UGC Chairman Dr. M. Jagadesh Kumar on Transforming Indian Education & Foreign Universities | ACP 49
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Dr. M. Jagadesh Kumar is an accomplished Indian academic and electrical engineer currently serving as the Chairman of the University Grants Commission (UGC) since February 2022. He previously held the position of Vice-Chancellor at Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU) from January 2016 to February 2022. An alumnus of IIT Madras, where he completed his M.Sc and PhD in Electrical
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In this conversation, I sit down with Dr. Jagadesh Kumar, the current Chairman of the University Grants Commission (UGC) and the driving force behind the new National Education Policy in India.
We delve into the foundational aspects of the UGC, exploring its role and significance in bolstering our university system. Dr. Kumar shares invaluable insights into strategies aimed at fortifying and advancing our educational institutions, emphasizing the need to cultivate a system deeply rooted in Indian ethos.
Language, a fundamental aspect of cultural heritage, takes center stage in our discussion. We explore the pivotal importance of this generation reconnecting with their mother tongues and the profound impact it can have on preserving cultural identities.
The conversation unfolds into a comprehensive exploration of the National Education Policy. Dr. Jagadesh Kumar offers a detailed breakdown of its multifaceted components, shedding light on its implications, scope, and the transformative changes it heralds for the Indian education landscape.
One of the critical junctures of our conversation revolves around the scope of education in India, particularly the establishment of foreign universities within the country. Dr. Kumar provides nuanced perspectives on this subject, highlighting its potential benefits and challenges.
Finally, we culminate our dialogue by delving into the imperative need for a comprehensive educational system ensuring quality education across every nook and corner of India. Dr. Jagadesh Kumar shares his vision and insights on how to achieve this crucial objective
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Timestamps:
00:00-00:56 - Introduction
00:57-02:45 - What is UGC?
02:46-09:36 - How to strengthen our university system?
09:35-18:24 - What is The New Education Policy and the changes NEP is bringing?
18:25-21:42 - How do we develop an education system based on Indian ethos?
21:43-29:36 - Is there any plan to place more emphasis on learning in mother tongue?
29:37-33:58 - Will the new NEP require retraining of the teachers?
33:59-40:57 - By When The New NEP 2020 will be implemented across the country?
40:58-49:45 - Foreign universities and campus in India
49:46-52:34 - What kind of courses will foreign universities offer?
52:35-55:15 - Are we open to having foreign faculty members?
55:16-1:09:38 - Will there be a regulatory process to ensure the purpose is being served?
1:09:39-1:09:57 - End
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Wow 😳 sir one request - J Sai Deepak and S jaishankar in your show.
Bas hai bhia kithna j sai deepak. He will come when he comes.
Do you want the same thing everywhere? Enjoy a little diversity man, Abhijit sir gets guests you don't get anywhere else, respect that.
I think S Jaishankar won't come.. but J sai deepak definitely should be invited and it will be Great to listen to 2 of my Most favourite Public Speakers in a podcast. And not one but probably a series of podcast between J sai deepak and AC sir...
@@jayantdhiren1234no bro, we want him immediately, tumhe koi dikkat hai kya, we want to listen him more and more 👍👍👍👍👍
Rajiv Malhotra Ji
What is the ultimate objective of education?
"To Enable Our Students To Imagine and Convert That Imagination Into Reality"
Wow!
What A Great Note on Education!
"Build character (Dharma) and skills to serve the society and nation"
Job
It sounds better in words
In reality, it was always marks.
Great to have such learned and high profile guests on the AC Podcast. More power to you Chavda sir!
Indeed!
Despite the hate and pressure , India that is BHARAT will prevail.
Jai Bhavani!
@ snail's pace 😔
Jai bhavani!
@@jeevan88888Don’t worry brother, just think that our grandparents and parents have lived their entire lives with this fake shit. At least we are lucky enough to witness a change and everything will get as it was eventually. We might not be able to see very drastic change but our children will definitely one day see what real Bharat is 😊❤
Jai Bhavani 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
No doubt but how? Hoping and praying is not a plan! Timely actions are necessary
Foreign universities may set up campuses in engineering and sciences, but PLEASE, no foreign 'humanities' campuses. We have our own Ashoka University etc. wreaking havoc on society as it is.
So true!!
True
Sankrit should be taught starting from class 1 just like how we teach English.
True
Idea of changing the education system is great !
Training and capacity building of teachers is tough and will need more time ….. we need large number of years to achieve it in reality …..2035 sounds workable !! 👍🏻
Thanks Abhijit Chawda Sir for inviting Prof. Jagadesh Kumar, it was an insightful podcast... Truly enlightening!
Dr. M. Jagadesh Kumar sir, being such a high profile personality. Yet, very calm, composed, and soft spoken. And Abijith sir, as usually a very cool personality.
Great Podcast! Entry of Foreign Higher Educational Institutions will bring a positive change in Higher Education. I will urge you to bring more people from Higher Education Fraternity.
Be realistic, 41:01 No NRI wants Indian Colleges to set up campuses in Foreign, They enroll in Foreign University for that Nametag of a foreign institution in their resume and research facility. An Indian institution invests very little in research facility, so It's foolish to think an institution that does not invest in India will invest Foreign. In fact India want foreign Universities in India Because Indian Universities not well funded and those foreign Universities will invest in Social Sciences instead of actual Sciences to Brainwash. Braindrain in Sciences will Continue. Collaboration don't increase ranking but funding and facility does. Rajiv Malhotra is right about becoming Viswachela. Start improving Indian Institutions first then dream.
India needs these kind of podcast really well sir
Thank you Abhijit sir this video. We need more interview like this ..related to our education system
Charansparsh sir, eak hi to dil he kitni bar jitoge the respect for you is increasing exponentially in my heart because sir you are inviting people who are actually contributing to our beloved Bharat to became a super power unlike other who just bring celebrities for the sake of views.
THANK YOU SO MUCH SIR
till then as always "KEEP RAISING YOUR STANDARDS"🥰🥰🥰
What a brilliant leader. Thanks for discussion.🙏🙏
I am proud to say that I learnt from Prof. Jagadesh Kumar. He taught my at IIT Delhi. He is an extra ordinary teacher. He makes really hard concepts easy to understand. He is a visionary.
Which stream or subject. Engineering?
@@combinedstudy6427Masters in VLSI. Specifically he taught me I.C.Technology and Semiconductor/Microelectronics. He is a pioneer in these topics.
I m not seen here to improve our education system. I just see that he wanted to send indians abroad and study abroad. There is no mention of school infrastructure and vocational education.
Mr. Jagdeesh Kumar - Please remove the 'Migration Certificate' requirement in higher education institutions. It is an antiquated procedure that causes more problems than it solves any problem. Also, if you want to keep it, make it mandatorily online for all universities. It is very difficult for working people to physically travel to their previous university to get admission into new university.
Such a well rounded and thoughtful insights 👌🙌
Keep them coming
Please please please invite Rajiv Malhotra a renowned expert to talk about NEP and Future of AI !
its such a great feeeling after hearing his views and plans. That shows the whole vision of present gov. so yeah it feeels comfortable that efforts are made to reform education system the way it needs to be done.
Very pleased to know that enthusiastic knowledgeable minds like Dr Jagdeesh are spearheading UGC and trying to record it.
1) First UGC should remove quota systems (reservation systems) and entrance examinations for entering into top universities such as IIT, IISc, etc.
2) The Indian education should be free for everyone and should be funded by taxation collected from Tax payers.
3) All Indian universities should have same set of standardized laboratories, across the nation.
4) Indian education system should be run on model of curiousity.
Do u think that this nep is good or it change nothing?
Thank you for your question.
It is difficult to answer your question. As NEP has a projective plan till 2035, as stated by Dr. M. Jagadesh ji. It is evident that it takes a lot of time to reform and completely change our Indian Education system. One of the point he has mentioned was about Multiple exit and entrance into the system. This ideology was taken from Canadian Education Policy for higher education. I am not sure whether it would be a good approach (because many students could take unethical advantage of it). This may also lead to society peer-pressure and may result in adverse situation for student. On the other hand, it could be good for students who have a certain medical conditions. Here, my thought is that the career break should be an open option but the time duration should be less than a year. Please note that Year breaks are common in many foreign universities but are most strict towards Postgraduates and PhD candidates. I have seen many students who took year breaks and then lose hope in continuation of their education career.
Few points, I agreed upon with Dr. Jagadesh ji are as follows:
1) Industrial connects and earlier exploration of industries to students, for bringing boost in innovations (with combination of desirability, viabilty and feasibility). This was designed by an american professor (Unfortunately, I forgot the name of the professor). He projected this Innovation steps in 1980's or so? under title Design Thinking.
2) Training students on Communication with Stakeholders and digital content creation, respectively.
3) Working within diverse culture (i.e. student from across the globe) on a research project.
Here, in India, we need to first understand the student mindset and their social-economical backgrounds. And based on such market research only, UGC has to plan, design and execute new reformed policy. I am sure UGC have pursued this survey and have backed up with documentation of this data, before execution of their policy.
Let's hope for the best. There are many challenges ahead. Indian education system is one of the most challenging to reform.
From Bangladesh 🇧🇩 ❤
Thanks!
It is heartening to hear that the new NEP would introduce fresh perspectives, ideas, and modifications to the Indian education. The only question s when we will be able to carry it out and execute it.
Why did not we consider it sooner?
25:36 Allowing students to ask query in mother language is a good initiative! I think using on-the-fly language translator can be a big help. Using that both lecturers and students can speak and understand in any language!!
It would be great if we can even improve the translation systems by allowing users to recommend edits in specific use cases....
We need lot of work for language !!
AI Bhashini: an example of on-the-fly language translator, recently by PM Modi too
Hi Abhijit Sir, First of all , i commend you for your efforts in discussing such important issues and bringing it out in front. I have few observation which i want to share in hope that it is reached to the relevant person/authorities. Other than education, we should also need to focus on changing our mindset towards skilled labour job profiles. In Europe, a barber or a cook or a plumber is paid almost same salary as an IT professional at beginner level. They are treated with respect. We can all agree that not everyone could be academically bright, some will be gifted with skilled labour proficiency. We need to give them their dues, create an environment where they are treated with respect. Second point i want to raise is i totally agree that we need to rebuild our proficiency in sanskrit and also learn other regional languages for better communal harmony. UGC may also look to launch online courses on languages which can be pursed by anyone to improve on these areas.
Well said, great point
Can you sir plz make a video on how ancient indians mamaged and kept cows because nowadays its a big mess
Disappointing that UGC head appears to be clueless and lacks understanding on required changes in Bharat's Education system to really match US or next super power like China forget exceeding them. Inviting foreign universities in India without any checks and balances is a disaster to happen. NO lessons learned from past mistakes or rival China.
Amazing and insightful podcast! Thanks sir 🙏
Sanskrit must be introduce on larger scale. ❤❤❤
Did he Said or You are Telling it??... SANSKRIT should be Taught in All levels... To bring Bharata in to Proper shape...
It was very enlightening to listen to this conversation.
I have one question for Sir Dr M. Jagadesh, is there any provision to speed up education for the very high IQ gifted children in NEP 2020? These children do find the curriculum slow and have to go along with their batch, causing depression and anxiety issues. Is there any way to accelerate their education based on their learning capabilities? 🙏😊
Very few have this level of confidence while lying. (UG STUDENT)
Yea seems too good to be true
Very informative and helpful podcast. Another gem from AC podcast.
I wish i had been educated at a proper traditional Sanskrit school. Not at a cultureless English school 😢
What a legendary Man he is! This is new India! India is rising!
Wonderful interview, Abhijit. Geopolitics and economics are important, but schools are where the rubber really meets the road. So, thank you.!T o Dr. Jagadesh Kumar's point about raising the rankings of Bharateeya universities, there is too much of soft-corruption even in top schools like IISc, Bengaluru. Unless junior faculty feel a sense of independence and agency in growing their research, their minds won't think as creatively as they could, and ultimately rankings suffer. Sensitizing university administrators with workshops and periodic training, without turning campuses into politically correct police states, will yield outsized rewards.
I wish all the technology and digitization that is being much talked about is also utilized in disbursing scholarship because currently scholars suffer terribly in the hands of rusted manual and lethargic systems of scholarship disbursal.
He mentioned that Education system will be based on "Indian Ethos." .. does it mean we will have free quality education? .. because free education and health care was the part of Indian ethos.
Socialism was a part of Indian ethos? When? 😂 😂
Yes, education and health care was the responsibility of bramhin varna. And their needs (food, clothing, security) was taken care of by rest of the society. That system worked for thousands of years. But restoring that value system instead of the western capitalist system is a distant dream in the modern world.
Wow... What a discussion!!! 👏👏🎉🎉
@Abhijit : marvellous job of getting such illustrious people, albeit unknown to open media, on your show and give us all an insight into what a new education policy of Modiji government has in store. I also loved every minute of your show on semiconductor history. You woke me up rudely with the news of burning down od Semi Conductor Complex at Mohali in the early 70s ( when I was in college thrn and was left in deep sorrow), a case most cettainly was yhe handicam of CIA in collision with ISI from next door, which wanted india not to climb the ladder of an jnseen world then! This is one case whete durptidingly enough no enquiries of any mention were conducted leaves much to say about the Congress government in place then. Furthermore even establishing such a premier institute and research lab in such a close proximity itself should have been probed. A sad state of affairs indeed, while nothing short of criminals rule a state.
Good morning. It's great to know souch work and research is being done for students. I think the system has to think about the welfare of the teachers allso. The job has become very hectic stressful physically, mentally and emotionally. I HV worked in schools in different cities and taught classes from 1 to 10 and different subjects also. With experience I HV made this comment
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it feels like, this guy was not given mike from long time. very important podcast for NEP.
Great podcast sir ! TQ
I was hoping for this podcast 🥳 thank you sir.
No India without Sanskrit!
I wish the interview was done in the mother tongue and also the podcast should have been a model illustrating the holistic approach of NEP.
Im stunned this has less views. I was very critical of the NEP , it seems my doubts were resolved kudos to the details involved
The fact that
This interview is in english
My first impression of Narendra Modi was - what an ullu ka pattha - can't speak a line of English. Tainted by leftist ideas that I was, I thought that a mark of an educated person was good English. Thanks to Modi ji's great work, I have broken out of this.
Very happy to hear that technical books available in indian languages. I request authorities to consider to change the selection process of teaching staff from primary schools to univercities. At presenet 90% of teachers/lectures are scrap only. They does not know the subject, psychology of children. we need IIT and IIM standards of teaching staff. Than only india will grow. Till you sell education through private institutions, india will achieve nothing . private institutions are looking for profit only. Business man never think about the country. Never think about people.
Indian education system must include our ancient literature in school education
Provide the facilities and let the energy and enthusiasm of people take it from there.
The more the interference of the system the less the efficiency of the students. Make life easy for the students by using credit system, flexible timings, online attendance, library networks, MOOCS, recorded courses etc.
Sir we all welcome 🙏🏽 your efforts for change in our education system this is too late & matter of most importance. Sir But I have serious concern to raise sir this step will start causing problems again in next 20 years. If we wish to avoid that then the point one is that we have to bring all these changes in the Constitution of our country First from the acceptance of languages of states in Supreme Court of India. Otherwise We all will become People from Bharat 🇮🇳 living under the constitution of INDIA 🇮🇳.
Sir my other point is what we all missing,seeking ,Talking but running is Dharma meaning Athletic Principle’s,Values & Individuality. Sir these are the most important learnings a kid should get,rather than A for 🍎 B for 🥎 C for 🐈.
Sir hope too have better/honest understanding of our history for our grand kids not like our generation & past one generation almost died Highly Educated Naïvely clueless.
Very insightful and informative podcast!
We need to focus on few things------
1. More focus on STEM - Why? Because believe or not it helps a nation...and also if you check in US why Indian's are more successful than other ethnic groups just because of this.
2. PhD should be a Job not study...due to the pain in PhD no income source there very few students are doing it. So our R&D is at loss.
3. More emphasis on R&D because it will help a nation to grow
It will super exciting of learning things on wholistic education method..Wow..Let's start it..Do it...
2:42 Incorrect. IITs and other institutes of national importance such as NITs, IIMs, and IISERs do not come under the UGC.I am shocked that the UGC Chairman is unaware of this fact.
Was the question that these universities are incer UGC? Or the world's best universities list?
@@supercrazydesi Abhijit Chavda asked the Q whether "all universities and colleges in India are under the UGC?" and the UGC chairman said Yes. In any case, the only representation from India in the top-500 2023 QS rankings are:
IISc: 155
IIT-B: 172
IIT-D: 174
IIT-M: 250
IIT-K: 264
IIT-KGP: 270
IIT-R: 369
IIT-G: 384
IIT-Indore: 396
None of these institutions come under the UGC.
Wow 😲
Thank you sir
A lot of these things have been done abroad and hence they are ahead. The education system needs a thorough change in India. Including the mindset of teachers as a start.
The right question would have been , who selects the chairman for UGC, cuz this guy is not convincing enough
Plz bring Bharat Karnad on your show
Informative and interactive podcast👍👍👍👍
Giving importance to Indian languages in education is really good. Teaching can very well be multilingual. Publishing text books in Indian languages is also laudable. But permitting students to right one answer in English, another one in Tamil and a third one in Hindi is far stretched.
Great podcast! way to go... May be you can put reference of that shlok Mr. kumar mentioned and create a reel out of it.
great great great podcast sir!
36:00 - 41:00 Awesome
We need a lot more voices in favour of de colonizing the education system.
How about teaching children 21st century skill
How about using the outdoors to teach commerece humanities and science
How about creating all india teachers servi e board like iAS IPS etc
The last segment was pure gold 🙌🙌 Please give this man a university 🦾
He's got all the universities in India under his thumb 😆 😆
Seems too good to be true... To what extent will be the implementation is a huge question also 2035 is a long time 😮
I read panchtantra by own, no told me this but i read it and liked it and enjoyed it so much 😚☺️😊😘🥰
dont know how the babu profs sitting in Academia the kind Prof.Desi Raju described as sitting in cafeteria eating vada and dreaming about snacks in the evening will accept these changes and encourage questioning. Quota system hatao especially in recruitment of teachers.
1- we should support gharwapsi organizations like Sanjeev newar's organization @agniveer
2- buy their books for children, specially for girls from kritinova coz Demographics n narrative war is going on .. _
UGC Chairman on the show is a big deal 😂🎉❤
it was a good episode
Such a high profile person and still he didn't seem to have any nuances in his thoughts or discussions. Majority of the talk was pretty Much of a surface level discussion rather than thoughtful insights. Can we expect real influential changes when the authority doesn't seem to be insightful??
This video is more valuable than the views represent
Nice talk 👍👍👍👍👍
After some rumination, the overall goal of the 'transforming Indian education' effort is not clear to me. The part about NEP looks great so far. I am thinking that Dr. Jagadesh Kumar is not being honest about the motivation for, and the safeguards in place, to check the quality of who will be setting up campuses in Bharat. 'Top 500' is literally like scraping the bottom of the barrel. Top 100 might make a difference. Also, this influx of foreign universities could be like the effect of cable TV all over again. Bharat let in American cable TV channels in the 90s, and the outcome has been mixed at best and damaging at worst. Rather than universities, get polytechnics from Germany and Japan to set up trade schools in Bharat and charge students for the training. For research collaborations, engage top schools across the world - who want to come will come, no need to force it.
greatttt podcast, thank you
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Much time of the discussion was dedicated to a simple topic called 'Training Methods'. May be Mr. Jagdish Kumar is targeting the audience with a general understanding of the topic.
Please invite Dr. S jaishankar
he is telling, we give this and we that .. can you please tell us how many students benefited? .. before you give answer, please mind that we are talking about the country which has 1.42 billion population.
all those things will happen and then 70% seats will be reserved for reservation caste and the 30% will be sold out.
and bonus - one can buy a certificate by paying a huge amount of ₹😂
What's the point of bringing foreign universities if you do not have an ecosystem to absorb talented students into india. I am a PhD student of Physics and I can tell you the job situation in India specially for PhD students is really bad. The research positions in universities and industries are laughably small. I urge Abhijit sir to come up with this talk if you really want some solution to improve the situation of the country.
15:30 that's the way how we are being taught now a days . Please change this.examination should be more practical not theory only.
Please have a podacst with AICTE chief also. Need to ask him tough questions. I have earned useless BE ( mech).
Abhijit sir would be tensed within when he gave Gandhi's sayings as example😂😂
Can anything do to repeal Wqaf Act
pls bring Jai Sai Deepak
Yes, pls pls bring Jai Sai Deepak 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Ugc first needs to stop private colleges to increase their strength of admission when they don't have the proper infrastructure and professors...
Amazing ❤
How about teaching students empathy love respect
How about making NCC s outs a d guides cubs etc
Making sports co.pulsory
Now so many private Institutions are exploiting middle class families. Their fees are very high to a senior citizen of private sector with minimum pension of 1000/ month. When will these Government or universities help common people to earn income at 70 years. Even Public sector bank has to finance as educational loan for learning skills of artificial intelligence or Robotics or data science, Machine learning etc.. instead of NBFC. NBFC take loan with minimum interest from Public sector banks and to middle class families. Public sector bank have money deposited by middle class families. Otherwise Government or Universities have give certificate courses of above subjects to reduce unemployment problems, which may arise due to artificial intelligence adopted by many Government or Private or Public sector units. Even Doctorates, wish to proceed with post Doctorate have less opportunities. GOD Alone can help middle class community.