Amen. One people of God throughout human history, that is all who are in Christ from before the foundation of the world. Jesus said, "All that the Father giveth Me shall come to Me, and him that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out." And, "No man can come to Me unless the Father who hath sent Me draw him; and I will raise him up at the Last Day." John 6:44 Soli Deo Gloria!
The Church is the fulfillment of true Israel, the Israel of God, both Old Testament Saints and New Testament Saints. There is only one people of God and they are connected by the cross of Christ!!!🙏❤️
Beautiful answer. God's chosen were always those through faith. The entire Bible is about Jesus & God's redemptive plan. Israel were just players in it, not the focus. Jesus is the focus.
@@missajimnigIsrael was chosen to bring the glory of God to the nations and also bring forth the promised Messiah to fulfill the entire law of God to perfection, And Jesus did what Israel could not do, and to fulfill prophecy this is where God went to the nations to also provoke a jealousy within Israel because of their disbelief and partially hardened their hearts for a time! The body of Christ and Israel cannot be separated as dispensationalists do! Israel is filled with believers of all nations! The nation of Israel still needs to believe on the chosen One of God! One people of faith united in Christ! The nation of Israel today is just like any other nation on this planet although God will provide salvation to them, but few will heed the calling as scriptures say! The old covenant is fulfilled in Christ and we are under the new covenant established by his death and ressurection! The big circle from the fall to Eschaton is almost completed! Getting back to paradise soon! New Jerusalem! We will be able to eat freely from the tree of life! So excited
@@MrScott00 Matthew 21:33-46, Galatian’s 4:21-31, Romans 2:26-29, Hebrew 12:22-24 The true Jew is the one whose citizenship is in the heavenly Jerusalem.
Gal 6:16 was understood to be a reference to Christians until the mid 1800s. Still is understood to be a reference to Christians by a vast majority of global Christianity...
Israel is physical. Jews are known to be the Children of Israel. Christians, on the other hand, are called the Children of God. They are from many tongues, and Nations. Those that walk by the Spirit/spirit, that is. Jesus promised His mother He would come back and sit on the physical Throne of David when He returned. The Jews inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. Born again believers inherit the Kingdom of God, as joint heirs with Christ. Hallelujah!!! Be blessed!!!
I talk to a lot of Christian Zionists online and tell them this, but it's like their ears are stopped and their eyes are blind. No matter how much Scripture I give them about the new covenant people of God being only believers in Christ. They call me names, like "apostate of the last days", that I am deceived, I don't read the Bible, or I don't understand the Bible, that we re commanded to love and pray for Israel, that God is going to curse me because I'm cursing Israel... on and on it's very bizarre! They call the unsaved Jews in Israel their brothers and sisters!!! It's bonkers! I really believe that dispensationalism is one of the biggest heresies in the church. It's literally Satanic and undermines the gospel for all nations.
The Lord said to St Paul “Why are you persecuting ME?” That alone says it. Paul was not persecuting “Jews” or national Israel, but Christians, His church, the Body of Christ.
How do dispensationalists read the Parable of the Tenants, found in all three synaptic gospels, and conclude that the Jews are still God's chosen people? Make it make sense for people that don't have a Schofield Bible handy.
They ignore what is found below. Who is now the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary? Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ? (Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30) The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations? 1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Paul’s interpretation in Galatians 3:8.) 2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ? 3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds? 4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh? 5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers? 6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"? 7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost? 8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.) 9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? 10. Watch the RUclips video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church. Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology. Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.” Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107. Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.” Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323. John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated… "...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.” John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.) What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16? (See what Joshua said about the Old Covenant land promise in Josh. 21:43.) Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth? Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups? Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and is it fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 12:18-24? Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church, if the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20? (See also 2 Thess. 1:7-10) If the New Covenant has made the Old Covenant “obsolete” in Hebrews 8:6-13, why would God go back to the Old Covenant system during a future time period? Read the recent book "The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism", by Daniel G. Hummel.
How about...we also read Romans and see where Paul says God isn't finished with Israel, but has a plan for their refinement so that as the O.T says "They will all know ME".
@@markanthony3275 Romans Chapter 11: In its New Covenant context... There is no Plan B of salvation outside of the New Covenant Church in this passage. Plan A is found in verses 23 and 24. In Romans 1:16 Paul said the Gospel was taken "first" to the Jews. This time period can be found in Matt. 10:5-7, and Acts 10:36-38, and Gal. 1:14-18. Many try to claim God never gave the Jews a chance to accept Christ, so there must be some Plan B of salvation before or during the Second Coming of Christ. Romans 1:16 proves they are wrong, since Paul said the Gospel went "first" to the Jews. Many ignore the fact that Peter addressed the crowd as "men of Judea", and as "men of Israel", and as "all the house of Israel" on the Day of Pentecost, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. The Gentiles were not grafted in until several years later. This passage proves Paul was right about the Gospel being taken "first" to the Jews. Were all of the Israelites "partially" hardened in Romans 11, or were part hardened and another part were not hardened? The answer is found in the "remnant" of Romans 11:5. Paul reveals two different groups of Israelites in Romans 9:6-8. There is an Israel of the promise, and an Israel of the flesh. This is part of the context of Romans 11. Paul speaks about the "remnant" of Israel in Romans 9:27. This is also part of the context of Romans 11. Paul starts Romans 11 with two different groups of Israelites. In verse one Paul reveals he is still an Israelite, even after his conversion. Then Paul refers to two different groups of Israelites during the time of Elijah. There were the Baal worshippers, and there was the faithful "remnant". In verse five Paul says there is also a faithful "remnant" of Israelites during his time. This must be the Israelites who have accepted Christ, as on the Day of Pentecost. Paul uses the two olive trees as a symbol of the New Covenant Church made up of believing Israelites, and believing Gentiles grafted together into the same tree. The unbelieving Israelites have been broken off but can be grafted back in through faith in Christ in verses 23-24. Verse 26 is the problem for many modern Christians. What does the verse actually say, and how is it changed by many in the modern Church. I have heard two of our nations famous preachers say the following. "And then all Israel will be saved..." I have heard another say the following. "And all Israel will be saved..." What does God's Word, recorded by the Apostle Paul actually say? Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: The English word "so" is translated from the Greek word "houto", which is an adverb of manner, instead of an adverb of timing. Some have changed the word from "so" to "then", in order to change the meaning of the verse. How will all of the "remnant" of Israel from Romans 9:27 be saved? The answer is found in the verses that precede verse 26 and are found below. Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? Paul quoted from the OT in referring to the Deliverer coming out of Sion to pay for sin. Did this happen at Calvary, or will Jesus die again for His people in the future? Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. Verse 28 can only be understood by looking at how Paul started the passage. He started with two different groups of Israelites and he ends the passage in the same way. There are two different groups of "they" in verse 28. One group of "they" reject Christ and are the enemies of God, and another group of "they" are the election which accept Christ through hearing the Gospel and faith. Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. Based on Luke 21:24b-28, the times of the Gentiles comes to fullness at the Second Coming of Christ. This agrees with what Paul said in Romans 1:16 about the Gospel going “first” to the Jews.
Hank has given a very clear understanding of the Biblical context of who the true Israel is. In response to Hank speaking the truth, here, I as just a commentor, did my own Biblical research on the true Israel, and came to the same understanding of the Biblical context of true Israel. I have placed my research in writing and will share my research with the other commentors, here, as a means of elaborating. The following donated article is 8 paragraphs long, and it is divided in a two part comment - This one, is immediately followed by the the part 2 comment. This might be a bit long for a comment, but it is sure to keep the reader's interest. Ever since the head of the Jewish Agency, declared "The establishment of a Jewish state in Eretz-Israel, to be known as the State of Israel (1948)," many people have capitalized on this one declaration as the official fulfillment of Biblical prophecy. Israel, once again, became an independent, sovereign state, and this is believed to be a fulfilled Biblical prophecy as part of the end-times (Jeremiah 3: 12,14/23: 6/31: 1,6/Ezekiel 37: 21,22). This interpretation is problematic, because currently, Jerusalem is still experiencing what Jeremiah 30: 7 called "The time of Jacob's trouble," and what Jesus called "The times of the Gentiles" in Luke 21: 24: "Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled." This period began with the Babylonian Exile (Or possibly with the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70) and will continue through the tribulation period (Matthew 24/Revelation 11: 2). This period speaks of the portion of the Jews, of whom Christ is unknown to them. Included in the time of "Jacob's trouble," is also the time when he will be saved out of it. Isaiah 11: 12 says "And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth." The physical Jewish Nation, outside Christ, along with all the other Nations of the world, are not exempted from their inclusion of wars, whatever the cause. The Law of Return, a law passed in 1950 in memory of the Holocaust, allows every Jew the right to make immigration, to the State of Israel and to receive a certificate of immigration, which grants the certificate holder an Israeli Citizenship immediately. This stems from Israel's physical identity as the Jewish State, which is connected to the ideology of the gathering of Israel, or the physical return of Old Testament practicing Jews. This physical return of the so-called "Old Testament Jews," which cannot be confused with Christ's gathering of the dispersed, is the cause for their most recent (Since 1948) portion of "Jacob's trouble" with the Palestinian Arabs, while simultaneously, Christ is also presently gathering the dispersed of Judah unto Himself, from the four corners of the earth. The idea, then, that ten tribes of Israel were "Lost” is false. The earliest appearance of the fable is in the apocrypha, in 2 Esdras 13: 40-46, where they are said to have gone to "A country where never man kind dwelt, that they might there keep the statutes which they never kept in their own land." The truth is that the "Lost tribes of Israel" were never really lost. Many of the Jews who remained in the land after the Assyrian conquest re-united with Judah in the South (2 Chronicles 34: 6-9). Assyria was later conquered by Babylon, who went on to invade the Southern Kingdom of Israel, deporting the two remaining tribes: Judah and Benjamin (2 Kings 25: 21). Remnants of the Northern tribes would have thus been part of the Babylonian deportations. Seventy years later, when King Cyrus allowed the Israelites to return to Israel (Ezra 1), many (From all twelve tribes) returned to Israel to rebuild their homeland. God knows where all twelve tribes are, and, as the Bible itself proves, they are all accounted for. In the end times, God will call out witnesses from each of the twelve tribes (Revelation 7: 4-8). Jesus was born as a Jew under the Law, fulfilled the Jewish Law perfectly, and died as a once-for-all sacrifice on behalf of all who would put their faith in Him (Galatians 4: 4-5/Hebrews 9: 14-15, 23-28). The prophetess Anna (Luke 2: 36) was from the tribe of Asher (One of the ten supposedly lost tribes). Anna wasn’t lost at all. Both Zechariah and Elisabeth - and therefore John the Baptist - are from the tribe of Levi (Luke 1: 5). St. Paul was a Jew in the Tribe of Benjamin (Phillippians 3: 5), and though it was his custom to preach first in the synagogue when entering a new city (Acts 17: 2), Paul calls himself the apostle to the Gentiles (Romans 11: 13). Jesus promises the disciples that they will "Sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel (Luke 22: 30)." St. Paul (Acts 26: 7), like St. James (James 1: 1), assumes the twelve tribes to be all alike sharers in the same hope of Israel, and ignores the legend, so often repeated and revived, that the ten tribes of the Northern kingdom of Israel, after they had been carried away by Salmaneser, had wandered far away, and were to be found, under some strange disguise, in far-off regions of the world. Since the beginning of the New Testament Age (From the time of Christ), the Gospel was preached first to the Jews. The Jews (representative of Israel) have the covenant. The Gospel is first for the covenanted people. Then the covenanted people are to be a light to the Gentiles. God chose Israel to be His witnesses. It was believing Jews who first brought the Gospel of Christ to both unbelieving Jews and Gentiles. Paul expresses his yearning in Romans 10: 1-4: "Brothers and sisters, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes." Although Paul was a Jew who loved his own people, he knew that in Christ Jews and Gentiles had been brought together, as he explains in Ephesians 2: 11-22. Scripture tells us to "Pray for the peace of Jerusalem (Psalm 122:6)," which means that praying souls not only are to pray for themselves, but they are to pray for others as well. Asking God for the peace of Jerusalem means to pray that Christ (The peace), who, from the Old Testament time, had not yet come in the flesh, might come. After the prayer for the coming of Christ was answered, those people who did not recognize, or know that they were in the presence of God the Son, did not recognize that God had answered their prayers (Luke 19: 41-42), but those people who believed, recognized that God the Father had sent God the Son to Earth. Jesus, God the Son, or the Peace of Jerusalem had come to Earth, as fully God and fully human, to give humankind His peace. After Christ suffered and died on the cross, to wash away the sins of mankind, and to reconcile mankind to God the Father, Christ arose from the dead, and He conquered death for mankind, and then He ascended to heaven in His glorified body. Still, we pray for the Peace of Jerusalem to come, not only when we ask Christ to ask God the Father to send us God the Holy Spirit, but we also pray for Christ's second coming, in His glorified body, to restore all things (Acts 3: 21). 1 Corinthians 16: 22 uses the term "Maranatha," meaning "Our Lord, come!" Here, "Our Lord, come" is prayed in the present-tense, and the future-tense. In the present-tense, the "Our Lord, come" asks the Lord that the written Gospel would be preached, through believing Jews and Gentiles, in Christ, by the coming of the Holy Spirit ("Kumbayah" meaning "Come by here"), to the lost Jews and Gentiles. In the future-tense, the "Our Lord, come" asks for the full culmination of the return of Christ.
I believe there will be a certain number of Jews saved when the time comes. I agree that Paul wrote and I wrote I think in ch 11 that some Jews which is Israel. I could be wrong but that is how I understood it
@@MrWisdomseekr I am not suggesting that the premil dispensational view is correct, but Paul does seem to make a distinction here between natural born Jews and others...
@@husq48 The natural vs grafted branches is not germane to the question. The question of Israel Fullfilled is what are the branches grafted into? The ans. is the vine which is Christ where he is the fullfillment of all the promises to Israel. Remember he fullfills the law as well. Again it's truly all about him.
There is a Jewish ethnos, there is now a nation of Israel and there is the land. The land is very much the issue. The land cannot be spiritualised away. The Catholic Church has a vested interest in the land, so does the Orthodox Church, the Lutheran Church and of course so does Islam. The battle for the Jerusalem gives away its importance. Christ will return and he will establish His throne at Jerusalem and He will reign during His millennium. This was the belief of Justin Martyr and Irenaeus. This was the belief of Martin Luther.
Good answer! Zionism was in the mind of God before the world existed. God is the original Zionist. In the Bible God calls Jerusalem "Zion". He also calls the mountains of Israel "Zion", and He calls the land of Israel "Zion". But He also calls the people of Israel "Zion". The land, the people and the city of Jerusalem are indivisible.
John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. If there is only one fold, what is that fold called? Israel will not be saved until they come to Jesus. When they come to Jesus, they are the church. So yes, the only Israel is the church, and the only church is Israel. The messianic kingdom was never about this flesh. It was always spirit. We were never going to live forever anyway, unless we come through Jesus, who is the only way, truth, and eternal life. Everyone who believes that Jesus is the messiah is Israel. No one who does not believe that Jesus is the messiah is Israel. Therefore, when the last person who will come to belief in Jesus, comes to belief in Jesus, then all Israel will be saved. The church is Israel and is the fulfillment of the promises God made to Adam, Noah, Abraham, Israel, and Moses. Not a replacement at all, but a fulfillment and inclusion. The final fulfillment is to be accomplished in the millennial kingdom. His kingdom is not of this world. Any "apparent" fulfillment in this present world is an antichrist counterfeit. This idea people have of separating gentile believers from Jewish believers is unbiblical. Unbelieving Jews will not be saved anyway. Neither will unbelieving gentiles. There is no gentile church. There is only an Israel church with whom gentiles have been blessed to conjunct. Matthew 21:42-44 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. The Complete Fulfillment The messianic prophecies were always meant to be fulfilled in the first resurrection and in the millennial kingdom. All Israel will only be saved in a remnant. A remnant is a very small leftover from a much larger whole. The Jewish misunderstanding that the messianic kingdom would be fulfilled in this present time and among the physical nation of Israel was always wrong; which is why they rejected Him the first time. John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. Romans 11:4-5 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. All believers, Jews and Greeks, will be revived and rule with Christ on the third day. There is no "church age". That is not found in the Bible. Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. -John the baptizer Galatians 3:16-18 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made;... Luke 3:9 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Matthew 8:11-12 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Romans 9:26-29 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God. Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha. Romans 2:28-29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. Romans 9:6-8 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. Romans 11:25-26 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: Most people think that gentile means any people who are not Jews. Gentile means heathen, and heathen are people who do not know the true God. Even the people we call Jews, those who reject Jesus, are heathen or gentile. Even the unbelieving Jews are gentiles treading down the holy city. Luke 21:24 could be translated this way: ...: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the unbelievers, until the times of the unbelievers be fulfilled. Just as God changed Jacob's name to Israel, He changes our name to Israel when we believe in Jesus. Everyone who believes in Jesus is Israel. No one else is. Therefore, "all Israel shall be saved." Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek [Gentile], there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. Ephesians 2:11-22 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
We were grafted into the tree, but it’s the same root as before, and the former branches are waiting to be grafted back in. Replacement theology is residual antisemitism left over from the Roman church and carried over into the reformation.
Hank is right, in Matthew 25:31-46 ... In the kingdom, "All" we see are goats and sheep... Nothing else... You are either a sheep or a goat... After the goats are cast out, there will only be SHEEP...
Mathew ch 24 is about what will happen to ISRAEL...the sheep and the goats is about what will happen to the nations according to how they treated Israel.
@@markanthony3275 you mean like in 2 Chronicles 19:2... Where king Jehoshaphat helped Israel and was destroyed as well, because they helped the ungodly and loved those (Israel) that hated the Lord???
@@robertputt7794 No...that's different because Israel was a rebellious ungodly part of the original nation at that time in history, so they were under God's judgement. When God considers any blessing or curse against those who are for or against Israel...He means the whole Israel...Israel united as a nation. When Jesus said those words, He was referring to the future Israel, the one that He brought back to life in 1948. We know this because He just finished telling them in Mathew ch 24 about what would happen to Israel during the "Time of Jacob's trouble" or... the Tribulation.
The New Covenant Church is the firstfruits of Isarel, the Holy Innocent babies beheaded by Herod and resurrected with Christ. If we believe God raised Him and Them we are added to the Church of the Firstborn written in heaven and we are saved as long as we stand in this truth.
It's not replacement theology is that we became one with Israel because of Jesus Christ who is the seed of Abraham. --- The Bible (Gen. 12:3) does NOT say 'he who blesses Israel will be blessed.' "It does not say anything about Israel, but that all families will be blessed through Abraham, that is, through his seed Jesus Christ! In the book of Galatians Paul makes it clear that now the Seed of Abraham is Christ. That is why he said that Abraham was looking for a temple not made by the hands of human beings of men. This is why Jesus Christ said that that's at the temple was going to be destroyed when he proclaimed judgment upon old Covenant Israel of his generation of the first century . Jesus Christ said but I will raise it up he never said that a third Temple was going to be made by human beings and that's what Paul is trying to say Christians I'm going to tell you one thing you better stop accepting all this that's coming out where people are taking just verses of the Bible and not giving you the Whole story
Really? So...I read in Ezeliel ch 45-48 about the redistribution of the land of Israel after Jesus Christ's second coming...seeing as how we are one with them, will we also inherit the land and have it allotted to us...or is that strictly for jews? Cause if it's strictly for jews , then I guess we aren't exactly ONE with them , are we?
Christians are fully inside Christ. We trust and believe and follow - Also God has not abandoned His ancient people. We are waiting until the "Fullness of the Gentiles."" Also, there are Messianic Jewish people as well ( Jews who accept Christ ). Enough of the Jewish hatred and anti-Semitic rants. The promise to Abraham stands in Christ spiritually.
You are wrong, race doesn't matter to God, it only matters to man, Galatians 5:6 NKJV " For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love."
@@oreally8605 These are your actual words, you stated the following, "Also God has not abandoned His ancient people." So allow me to ask you, if all Christians, both Jew and Gentile, are "God's People", then who are these ancient people that you are referring to in your previous statement?
@@MainPointMinistries Israel from times past, unto today. God's ancient promise to Abraham. The gospel was to the Jew first, then the gentile. Are you saying that Jewish people aren't going to eventually accept Christ during the great tribulation? Are you saying that Jewish people can't be saved? Because that's all I was saying.
"Do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham" (Matthew 3:9). "Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham" (Galatians 3:7). "A man is not a Jew because he is one outwardly, nor is circumcision only outward and physical. No, a man is a Jew because he is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit" (Romans 2:28). "If you belong to Christ, then you are children of Abraham and heirs according to the promise [ that all nations will be blessed through you ]" (Galatians 3:29). Israel is not the Jewish people. Israel is God's chosen people- all those who are "chosen in Christ from before the foundation of the world" (Ephesians 1:4). Those are the Christians. True Israel is the Church, and always has been.
@@LoganBaty Oh, the passage speaks for itself, all right. But the passage says nothing about modern Israel or the Jewish people. That is because true Israel is the one covenant people of God, the chosen people- "chosen in Christ from before the foundation of the world" (Ephesians 1:4). As far as Romans 11 is concerned, "All Israel" is the Church, the "new creation in Christ," and always has been. The passage has nothing to do with the land of Palestine, or the race of people we call Jews.
You seem to be a professing Christian, at least from your response to date, so I will address you as such. In the passage referred to Paul (in fact all of Chapter 11) Paul clearly identifies Israel in terms of them being the lineal, natural descendants of the Patriarchs Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. These are the natural heirs of the Promises of God regarding the Messiah and justification by faith in Him. Whether ALL of the Jews ultimately inherit those promises we can leave for another discussion. The Gentiles are those from outside (us) who are grafted into the vine that Israel represents. Again, Paul is clear on that point. We are co-heirs by faith. You say that the 'passage has nothing to do with the land ... or the 'race we call Jews". To be frank that is, in the light of the Scripture, utter nonsense! The present-day Jews trace their national history to the Patriarchs. Any competent history confirms that fact and they are therefore 'Israel' as envisaged by Paul's letters and the natural inheritors of the Promises. The Scripture looks forward to them being saved by grace after the end of the period God has allowed for the Gentiles to be saved by the Gospel. You may not like that fact but as Paul teaches us you should not become conceited. You stand by God's mercy and if He choses to extend that mercy to others, including todays nation of Israel it has nothing to do with Him having your approval. He is sovereign after all.
@@LoganBaty Paul never identifies Israel in terms of lineal descent from Abraham. In fact, Paul explicitly denies that family ties to Abraham makes you a descendant of Abraham. So does Jesus. It doesn't matter if Jews think they trace their lineage back to Abraham: "Do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham" (Matthew 3:9). "Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham" (Galatians 3:7). "A man is not a Jew because he is one outwardly, nor is circumcision only outward and physical. No, a man is a Jew because he is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit" (Romans 2:28). "If you belong to Christ, then you are children of Abraham and heirs according to the promise [ that all nations will be blessed through you ]" (Galatians 3:9). Israel is not the Jewish people. Israel is God's chosen people- all those who are "chosen in Christ from before the foundation of the world" (Ephesians 1:4). Those are the Christians. True Israel is the Church, and always has been.
I respectfully disagree. I believe partial preterism because full preterism says Christ has returned and he certainly has not as the word makes it abundantly clear that he will return bodily with all his angels at the second coming and resurrect all the dead throughout history and then judge the living and the dead .
@@ryanhart3159 Some writers believe God came in Judgement with his angels during 70AD Jerusalem destruction. This was common Jewish symbology in OT verses during judgement. Jewish Roman writer Josephus who witnessed the event wrote about some very strange happenings during this siege. But i also agree with Partial Preterism
@@ryanhart3159 In Matthew 24:34 (New International Version), Jesus says: "Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." Jesus is responding to his disciples' questions about the end times and the signs of His coming. He describes various events, including the destruction of the temple and the coming of the Son of Man. Jesus returned in 70 AD and destroyed the temple as promised. The Second Coming of Jesus has already occurred, and the prophecies related to this event, particularly those found in the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21), were fulfilled in the first century. Jesus returned spiritually, inaugurating a new phase in the history of the Church and establishing the spiritual reign of Christ. The destruction of the temple in 70 AD is a crucial historical event marking the fulfillment of Jesus' prophetic words. The Second Coming is not a future event but a past one, tied to the historical circumstances of the first-century Jewish-Roman War.
@@1Whipperin simple question: And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Mat24:31 what historical activity (that you would say has been completed) corresponds to Mat24:31 above?
@AnHebrewChild From a full preterist perspective, this verse is seen as describing the gathering of the elect or the followers of Jesus in a spiritual sense during the events surrounding the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD. The use of apocalyptic language and symbolism in Matthew 24 is interpreted to convey the spiritual significance of those historical events.
Those first Jewish Christians who fled Israel because of the persecution that started after the death of Stephen would have gone throughout the Roman Empire taking the message of Jesus Christ to already established, and sizable, Jewish communities and synagogues all over the Roman Empire. Through the Jews, God demonstrated His love and holiness to the world: “Theirs is the adoption to sonship; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises. Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah (Romans 9:4-5)." It was through the seed of Abraham that "All peoples on earth will be blessed (Acts 3: 25/Genesis 22: 18/ 26: 4)." That promised blessing came through Jesus Christ, as explained in Galatians 3: 16. When Paul speaks of the gospel bringing salvation "First to the Jew,” in Romans 1: 16, he alludes to the special relationship the Jews had to the Messiah. The Christ was the Son of David, and the hope of the Messiah had long been held by the Jews (Luke 2: 38). So, when the Gospel of Christ was first proclaimed, the Jews had priority. Paul said that the power of God in the Gospel "Brings salvation to everyone who believes: First to the Jew, then to the Gentile." God did not cease saving Jews in order to save Gentiles. Today, we call saved Jews Messianic Jews. In Acts 11: 19, we see the word used referring to Jewish Christians, who "Scattered after the persecution that arose over Stephen, and traveled as far as Phoenicia, Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to no one but the Jews only." We see the Gospel being spread as the persecution of Jewish Christians began in Jerusalem, so the Jewish Christians were "Scattered" or dispersed "Throughout the regions of Judea and Samaria" and "Those that were scattered went everywhere preaching the word (Acts 8: 1-4)." The spreading of millions of Jews throughout the Roman Empire served as a key part in the rapid spread of the gospel. Salvation is from the Jews (John 4: 22). In other words, salvation comes to us Gentiles from the root of God’s covenant with the Jews. In all of his missionary journeys, Paul continued to preach first in the synagogues. God continues to desire the salvation of all the world (John 3: 16-18/1 Timothy 2: 4). Today, we call saved Jews Messianic Jews, and they are all descendants of the Twelve Tribes of Israel, albeit the descendants of the 12 tribes cannot identify the name of the specific tribe of their belonging. From this, we are shown that there is ample evidence in Scripture that all twelve tribes of Israel are still in existence and will be in the Messianic kingdom. None of them are lost. As Jewish Christians were forced to flee Jerusalem due to persecution, they were able to travel to almost any part of the world and find a Jewish population and a Jewish synagogue from which to share the Gospel of Christ. Because the Jews already knew the Old Testament, the background was set and the timing was perfect for the Gospel to spread throughout the nations. James opened his letter with the greeting which said "James, a servant of God," and "To the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad." St. James's Epistle, to Jews of the dispersion, shows that such expressions are important as tending to show that the Jews were regarded as representing, not simply the tribes of Benjamin and Judah, but the whole nation. James addressed his letter to believing Jews who were of the several tribes of Israel, and which were in number "Twelve," according to the number and names of the twelve patriarchs, the sons of Jacob. The Christian Jews, who were scattered abroad upon the persecution raised at the death of Stephen, Acts 8: 1, were the posterity (Future generations) of those who had been dispersed in former captivities, by the Assyrians and others, and who remained in the several countries whither they were carried, and never returned. The Jews who say that the ten tribes will never return, and that they will have no part nor portion in the world to come, these Jews were met with the Gospel in their dispersion, and by it they were effectually called and converted, and are the same that Peter writes to, 1 Peter 1: 1/2 Peter 1: 1. Thus, we read of an hundred and forty and four thousand sealed of all the tribes of Israel, Revelation 7:4, and to these the apostle here sends greeting, and it includes all that grace, mercy, and peace, mentioned in the usual forms of salutation by the other apostles. The same form is used in Acts 15: 23, and since it was James that gave the advice there, which the rest of the apostles and elders came into, it is highly probable that the epistles sent to the Gentiles were dictated by him; and the likeness of the form of salutation may confirm his being the writer of this epistle (Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible).
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The church is God's people. It always has been.
Amen. One people of God throughout human history, that is all who are in Christ from before the foundation of the world. Jesus said, "All that the Father giveth Me shall come to Me, and him that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out." And, "No man can come to Me unless the Father who hath sent Me draw him; and I will raise him up at the Last Day." John 6:44 Soli Deo Gloria!
The Church is the fulfillment of true Israel, the Israel of God, both Old Testament Saints and New Testament Saints. There is only one people of God and they are connected by the cross of Christ!!!🙏❤️
This is a great, concise answer Ryan!
Beautiful answer. God's chosen were always those through faith. The entire Bible is about Jesus & God's redemptive plan. Israel were just players in it, not the focus. Jesus is the focus.
@@missajimnigIsrael was chosen to bring the glory of God to the nations and also bring forth the promised Messiah to fulfill the entire law of God to perfection, And Jesus did what Israel could not do, and to fulfill prophecy this is where God went to the nations to also provoke a jealousy within Israel because of their disbelief and partially hardened their hearts for a time! The body of Christ and Israel cannot be separated as dispensationalists do! Israel is filled with believers of all nations! The nation of Israel still needs to believe on the chosen One of God! One people of faith united in Christ! The nation of Israel today is just like any other nation on this planet although God will provide salvation to them, but few will heed the calling as scriptures say! The old covenant is fulfilled in Christ and we are under the new covenant established by his death and ressurection! The big circle from the fall to Eschaton is almost completed! Getting back to paradise soon! New Jerusalem! We will be able to eat freely from the tree of life! So excited
Excellent response to this man's questions!
The Church is the Israel of God.
I believe that is wrong. Jesus is Israel. He is the Fullfillment of the promises
@@MrScott00 Matthew 21:33-46, Galatian’s 4:21-31,
Romans 2:26-29, Hebrew 12:22-24
The true Jew is the one whose citizenship is in the heavenly Jerusalem.
Gal 6:16 was understood to be a reference to Christians until the mid 1800s. Still is understood to be a reference to Christians by a vast majority of global Christianity...
@@jilesbo9175 Jesus equates the Church to Himself.
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Isreal was never physical... the true Israel was always a people of faith... we as people of faith have joined all those who preceeded us.
Israel is physical. Jews are known to be the Children of Israel. Christians, on the other hand, are called the Children of God. They are from many tongues, and Nations. Those that walk by the Spirit/spirit, that is. Jesus promised His mother He would come back and sit on the physical Throne of David when He returned. The Jews inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. Born again believers inherit the Kingdom of God, as joint heirs with Christ. Hallelujah!!! Be blessed!!!
Hank nailed it! Jesus Christ is Israel the true vine. Not Old Covenant Israel and Not the Church! It's all about our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ 🙏.
I talk to a lot of Christian Zionists online and tell them this, but it's like their ears are stopped and their eyes are blind. No matter how much Scripture I give them about the new covenant people of God being only believers in Christ. They call me names, like "apostate of the last days", that I am deceived, I don't read the Bible, or I don't understand the Bible, that we re commanded to love and pray for Israel, that God is going to curse me because I'm cursing Israel... on and on it's very bizarre! They call the unsaved Jews in Israel their brothers and sisters!!! It's bonkers! I really believe that dispensationalism is one of the biggest heresies in the church. It's literally Satanic and undermines the gospel for all nations.
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The Lord said to St Paul “Why are you persecuting ME?” That alone says it. Paul was not persecuting “Jews” or national Israel, but Christians, His church, the Body of Christ.
Terrific response
God bless you
Israel and the church are 2 different groups.
If u read the story of Israel, God has a plan for them, and the church has a different story.
How do dispensationalists read the Parable of the Tenants, found in all three synaptic gospels, and conclude that the Jews are still God's chosen people?
Make it make sense for people that don't have a Schofield Bible handy.
They ignore what is found below.
Who is now the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary?
Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?
(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)
The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?
1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Paul’s interpretation in Galatians 3:8.)
2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?
3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?
4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?
5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?
6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?
7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?
8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)
9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
10. Watch the RUclips video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.
Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.
Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.
Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.
John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…
"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”
John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25
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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)
What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?
(See what Joshua said about the Old Covenant land promise in Josh. 21:43.)
Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?
Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?
Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and is it fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 12:18-24?
Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church, if the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20? (See also 2 Thess. 1:7-10) If the New Covenant has made the Old Covenant “obsolete” in Hebrews 8:6-13, why would God go back to the Old Covenant system during a future time period?
Read the recent book "The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism", by Daniel G. Hummel.
How about...we also read Romans and see where Paul says God isn't finished with Israel, but has a plan for their refinement so that as the O.T says "They will all know ME".
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Romans Chapter 11: In its New Covenant context... There is no Plan B of salvation outside of the New Covenant Church in this passage. Plan A is found in verses 23 and 24.
In Romans 1:16 Paul said the Gospel was taken "first" to the Jews. This time period can be found in Matt. 10:5-7, and Acts 10:36-38, and Gal. 1:14-18. Many try to claim God never gave the Jews a chance to accept Christ, so there must be some Plan B of salvation before or during the Second Coming of Christ. Romans 1:16 proves they are wrong, since Paul said the Gospel went "first" to the Jews. Many ignore the fact that Peter addressed the crowd as "men of Judea", and as "men of Israel", and as "all the house of Israel" on the Day of Pentecost, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. The Gentiles were not grafted in until several years later. This passage proves Paul was right about the Gospel being taken "first" to the Jews.
Were all of the Israelites "partially" hardened in Romans 11, or were part hardened and another part were not hardened? The answer is found in the "remnant" of Romans 11:5.
Paul reveals two different groups of Israelites in Romans 9:6-8. There is an Israel of the promise, and an Israel of the flesh. This is part of the context of Romans 11.
Paul speaks about the "remnant" of Israel in Romans 9:27. This is also part of the context of Romans 11.
Paul starts Romans 11 with two different groups of Israelites. In verse one Paul reveals he is still an Israelite, even after his conversion. Then Paul refers to two different groups of Israelites during the time of Elijah. There were the Baal worshippers, and there was the faithful "remnant". In verse five Paul says there is also a faithful "remnant" of Israelites during his time. This must be the Israelites who have accepted Christ, as on the Day of Pentecost.
Paul uses the two olive trees as a symbol of the New Covenant Church made up of believing Israelites, and believing Gentiles grafted together into the same tree. The unbelieving Israelites have been broken off but can be grafted back in through faith in Christ in verses 23-24.
Verse 26 is the problem for many modern Christians. What does the verse actually say, and how is it changed by many in the modern Church.
I have heard two of our nations famous preachers say the following.
"And then all Israel will be saved..."
I have heard another say the following.
"And all Israel will be saved..."
What does God's Word, recorded by the Apostle Paul actually say?
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
The English word "so" is translated from the Greek word "houto", which is an adverb of manner, instead of an adverb of timing. Some have changed the word from "so" to "then", in order to change the meaning of the verse.
How will all of the "remnant" of Israel from Romans 9:27 be saved? The answer is found in the verses that precede verse 26 and are found below.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Paul quoted from the OT in referring to the Deliverer coming out of Sion to pay for sin. Did this happen at Calvary, or will Jesus die again for His people in the future?
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Verse 28 can only be understood by looking at how Paul started the passage. He started with two different groups of Israelites and he ends the passage in the same way. There are two different groups of "they" in verse 28. One group of "they" reject Christ and are the enemies of God, and another group of "they" are the election which accept Christ through hearing the Gospel and faith.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Based on Luke 21:24b-28, the times of the Gentiles comes to fullness at the Second Coming of Christ. This agrees with what Paul said in Romans 1:16 about the Gospel going “first” to the Jews.
Hank has given a very clear understanding of the Biblical context of who the true Israel is. In response to Hank speaking the truth, here, I as just a commentor, did my own Biblical research on the true Israel, and came to the same understanding of the Biblical context of true Israel. I have placed my research in writing and will share my research with the other commentors, here, as a means of elaborating. The following donated article is 8 paragraphs long, and it is divided in a two part comment - This one, is immediately followed by the the part 2 comment. This might be a bit long for a comment, but it is sure to keep the reader's interest.
Ever since the head of the Jewish Agency, declared "The establishment of a Jewish state in Eretz-Israel, to be known as the State of Israel (1948)," many people have capitalized on this one declaration as the official fulfillment of Biblical prophecy. Israel, once again, became an independent, sovereign state, and this is believed to be a fulfilled Biblical prophecy as part of the end-times (Jeremiah 3: 12,14/23: 6/31: 1,6/Ezekiel 37: 21,22). This interpretation is problematic, because currently, Jerusalem is still experiencing what
Jeremiah 30: 7 called "The time of Jacob's trouble," and what Jesus called "The times of the Gentiles" in Luke 21: 24: "Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled." This period began with the Babylonian Exile
(Or possibly with the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70) and will continue through the tribulation period (Matthew 24/Revelation 11: 2). This period speaks of the portion of the Jews, of whom Christ is unknown to them. Included in the time of "Jacob's trouble," is also the time when he will be saved out of it. Isaiah 11: 12 says "And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth."
The physical Jewish Nation, outside Christ, along with all the other Nations of the world, are not exempted from their inclusion of wars, whatever the cause. The Law of Return, a law passed in 1950 in memory of the Holocaust, allows every Jew the right to make immigration, to the State of Israel and to receive a certificate of immigration, which grants the certificate holder an Israeli Citizenship immediately. This stems from Israel's physical identity as the Jewish State, which is connected to the ideology of the gathering of Israel, or the physical return of Old Testament practicing Jews. This physical return of the so-called "Old Testament Jews," which cannot be confused with Christ's gathering of the dispersed, is the cause for their most recent (Since 1948) portion of "Jacob's trouble" with the Palestinian Arabs, while simultaneously, Christ is also presently gathering the dispersed of Judah unto Himself, from the four corners of the earth.
The idea, then, that ten tribes of Israel were "Lost” is false. The earliest appearance of the fable is in the apocrypha, in 2 Esdras 13: 40-46, where they are said to have gone to "A country where never man kind dwelt, that they might there keep the statutes which they never kept in their own land." The truth is that the "Lost tribes of Israel" were never really lost. Many of the Jews who remained in the land after the Assyrian conquest re-united with Judah in the South (2 Chronicles 34: 6-9). Assyria was later conquered by Babylon, who went on to invade the Southern Kingdom of Israel, deporting the two remaining tribes: Judah and Benjamin (2 Kings 25: 21). Remnants of the Northern tribes would have thus been part of the Babylonian deportations. Seventy years later, when King Cyrus allowed the Israelites to return to Israel (Ezra 1), many
(From all twelve tribes) returned to Israel to rebuild their homeland. God knows where all twelve tribes are, and, as the Bible itself proves, they are all accounted for. In the end times, God will call out witnesses from each of the twelve tribes (Revelation 7: 4-8).
Jesus was born as a Jew under the Law, fulfilled the Jewish Law perfectly, and died as a once-for-all sacrifice on behalf of all who would put their faith in Him (Galatians 4: 4-5/Hebrews 9: 14-15, 23-28). The prophetess Anna
(Luke 2: 36) was from the tribe of Asher
(One of the ten supposedly lost tribes). Anna wasn’t lost at all. Both Zechariah and Elisabeth - and therefore John the Baptist - are from the tribe of Levi (Luke 1: 5). St. Paul was a Jew in the Tribe of Benjamin
(Phillippians 3: 5), and though it was his custom to preach first in the synagogue when entering a new city (Acts 17: 2), Paul calls himself the apostle to the Gentiles (Romans 11: 13). Jesus promises the disciples that they will "Sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel (Luke 22: 30)." St. Paul (Acts 26: 7), like St. James (James 1: 1), assumes the twelve tribes to be all alike sharers in the same hope of Israel, and ignores the legend, so often repeated and revived, that the ten tribes of the Northern kingdom of Israel, after they had been carried away by Salmaneser, had wandered far away, and were to be found, under some strange disguise, in far-off regions of the world. Since the beginning of the New Testament Age (From the time of Christ), the Gospel was preached first to the Jews. The Jews (representative of Israel) have the covenant. The Gospel is first for the covenanted people. Then the covenanted people are to be a light to the Gentiles. God chose Israel to be His witnesses. It was believing Jews who first brought the Gospel of Christ to both unbelieving Jews and Gentiles. Paul expresses his yearning in Romans 10: 1-4: "Brothers and sisters, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes." Although Paul was a Jew who loved his own people, he knew that in Christ Jews and Gentiles had been brought together, as he explains in Ephesians 2: 11-22.
Scripture tells us to "Pray for the peace of Jerusalem (Psalm 122:6)," which means that praying souls not only are to pray for themselves, but they are to pray for others as well. Asking God for the peace of Jerusalem means to pray that Christ (The peace), who, from the Old Testament time, had not yet come in the flesh, might come. After the prayer for the coming of Christ was answered, those people who did not recognize, or know that they were in the presence of God the Son, did not recognize that God had answered their prayers (Luke 19: 41-42), but those people who believed, recognized that God the Father had sent God the Son to Earth. Jesus, God the Son, or the Peace of Jerusalem had come to Earth, as fully God and fully human, to give humankind His peace. After Christ suffered and died on the cross, to wash away the sins of mankind, and to reconcile mankind to God the Father, Christ arose from the dead, and He conquered death for mankind, and then He ascended to heaven in His glorified body. Still, we pray for the Peace of Jerusalem to come, not only when we ask Christ to ask God the Father to send us God the Holy Spirit, but we also pray for Christ's second coming, in His glorified body, to restore all things (Acts 3: 21).
1 Corinthians 16: 22 uses the term "Maranatha," meaning "Our Lord, come!" Here, "Our Lord, come" is prayed in the present-tense, and the future-tense. In the present-tense, the "Our Lord, come" asks the Lord that the written Gospel would be preached, through believing Jews and Gentiles, in Christ, by the coming of the Holy Spirit ("Kumbayah" meaning "Come by here"), to the lost Jews and Gentiles. In the future-tense, the "Our Lord, come" asks for the full culmination of the return of Christ.
What about the passage where Paul makes a distinction between "natural olive branches and wild ones?"
Think the wild branches fell off i.e. took the mark of the beast, gentile believers were grafted into the branch
I believe there will be a certain number of Jews saved when the time comes. I agree that Paul wrote and I wrote I think in ch 11 that some Jews which is Israel. I could be wrong but that is how I understood it
I see by their answers that they haven't read that chapter that you mentioned.
@@MrWisdomseekr I am not suggesting that the premil dispensational view is correct, but Paul does seem to make a distinction here between natural born Jews and others...
@@husq48 The natural vs grafted branches is not germane to the question. The question of Israel Fullfilled is what are the branches grafted into? The ans. is the vine which is Christ where he is the fullfillment of all the promises to Israel. Remember he fullfills the law as well. Again it's truly all about him.
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There is a Jewish ethnos, there is now a nation of Israel and there is the land. The land is very much the issue. The land cannot be spiritualised away. The Catholic Church has a vested interest in the land, so does the Orthodox Church, the Lutheran Church and of course so does Islam. The battle for the Jerusalem gives away its importance. Christ will return and he will establish His throne at Jerusalem and He will reign during His millennium. This was the belief of Justin Martyr and Irenaeus. This was the belief of Martin Luther.
Good answer! Zionism was in the mind of God before the world existed. God is the original Zionist. In the Bible God calls Jerusalem "Zion". He also calls the mountains of Israel "Zion", and He calls the land of Israel "Zion". But He also calls the people of Israel "Zion". The land, the people and the city of Jerusalem are indivisible.
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The land of Israel belongs to neither Rome (Romans 9:4) nor Islam (Nehemiah 2:18-20).
All true believers and followers of Christ Jesus are the Israel of Yah.
John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
If there is only one fold, what is that fold called? Israel will not be saved until they come to Jesus. When they come to Jesus, they are the church. So yes, the only Israel is the church, and the only church is Israel.
The messianic kingdom was never about this flesh. It was always spirit. We were never going to live forever anyway, unless we come through Jesus, who is the only way, truth, and eternal life. Everyone who believes that Jesus is the messiah is Israel. No one who does not believe that Jesus is the messiah is Israel. Therefore, when the last person who will come to belief in Jesus, comes to belief in Jesus, then all Israel will be saved.
The church is Israel and is the fulfillment of the promises God made to Adam, Noah, Abraham, Israel, and Moses. Not a replacement at all, but a fulfillment and inclusion. The final fulfillment is to be accomplished in the millennial kingdom. His kingdom is not of this world. Any "apparent" fulfillment in this present world is an antichrist counterfeit.
This idea people have of separating gentile believers from Jewish believers is unbiblical. Unbelieving Jews will not be saved anyway. Neither will unbelieving gentiles. There is no gentile church. There is only an Israel church with whom gentiles have been blessed to conjunct.
Matthew 21:42-44 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
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The messianic prophecies were always meant to be fulfilled in the first resurrection and in the millennial kingdom. All Israel will only be saved in a remnant. A remnant is a very small leftover from a much larger whole. The Jewish misunderstanding that the messianic kingdom would be fulfilled in this present time and among the physical nation of Israel was always wrong; which is why they rejected Him the first time.
John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Romans 11:4-5 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
All believers, Jews and Greeks, will be revived and rule with Christ on the third day. There is no "church age". That is not found in the Bible.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. -John the baptizer
Galatians 3:16-18 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made;...
Luke 3:9 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Matthew 8:11-12 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Romans 9:26-29 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God. Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.
Romans 2:28-29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Romans 9:6-8 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Romans 11:25-26 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved:
Most people think that gentile means any people who are not Jews. Gentile means heathen, and heathen are people who do not know the true God. Even the people we call Jews, those who reject Jesus, are heathen or gentile. Even the unbelieving Jews are gentiles treading down the holy city. Luke 21:24 could be translated this way: ...: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the unbelievers, until the times of the unbelievers be fulfilled.
Just as God changed Jacob's name to Israel, He changes our name to Israel when we believe in Jesus. Everyone who believes in Jesus is Israel. No one else is. Therefore, "all Israel shall be saved."
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek [Gentile], there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Ephesians 2:11-22 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
We were grafted into the tree, but it’s the same root as before, and the former branches are waiting to be grafted back in. Replacement theology is residual antisemitism left over from the Roman church and carried over into the reformation.
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Hank is right, in Matthew 25:31-46 ... In the kingdom, "All" we see are goats and sheep... Nothing else... You are either a sheep or a goat... After the goats are cast out, there will only be SHEEP...
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Mathew ch 24 is about what will happen to ISRAEL...the sheep and the goats is about what will happen to the nations according to how they treated Israel.
@@markanthony3275 you mean like in 2 Chronicles 19:2... Where king Jehoshaphat helped Israel and was destroyed as well, because they helped the ungodly and loved those (Israel) that hated the Lord???
@@robertputt7794 No...that's different because Israel was a rebellious ungodly part of the original nation at that time in history, so they were under God's judgement. When God considers any blessing or curse against those who are for or against Israel...He means the whole Israel...Israel united as a nation. When Jesus said those words, He was referring to the future Israel, the one that He brought back to life in 1948. We know this because He just finished telling them in Mathew ch 24 about what would happen to Israel during the "Time of Jacob's trouble" or... the Tribulation.
@@markanthony3275 then let me ask you this... Is Isaiah chapter 11, future or past?
Israel has always been the Church. Romans 9:6
Israel are God’s people not the Church! The Church are the believers who trust and believe in Jesus!
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Jesus is not the GOD of Israel.
Jesus has a GOD.
And he worships that GOD.
JOHN 4 v 22.
Ye worship ye know not what.
John 1:1
Jesus is God. The same God in the Flesh who changed Jacob's name to Israel in Genesis.
@@majorrager3353 exactly. 👍
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All the promises to Abraham were fulfilled in Christ! Hebrews tells us Abraham was looking for a city not made with hands!
The New Covenant Church is the firstfruits of Isarel, the Holy Innocent babies beheaded by Herod and resurrected with Christ. If we believe God raised Him and Them we are added to the Church of the Firstborn written in heaven and we are saved as long as we stand in this truth.
It's not replacement theology is that we became one with Israel because of Jesus Christ who is the seed of Abraham. --- The Bible (Gen. 12:3) does NOT say 'he who blesses Israel will be blessed.' "It does not say anything about Israel, but that all families will be blessed through Abraham, that is, through his seed Jesus Christ! In the book of Galatians Paul makes it clear that now the Seed of Abraham is Christ. That is why he said that Abraham was looking for a temple not made by the hands of human beings of men. This is why Jesus Christ said that that's at the temple was going to be destroyed when he proclaimed judgment upon old Covenant Israel of his generation of the first century . Jesus Christ said but I will raise it up he never said that a third Temple was going to be made by human beings and that's what Paul is trying to say Christians I'm going to tell you one thing you better stop accepting all this that's coming out where people are taking just verses of the Bible and not giving you the
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Really? So...I read in Ezeliel ch 45-48 about the redistribution of the land of Israel after Jesus Christ's second coming...seeing as how we are one with them, will we also inherit the land and have it allotted to us...or is that strictly for jews? Cause if it's strictly for jews , then I guess we aren't exactly ONE with them , are we?
Christians are fully inside Christ. We trust and believe and follow - Also God has not abandoned His ancient people. We are waiting until the "Fullness of the Gentiles."" Also, there are Messianic Jewish people as well ( Jews who accept Christ ). Enough of the Jewish hatred and anti-Semitic rants. The promise to Abraham stands in Christ spiritually.
You are wrong, race doesn't matter to God, it only matters to man,
Galatians 5:6 NKJV
" For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love."
@MainPointMinistries I think I just said that in a round about way. 😊
@@oreally8605 These are your actual words, you stated the following, "Also God has not abandoned His ancient people." So allow me to ask you, if all Christians, both Jew and Gentile, are "God's People", then who are these ancient people that you are referring to in your previous statement?
Hmmmmm, Ezekiel 44 verses 6 to 9 ???
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@@MainPointMinistries Israel from times past, unto today. God's ancient promise to Abraham. The gospel was to the Jew first, then the gentile. Are you saying that Jewish people aren't going to eventually accept Christ during the great tribulation? Are you saying that Jewish people can't be saved? Because that's all I was saying.
Joel 2:28-32 was clearly fulfilled at the day of Pentecost. Read Acts 2:1-21. There was nothing spiritualized about that???
"Do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham" (Matthew 3:9).
"Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham" (Galatians 3:7).
"A man is not a Jew because he is one outwardly, nor is circumcision only outward and physical. No, a man is a Jew because he is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit" (Romans 2:28).
"If you belong to Christ, then you are children of Abraham and heirs according to the promise [ that all nations will be blessed through you ]" (Galatians 3:29).
Israel is not the Jewish people. Israel is God's chosen people- all those who are "chosen in Christ from before the foundation of the world" (Ephesians 1:4). Those are the Christians.
True Israel is the Church, and always has been.
The Apostle Paul had to deal with this nonsense even in his time read Romans chapter 11.
Romans 11:25 - 29
What does that passage have to do with modern day Israel?
@@theMolluskMan The passage speaks for itself, doesn't it? Why do you assert that it doesn't.?
@@LoganBaty Oh, the passage speaks for itself, all right. But the passage says nothing about modern Israel or the Jewish people. That is because true Israel is the one covenant people of God, the chosen people- "chosen in Christ from before the foundation of the world" (Ephesians 1:4). As far as Romans 11 is concerned, "All Israel" is the Church, the "new creation in Christ," and always has been. The passage has nothing to do with the land of Palestine, or the race of people we call Jews.
You seem to be a professing Christian, at least from your response to date, so I will address you as such.
In the passage referred to Paul (in fact all of Chapter 11) Paul clearly identifies Israel in terms of them being the lineal, natural descendants of the Patriarchs Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. These are the natural heirs of the Promises of God regarding the Messiah and justification by faith in Him. Whether ALL of the Jews ultimately inherit those promises we can leave for another discussion. The Gentiles are those from outside (us) who are grafted into the vine that Israel represents. Again, Paul is clear on that point. We are co-heirs by faith.
You say that the 'passage has nothing to do with the land ... or the 'race we call Jews". To be frank that is, in the light of the Scripture, utter nonsense! The present-day Jews trace their national history to the Patriarchs. Any competent history confirms that fact and they are therefore 'Israel' as envisaged by Paul's letters and the natural inheritors of the Promises. The Scripture looks forward to them being saved by grace after the end of the period God has allowed for the Gentiles to be saved by the Gospel.
You may not like that fact but as Paul teaches us you should not become conceited. You stand by God's mercy and if He choses to extend that mercy to others, including todays nation of Israel it has nothing to do with Him having your approval. He is sovereign after all.
@@LoganBaty Paul never identifies Israel in terms of lineal descent from Abraham. In fact, Paul explicitly denies that family ties to Abraham makes you a descendant of Abraham. So does Jesus.
It doesn't matter if Jews think they trace their lineage back to Abraham:
"Do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham" (Matthew 3:9).
"Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham" (Galatians 3:7).
"A man is not a Jew because he is one outwardly, nor is circumcision only outward and physical. No, a man is a Jew because he is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit" (Romans 2:28).
"If you belong to Christ, then you are children of Abraham and heirs according to the promise [ that all nations will be blessed through you ]" (Galatians 3:9).
Israel is not the Jewish people. Israel is God's chosen people- all those who are "chosen in Christ from before the foundation of the world" (Ephesians 1:4).
Those are the Christians. True Israel is the Church, and always has been.
Full preterism is the Biblically consistent way to understand the Bible.
I respectfully disagree. I believe partial preterism because full preterism says Christ has returned and he certainly has not as the word makes it abundantly clear that he will return bodily with all his angels at the second coming and resurrect all the dead throughout history and then judge the living and the dead .
@@ryanhart3159 Some writers believe God came in Judgement with his angels during 70AD Jerusalem destruction. This was common Jewish symbology in OT verses during judgement. Jewish Roman writer Josephus who witnessed the event wrote about some very strange happenings during this siege. But i also agree with Partial Preterism
@@ryanhart3159 In Matthew 24:34 (New International Version), Jesus says:
"Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened."
Jesus is responding to his disciples' questions about the end times and the signs of His coming. He describes various events, including the destruction of the temple and the coming of the Son of Man. Jesus returned in 70 AD and destroyed the temple as promised.
The Second Coming of Jesus has already occurred, and the prophecies related to this event, particularly those found in the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21), were fulfilled in the first century.
Jesus returned spiritually, inaugurating a new phase in the history of the Church and establishing the spiritual reign of Christ. The destruction of the temple in 70 AD is a crucial historical event marking the fulfillment of Jesus' prophetic words.
The Second Coming is not a future event but a past one, tied to the historical circumstances of the first-century Jewish-Roman War.
@@1Whipperin simple question:
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Mat24:31
what historical activity (that you would say has been completed) corresponds to Mat24:31 above?
@AnHebrewChild From a full preterist perspective, this verse is seen as describing the gathering of the elect or the followers of Jesus in a spiritual sense during the events surrounding the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD. The use of apocalyptic language and symbolism in Matthew 24 is interpreted to convey the spiritual significance of those historical events.
Believers are the Israel of God neither Jew or Gentiles that believe Jesus is the Son of God that came in the flesh.
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Those first Jewish Christians who fled Israel because of the persecution that started after the death of Stephen would have gone throughout the Roman Empire taking the message of Jesus Christ to already established, and sizable, Jewish communities and synagogues all over the Roman Empire. Through the Jews, God demonstrated His love and holiness to the world: “Theirs is the adoption to sonship; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises. Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah (Romans 9:4-5)." It was through the seed of Abraham that "All peoples on earth will be blessed
(Acts 3: 25/Genesis 22: 18/ 26: 4)." That promised blessing came through Jesus Christ, as explained in Galatians 3: 16. When Paul speaks of the gospel bringing salvation "First to the Jew,” in Romans 1: 16, he alludes to the special relationship the Jews had to the Messiah. The Christ was the Son of David, and the hope of the Messiah had long been held by the Jews (Luke 2: 38). So, when the Gospel of Christ was first proclaimed, the Jews had priority. Paul said that the power of God in the Gospel "Brings salvation to everyone who believes: First to the Jew, then to the Gentile." God did not cease saving Jews in order to save Gentiles. Today, we call saved Jews Messianic Jews. In Acts 11: 19, we see the word used referring to Jewish Christians, who "Scattered after the persecution that arose over Stephen, and traveled as far as Phoenicia, Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to no one but the Jews only." We see the Gospel being spread as the persecution of Jewish Christians began in Jerusalem, so the Jewish Christians were "Scattered" or dispersed "Throughout the regions of Judea and Samaria" and "Those that were scattered went everywhere preaching the word (Acts 8: 1-4)." The spreading of millions of Jews throughout the Roman Empire served as a key part in the rapid spread of the gospel. Salvation is from the Jews (John 4: 22). In other words, salvation comes to us Gentiles from the root of God’s covenant with the Jews. In all of his missionary journeys, Paul continued to preach first in the synagogues. God continues to desire the salvation of all the world (John 3: 16-18/1 Timothy 2: 4). Today, we call saved Jews Messianic Jews, and they are all descendants of the Twelve Tribes of Israel, albeit the descendants of the 12 tribes cannot identify the name of the specific tribe of their belonging. From this, we are shown that there is ample evidence in Scripture that all twelve tribes of Israel are still in existence and will be in the Messianic kingdom. None of them are lost.
As Jewish Christians were forced to flee Jerusalem due to persecution, they were able to travel to almost any part of the world and find a Jewish population and a Jewish synagogue from which to share the Gospel of Christ. Because the Jews already knew the Old Testament, the background was set and the timing was perfect for the Gospel to spread throughout the nations. James opened his letter with the greeting which said "James, a servant of God," and "To the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad." St. James's Epistle, to Jews of the dispersion, shows that such expressions are important as tending to show that the Jews were regarded as representing, not simply the tribes of Benjamin and Judah, but the whole nation. James addressed his letter to believing Jews who were of the several tribes of Israel, and which were in number "Twelve," according to the number and names of the twelve patriarchs, the sons of Jacob. The Christian Jews, who were scattered abroad upon the persecution raised at the death of Stephen, Acts 8: 1, were the posterity (Future generations) of those who had been dispersed in former captivities, by the Assyrians and others, and who remained in the several countries whither they were carried, and never returned.
The Jews who say that the ten tribes will never return, and that they will have no part nor portion in the world to come, these Jews were met with the Gospel in their dispersion, and by it they were effectually called and converted, and are the same that Peter writes to, 1 Peter 1: 1/2 Peter 1: 1. Thus, we read of an hundred and forty and four thousand sealed of all the tribes of Israel, Revelation 7:4, and to these the apostle here sends greeting, and it includes all that grace, mercy, and peace, mentioned in the usual forms of salutation by the other apostles. The same form is used in Acts 15: 23, and since it was James that gave the advice there, which the rest of the apostles and elders came into, it is highly probable that the epistles sent to the Gentiles were dictated by him; and the likeness of the form of salutation may confirm his being the writer of this epistle (Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible).