"years and years of trial and error"=the default LinMB settings when you load it up (all attacks, releases, crossovers, dither, automakeup, adaptive, release+behaviour, knee), except for range fully lowered, and threshold and gain adjusted to fit the mix.
Lol ditto here - LinMB is magic. Super secret trick you see used by MANY mixers on 2BUSS / Mastering. You can push its output to get obscene amounts of CLEAN level without it clipping (within reason) or resorting to a limiter or actual clipper. FYI - to my knowledge this trick was founded by Machine / Putney ❤️
One thing i like about Joey, is that he does what he hears. And after watching him do something like this, I find that I am taking more chances. I just mixed a song using Mid/side processing during mixing, for some keys and added elements, and it worked great. I also added 2 different exciters at different stages in the mastering chain (hesitantly) but it sounded really huge, and natural, too. I love how it added to the room and overhead tracks on the kit. We get into phases as mixers where you start to think all your plug-in additions might be making things sound worse. Then you watch a video like this, LOL. IOW, if it sounds better when you add it, add it, and if it doesn't after you A/B it, take it away.
Engineers all over youtube will tell you "it has to be done this way" Joey sturgis teaches you that at the end of the day the idea is to make the song sound good. If this plugin does something for your mix? Add it. Its all about the ears and what the mix tells you!
Interesting video. I do find that +4db setting in ozone curious. It seems to me like the mix is going into ozone10 a bit hot and I personally would like to hear it with ozone set to 0.00 db to compare. I feel like it might get a little clearer given that change but idk. Also I'd like to see if they use insight or a similar plugin and are concerned with the integrated and short term LUFS.
Talks about the importance of high quality linear phase filters in the mastering stage, and the very next plugin is OTT lmao (which is fine, love it, don’t get the linear phase filters are important for mastering, only makes sense to me for parallel processing.)
Are the trackspacer settings the same for instrumental and master busses? Otherwise, great explanation of everything and I'm looking forward to trying my own variation of this method.
Great mix guys! Curiosity, why in this case the Ozone chain is in post fader position on Cubase insert, if you have done any gain automations (not volume) in pre/gain? Cheers!
послушал первый попавшийся трек бринг ми зе хорайзон и свс. И первый и второй спродюсированы по серьезному, слияние рока и поп, работают профессионалы своего дела. Здесь же проседает практически все. Рановато для туториалов. Людей новичков такое, если возьмут на вооружение твои подходы тоже собьют с толку. Без хейта. Успехов и дальнейшего развития тебе!
This is so interesting. 2 comps, MaxxBass, LinMB, and OTT on the 2-bus? That's awesome. Though doesn't OTT kind of f*ck up the phase you were trying to preserve with the LinMB? Regardless, cool to see this kind of extreme music processing.
I don't know how Joey gets away with these supposed no-no's and doesn't get phase issues. Maybe that whole thing is over-emphasized? Dan Worral seems to think so...
thats a shit ton of fucking plugins... theres goin to be some funky sounding mixes out there lol. I wish i could hear everyones tracks that copy'd these settings lol, its almost like a legit troll.
@@BrofUJu all I know is that these linear phase multiband settings will literally just make any mix sound flat as fuck when you go listen to it in the car lol.
EDIT: They don't have it set up on every channel, which is why they don't hear it distorting like crazy when they crank the drive. Without putting the NLS channel on every channel strip, theres literally nothing being fed into the NLS bus plug in haha. That's the whole point, to emulate up to 32 individual channels of an analog board and use the Non Linear Summing to sum it like that board would. So, I'm pretty sure it's literally not doing anything here (unless they have NLS channel on some strips I can't see) That being said: You guys are using NLS?!?!? I thought I was alone in this for awhile. Never seen anyone else in metal using it so far (not that I've looked that hard.) It's one hell of a plug in though. It emulates 32 channels of 3 different mega producer's analog boards, since each channel has a slightly different character. (like how some producers may think tracks 10-15 are best for vocals and below 10 best for guitars, etc) but you put the NLS channel on every channel in the mix, then the NLS Buss on your master strip. I like the Spike board better than Nevo personally. Spike is an SSL board therefore fits better with the SSL bus compressor these guys (and everyone else) are using. Nevo is a Neve board (Mike is maybe a Pulltec? don't remember) But man that's sick to see you guys using it as well. I got it thinking it sounded cool even though I've never seen anyone use it, so this is definitely nice. Now ya'll just need to start actually using it haha (it really should come with a better explanation, it's not these dude's fault, they're both legends. It took me a ton of research to find out how it really worked, they basically didn't explain it at all on waves site, only in RUclips vids buy them.)
nice info but there it's probably just used for warmth. I also use nls buss on my master channel all the time, even when I don't use nls channel on my individual tracks. I generally prefer neve in metal genres and mike in hip-hop genres for my own taste. 👌🏻👌🏻
@@myq723 not working correctly. Look it up, plain and simple, don't just take my word for it lol. The whole point is it sums up to 32 individual channels of 3 different boards. Maybe it has some effect still on the whole mix, but according to waves, there is literally no input without the channels set up. A lot of people seem to just set it up on their busses though instead of each and every channel (you'd need to start doubling up on big projects pretty fast)
11:30 This sounds like the typical over-produced, dime-a-dozen Metal mix that 99% of bands are using now. Flat, clipped to hell, triggered drums with exactly the same velocity across the board, pushed way to the fore. It sounds so lifeless and robotic it may as well have been _performed_ by computers too. Musicians - you can do better. Don't follow the trend.
@@greghillmusic why? I write music for tv and master stuff directly in the mix. If you've got the CPU, it's fine. You can just render all the tracks to WAVs anyway.
Wow, the stuff you think sounds good. It doesn't sound like real music. If you listen to a real band playing this, it doesn't sound this way. I wish mixers these days would use digital tech to make things sound more real instead of unreal.
When’s the last time you went to a live show? And not some underground bands at a local bar or club but like a big well known band. The reason I ask is because you’d be surprised how close their live mixes are compared to their album releases.
People said the same thing about electronic music at first. Such a close-minded perspective to have. Why isn't there room for both? Some people desire the more heavily processed sound. It's not about one way being better than the other.
Agree 100%. But the majority of people are trend-followers and will go for this ultra-sterile, lifeless master because that's what everybody else is doing. Right on, man - keep doing your own thing.
"years and years of trial and error"=the default LinMB settings when you load it up (all attacks, releases, crossovers, dither, automakeup, adaptive, release+behaviour, knee), except for range fully lowered, and threshold and gain adjusted to fit the mix.
You're welcome 🤣
😂😂
Thats what i do lmao
Lol ditto here - LinMB is magic. Super secret trick you see used by MANY mixers on 2BUSS / Mastering. You can push its output to get obscene amounts of CLEAN level without it clipping (within reason) or resorting to a limiter or actual clipper.
FYI - to my knowledge this trick was founded by Machine / Putney ❤️
Joey Sturgis produces good records, you produce smelly gas.
i like using two multiple bus compressors with one setting to catch the drums while the other as the "classic glue".
One thing i like about Joey, is that he does what he hears. And after watching him do something like this, I find that I am taking more chances. I just mixed a song using Mid/side processing during mixing, for some keys and added elements, and it worked great. I also added 2 different exciters at different stages in the mastering chain (hesitantly) but it sounded really huge, and natural, too. I love how it added to the room and overhead tracks on the kit. We get into phases as mixers where you start to think all your plug-in additions might be making things sound worse. Then you watch a video like this, LOL. IOW, if it sounds better when you add it, add it, and if it doesn't after you A/B it, take it away.
This mix kicked my ass.
Engineers all over youtube will tell you "it has to be done this way"
Joey sturgis teaches you that at the end of the day the idea is to make the song sound good. If this plugin does something for your mix? Add it. Its all about the ears and what the mix tells you!
LinMB is just amazing, during mastering as well as mixing, love it to control and pimp drums and vocals!
Interesting video.
I do find that +4db setting in ozone curious. It seems to me like the mix is going into ozone10 a bit hot and I personally would like to hear it with ozone set to 0.00 db to compare. I feel like it might get a little clearer given that change but idk.
Also I'd like to see if they use insight or a similar plugin and are concerned with the integrated and short term LUFS.
When Mastering the ceiling was at -0.03 instead of -1, also I noticed you did not engage true peak is this always the way to do this?
Epic mix. Will you please make one with some October ends tracks? I'd say put in Dark, Of Stars and Play Time!
kinda happy im not the only one putting 10% ott on my master lmao
Talks about the importance of high quality linear phase filters in the mastering stage, and the very next plugin is OTT lmao (which is fine, love it, don’t get the linear phase filters are important for mastering, only makes sense to me for parallel processing.)
the more I watch videos like this, the more I realise how little I know
i kinda legit disappointed they didn't use jst maximizer.
JST Maximizer wasnt in development when this was filmed
So basically you just use a compressor to compress the compressed signal that comes from a compressor which compressed the signal. Interesting
Layered compression. Very common ;)
Are the trackspacer settings the same for instrumental and master busses? Otherwise, great explanation of everything and I'm looking forward to trying my own variation of this method.
Great mix guys! Curiosity, why in this case the Ozone chain is in post fader position on Cubase insert, if you have done any gain automations (not volume) in pre/gain? Cheers!
Joey is absolutely the best in the scene
послушал первый попавшийся трек бринг ми зе хорайзон и свс. И первый и второй спродюсированы по серьезному, слияние рока и поп, работают профессионалы своего дела. Здесь же проседает практически все. Рановато для туториалов. Людей новичков такое, если возьмут на вооружение твои подходы тоже собьют с толку. Без хейта. Успехов и дальнейшего развития тебе!
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This is so interesting. 2 comps, MaxxBass, LinMB, and OTT on the 2-bus? That's awesome. Though doesn't OTT kind of f*ck up the phase you were trying to preserve with the LinMB? Regardless, cool to see this kind of extreme music processing.
I don't know how Joey gets away with these supposed no-no's and doesn't get phase issues. Maybe that whole thing is over-emphasized? Dan Worral seems to think so...
@@oldguysplaymetal5517 As long as it's not out 180 degrees, phase should be adjusted to taste like everything else.
I had phase problems with parallel processing OTT but achieving unity gain and using the depth knob did the trick instead
What song is this?
thats a shit ton of fucking plugins... theres goin to be some funky sounding mixes out there lol. I wish i could hear everyones tracks that copy'd these settings lol, its almost like a legit troll.
I actually use a ton on my master bus but it's subtle. I'll use a few types of saturation, a couple EQs, a couple compressors. It's all very subtle.
@@BrofUJu all I know is that these linear phase multiband settings will literally just make any mix sound flat as fuck when you go listen to it in the car lol.
But now all of this can be done with JST MAXIMIZER
@Ryan James I think that the clips where made way before the JST Maximizer was in its creation phase.
All that OTT hahah
Kinda funny.. didn't see one of his plugins used.. not a diss. just sayin
EDIT: They don't have it set up on every channel, which is why they don't hear it distorting like crazy when they crank the drive. Without putting the NLS channel on every channel strip, theres literally nothing being fed into the NLS bus plug in haha. That's the whole point, to emulate up to 32 individual channels of an analog board and use the Non Linear Summing to sum it like that board would. So, I'm pretty sure it's literally not doing anything here (unless they have NLS channel on some strips I can't see) That being said: You guys are using NLS?!?!? I thought I was alone in this for awhile. Never seen anyone else in metal using it so far (not that I've looked that hard.) It's one hell of a plug in though. It emulates 32 channels of 3 different mega producer's analog boards, since each channel has a slightly different character. (like how some producers may think tracks 10-15 are best for vocals and below 10 best for guitars, etc) but you put the NLS channel on every channel in the mix, then the NLS Buss on your master strip. I like the Spike board better than Nevo personally. Spike is an SSL board therefore fits better with the SSL bus compressor these guys (and everyone else) are using. Nevo is a Neve board (Mike is maybe a Pulltec? don't remember) But man that's sick to see you guys using it as well. I got it thinking it sounded cool even though I've never seen anyone use it, so this is definitely nice. Now ya'll just need to start actually using it haha (it really should come with a better explanation, it's not these dude's fault, they're both legends. It took me a ton of research to find out how it really worked, they basically didn't explain it at all on waves site, only in RUclips vids buy them.)
pretty sure Taylor Larson used that NLS thing on snares since forever. Until he made his own distortion plugin with mixwave
nice info but there it's probably just used for warmth. I also use nls buss on my master channel all the time, even when I don't use nls channel on my individual tracks. I generally prefer neve in metal genres and mike in hip-hop genres for my own taste. 👌🏻👌🏻
You don't hear it when it's cranked? It's definitely working
@@flipatomas hell yeah, good to know thanks
@@myq723 not working correctly. Look it up, plain and simple, don't just take my word for it lol. The whole point is it sums up to 32 individual channels of 3 different boards. Maybe it has some effect still on the whole mix, but according to waves, there is literally no input without the channels set up. A lot of people seem to just set it up on their busses though instead of each and every channel (you'd need to start doubling up on big projects pretty fast)
11:30 This sounds like the typical over-produced, dime-a-dozen Metal mix that 99% of bands are using now. Flat, clipped to hell, triggered drums with exactly the same velocity across the board, pushed way to the fore. It sounds so lifeless and robotic it may as well have been _performed_ by computers too. Musicians - you can do better. Don't follow the trend.
Mix is ok, but why don't you use some deessing on speech in video, extremely hard to listen...
Can you not master in the mix session? Thanks.
Why not?
@@BrofUJu it's just not good to combine 2 different sessions for one..
@@greghillmusic why? I write music for tv and master stuff directly in the mix. If you've got the CPU, it's fine. You can just render all the tracks to WAVs anyway.
@@BrofUJu cool, you're doing it wrong. Sure, you can get away with it... but it's wrong.
@@greghillmusic again, why? You've given no reason lol
Wow, the stuff you think sounds good. It doesn't sound like real music. If you listen to a real band playing this, it doesn't sound this way. I wish mixers these days would use digital tech to make things sound more real instead of unreal.
This comment made no sense
okay then, old timer.
When’s the last time you went to a live show? And not some underground bands at a local bar or club but like a big well known band. The reason I ask is because you’d be surprised how close their live mixes are compared to their album releases.
People said the same thing about electronic music at first. Such a close-minded perspective to have. Why isn't there room for both? Some people desire the more heavily processed sound. It's not about one way being better than the other.
Agree 100%. But the majority of people are trend-followers and will go for this ultra-sterile, lifeless master because that's what everybody else is doing. Right on, man - keep doing your own thing.