Now that is one fantastic looking guitar and vibe mate.. what a great addition to the collection of your axes Leon 🐈🐈.. however many bones that cost you it is well worth it mate ..
I will keep my MF10s. That natural sounding roll-off is essential. Aside from rehearsals, I never set foot in a studio. The MF10s (thanks Marco!) are ideal for the stage. This demo was instructive in another way. Most of us would tweak the EQ of a preset to fit the speaker, since no FRFR is perfectly flat. Through a pair of good headphones, I could hear the RK8's tweeter, and not in a good way. It might be great for acoustic though. If you were to do a follow up on these two, I'd like to hear the same basic preset, but EQ'd to your taste, and then, hopefully, tell us what you did. Thanks!
It's actually a great stage monitor. The closest sounding to an actual guitar amplifier. I have purchased 5 or 6 looking for the perfect tone and I thought I had finally found the one. Then I tried an RCF tt25cxl. It doesn't get any better than the RCF!
I'm pretty happy with my pair of QSC K10.2.. they're not cheap.. but regardless I think one of the most important things to remember with any FRFR are the EQ settings you're sending out from your modeler into the speakers.. you have some great tips on that in other videos.. thanks LT!
Apparently the RK 8 brings the bass response when standing on its side so the tweeter isn’t hitting the mic or face straight on . If you do any shootouts with it against the fender fr12 or anything else try that method . Going to pick one up soon for home and live jamming . Awesome demo man as always 🔥👊
As a fellow semi hollow body owner. D'Angelico DC Premier with P90's. I love it, not up to your quality standards. But it is nice to see you rocking out with one Leon. Weird way of saying everyone should get a semi hollow and rock out.
Sounds great! Might want to disable the compression for the louder stuff though on the DAW, you can hear it compressing when you dig in. Pretty awesome though, I have a Headrush FRFR112 which I am quite happy with, if you've tried them how does this compare?
Leon - about to buy an FM3 based on yours and John Cordy’s experiences and videos. Massive thanks to you legends. Do I go FRFR for home and small gig use? I’ve already got some Adam Audio studio monitors though so perhaps that’d be plenty to get me going?… Cheers mate!
This video was really informative for me because I'm trying to learn all the ways to hook up modeling preamps after 30 years of guitar amps, stacks, and outboard gear. Wasn't really sure what an FRFR was for if you have in ears and the audience can't hear the FRFR. Also if there is no FOH, I'm guessing one would use a guitar cab in that situation. How many watts can these FRFRs usually take? I'm thinking of a Seymour Duncan Power Stage 700 because it's rack mountable and, unlike most of the kids these days, I still like my rack on casters. :)
Hi Leon, thank you very much. Habe you already tested the new Redsound ELIS.8 pro? Theo are somewhat smaller than the RK8 and take up less space on stage.
If I was to buy an FM what is the best monitor solution for playing at home? Side note: I would like to do a wet dry wet setup would a FM9 be able to a W/D/W and how many monitors would it take to achieve this type of setup?
You've confused me: you say this product "doesn't sound like a guitar cab" (at 4:45, and I agree) but surely using an IR via an frfr unit SHOULD sound like a guitar cab ?
It's a bit more nuanced than that. What you hear from a modeller into an FRFR is more representative of, for example, what you would hear in the control room playing through an amp and a miced up cab in the live room, perhaps with added gating, compression or effects added at the console, while listening to the near field monitors at the desk, or alternatively, listening from an audience perspective to the amp and miced up cab running through the PA with whatever additional processing might be added at the board. Bear in mind that the IR incorporates a number of factors, including the mic's response curve & placement and to some extent, the room sound.
I will continue my fight to inform guitarists that they do not need FRFR cabs because they do not play bass, synth, or Chapman Stick; we could have just used the term "flat cab" and not misinformed people.
I did that for years, hauled a 6505+, rack, pedalboard and 4x12 to every rehearsal and gig. I had one clean channel, one dirty channel, a couple of overdrives, a few effects and a lot of tap dancing. With my Fractal, I have all the tones I need and then some, my main preset sounds indistinguishable from my 6505+ rig but the whole deal is far more versatile and much easier to haul. Instead of a rack, a head, a cab and a pedalboard with a complex cable loom to make it all work, I have a rack and two wedges, and a controller with a single XLR. It's subjective, of course, and your experience may not necessarily mirror mine.
You do realize that unless all the sound is coming from the stage and their is no PA System no one hears the cab except those on stage? Everyone else hears the mic, mic pre, etc. Which is the very thing an IR captures. Good modeling like that of FAS is already indistinguishable from the Amps it is modeling. On top of that no tubes to go out at the worst time, no hour of moving the mics around to get it sounding right for the venue, lighter weight, fewer points of failure in general.
Now that is one fantastic looking guitar and vibe mate.. what a great addition to the collection of your axes Leon 🐈🐈.. however many bones that cost you it is well worth it mate ..
Yeah it was too good to pass up. Well worth the price!
Kinda dig the live sound it gives off.
I will keep my MF10s. That natural sounding roll-off is essential. Aside from rehearsals, I never set foot in a studio. The MF10s (thanks Marco!) are ideal for the stage.
This demo was instructive in another way. Most of us would tweak the EQ of a preset to fit the speaker, since no FRFR is perfectly flat.
Through a pair of good headphones, I could hear the RK8's tweeter, and not in a good way. It might be great for acoustic though.
If you were to do a follow up on these two, I'd like to hear the same basic preset, but EQ'd to your taste, and then, hopefully, tell us what you did.
Thanks!
Marco - legend!
It's actually a great stage monitor. The closest sounding to an actual guitar amplifier. I have purchased 5 or 6 looking for the perfect tone and I thought I had finally found the one. Then I tried an RCF tt25cxl. It doesn't get any better than the RCF!
I'm pretty happy with my pair of QSC K10.2.. they're not cheap.. but regardless I think one of the most important things to remember with any FRFR are the EQ settings you're sending out from your modeler into the speakers.. you have some great tips on that in other videos.. thanks LT!
Those QSC's can pump out some serious clean power!
Apparently the RK 8 brings the bass response when standing on its side so the tweeter isn’t hitting the mic or face straight on . If you do any shootouts with it against the fender fr12 or anything else try that method . Going to pick one up soon for home and live jamming . Awesome demo man as always 🔥👊
Awesome idea!
The lick at 3.54 🥳
As a fellow semi hollow body owner. D'Angelico DC Premier with P90's. I love it, not up to your quality standards. But it is nice to see you rocking out with one Leon. Weird way of saying everyone should get a semi hollow and rock out.
There's definitely a special feeling playing a semi isn't there?
@@LeonTodd yes sir
That price tag! I’m set on the Headrush for the Bluetooth and the affordability. Is there something I’m missing for the price difference?
Sounds great! Might want to disable the compression for the louder stuff though on the DAW, you can hear it compressing when you dig in.
Pretty awesome though, I have a Headrush FRFR112 which I am quite happy with, if you've tried them how does this compare?
Can you make a comparison video with the fender fr-12
Sure... how about Fender $599 compared to $1200
That would be pretty interesting actually
@@LeonTodd can’t wait boss! Thank you 🙏
Leon - about to buy an FM3 based on yours and John Cordy’s experiences and videos. Massive thanks to you legends.
Do I go FRFR for home and small gig use? I’ve already got some Adam Audio studio monitors though so perhaps that’d be plenty to get me going?… Cheers mate!
Adams will be awesome for home use. Redsound make some great stuff for live, it's mostly a case of figuring out what will work best for you live.
@@LeonToddCheers Leon! Just played some Ragdoll to the kids in the car 🤘
This video was really informative for me because I'm trying to learn all the ways to hook up modeling preamps after 30 years of guitar amps, stacks, and outboard gear. Wasn't really sure what an FRFR was for if you have in ears and the audience can't hear the FRFR. Also if there is no FOH, I'm guessing one would use a guitar cab in that situation.
How many watts can these FRFRs usually take? I'm thinking of a Seymour Duncan Power Stage 700 because it's rack mountable and, unlike most of the kids these days, I still like my rack on casters. :)
Hi Leon, thank you very much. Habe you already tested the new Redsound ELIS.8 pro? Theo are somewhat smaller than the RK8 and take up less space on stage.
Briefly at the Melbourne guitar show last year. Great sounding monitor
Mmmm… More speaker options… I’ll be curious to hear how their guitar cab power amp stacks up against say, the Matrix. Cheers brother! 🤙🏻
If I was to buy an FM what is the best monitor solution for playing at home? Side note: I would like to do a wet dry wet setup would a FM9 be able to a W/D/W and how many monitors would it take to achieve this type of setup?
I prefer studio monitors at home. A good stereo setup makes W/D/W redundant IMO
To me the RK8 sounds more like a monitor speaker and the MF10 more like a guitar speaker cab.
I'd imagine the RK8 would start to sound a bit nasty once the volume was raised. The MF10 sounds much sweeter.
How do each of these compare to a clr mk2?
The RK8 and CLR are pretty similar, the mf10 has it's own thing going on
Maybe something got lost in transition here for me. I much prefer the MF10. Impossible to know exactly what you hear in the room, of course.
The MF10 is super smooth, really lovely to play if you don't like read "FRFR"
Furstus ?
You are Firstus and I am Secondus
@@LeonTodd Haha. Dog woke me up at 4:00 AM here.
Sevendus!!
I like turtles! 🐢
You've confused me: you say this product "doesn't sound like a guitar cab" (at 4:45, and I agree) but surely using an IR via an frfr unit SHOULD sound like a guitar cab ?
It's a bit more nuanced than that. What you hear from a modeller into an FRFR is more representative of, for example, what you would hear in the control room playing through an amp and a miced up cab in the live room, perhaps with added gating, compression or effects added at the console, while listening to the near field monitors at the desk, or alternatively, listening from an audience perspective to the amp and miced up cab running through the PA with whatever additional processing might be added at the board. Bear in mind that the IR incorporates a number of factors, including the mic's response curve & placement and to some extent, the room sound.
It sounds like a mic'd up guitar cab
I'll never uderstand how can people enjoy digital stuff live. It's ok only if you practiice at night with headphones.
It doesn't sound good, no meat , no bass and hollow. Sounds very digital and the price!
sounded very boxy to me.
Cue the "it actually is a box" joke 🤣
I will continue my fight to inform guitarists that they do not need FRFR cabs because they do not play bass, synth, or Chapman Stick; we could have just used the term "flat cab" and not misinformed people.
You mean “flat response?” I think that’s part of the FRFR lol.
using a modeler and logging around a frfr is the most stupid idea in history .why not use a real tube amp and speaker and sound better?
I did that for years, hauled a 6505+, rack, pedalboard and 4x12 to every rehearsal and gig. I had one clean channel, one dirty channel, a couple of overdrives, a few effects and a lot of tap dancing. With my Fractal, I have all the tones I need and then some, my main preset sounds indistinguishable from my 6505+ rig but the whole deal is far more versatile and much easier to haul. Instead of a rack, a head, a cab and a pedalboard with a complex cable loom to make it all work, I have a rack and two wedges, and a controller with a single XLR. It's subjective, of course, and your experience may not necessarily mirror mine.
You do realize that unless all the sound is coming from the stage and their is no PA System no one hears the cab except those on stage? Everyone else hears the mic, mic pre, etc. Which is the very thing an IR captures. Good modeling like that of FAS is already indistinguishable from the Amps it is modeling. On top of that no tubes to go out at the worst time, no hour of moving the mics around to get it sounding right for the venue, lighter weight, fewer points of failure in general.