Much of the gang never fully trusted Kieran, even after he saved Arthur's life. It took the O'Driscolls killing him to really cement the idea that he was one of the gang.
Well I mean realistically that would make sense, it be hard to tell any gang to fully trust someone who in their eyes completely flipped on their gang and are now part of them solely because he’ll die without them. He did save Arthur but you could also argue that if he didn’t save Arthur John and Bill would’ve butchered him right there after seeing that Colm wasn’t there, I mean Arthur almost blew his head off because of that. I’m not saying he wasn’t part of the gang I think he was because they treated him way better than the O’Driscoll‘s but I am saying it makes sense why they would think like that. Let’s not forget Dutch even admits he doesn’t trust Micah in the beginning of the game.
When the Pinkertons tried to get the gang to turn Dutch in, in return for giving them a head start to break apart and go their separate ways, everyone drew their weapons to defend him. ... Even Keiran. The same man Dutch threatened to geld is the same one who was ready to fight for him.
During my playthrough, the last time I saw Kieran alive was at the big party at Shady Belle the night little Jack was returned to the gang. My Arthur sang and drank and talked with everyone, even the folks on patrol. Kieran stood alone near the house. I said "Why don't you come over and join us?" It was the first time Arthur said something to him without a joke about being an O'Driscoll or a traitor. Kieran said "Maybe later." He was likely taken that night while everyone was drunk and celebrating, because I could never find him around camp again.
It’s brutal because in both the O’Driscoll and Van Der Linde gang he’s really only a horse keeper. Like he’s not a robber/killer he’s capable of it but avoids it. He did not deserve that brutal of a death.
Maybe her covered in gore was a way to kill the tention, either from the insane fight or maybe because she started accepting Kieran as one of their own@@lufanocorvino
Even if they trusted Kieran or not, the way he was killed was not deserved. I saw the horse coming down to Shady Bell with the rider carrying something in his hands and I thought to myself "there's no way that person is beheaded". But it was. When I found out it was Keiran, it kind of bummed me out because the kid was starting to feel like part of the gang. Sad day indeed.
He was taken away while everyone was celebrating Jack's return He was taking care of the horses alone he got taken, the Odriscolls beated him tortured him for betraying him cut out his eye balls and cut his head off to represent à creature from an old barbaric tradition
I was horrified when I saw that, Dutch bringing in the question I instantly knew something was terribly off then Kieran was shown eye gouged and beheaded I was horrified
I always have felt like Kieran's ticket got punched a bit early. A missed opportunity to create an interesting arc, from a kidnapped, frightened, neglected nobody to a respectable gang member. I mean, they had already lost the Callander boys and Sean by that point. He could have become a reliable, dependable gunslinger as well to try and "fill in" for those abscenses. He was making a conscious effort to put in the work inside camp to be accepted by the gang anyway. Imagine going with him in the mission where Colm swings. I insist, missed opprtunity.
I understand how you feel, but personally I feel like Kieran dying _before_ he gets a chance to fully incorporate into the gang is exactly why his death hits so hard. Everyone in the gang treats him horribly, never accepting him as part of the gang. Even by Chapter 4 everyone still treats him like an outcast. But after his death, everyone starts to realize how much they liked him and regret how they had treated him before. Even Arthur reflects on this (provided you have high Honor), saying how he never repaid him for saving him or even treated him well. Now everyone has to live with the guilt with no way of making up for it. It also makes sense from a narrative perspective, specifically how the circumstances of his death are unique compared to other characters’ deaths up to this point. For example, Davey, Mac, and Jenny (gang members that the player doesn’t know personally) are all dead as soon as the game starts, but each of their deaths is revealed at a different point (Davey immediately, Mac when fishing with Jack, etc.). Then you have Sean, a member who the player actually gets time to interact with and learn about, being shot dead in a situation that was clearly a setup. Finally there’s Kieran, a gang member who you have pretty limited interaction with vanishing and dying so suddenly at a time when you aren’t expecting it. Had Kieran been given more screen time, it might’ve felt too similar to Sean’s death and maybe even be predictable to some players.
I was surprised he didn’t mention Kieran either. I always thought it was just because his death was so dark he just didn’t like thinking about it or he just wasn’t as close to Kieran as he was with the others
Not just after his death tbf, but still way too late. During the party when Jack came back multiple people asked him to join the party iirc. He didn't want to, but I do think the gang started to appreciate him by that point. Arthur became nicer and nicer too as the game went on, by the end if you greeted him it was basically normal conversation like with all the other gang members
something i really like about your channel is that you don't use mods so somethings you do i can do too for example getting micah's revolver early keep making this great content its fun to watch
@@AshwinY since you are here, i wanted to tell you about the glitch i discovered in van horn you go to the shop, you steal the register, but, when you are stealing it, you will always continue to walk, it gets you infinite money
Kieran might be one of the more tragic stories in the game… swept up into a ruthless gang, only to kidnapped, harassed, and tied to a tree by another gang, and then getting killed by the first gang. We have to assume he had history and dreams too. I wanna say he should have ran when he had the chance but, like all the other characters, he seemed to beautiful he can’t make it on his own. They all feel that way really until the very end when the gang falls apart and they are all forced to. But likely most of them have grown and matured by that point
I love Kiaren Mary Beth right he did have a gentle soul he cared for a lot of the gang members he cared for the gang members horses. I liked him a lot he was never like the other O'Driscoll's and I hate what Micah only a person like Micah can be so heartless to say that Kiaren was never a rat Micah can you have no room to speak about that kind of stuff about anybody mr. Trader
I had a funny situation after this mission: Sadie had a talk with Abigail and I had -Girl wash your clothes, Jack can leave any time and you have blood on your sweter
I antagonised him for the rest of the game and it took me multiple times to beat that damn skinner brothers mission because I just didn't have the motivation
Alongside Javier, Kieran was one of my fave npcs, after i finished his mission i was left feeling so sad. I literally had to take a break from story missions and just wander around the map bc holy shit that was thought to process
He was the hardest worker in camp and unfortunately had to stay behind I am happy he never saw what became or was always there of Dutch he would be like I fell back in with the o driscolls
Most of them only cared about him after he died. And then pretended like they liked him or were starting to. Kinda disrespectful and disgusting honestly.
Kieran's death is the saddest in my opinion he was finally being accepted by most of the gang even Bill said he was starting to like Kieran and then he died
I went fishing with him and I bought every lore just because how like-able he was just to impress him with the legendary fish, but when I got back the mission played. They only play our hearts like a fiddle. Curses all to rockstar
Respect for firing a couple of rounds strauss...bastard deserves it for making us do them disgraceful debt collector missions(i do them just so i can watch arthur send strauss out of the gang)
The only members to react on Kieran's tragic death were: Mary-Beth, Bill Williamson, Tilly Jackson, Abigail Roberts, Molly O'Shea (also mentioned Sean's tragic death, too), Charles Smith, Uncle, and Micah Bell. Mary-Beth has the most heart felt reaction for Kieran without doubts. Micah has the top most hated reaction to Kieran voted by many alright. Still, rest in peace, Kieran Duffy. You ain't an O'Driscoll. You ARE a part of the Van der Linde Group. Oh, I truly wished he survived and lived a happy life with Mary-Beth. 😢💔❤️🙏🏻⚰️
I came so close to quitting the game over Kieran’s death. I really thought he was gonna have way more of an important role, even becoming the “big hero” at the end.
O'driscoll boah that always work at the camp, its sad to see him died like that😢. Also, i wonder, is that horse is kieran's horse ? Coz, O driscoll doesnt know their camp right ? So they use kieran horse to lead them to the camp location ? Just like Arthur horse that bring him back to the camp after meet with colm ? If its true, than its so clever...
just bcs she doesn’t care about kieran doesn’t mean she’s a bad person. She clearly cared about arthur, like a lot. Literally risked her life to save john and abigail. Like, go make this kinda of comment about Uncle…
This doesn't seem to work anymore. The only ones to mention it now are Mary-Beth and Charles. The rest of the camp will be sad and dismal, but Arthur still talks like everything is okay.
“Make the bastards pay, Arthur.”
“If we get the chance……we surely shall…OKAY ILL CATCH YA LATER THEN!”
Ya, uh huh.
That's why I never press greet three times while taking to a gang member in camp.
wEEll, I should get back to it!
Never gets old 😂😭
@@munehboino… you should always press greet 3 times
Much of the gang never fully trusted Kieran, even after he saved Arthur's life. It took the O'Driscolls killing him to really cement the idea that he was one of the gang.
Well I mean realistically that would make sense, it be hard to tell any gang to fully trust someone who in their eyes completely flipped on their gang and are now part of them solely because he’ll die without them. He did save Arthur but you could also argue that if he didn’t save Arthur John and Bill would’ve butchered him right there after seeing that Colm wasn’t there, I mean Arthur almost blew his head off because of that.
I’m not saying he wasn’t part of the gang I think he was because they treated him way better than the O’Driscoll‘s but I am saying it makes sense why they would think like that. Let’s not forget Dutch even admits he doesn’t trust Micah in the beginning of the game.
Kinda like the sayin goes… you never know how important someone is until they’re out of your lives.
2:14 And even then, asshole Micah comes in saying otherwise. Ironic.
When the Pinkertons tried to get the gang to turn Dutch in, in return for giving them a head start to break apart and go their separate ways, everyone drew their weapons to defend him.
... Even Keiran. The same man Dutch threatened to geld is the same one who was ready to fight for him.
@@VGamingJunkieVTSadie didn’t give a rat’s ass either
“We only know the worth of water when the well is dry” applies to this situation
💯in rl too
@@AshwinYSkooby
Arthur: C'mere
Cain:Woof
Arthur:Hello boy
Cain: I'll miss Kieran
Arthur:😳
Ngl i expected that, dissappinted
Okay, I'll catch you later then.
@@toddsmitts most random comment i've seen in this video
@@WeirdUnfunnyGuy Wdym? i'll also catch you later then.
@@jpiny4854 ill catch you later then
During my playthrough, the last time I saw Kieran alive was at the big party at Shady Belle the night little Jack was returned to the gang. My Arthur sang and drank and talked with everyone, even the folks on patrol. Kieran stood alone near the house. I said "Why don't you come over and join us?" It was the first time Arthur said something to him without a joke about being an O'Driscoll or a traitor. Kieran said "Maybe later." He was likely taken that night while everyone was drunk and celebrating, because I could never find him around camp again.
It’s brutal because in both the O’Driscoll and Van Der Linde gang he’s really only a horse keeper. Like he’s not a robber/killer he’s capable of it but avoids it. He did not deserve that brutal of a death.
yeah, i even heard his screams while he was... still stood in camp.
@@Artissan They call it "Shady Belle" for a reason.
mine said "I don't wanna ruin the night for you" or something like that
@@AnthonyBlamthony very good point. He was no killer.
2:01 "uhh everything OK?"
"Yah, why?" COVERED IN GORE
me when someone asks me how's my life going
@@sherryjosh U Jason Voorhees or something?
Shes never liked Kieran, but that was fucking cold
Maybe her covered in gore was a way to kill the tention, either from the insane fight or maybe because she started accepting Kieran as one of their own@@lufanocorvino
@@nicolae-alexandruluca7853 ok, you have a good point
Imagine if in the Epilogue, Kieran survived and ran away with Mary-Beth and John could meet them and their children.
Frrrr I feel like his death was a big mistake there could’ve been so much more potential to his character
What a twist
I would have loved if he ended up establishing a ranch where he rehabilitates sick, abandoned or abused horses.
Just a headless Kieran going to town piledriving Mary Beth
Welp 😔
Even if they trusted Kieran or not, the way he was killed was not deserved. I saw the horse coming down to Shady Bell with the rider carrying something in his hands and I thought to myself "there's no way that person is beheaded". But it was. When I found out it was Keiran, it kind of bummed me out because the kid was starting to feel like part of the gang. Sad day indeed.
He was taken away while everyone was celebrating Jack's return
He was taking care of the horses alone he got taken, the Odriscolls beated him tortured him for betraying him cut out his eye balls and cut his head off to represent à creature from an old barbaric tradition
*Kieran
Jesus Loves You
@@rwils7925nobody asked
I was horrified when I saw that, Dutch bringing in the question I instantly knew something was terribly off then Kieran was shown eye gouged and beheaded I was horrified
I can see how much Mary-Beth really love Kieran. Cause those two would’ve make a chemistry forever.
Man when Cain said “woof!” that really hit me hard. RIP Kieran
John Marston flicking his hair outta his face like some godamn shampoo commercial lol
Honestly I thought he looked like the girl from the exorcist 😂 head spinning around
wakakakaj
Arthur: "I'm getting tired if these O'driscolls"
John: *hair swips* "Me too✨"
You can tell how affected the gang member really was and how much he likes Kieran
2:19
"It just isn't the same, Mr. Morgan. I liked that O'Driscoll person.."
"It's gonna be okay, kid."
"OKaY i'Ll cAtCh yOu LATeR thEn"
1:21 from Uncle's pov he used the antagonize button on Arthur lol
Never leave Strauss alone.
bill's prolly crying to sleep after keiran died.
He ran past lennie when he died?
He missed joking him around.
I always have felt like Kieran's ticket got punched a bit early. A missed opportunity to create an interesting arc, from a kidnapped, frightened, neglected nobody to a respectable gang member.
I mean, they had already lost the Callander boys and Sean by that point. He could have become a reliable, dependable gunslinger as well to try and "fill in" for those abscenses. He was making a conscious effort to put in the work inside camp to be accepted by the gang anyway.
Imagine going with him in the mission where Colm swings. I insist, missed opprtunity.
I understand how you feel, but personally I feel like Kieran dying _before_ he gets a chance to fully incorporate into the gang is exactly why his death hits so hard.
Everyone in the gang treats him horribly, never accepting him as part of the gang. Even by Chapter 4 everyone still treats him like an outcast. But after his death, everyone starts to realize how much they liked him and regret how they had treated him before. Even Arthur reflects on this (provided you have high Honor), saying how he never repaid him for saving him or even treated him well. Now everyone has to live with the guilt with no way of making up for it.
It also makes sense from a narrative perspective, specifically how the circumstances of his death are unique compared to other characters’ deaths up to this point. For example, Davey, Mac, and Jenny (gang members that the player doesn’t know personally) are all dead as soon as the game starts, but each of their deaths is revealed at a different point (Davey immediately, Mac when fishing with Jack, etc.). Then you have Sean, a member who the player actually gets time to interact with and learn about, being shot dead in a situation that was clearly a setup. Finally there’s Kieran, a gang member who you have pretty limited interaction with vanishing and dying so suddenly at a time when you aren’t expecting it. Had Kieran been given more screen time, it might’ve felt too similar to Sean’s death and maybe even be predictable to some players.
I was honestly surprised by Bill’s reaction to Kieran’s death, he seemed like he genuinely cared
Shoots at Leo Strauss to wake him up
Says "mr strauss" in the calmest way
"Back at them Mr. Morgan, good to see." While running for his fucking life lol
I just love rdr2 logic
The only proper way to greet Strauss all things considered
Arthur: *has an emontional conversation about a dead gang member*
Also Arthur: Okay I'll catch you later then!!!
“I’m keeping my head. Which is more than we can say for Kieran” 💀
"I Will Miss him"
But in the final mission where he mentions the death he doesn't mention Kieran
Low blow Arthur, low blow
I was surprised he didn’t mention Kieran either. I always thought it was just because his death was so dark he just didn’t like thinking about it or he just wasn’t as close to Kieran as he was with the others
And the madest thing is it Dutch! Who mentions him a couple of times.
Dutch didn’t cause Kieran's death, that’s why he is not mentioned among with the others names.
If you have good honor Arthur feels bad that he can see Arthur’s life because he saved this
2:22 the dog was right about Kieran
Sadie doesn’t seem to care at all. Ever since they pulled her out of her house she’s steered clear of Kieran because he ran with Colm.
and they killed her husband, so I’d say she has every right to not care about Kieran dying.
@@Gingersnap_AdventuresToxic fanboy.
@@AudrionIrks how am I toxic?
I think she never trusted him and she was happy as she got to kill more of them
at that point he was more than a o driscol. like family the gane is called red dead **redemption** so sadie wasnt justified @Gingersnap_Adventures
I wish he was in the epilogue. He truly deserved better
Mary-Beth was always my favorite. She was the most kind person in camp.
Same with Tilly
If Charles had a sense of humor SPOILER WARNING
Arthur's grave would have said "okay I'll catch you later then"
lmfao that'd be good
It would’ve been fitting. He ruined his own immersion as a character by saying stupid stuff like that.
SPOILER
As someone who had Arthur's death AND sickness spoiled to me, I really appreciate seeing genuine spoiler warnings when it comes to it.
“That could’ve gone better”
Everyone else: "Man Kierans dead :("
Uncle: "WELL I LEAST I KEPT MY HEAD"
Cool detail here: miss grimshaw is carrying a shotgun with her. Indicating that she’s ready to fight at a moment notice if the o’driscolls come.
Bro when arthur asks sadie if everything's fine as her face is covered in shit is hilariuos
Its sad how once the gang started to warm up to him, he gets butchered by the O'Driscolls
Not just after his death tbf, but still way too late. During the party when Jack came back multiple people asked him to join the party iirc. He didn't want to, but I do think the gang started to appreciate him by that point. Arthur became nicer and nicer too as the game went on, by the end if you greeted him it was basically normal conversation like with all the other gang members
“Ok I’ll catch you later then!”
“He saved my life, but I couldn’t save his.”
- Arthur Morgan
I really miss him!
I know you do. And Kieran will always be in your heart.
@@ericle5366 He will. Always.
Guess who's back
@@nuttygranola3705 Kieran!
MARY BETH!!!
I like how no one in the game talks about how Sadie is covered in blood
something i really like about your channel is that you don't use mods so somethings you do i can do too for example getting micah's revolver early keep making this great content its fun to watch
Ty..🖤 Tbh mods ruin the game.. Everything I post you can do or can be done in the game..
@@AshwinY since you are here, i wanted to tell you about the glitch i discovered in van horn
you go to the shop, you steal the register, but, when you are stealing it, you will always continue to walk, it gets you infinite money
@@duall-d fence??
@@AshwinY what do you mean by fence?
@@duall-d there's only one shop in van Horn fence
Kieran might be one of the more tragic stories in the game… swept up into a ruthless gang, only to kidnapped, harassed, and tied to a tree by another gang, and then getting killed by the first gang. We have to assume he had history and dreams too. I wanna say he should have ran when he had the chance but, like all the other characters, he seemed to beautiful he can’t make it on his own. They all feel that way really until the very end when the gang falls apart and they are all forced to. But likely most of them have grown and matured by that point
Uncle has no chill lmao
I love Kiaren Mary Beth right he did have a gentle soul he cared for a lot of the gang members he cared for the gang members horses. I liked him a lot he was never like the other O'Driscoll's and I hate what Micah only a person like Micah can be so heartless to say that Kiaren was never a rat Micah can you have no room to speak about that kind of stuff about anybody mr. Trader
Uncle 💀💀💀
Ikr that was outta pocket 😂
This is the turning point for the gang
0:38 you could hear someone screaming
"Make them pay, he was such a gentle soul"
*"Okay, I'll catch you later then"*
Strauss: "Vat did I do to deserve zis?"
Arthur: "Ya gave me TB, ya bespectacled bastard."
Micah is the only one who doesnt even feel so sad 'bout what happened to Kieran
Uncle too
Sadie, Pearson, Cain...
@@Kapech_the_first why put cain, cain is a dog you know
@@LTSimonGhostRiley6 cain solos
@@Kapech_the_first no pearson was sad i talked to him
Sadie was still prossecing what happened, don't forget she killed more people than Arthur there
every one is sad about kieran's death then uncle with a joke #lumbago
*Everyone being sad and missing Kieran*
Uncle: Hahaha!! Decapitation 😂
Kieran dying knowing he never got to lay pipe on Mary Beth is a crime.
“Okay, I’ll catch you later then.”
Poor Kieran bro was so close to the cake
0:36 did anyone hear the scream in the background? That means the screams aren’t kierans
Prolly these are from som nightfolk's victime
@@gold8857 oh probably
I think the screams are animals in the swamp
@@elementalb3m957 either that or it’s the victims of the nightfolk like the other person said
Probably isnt nightfolk aa theyre in Bayou not Shady belle. Maybe NPCs getting attacked by gators or lamoyne raiders
I had a funny situation after this mission:
Sadie had a talk with Abigail and I had
-Girl wash your clothes, Jack can leave any time and you have blood on your sweter
Bro uncle proceeds to make dark jokes about his death 💀
When uncle said that on my first play through my mouth dropped to the floor.
I antagonised him for the rest of the game and it took me multiple times to beat that damn skinner brothers mission because I just didn't have the motivation
Obviously the only one with a disgusting reaction is Micah
It should have been Swanson who died, but Kieran was probably taken while on guard duty, and that would be too much work for the "reverend"
2:42 Arthur greets everyone in camp but just starts poppin off at Strauss 😂
Alongside Javier, Kieran was one of my fave npcs, after i finished his mission i was left feeling so sad. I literally had to take a break from story missions and just wander around the map bc holy shit that was thought to process
He was the hardest worker in camp and unfortunately had to stay behind
I am happy he never saw what became or was always there of Dutch he would be like I fell back in with the o driscolls
I almost stopped playing because of Kieran’s death because (almost) no one cared and i really liked his character 🙁
I played the entire game without volume, skipped every cutscene, and turned off subtitles, so before today, I didn't even know this happened
So sad because the gang always fucked with Kieran, and he never got to hear that all of them truly liked him
Most of them only cared about him after he died. And then pretended like they liked him or were starting to. Kinda disrespectful and disgusting honestly.
Boy you were givin ol Strauss the workover there at the end weren't you? 😂
Arthur having a depressing conversation: Okay, I'll catch you later then! 😃
Kieran's death is the saddest in my opinion he was finally being accepted by most of the gang even Bill said he was starting to like Kieran and then he died
Arthur: everything ok?
Sadie drenched in blood and guts: yeah I’m fine, why?
2:19 Cain's Reaction: BARK BHAWWW
2:06 I forgot how nasty Sadie gets in this chapter
“Okay I’ll catch you later then”
Arthur, Mary-Beth, Bill and Charles were the only ones that cared about him
I went fishing with him and I bought every lore just because how like-able he was just to impress him with the legendary fish, but when I got back the mission played. They only play our hearts like a fiddle. Curses all to rockstar
They should at least inform you of which dialogue is gonna play like they do in missions
This I'll catch you later thing shouldn't be anyone's problem
Like how he asks Cain too
Sadie. 🥶
Just did this mission again and my game glitched, the camp members didn't talk about Kieran at all, only Micah did...
even cain was sad
Holy shit, i just see this video after finished the mission
0:26 "If we get the chance...we surely shall..."
1:07 "I know..."
Second time healthy Arthur sounds more like diagonised/tired Arthur.
I wish he survived and in the Epilogue he could have been taking care of horses in a stable and you could talk to him
😔 He saved my life, I will miss him dearly.
😄 *Ok I’ll catch you later then!*
STRAUSS LMFAO
I knew the player was going to change the angle when he was talking to Grimshaw 😂
Respect for firing a couple of rounds strauss...bastard deserves it for making us do them disgraceful debt collector missions(i do them just so i can watch arthur send strauss out of the gang)
The only members to react on Kieran's tragic death were:
Mary-Beth, Bill Williamson, Tilly Jackson, Abigail Roberts, Molly O'Shea (also mentioned Sean's tragic death, too), Charles Smith, Uncle, and Micah Bell.
Mary-Beth has the most heart felt reaction for Kieran without doubts.
Micah has the top most hated reaction to Kieran voted by many alright.
Still, rest in peace, Kieran Duffy.
You ain't an O'Driscoll. You ARE a part of the Van der Linde Group.
Oh, I truly wished he survived and lived a happy life with Mary-Beth.
😢💔❤️🙏🏻⚰️
His death makes me not want a third game because he won't get screen time in it
Cain it's obviusly the most afected
That comment from John that they want to betray them, seeing him arrive without a head, made me feel annoyed and I came back from playing on the 1st.
I came so close to quitting the game over Kieran’s death. I really thought he was gonna have way more of an important role, even becoming the “big hero” at the end.
Sad thing is that nobody cared about Kieran before his death
I mean you've gotta do a whole lotta right for Charles to even remotely like you.
One death that breaks my heart is seans 😢
Uncle was WILD 😭😭🙏
Sadie, covered in blood:
"I'm fine Arthur!"
Anybody else notice Sadie’s face?
O'driscoll boah that always work at the camp, its sad to see him died like that😢.
Also, i wonder, is that horse is kieran's horse ? Coz, O driscoll doesnt know their camp right ? So they use kieran horse to lead them to the camp location ? Just like Arthur horse that bring him back to the camp after meet with colm ?
If its true, than its so clever...
I thought we were safe here🙁
Okay I'll catch you later then😃
Not surprised Sadie is indifferent. Shows her true nature
just bcs she doesn’t care about kieran doesn’t mean she’s a bad person. She clearly cared about arthur, like a lot. Literally risked her life to save john and abigail. Like, go make this kinda of comment about Uncle…
@@eldaddymewhy Uncle?
Shady bell was one of the most unsafe camps of the gang. It's way too open.
This doesn't seem to work anymore. The only ones to mention it now are Mary-Beth and Charles. The rest of the camp will be sad and dismal, but Arthur still talks like everything is okay.