an evil antagonist in order to give the second half of the movie more meaning as Enzo becomes this shadowy Emperor Palpatine figure just barely seen throughout the end of the film. In reality, it was much more complicated than that. Beebe was highly respected by all who knew and worked with him at Ford, known as a tough but respectable individual & overall hard worker. He got the job after serving in the Navy during WW2 under none other than Henry Ford II, who noticed his stellar work ethic in the military and offered him work after the war was over. (Fun Fact: Shelby also served in the Air Corps as a pilot during WW2, he requested to be put into combat but it never happened) However, the way people who work with you and people who work under you see you as a person is *_vastly_* different. It isn't too outlandish to assume that Beebe probably would have had many meetings with Shelby and they would have had major differences as to how to run the Ford Racing Division due to the differing intrinsic motivations each had, which would indirectly affect Miles and probably resulted in the portrayal of what we see on screen. The real person who ordered the dead heat finish for the 3 GT40s at the end of the 1967 Le Mans race was never identified. It could have been any other high-ranking executive or Ford himself, but almost everyone who knew Beebe personally said that either they knew for sure that he was not the one who asked for it, or attested to the fact that it would be entirely out of character for him to do so. Also, AFAIK no one in the paddock or on the track had any clue about the technicality which made Ken come in second. The technicality was only brought up after the 3 Fords had agreed to a dead heat finish and made known by the ACO which was the governing body of motorsports at the time, Beebe never had prior knowledge that this would happen but did get angry at Ken in the final laps for aggressively racing his other Ford GT40 drivers in an effort to win the race for himself even after they had told the drivers to come in together. I think Shelby himself alluded to a different Ford executive who was causing a lot of infighting and politics behind the scenes back when the rivalry was still fresh who probably was the person that inspired a lot of these moments, but that person was never named. Rumor is that he got promoted even higher up the corporate ladder which left a bad taste in Lee Iaccoca's mouth and caused him to leave Ford entirely afterwards.
Correct, he was nothing like they portray him, he wanted Ford to win, he was fine with Miles winning, yes he wanted the 3 Fords coming in together, but he did not know it would cost Ken the win. But every movie has to have a villain , and Ken was chosen for this one
happy thing that Formula 1 banned in-race refueling quite some time ago. Explosions and fires were a big nuisance. Formula 1 is the pinnacle of autosport, not LeMans. LeMans is endurance, but F1 is finesse, and gutsy drivers who take risks. Aston-Martin and Ferrari are still branded F1 teams. Aston-Martin's engines are constructed by Mercedes-Benz, but Ferrari makes its own. Ford is not an F1 branded team.
Would definitely recommend RUSH after this. It’s about the 1976 F1 season and one of the greatest sporting rivalries ever.
f1 sucks. boring scripted sport
@@chaddickinson840are you high?
@@jordanclark4635 no.
The fight scene between Batman and Jason Bourne was amazing.
my favorite movie! thanks for reacting to it :)
"Sometimes they don't get out of the car" - Actually Ken Miles was ejected from his car in that crash at the end and broke his neck, that's what killed him instantly. Also the 2 guys Miles is mainly racing in Daytona and Le Mans, Walt Hansgen and Lorenzo Bandini, got killed in racing accidents. Hansgen died not long after the Daytona race, while testing the Ford GT40 for the 1966 Le Mans race, and Lorenzo Bandini, who also drove in Formula 1 for Ferrari, died at the Monaco F1 Grand Prix in 1967 in a fiery crash. The Le Mans winning driver here, Bruce McLaren, was the founder of the McLaren sports car company and the legendary Formula 1 team, which still exists. He sadly was killed during a testing accident in England in 1970. Racing was really a blood sport back then.
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@kater...
Excellent comment!
The era of motorsports depicted in this film was brutal and deadly. I think it's an important thing to remember some of the drivers that perished...and there were many who did!
Are you interested in Caterham cars? I'm going by your user name. I learned about them watching reruns of Top Gear. They are wickedly fast!
Again, great post!
Cheers!
Please do watch Rush after this....based on true story....Ron Howard direction....F1.....
$200 in 1966 equal @ $1930 in today's funds. Incredible amount of money in those days . I love this movie!
Crazy. Imagine being asked to work on a wicked cool top secret project and getting paid that much money.
It was a fortune back in 1966. And considering their IRS problem, it was a dream solution.
A few points to correct; Leo Beebe was not the 'Villain' portrayed in the movie, he was the one that suggested the engine upgrade, he also didn't know about the rule that cost Ken Miles the win until too late to let Ken know. As with many movies facts are changed for dramatic effect so I can live with most changes but I feel sorry that Leo will be remembered with such hate because of this movie. Ken's son went on to be an engineer & was head curator of the Ferrari museum. I would suggest the movie 'Rush' (2013) about the legendary battle between F1 drivers James Hunt & Niki Lauda that cumulated in the 1976 season by Ron Howard.
This sort of thing happens way too often. So many examples of Hollywood turning real people into villians or A-holes for the story. The story didn't even need it. Such a shame, because thats how people will remember them....
How ironic he works at the Ferrari museum now
@@BayAreaMike99 Worked, he has moved on and now holds the position of executive administrator for a prestigious vintage car collection valued at over $80 million. (as of last known info)
An unexpectedly powerful ending even for folks who knew the tale.
Love this Movie❤
Also Ford celebrated the 50th anniversary of this event by winning Le Mans again with the new Ford GT in 2016.
Shelby was truly larger than life. A chicken farmer from Texas racing in Aston Martins with a bad heart popping nitro pills. Far from a saint. But his Shelby Cobra is atop the mountain of legendary cars. You could walk into a dealership and get a Cobra with a 427 that would smoke anything else out there. With a Ford engine in a British AC car body. He made the Mustang the sports car it is today. He made the Dodge GLH cars (Goes Like Hell). He then worked on the Dodge Viper, another legendary car. Then worked with Ford again to sign off on the 2013 Mustang GT500. Not bad for a chicken farmer.
Ken Miles and Carrol Shelby are legends in motor racing. This is one of the best racing films modern day has produced and it brought lots of emotions out for this motorsports fan. Glad to see you like this film
Rush (2013) is also a great back to back pairing with this. Great formula 1 rivalry!
Also the Bruce McLaren mentioned on the Ford team is the founder of the McLaren cars
Have you seen Empire of the Sun? C. Bale's first movie, he's in every scene. Spielberg movie. Doesn't get reactions due to lack of action, but I've seen some beautiful ones.
Ford's first race car was the 999, built in 1902. It had a four-cylinder engine which displaced 18,927 c.c. (that figure is accurate) and developed 100 horsepower. It could accelerate to over 148 kilometers per hour in 1.6 kilometers. Henry Ford I hired a renowned bicycle racer named Barney Oldfield to race the car. Oldfield had one week to learn to drive the car before his first race.
I recently heard Jay Leno comment on this chapter of racing history. He downplayed the degree to which this was actually a surprise. He pointed out that Ford was a multi billion dollar, global company, while Ferrari was the one operating on a shoestring budget.
Those things are true. It's also true that there are Michelin three star restaurants which have been in business for generations, but do limited volume. McDonald's, on the other hand, is global and serves billions of meals every year.
Now, imagine a cooking competition in which McDonald's must compete with the highly rated, but low volume restaurant. Would you actually expect McDonald's to win such a contest?
That is what Shelby and Ford did. They stepped completely outside the arena in which they operated, and beat the best in the world on their terms... And they did it with a cantankerous forty year old driver and a chicken farmer who lived to his mid eighties in various stages of heart failure.
Then, they did it two more consecutive times, said to Big Daddy Enzo, "I think we made our point, f*ck you", and walked away.
That is astonishing.
To be entirely fair, in the analogy it's like having McDonalds hire Gordon Ramsay to create the dish they will be serving and having Julia Child cook for them during the actual competition (Dunno if they are the best examples, they are just the only two really famous and great chefs I know about, and one isn't even alive haha).
Point is, the win is only really that surprising if you think that McDonalds is gonna show up with a standard Big Mac to try and go up against a Michelin Star dish instead of spending the money to absolutely put the Michelin star restuaunt on it's ass and show the world that McDonalds can hold its own in any weight class.
I personally think that what is surprising about the situation is that it even occured in the first place. Much like I would be surprised by the idea of McDonalds entering a gormet food competition, the idea that Ford decided to take on Le Mans at all is surprising to me, but it seems pretty obvious personally that if they were to do (or in this case, that they did do) something of the sort, that they wouldn't do so willy nilly, and would use their massive resources to dominate rather than willingly enter a competition and humiliate themselves on the world stage, esp considering this all was for marketing in the first place.
Of course, I'm looking at this from a hindsight perspective, and I am not an expert in any of this (I just like cars), so I can't claim to be the end all be all of how people several decades before I was born reacted to the situation. This is just my perspective on it, and in the end, imho, it doesn't make the saga any less cool or make the victory any less valid, Le Mans is still a beast and a half of a race, multi-billions or not, and the fact they won is a testiment to the skill and passion of those that money was able to buy. It just doesn't surprise me that Ford was able to hire them and put them to work, only that they ever actually did it at all.
One of the best films on racing, with a quality effort (albeit the liberties…frustratingly so) with a fantastic cast, excellent cinematography & the track sequences were top tier. Definitely in my top five & both Christian Bale & Matt Damon nailed their respective roles. I love auto racing, & watch GT racing today but I really have a respect for the classic & vintage race cars/drivers. Those guys had guts, weren’t afraid to get dirty & work. [For more racing movies I must suggest these; “LeMans”, “Grand Prix”, “The 24 Hour War”, & “Rush”…all are great watches]
Concerning Carroll Shelby's hijinks at LeMans ..... "If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying!"
Great film, excellent reaction. And yes, if you're not too familiar with Henry Ford and his family, look into it, the man was a despicable pos in many unsavory regards.
All US monetary figures should be multploed by 10 to see what they would be today.
Leo Beebe was NEVER the evil man they made him out to be. He wanted Ford to win, he had no hatred towards Miles, and when he asked them to come in all together, he had no idea it would cost Miles the victory, he just wanted the picture of 3 Fords Winning together at Le Mans for Publicity reasons. But every movie needs a Villain and I guess he drew the short straw. Also as epic as it was that Ferrari gave a tip of the hat to Miles, he actually wasnt even at the race in 1966.
nonesense, Everyone here giving a different version of this story. Almost like you're just parroting what others say...
Yes it was Nina Simone
35:46 another fun fact, Enzo Ferrari never attended the race
When did they change the name of the film? Or does it have to spelled out for the US market?
The most powerful part of the movie, by far, is when Shelby talks to Peter at the end. Normally he always knows what to say, but seeing him struggle with words cuts DEEP.
15:37 fun fact this never happened Ken Miles was involved in the race. He was actually in a car that had issues. I don’t know why they had creative liberty with this and when they were watching the race on TV that never happened too because Le Mans races weren’t broadcast yet
Good thing is nowadays Le Mans 24 doesn´t have that stupid rule and the racers defitintely do not start by running to their cars anymore. Last year it was the 100nd anniversary of the race.
Leo Beebe is done quite dirty in this film. He's painted as an evil antagonist in order to give the second half of the movie more meaning as Enzo becomes this shadowy Emperor Palpatine figure just barely seen throughout the end of the film. In reality, it was much more complicated than that.
Beebe was highly respected by all who knew and worked with him at Ford, known as a tough but respectable individual & overall hard worker. He got the job after serving in the Navy during WW2 under none other than Henry Ford II, who noticed his stellar work ethic in the military and offered him work after the war was over. (Fun Fact: Shelby also served in the Air Corps as a pilot during WW2, he requested to be put into combat but it never happened)
However, the way people who work with you and people who work under you see you as a person is *_vastly_* different. It isn't too outlandish to assume that Beebe probably would have had many meetings with Shelby and they would have had major differences as to how to run the Ford Racing Division due to the differing intrinsic motivations each had, which would indirectly affect Miles and probably resulted in the portrayal of what we see on screen.
The real person who ordered the dead heat finish for the 3 GT40s at the end of the 1967 Le Mans race was never identified. It could have been any other high-ranking executive or Ford himself, but almost everyone who knew Beebe personally said that either they knew for sure that he was not the one who asked for it, or attested to the fact that it would be entirely out of character for him to do so. Also, AFAIK no one in the paddock or on the track had any clue about the technicality which made Ken come in second. The technicality was only brought up after the 3 Fords had agreed to a dead heat finish and made known by the ACO which was the governing body of motorsports at the time, Beebe never had prior knowledge that this would happen but did get angry at Ken in the final laps for aggressively racing his other Ford GT40 drivers in an effort to win the race for himself even after they had told the drivers to come in together.
I think Shelby himself alluded to a different Ford executive who was causing a lot of infighting and politics behind the scenes back when the rivalry was still fresh who probably was the person that inspired a lot of these moments, but that person was never named. Rumor is that he got promoted even higher up the corporate ladder which left a bad taste in Lee Iaccoca's mouth and caused him to leave Ford entirely afterwards.
Small correction, it was the 1966 Le Mans, not 1967
Correct, he was nothing like they portray him, he wanted Ford to win, he was fine with Miles winning, yes he wanted the 3 Fords coming in together, but he did not know it would cost Ken the win. But every movie has to have a villain , and Ken was chosen for this one
funny how everything you just said is different to what others in the comments have said.....almost like people just make up nonsense.
Will you guys watch "Flash of genius" guarantee both of you will like that 1
happy thing that Formula 1 banned in-race refueling quite some time ago. Explosions and fires were a big nuisance. Formula 1 is the pinnacle of autosport, not LeMans. LeMans is endurance, but F1 is finesse, and gutsy drivers who take risks. Aston-Martin and Ferrari are still branded F1 teams. Aston-Martin's engines are constructed by Mercedes-Benz, but Ferrari makes its own. Ford is not an F1 branded team.
You saying F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport is peak F1 fanboy action
Wop is a term used to describe a person of Italian descent. It’s a nationality not a race.
It's an acronym for "with out papers"
@@joew3985 not in this context. It’s a derogatory word identifying Enzo Ferrari’s Italian nationality as a negative.
@@joew3985 Actually it's not. It's one of those rumors started by Mario Cuomo and then again by Nancy Pelosi.
It's a derogatory term for anyone of southern European ethnicity.