Despite what some people think, and even though I didn't see it at GamesCon, I'm excited for Test Drive Solar Crown releasing soon. But I'm a huge Diablo fan, so I'm always on D4, but I'm excited for the DLC releasing for it in October and all the changes and new things coming. And I'm excited for Path Of Exile 2. Lol. Another ARPG like Diablo. Avowed looks fun, but I'm mad they scrapped the co-op. Starfield DLC looks interesting too.
@@joescivic Well, I'm excited for it too. I played both EA versions and the demo in the end, and while I'm not too keen on the studio behind it, I think they did a brilliant job with WRC Generations' handling and TT. However, the game felt somewhat cheap to me, just as I expected. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoyed it and I want it to be good. I even pre-ordered it for the 7-day early access, haha, it's a car game and I love Test Drive. I just hope it feels more polished upon release. As for Diablo, the first one I played was D4, and while I kind of enjoyed it, I didn’t stick with it, so maybe I need to give that game more time. I'm also happy about Wreckfest 2, though I'm not sure if it was at Gamescom. Oh, and I also saw Inzoi, that Sims-looking game, it seems good, haha. I'm hyped for Astro Bot, even though it's not in VR, which really pissed me off. I can't wait for Mafia: The Old Country. As for Starfield, it's a love-hate situation, I enjoyed it and even bought the collector's edition, but the marketing really pissed me off too. They lied about most of it, although the ship-building is top quality! Avowed has been on my radar for ages; I just hope they don't mess it up. I have zero trust for Xbox ATM!
@@feeldontbelieve6577 Yeah, I’ve had a huge break from GT7 due to work and kids, but I’m ready for GT8. I’m with you on Silent Hill, and the same goes for Final Fantasy. I missed them when I was younger, although I did play Silent Hill, but I don’t think I was old enough to appreciate it. I bought all the new Final Fantasy games but haven’t really tried them yet! Edit: forgot about MGS3, that is going to be sick! I loved MGS2 on the boat, just couldn’t get enough of shooting people in the nuts with the dart when I was young, haha!
@@AutomotiveVP Last time I played an rpg was Grandia 2 on steam just about 10 years ago. Was a big time rpg nut in the early 2000's though although now I would prefer something like Dragons Dogma if I was to play an RPG.again. I am more on the side of horror games these days. The Evil Within being in my top three fav games of all time. If I wasn't so engrossed in GT7 I would play the sh!t out of MGS5 and games like dragons dogma. I haven't played an open world game since Stalker SoC about 5 or so years ago.
and it's even funnier when you realize that this model only partially dates back to Forza Motorsport 2, because they made some changes to it for Motorsport 5, so really it is 2 generations behind despite being made for the very previous generation of consoles
How anyone can defend FM with a straight face is beyond me. FM have one or two passable models. with GT7 every model is on par with what you'd expect as a car enthusiast. not just passable models but the best models the hardware can handle.
At least you can play forza on PC. Haven't played GT since the ps3 days because I grew up and built a PC. I do remember however GT5 was very arcade like in the way the cars handled.
@@matthewhaywood7411 back then not enough people on console were running sim setups now that the GT5 audience have all grown up and bought PCs and DD wheels I’m sure it’s a lot better but i only really play AC and RaceRoom these days with a little CarX Street on the side. I’m hoping GT will come to PC but it’s the only worthwhile exclusive Sony have so I’m sure it won’t.
@@torturedtyresdepartment I'd love to give it a go, but I can't justify the cost of a PS5 for literally one game. Forza has been going downhill massively since 4. I don't think they'd still exist if it weren't for game pass and 12 year olds playing the horizon games.
GT7 always takes the cake for the car model! 👏🏻 So sad the one in Forza is inaccurately modeled, as it keeps getting reused from the X360 era, looked like a toy car.
@@M-hq9xz Only a handful of good modeled cars in Forza are the ones that are new from FM4 (mostly the Autovista cars), FH1, the Xbox One era titles, and the ones that are recently new to FM8 like the Evo III. I only say that car models from FM1-FM3 are considered bad, because they’re out of proportion compared to the actual cars from real life and they’re reused over and over again by upscaling them instead of properly rescanning them. This isn’t 2008 anymore, we’re all in 2024 and these car models should be all accurate like GT7. 🙂
That always makes me laugh, because calculated out, that tire would be 4.8” wide, 71.4” tall, with a 67” inch wheel. Basically old horse wagon wheels. 😂
This is hardly a suprice at this point, the e36 in forza is an outdated model from at least fm2 but proably recycled since fm1, The need to get their act together, Gt7 model is beautiful thats what built from the ground up looks like
@@andreasmoller9798 The reason why it looks overall bad in FM is not necessary because its an old model. I think the reason is more the poor reflection on surface and how the stock paints in FM look. If they fix this to make cars look less like plastic even the old models will look a lot better.
I will never favor Forza over GT. Why? Because Kazunori Yamauchi is not only a developer. He is also a photographer and a race car driver who participated in 24h Nurburgring, so he was inspired and caught the very essence of what a racing game should look and feel. He is not just a developer, he is also an artist. Meanwhile at Forza developer, we have a bunch of dude bros fighting over Chevy vs Ford, all they’re concerned about if money and banging chicks at weekend.
as a E36 owner i feel like motorsport just copied and pasted google images and tried to detail it up a bit more. but the gt7 it's spot on, it's like they took a screenshot and built it side by side
That is sadly the truth. I am sure pd have good amount of cars ready, but Sony dosent allow them to release it until its a perfect time. That is how buisness works, if fm was better Sony would tell pd to release more of that stuff to stay a head of fm. I belive if it was pd decicion they would release more content overall.
I don't think so, people will buy Forza anyways, after all, it's got a slew of 10/10 in the press and the mainstream gaming journalists constantly praise it. Only a niche of gamers are aware of the quality gap.
Fun fact, the developers still are reusing the old models since Forza Motorsport 2 and 3, take a look at Skyline R32 headlights, they are similar from the old and recent games.
@@Blue_Y2K6167 the R32 was completely remodeled for Motorsport 5... but it's still entirely deformed a better example would be the Silvia S13 (not the S15) which debuted in Motorsport 2 and is using the same model ever since
Wow, that BMW looks just like the BMW a friend of mine drives. The small details and especially the blinker lights with the orange part of the bulb and the breaking lights. Unreal
Regarding optimising games for the Series S- no, it doesn't mean the quality of Series X games is reduced. Optimizations are made in several ways, for example every car model will have multiple Level of Detail models- these LoDs reduce as the cars move further from the camera. The highest LoD visible on the Series S will likely be the 2nd or 3rd LoD on the Series X. It's the same with the PS5 and PS4 versions of GT7 or playing on a TV versus VR on PS5. Other savings will be made by using less complex shaders, cutting ray tracing, rendering fewer transparencies (foliage, decals) , reducing draw distances and so on. None of these things take a significant amount of time to set up or cause a reduction of quality on more powerful hardware.
3:20 All cars have orange peel in the clear coat (European & Asian as well) I’ve worked in auto body repair for 30+ years & it’s actually for a reason, it helps to deflect the suns rays so the clearcoat lasts longer to protect the paint.
@@jordanjoestar8839 Maybe it’s on the higher end vehicles, don’t work on too many Porsches but the Audi’s that I work on do have orange peel, it’s lesser than some other manufacturers but it’s still there. Technology is always advancing too.
@@jordanjoestar8839Yes they have techniques to minimise the effect, but the effect is still there. All paintwork will have it to some degree. Even hyper cars and supercars have it. It's simply a product of paint, it's that simple. Every single car I'm GT looks like a shiny plastic surface. I'm not saying the colour representation is bad, or even that the paint representation is bad. Forzas is simply more realistic. And that's a fact. And the guy making these videos hasn't a clue about cars in general. Making completely baseless statements like the panels look of etc. Or that look at GT7s paintwork "it's metallic with no orange peel". A statement made by someone who hasn't a clue.
@@mrpositronia that’s probably because the clearcoat has faded off the top layer, the clearcoat will eventually fade after direct sunlight for long periods of time & start to lose the orange peel.
1:50 if anyone is wondering why this walk around looks so naturally; it was captured in VR while the person with the headset sees it in real 3D and 1:1 worldscale.
@@swilleh_T'a grande gueule.. Aucun joueur de GT7 n'ont utilisé des microtransactions.. Moi je suis a 2800 h sur GT7 je n'ai jamais dépensé de l'argent sur des microtransactions .
GT has always been leagues ahead of Forza in graphics and physics it just lacks in the modification side, i remember back on ps3 GT car models were unto 200k polys and Forza's was 30k , i have no idea how many they are now
Indeed. I prefer Forza Horizon 5 than any other racing game but no comparison as GT7 is not in the same league as FM. But without a doubt Gran Turismo 7 is a lot better than Forza Motorsport. Besides the Forza Motorsport came out last year while as Gran Turismo 7 came out in 2022. They just nailed Gran Turismo 7. A lot better than Gran Turismo 6 or 5.
Eww! Brother eww! What's that brother?!? Whoever designed those headlight/taillights should be fired on the spot! That said, I feel in love with the 99' M5 from need for speed high stakes and sadly GT7 has a severe lack of M5s in game. Good to see you again mate. Another through deconstruction of a series that used to be a contender for GT but sadly decided hiring people for 8 months then firing them won't produce good results lol
Not understood. Requesting elaboration. EDIT: You mean GT7 is like the gametrailer of a Ubisoft-game, meaning good, and Forza is like the Ubisoft-game after release, which is bad?
Truly fallen from grace. Horizon is the the main focus game now for them and that one even seem uncertain now. Ironically there are cars that are more detailed in that than Motorsport. Hate to see it, because I much prefer Forza physics.
GT7 is beautiful though, even if there is some upscaling shenanigans going on PS5. The artstyle and direction they chose is super realism, and it just looks good. Doesn't even need the Ray Tracing. SSR looks fine anyway in almost all games that actually put time into developing good looking reflections.
Forza Motorsport isn’t even in the same league as Gran Turismo for the detail. It honestly feels 4/5 generations behind. In fact, I’d compare FM8 to Gran Turismo 4…
I have both games and they both need work to get near the peaks if their respective franchises in terms of vibe, playability and fun. It's a shame they used as many old gen car models as they have on forza motorsport and it makes it very easy to cherry pick for comparisons as I have already done myself to the point of boredom. I'd say overall the car's are more detailed on GT7 but the gap is a lot closer when comparing some of the newest car models in forza motorsport. The environmental fidelity, lighting and weather effects of forza motorsport are at times a fair bit ahead of GT7 but GT7 is definitely ahead in game structure. As usual motorsport is ahead when it comes to engine and drivetrain swapping, but as that's never been a thing in the GT franchise it doesn't really matter much. I always drive in the interior veiw so I find how the cars look from there is more relevant to me, and from that perspective some cars look better on GT7 and some cars look better on forza motorsport. Both games have improved with updates and GT7 has over a years worth of updates over what forza motorsport has had, so I'll give it some more time before I properly score it, as I rated GT7 around 4 out of 10 at launch but would give it around 7.5 out 10 now. If you just want to jump onto a driving game for some quick shits and giggles FH5 has them both beat because graphical fidelity is down a lot further on the list than playability and fun are.
@@kaisersoymilk6912 I know many people who have done engine swaps in the UK. The only difference with forza is you can do it on new cars when in reality people mostly do it on older cars. I put a race tuned 2.1 pinto into an HA van back in the 90's, it was hilarious as it looked pretty much standard but ate GTI's off the line. You'll also find that a lot British hotrods have a rover V8 or ford V6 and box running a jaguar IRS. You sir do not know what you are talking about in your desperation to try and defend GT7.😂
The Japanese have been buying crate 2JZ's a long time to fit into drift builds etc on classic jdm motors as well. If you're building a resto-mod performance car out of a classic, engine and transmission swaps are a no brainer because to try and squeeze big power out of an old engine isn't always possible and can cost a shed load of money for not as much power as you can get from an engine swap. Even tuning the standard motor as much as you can doesn't guarantee that the standard transmission can take that power either. A friend of mine fitted a 3.0 v6 out of a 406 into a 206, and I once see a Mk2 astra with the 2.5 V6 from a cavalier/calibra fitted into it. Have you ever even been to a custom car show? Did you ever read Max Power when it was in publication?
@@kaisersoymilk6912 I'm considering putting the 2.3 supercharged engine with a 230hp pulley upgrade kit thats in my slk into a Mercedes 190E as it's a reasonably straightforward build. I'll leave the 190E looking pretty standard other than lowering itt as a standard looking 190E with 230hp will surprise people with how well it gets down the road.
I have appreciated the details from GT for many generations. I've also played Forza and enjoy it as well. But, seeing people seriously say the car modeling on Forza is better is just insane. 😂
I've been playing FM for a while and I think the game looks great but now that I've seen these GT7 comparisons holy shit does GT7 look good! I wish GT7 was on PC.
There is a room (can't think of the exact name of it right now) you go to when selecting to paint where you can look around the cars and zoom in and change the time of day so you can see it in different light. No, this is not in scapes. Scapes uses real life backgrounds. You wouldn't be able to do what he shows in scapes. Scapes is just for taking photos. Not walking or looking around.
@101francis101 Well, to be fair, FM only has an extremely dark showroom/Forzavista. Makes it tough to see much of anything. And even when you're inside the car looking at the interior, they completely limited the amount of head turn you can do inside when compared to Foza Horizon or past Motorsport games. I wonder why. Sure, though, needing a VR headset to inspect the inside is a shame for those who don't have one. VR in GT7 is an amazing feature. VR gives you several different rooms or outside scenery to choose from, and change the time of day with the click of a button. But there is a way to see the exterior in the livery section under "preview." Your car is placed on a rooftop parking lot or something, with about 4 options like sunset, clear, etc. Scapes, like I said, are just real life backgrounds. So you won't be able to rotate or walk around the cars like a 3D environment, but you're able to rotate the cars and place them however you like in those scapes. Then you can zoom in on them and aim the camera however you like that way. You just can't walk around the car and inspect it in scapes.
@@joescivic I wonder if they’ve deliberately withheld the “walk around” feature to push for VR sales. It seems like it would be quite simple to include the feature for non VR players - it would only serve to increase admiration for the level of detail in a more accessible way. Scapes and the paint shop preview are better than nothing, but it’s clearly not their main function.
turn 10 is quite literally the embodiment of "putting lipstick on a pig." They recycle very old models over and over again so that they can boast about how big their car list is but they don't actually care about those older cars at all. They are just carelessly thrown in to serve as a marketing tool. Polyphony on the other hand actually respects classic cars and they go as far as to update their cars from game to game especially if they learn that a previous version of their car isn't entirely accurate. Its quality over quantity from GT vs quantity over quality from Forza
Wtf does it care ? Forza is dead . After FM6 they went downhill with the speed of light . Now with crossplay ( pc Xbox ) they have LESS players than older Forza’s . And T10 just never listens . I play for 14 years + Forza and they never listened.
These "ground up" videos are getting old. Let people play what they want. Not everyone has time to stare and zoom in on car details before each race. Plus, that is not the Series X version you're displaying. Trying to make FM look bad.
Who is telling who what to play or not to play? Nobody. Like I said to someone else making this same silly comment. And also like I told him, there are multiple comparison videos for all sorts of games. Comparison videos existed for a long time. Even on Series X, FM still looks this way...on a calibrated, 4K HDR QLEad TV with the in-game brightness not jacked up. It still looks like a plastic toy car. Every FM since 2005, because I own them all, have given off a plastic look.
@@MultiSpokes And I'm telling you how it is. No one is telling anyone what to play. On a Series X, on a nice display, it still looks this way. You don't have to try making it look any type of way to see this.
@@joescivic Well, these comparisons are getting dumber by the day. And as I said, the author is trying to make Forza look bad, which quite fortunately, it isn't. In other words, such videos are a senseless bias, and dumb, for lack of a better word.
@MultiSpokes The game itself does that. It is nowhere near the quality the developers said, and not worthy of being a new gen and PC only title. It still looks like a last gen game. Why don't you go to the other hundreds of comparison channels and complain about comparisons then? Some people enjoy comparisons. I docit on my own when I play both games. I know others do too. It's like me complaining I don't like pineapple on my pizza when other people do. So then I go and tell people how senseless and dumb it is. Ridiculous
Cars made on the American continent are the worst versions you can get of any car. Pick any brand that manufactures in the US or Mexico and compare it against the same brand made in Europe and China and it's shocking the difference in panel gaps, paint quality, reliability and so on. I'm talking VW, Mercedes, Tesla, BMW, Ford, etc. So maybe when commenters see horrible looking paint copy-pasted on every vehicle in Forza it's actually accurate to what cars are like in the US!
Gran Turismo 7 has lapped appalling and shameful Forza a dozen times in a 7 lap race. It's infuriating. Still, though both need unlimited automatic real time replay saving both locally and to online servers. It's basically 2025, anything less is inexcusable and unacceptable.
As a Forza fanboy I have been thoroughly let down by them the past few installments. I wish they had real competition on PC and Xbox that would push them to do better. Horizon 2, Motorsport 6 and Horizon 3 was peak. That was about a decade ago.
Mate, hats off to u, working on these vids with everything else life throws up taking up time. I recently bought FM on PC, gladly on a discount. I gotta say its disppointing. I repaired (repasted) my 11yrs old PS4 a few weeks ago and GT7 looks stunning. its a better game in everyway. Even down to the singleplayer with the GT cafe and GT world map, feels like less of a mindless grind compared with FM, it just make things more interesting for car enthusiasts. Polyphony atd is crazy good, even down to the exterior textured plastic trims for the doors. Suprising the PS4 is really punching above its weight with GT7. I Doubt FM is even optimised for a Series S.
The model used in Forza has been the same since Forza Motorsport 3 which released on the Xbox 360 in 2009, as someone who has owned multiple E36s in real life the Forza model has always bugged me...
Yes. I had the X360 in that generation and Forza 3 felt like an FPS on wheels rather than a car game, completely devoid of any remotely realistic phisycs.
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Has anyone been watching Gamescom? What games are you looking forward to?
Despite what some people think, and even though I didn't see it at GamesCon, I'm excited for Test Drive Solar Crown releasing soon.
But I'm a huge Diablo fan, so I'm always on D4, but I'm excited for the DLC releasing for it in October and all the changes and new things coming.
And I'm excited for Path Of Exile 2. Lol. Another ARPG like Diablo.
Avowed looks fun, but I'm mad they scrapped the co-op.
Starfield DLC looks interesting too.
MGS3. Man do I neeed a break from GT7. Silent Hill 2, I never played the original but I know I would like it!
@@joescivic Well, I'm excited for it too. I played both EA versions and the demo in the end, and while I'm not too keen on the studio behind it, I think they did a brilliant job with WRC Generations' handling and TT. However, the game felt somewhat cheap to me, just as I expected. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoyed it and I want it to be good. I even pre-ordered it for the 7-day early access, haha, it's a car game and I love Test Drive. I just hope it feels more polished upon release. As for Diablo, the first one I played was D4, and while I kind of enjoyed it, I didn’t stick with it, so maybe I need to give that game more time. I'm also happy about Wreckfest 2, though I'm not sure if it was at Gamescom. Oh, and I also saw Inzoi, that Sims-looking game, it seems good, haha. I'm hyped for Astro Bot, even though it's not in VR, which really pissed me off. I can't wait for Mafia: The Old Country. As for Starfield, it's a love-hate situation, I enjoyed it and even bought the collector's edition, but the marketing really pissed me off too. They lied about most of it, although the ship-building is top quality! Avowed has been on my radar for ages; I just hope they don't mess it up. I have zero trust for Xbox ATM!
@@feeldontbelieve6577 Yeah, I’ve had a huge break from GT7 due to work and kids, but I’m ready for GT8. I’m with you on Silent Hill, and the same goes for Final Fantasy. I missed them when I was younger, although I did play Silent Hill, but I don’t think I was old enough to appreciate it. I bought all the new Final Fantasy games but haven’t really tried them yet! Edit: forgot about MGS3, that is going to be sick! I loved MGS2 on the boat, just couldn’t get enough of shooting people in the nuts with the dart when I was young, haha!
@@AutomotiveVP Last time I played an rpg was Grandia 2 on steam just about 10 years ago. Was a big time rpg nut in the early 2000's though although now I would prefer something like Dragons Dogma if I was to play an RPG.again. I am more on the side of horror games these days. The Evil Within being in my top three fav games of all time. If I wasn't so engrossed in GT7 I would play the sh!t out of MGS5 and games like dragons dogma. I haven't played an open world game since Stalker SoC about 5 or so years ago.
These comparison videos never get old. FM was literally built from the ground down.
Hahahaha the perfect way to put it
Built? More like shat out!
😂😂😂😂 True Story
Truly a highway to hell
Straight up they could have called it forza 7 remastered
This comparison is one of the most jarring I've seen. Forza's car model literally looks two generations behind.
There are other videos that show the exact opposite for graphics. Now I'm confused
Where can we see these mythical videos you speak of goofball.
and it's even funnier when you realize that this model only partially dates back to Forza Motorsport 2, because they made some changes to it for Motorsport 5, so really it is 2 generations behind despite being made for the very previous generation of consoles
@@askmyAKI've got loads.
@@Brewticusregardless of camparsions videos the m3 e36 will always look bad in forza its an outdated model.
I'm an E36 owner and the GT7 really looks accurate. I play Forza Motorsport but the gt7 takes the win in car details.
Please don’t make me jealous.
True!
Plus, the GT7 version doesn’t have the orange eyesore blinker lights!
"takes the win" you play GRID Autosport also?
@@Kev27RSgt7 uses the euro spec FM uses the US spec...and yes it's uglier lol
@@Michaelation08 True! 😁
Polyphony Digital is by no means has a perfect product, but their vehicle modeling is basically unrivaled.
you're right, game has some flaws and it's far from perfect, but you can easily feel their passion to cars nearly every second spent in game
Not far from perfect. If they worked on the sound a little more.
The M3 in GT looks bloody crisp.
@@isaacsrandomvideos667 Especially with HDR 🥵
@@AutomotiveVP the m3 in gt7 makes you feel you are in real car
@@olavofernandes7286 GTs lighting is on point! 👌
Forza: Neptune cooking
Gt7: spongebob cooking
Im impressed with how much detail they've put in (GT7), those metalic flecks in paint!
How anyone can defend FM with a straight face is beyond me. FM have one or two passable models. with GT7 every model is on par with what you'd expect as a car enthusiast. not just passable models but the best models the hardware can handle.
At least you can play forza on PC. Haven't played GT since the ps3 days because I grew up and built a PC. I do remember however GT5 was very arcade like in the way the cars handled.
@@matthewhaywood7411 back then not enough people on console were running sim setups now that the GT5 audience have all grown up and bought PCs and DD wheels I’m sure it’s a lot better but i only really play AC and RaceRoom these days with a little CarX Street on the side. I’m hoping GT will come to PC but it’s the only worthwhile exclusive Sony have so I’m sure it won’t.
@@torturedtyresdepartment I'd love to give it a go, but I can't justify the cost of a PS5 for literally one game. Forza has been going downhill massively since 4. I don't think they'd still exist if it weren't for game pass and 12 year olds playing the horizon games.
Jesus i can smell the elitism through the screen @@matthewhaywood7411
@@matthewhaywood7411 I mean... I have other games for my ps5... But I can confidently say I play GT7 probably 90% of the time I use it.
GT7 always takes the cake for the car model! 👏🏻
So sad the one in Forza is inaccurately modeled, as it keeps getting reused from the X360 era, looked like a toy car.
@@Rustic_3851 Forza Motorsport has really good models, but on this channel he will for sure only show the worst and oldest ones.
@@M-hq9xz Only a handful of good modeled cars in Forza are the ones that are new from FM4 (mostly the Autovista cars), FH1, the Xbox One era titles, and the ones that are recently new to FM8 like the Evo III.
I only say that car models from FM1-FM3 are considered bad, because they’re out of proportion compared to the actual cars from real life and they’re reused over and over again by upscaling them instead of properly rescanning them.
This isn’t 2008 anymore, we’re all in 2024 and these car models should be all accurate like GT7. 🙂
@@M-hq9xz it's to point out that these old models don't belong in any video game made after 2012, let alone in 2023
I'm a Forza fan, but GT7 graphics and attention to detail are just amazing.
Roasting FM on this channel will never get old for me 😆👌
Yessir😂
Truth
👊👊 Thanks bro!
GT7: What's up, can a loc come up in your crib?
Noone comes even close to GT7. Polyphony Digital‘s
quality is mindblowing
Ah yes, the good old 123/45ZR67 tire size! 😂 1:19
lmao good catch
I like the 123/45ZR69s better. Stickier compound,great in the wet,but they get hot quick
wow lol
That always makes me laugh, because calculated out, that tire would be 4.8” wide, 71.4” tall, with a 67” inch wheel. Basically old horse wagon wheels. 😂
Lolllll
This is hardly a suprice at this point, the e36 in forza is an outdated model from at least fm2 but proably recycled since fm1,
The need to get their act together,
Gt7 model is beautiful thats what built from the ground up looks like
True, and M3 E36 didn’t appear in FM1, so yes, its model in Forza is recycled from FM2, aka the start of its X360 era.
@@Rustic_3851 wtf😭
@@Rustic_3851 definitely not the original. that's the original xbox. This at least looks better than that.
@@andreasmoller9798 The reason why it looks overall bad in FM is not necessary because its an old model. I think the reason is more the poor reflection on surface and how the stock paints in FM look. If they fix this to make cars look less like plastic even the old models will look a lot better.
Didn't Gt5/6 do this with all the old models? This is the first generation where every car is built from the ground.
I will never favor Forza over GT. Why? Because Kazunori Yamauchi is not only a developer. He is also a photographer and a race car driver who participated in 24h Nurburgring, so he was inspired and caught the very essence of what a racing game should look and feel. He is not just a developer, he is also an artist. Meanwhile at Forza developer, we have a bunch of dude bros fighting over Chevy vs Ford, all they’re concerned about if money and banging chicks at weekend.
as a E36 owner i feel like motorsport just copied and pasted google images and tried to detail it up a bit more. but the gt7 it's spot on, it's like they took a screenshot and built it side by side
If F8 was better than GT7, it'd made GT7 push harder ... more cars, tracks, updates, options, more often.
100%
That is sadly the truth. I am sure pd have good amount of cars ready, but Sony dosent allow them to release it until its a perfect time. That is how buisness works, if fm was better Sony would tell pd to release more of that stuff to stay a head of fm.
I belive if it was pd decicion they would release more content overall.
I get your point, but imo, GT7 is pushing already.
I don't think so, people will buy Forza anyways, after all, it's got a slew of 10/10 in the press and the mainstream gaming journalists constantly praise it. Only a niche of gamers are aware of the quality gap.
@@kaisersoymilk6912 and less care than some of us would wish to believe
Fun fact, the developers still are reusing the old models since Forza Motorsport 2 and 3, take a look at Skyline R32 headlights, they are similar from the old and recent games.
Copy paste, without retexturing and etc...
@@MyBikeLife Yes, the developers are very lazy to reuse the same car models, textures and materials for 10+ years.
@@Blue_Y2K6167 the R32 was completely remodeled for Motorsport 5... but it's still entirely deformed
a better example would be the Silvia S13 (not the S15) which debuted in Motorsport 2 and is using the same model ever since
Wow, that BMW looks just like the BMW a friend of mine drives. The small details and especially the blinker lights with the orange part of the bulb and the breaking lights. Unreal
Forza fanboy here, GT7 destroyed FM 😢
For the longest time, I never understood how some people think Forza looks better. Glad to see these comparisons surface
The detail is absolutely incredible in GT7 but what is up with those tire specs lol. 123 width tire, 45 side wall, and 67 inch wheel???
I‘m happy that GT7 has a later model version without the orange *eyesore* blinker lights!
GT7’s M3 looks so good!
i think both are the later model. it's just forza using the usdm, gt using the eudm version
@@Glukosekoenig Yeah, that might be the case.
Regarding optimising games for the Series S- no, it doesn't mean the quality of Series X games is reduced. Optimizations are made in several ways, for example every car model will have multiple Level of Detail models- these LoDs reduce as the cars move further from the camera. The highest LoD visible on the Series S will likely be the 2nd or 3rd LoD on the Series X. It's the same with the PS5 and PS4 versions of GT7 or playing on a TV versus VR on PS5. Other savings will be made by using less complex shaders, cutting ray tracing, rendering fewer transparencies (foliage, decals) , reducing draw distances and so on. None of these things take a significant amount of time to set up or cause a reduction of quality on more powerful hardware.
3:20 All cars have orange peel in the clear coat (European & Asian as well) I’ve worked in auto body repair for 30+ years & it’s actually for a reason, it helps to deflect the suns rays so the clearcoat lasts longer to protect the paint.
Then why does Audi/Porsche use a machine that can spray within a few microns of perfect accuracy to purposely avoid it?
@@jordanjoestar8839 Maybe it’s on the higher end vehicles, don’t work on too many Porsches but the Audi’s that I work on do have orange peel, it’s lesser than some other manufacturers but it’s still there. Technology is always advancing too.
@@jordanjoestar8839Yes they have techniques to minimise the effect, but the effect is still there. All paintwork will have it to some degree. Even hyper cars and supercars have it. It's simply a product of paint, it's that simple. Every single car I'm GT looks like a shiny plastic surface. I'm not saying the colour representation is bad, or even that the paint representation is bad. Forzas is simply more realistic. And that's a fact. And the guy making these videos hasn't a clue about cars in general. Making completely baseless statements like the panels look of etc. Or that look at GT7s paintwork "it's metallic with no orange peel". A statement made by someone who hasn't a clue.
My 2015 white Kia Rio doesn't have orange peel paint.
@@mrpositronia that’s probably because the clearcoat has faded off the top layer, the clearcoat will eventually fade after direct sunlight for long periods of time & start to lose the orange peel.
1:50 if anyone is wondering why this walk around looks so naturally; it was captured in VR while the person with the headset sees it in real 3D and 1:1 worldscale.
Forza is comparable to a game. Gt7 is comparable to real life
micro transactions too? quite realistic indeed
@@swilleh_T'a grande gueule.. Aucun joueur de GT7 n'ont utilisé des microtransactions.. Moi je suis a 2800 h sur GT7 je n'ai jamais dépensé de l'argent sur des microtransactions .
@@swilleh_ optional.
@@swilleh_it’s far from being a pay to get the car type of thing. Never spent a dime and have every car with marginal gaming.
@@charles-davidberube1174 I'm a huge GT7 fan, but man, these prices in Legendary cars are ridiculous
gt7 is the best looking racing game.
Just look for all those haters on GT official accounts, claming Forza is superior or just hating. I think GT deserves more credit.
Yeah,FM7 is better than FM8.
It would more realistic if there was oil underneath it 😂
хахахахаха!!!
@@nervniy_tipchik6800hahaha u mean?
@@estertreier2779 yes
GT has always been leagues ahead of Forza in graphics and physics it just lacks in the modification side, i remember back on ps3 GT car models were unto 200k polys and Forza's was 30k , i have no idea how many they are now
GT 7 shitted on FM in many ways, Forza Horizon is the only Forza that should be around, Playground Games do a much better work than Turn 10
I love seeing car details on GT7 using PSVR2 and just enjoy the feel of the car that i can never be able to buy it on real life , detail is so sick
As a Forza fan 🤙🤙Wowzers GT lab have nailed it!
GT7 is also built from the ground up…
Only for the E36, don’t worry
Es conmovedor ver el amor que tiene Polyphony por los coches.
Indeed. I prefer Forza Horizon 5 than any other racing game but no comparison as GT7 is not in the same league as FM. But without a doubt Gran Turismo 7 is a lot better than Forza Motorsport. Besides the Forza Motorsport came out last year while as Gran Turismo 7 came out in 2022. They just nailed Gran Turismo 7. A lot better than Gran Turismo 6 or 5.
"2 emcee's can't occupy the same space at the same time, it's against the laws of physics."
Eww! Brother eww! What's that brother?!? Whoever designed those headlight/taillights should be fired on the spot! That said, I feel in love with the 99' M5 from need for speed high stakes and sadly GT7 has a severe lack of M5s in game. Good to see you again mate. Another through deconstruction of a series that used to be a contender for GT but sadly decided hiring people for 8 months then firing them won't produce good results lol
GT: Ubisoft game Gameplay trailer
Forza: Ubisoft game actual gameplay
Not understood. Requesting elaboration.
EDIT: You mean GT7 is like the gametrailer of a Ubisoft-game, meaning good, and Forza is like the Ubisoft-game after release, which is bad?
@klauslehrmann3906 Trailers for ubisoft games are amazing like GT7( attn to detail etc.)...the final release is average....just like Forza games.
@@m.e.zz.e.m6546 Yes, I see I did understand correctly. I was too quick to ask. T.y. for your reply. As an AC-fan, I should know that about Ubisoft.
@klauslehrmann3906 like wise...I'm an AC fan aswell 🤣. Regardless i still love Ubisoft games.
@@m.e.zz.e.m6546 I just don't even play AC anymore, but I have my statues from it. All hail free will.
I am a fan on forza until forza 2 and the f8 was my biggest deception of the year!
my dream car, thanks for the video!
The body design is not even close to the same I thought Forza was using 3d scan technology? Did the machine breakdown?
GT7 looks way better, I own both games and I wish I could move Forza’s handeling and physics model to GT7. That would be so perfect
Truly fallen from grace. Horizon is the the main focus game now for them and that one even seem uncertain now. Ironically there are cars that are more detailed in that than Motorsport. Hate to see it, because I much prefer Forza physics.
GT7 is beautiful though, even if there is some upscaling shenanigans going on PS5. The artstyle and direction they chose is super realism, and it just looks good. Doesn't even need the Ray Tracing. SSR looks fine anyway in almost all games that actually put time into developing good looking reflections.
You commented, liked your own comment, replied to your own comment and liked your own comment again. Lmao emberassing.
@@Stance1988 I didn't like my own comment, and I "replied to myself" to add on to what I said.
@@Stance1988 If you had half a brain you'd realize my second comment is a continuation of the first.
@@Stance1988 Oh and btw *Embarrassing
GT7: looks like a real car
FM: looks like a poorly upsclaled texture 😂
It has more details than actual car!
We need GT7 on pc..
current Forza Motorsport is just FM4 in 4k
Forza Motorsport isn’t even in the same league as Gran Turismo for the detail. It honestly feels 4/5 generations behind. In fact, I’d compare FM8 to Gran Turismo 4…
Although GT4 cars didn't have interiors.
Gran Turismo has always had the edge in photo-realism.
But the gap has only broadened with time it would seem.
One thing they got wrong is the dashboard with no air bag other than that the gt model is just beautiful
Are you still doing the in-depth Xbox VS PS video 🙏
Forza lied!!!
Not build from the ground up. There forza 3 models!!!
I have both games and they both need work to get near the peaks if their respective franchises in terms of vibe, playability and fun.
It's a shame they used as many old gen car models as they have on forza motorsport and it makes it very easy to cherry pick for comparisons as I have already done myself to the point of boredom.
I'd say overall the car's are more detailed on GT7 but the gap is a lot closer when comparing some of the newest car models in forza motorsport.
The environmental fidelity, lighting and weather effects of forza motorsport are at times a fair bit ahead of GT7 but GT7 is definitely ahead in game structure.
As usual motorsport is ahead when it comes to engine and drivetrain swapping, but as that's never been a thing in the GT franchise it doesn't really matter much.
I always drive in the interior veiw so I find how the cars look from there is more relevant to me, and from that perspective some cars look better on GT7 and some cars look better on forza motorsport.
Both games have improved with updates and GT7 has over a years worth of updates over what forza motorsport has had, so I'll give it some more time before I properly score it, as I rated GT7 around 4 out of 10 at launch but would give it around 7.5 out 10 now.
If you just want to jump onto a driving game for some quick shits and giggles FH5 has them both beat because graphical fidelity is down a lot further on the list than playability and fun are.
Engine and transmission swapping is an American thing. Many European car enthusiasts (and I guess the Japanese too?) abhor the practice.
@@kaisersoymilk6912 I know many people who have done engine swaps in the UK.
The only difference with forza is you can do it on new cars when in reality people mostly do it on older cars.
I put a race tuned 2.1 pinto into an HA van back in the 90's, it was hilarious as it looked pretty much standard but ate GTI's off the line.
You'll also find that a lot British hotrods have a rover V8 or ford V6 and box running a jaguar IRS.
You sir do not know what you are talking about in your desperation to try and defend GT7.😂
The Japanese have been buying crate 2JZ's a long time to fit into drift builds etc on classic jdm motors as well.
If you're building a resto-mod performance car out of a classic, engine and transmission swaps are a no brainer because to try and squeeze big power out of an old engine isn't always possible and can cost a shed load of money for not as much power as you can get from an engine swap.
Even tuning the standard motor as much as you can doesn't guarantee that the standard transmission can take that power either.
A friend of mine fitted a 3.0 v6 out of a 406 into a 206, and I once see a Mk2 astra with the 2.5 V6 from a cavalier/calibra fitted into it.
Have you ever even been to a custom car show?
Did you ever read Max Power when it was in publication?
My neighbour is currently in the process of swapping a red top 2.0 16 valve from an astra gte into his combo van.😂
@@kaisersoymilk6912 I'm considering putting the 2.3 supercharged engine with a 230hp pulley upgrade kit thats in my slk into a Mercedes 190E as it's a reasonably straightforward build.
I'll leave the 190E looking pretty standard other than lowering itt as a standard looking 190E with 230hp will surprise people with how well it gets down the road.
Whats the problem? In Gt7 we can see the European model, in Forza the Usa model.
i'm a truly forza fanboy, but man........GT is waaaaaay ahead in this
Forza always loses in these comparisons against GT7
How do you access that walk around garage in GT7?
VR headset mode
GT7:lets make a race game with best graphics!
Forza:lets make game to earn money!
I have appreciated the details from GT for many generations. I've also played Forza and enjoy it as well. But, seeing people seriously say the car modeling on Forza is better is just insane. 😂
I've been playing FM for a while and I think the game looks great but now that I've seen these GT7 comparisons holy shit does GT7 look good!
I wish GT7 was on PC.
Bro just buy a ps5 and enjoy
@@EB720Sno
I guess everyone is waiting for Gt7 on pc 😂😂😂
@@EB720S It's easy to buy a PS5 Slim now.
@@rakadanendra5501 It should be the ONLY PS5 exclusive.
Kudos to PD, their work is beautiful
Is it possible to walk around the car without VR? Is this in scapes?
There is a room (can't think of the exact name of it right now) you go to when selecting to paint where you can look around the cars and zoom in and change the time of day so you can see it in different light.
No, this is not in scapes. Scapes uses real life backgrounds. You wouldn't be able to do what he shows in scapes. Scapes is just for taking photos. Not walking or looking around.
Go to the livery
@@joescivic this works to see the detail on the car. It’s a shame there aren’t more backgrounds to choose from.
@101francis101 Well, to be fair, FM only has an extremely dark showroom/Forzavista. Makes it tough to see much of anything. And even when you're inside the car looking at the interior, they completely limited the amount of head turn you can do inside when compared to Foza Horizon or past Motorsport games. I wonder why.
Sure, though, needing a VR headset to inspect the inside is a shame for those who don't have one. VR in GT7 is an amazing feature. VR gives you several different rooms or outside scenery to choose from, and change the time of day with the click of a button. But there is a way to see the exterior in the livery section under "preview." Your car is placed on a rooftop parking lot or something, with about 4 options like sunset, clear, etc.
Scapes, like I said, are just real life backgrounds. So you won't be able to rotate or walk around the cars like a 3D environment, but you're able to rotate the cars and place them however you like in those scapes. Then you can zoom in on them and aim the camera however you like that way. You just can't walk around the car and inspect it in scapes.
@@joescivic I wonder if they’ve deliberately withheld the “walk around” feature to push for VR sales. It seems like it would be quite simple to include the feature for non VR players - it would only serve to increase admiration for the level of detail in a more accessible way. Scapes and the paint shop preview are better than nothing, but it’s clearly not their main function.
Absolutely no way you can defend Forza at this point.
That BMW in Forza reminds me of Need for Speed Underground 1.
They really need to add a BMW M4 competition and the BMW M8
As soon as Polyphony puts the S7 Twin Turbo and C5 Z06 into GT7, would you do those two cars?
@@ticotaco4548 those would be great additions to gt7 for sure.
turn 10 is quite literally the embodiment of "putting lipstick on a pig." They recycle very old models over and over again so that they can boast about how big their car list is but they don't actually care about those older cars at all. They are just carelessly thrown in to serve as a marketing tool. Polyphony on the other hand actually respects classic cars and they go as far as to update their cars from game to game especially if they learn that a previous version of their car isn't entirely accurate. Its quality over quantity from GT vs quantity over quality from Forza
The FM M3 is a recycled model of other Forza's... That's what happens when you want to work just enough.
The strangest thing is that in Forza Horizon 5 the model of the same car looks better than in FM
Wtf does it care ? Forza is dead . After FM6 they went downhill with the speed of light . Now with crossplay ( pc Xbox ) they have LESS players than older Forza’s . And T10 just never listens . I play for 14 years + Forza and they never listened.
You mean since Forza Motorsport 4, that was the last great FM game
These "ground up" videos are getting old. Let people play what they want. Not everyone has time to stare and zoom in on car details before each race. Plus, that is not the Series X version you're displaying. Trying to make FM look bad.
Who is telling who what to play or not to play? Nobody. Like I said to someone else making this same silly comment.
And also like I told him, there are multiple comparison videos for all sorts of games. Comparison videos existed for a long time.
Even on Series X, FM still looks this way...on a calibrated, 4K HDR QLEad TV with the in-game brightness not jacked up. It still looks like a plastic toy car. Every FM since 2005, because I own them all, have given off a plastic look.
@@joescivic I was speaking to the author.
@@MultiSpokes And I'm telling you how it is. No one is telling anyone what to play.
On a Series X, on a nice display, it still looks this way. You don't have to try making it look any type of way to see this.
@@joescivic Well, these comparisons are getting dumber by the day. And as I said, the author is trying to make Forza look bad, which quite fortunately, it isn't. In other words, such videos are a senseless bias, and dumb, for lack of a better word.
@MultiSpokes The game itself does that. It is nowhere near the quality the developers said, and not worthy of being a new gen and PC only title. It still looks like a last gen game.
Why don't you go to the other hundreds of comparison channels and complain about comparisons then? Some people enjoy comparisons. I docit on my own when I play both games. I know others do too. It's like me complaining I don't like pineapple on my pizza when other people do. So then I go and tell people how senseless and dumb it is. Ridiculous
Imagine if gt7 makes their physics less watered down and they could dominate
Cars made on the American continent are the worst versions you can get of any car. Pick any brand that manufactures in the US or Mexico and compare it against the same brand made in Europe and China and it's shocking the difference in panel gaps, paint quality, reliability and so on. I'm talking VW, Mercedes, Tesla, BMW, Ford, etc. So maybe when commenters see horrible looking paint copy-pasted on every vehicle in Forza it's actually accurate to what cars are like in the US!
Every thing in the US is garbage, cheap, low quality, built from the stolen ground up.
@@xDriver69xFalse, but whatever
Imagine protecting an overhyped game
Wow! That was brutal honesty, I don’t think american car enthusiasts are ready for this. 😮
Actually nope. points for effort though. I've owned a Mexican Jetta and the body panels didn't look like Forza's BMW
How can I look inside a car like this in GT7?
VR mode 😃
Forza used many old models from FM2 and FM4...
Gran Turismo 7 has lapped appalling and shameful Forza a dozen times in a 7 lap race. It's infuriating.
Still, though both need unlimited automatic real time replay saving both locally and to online servers. It's basically 2025, anything less is inexcusable and unacceptable.
Funny how halfway through the video he starts becoming Malcolm Tucker
T10 was making a big deal about a new paint lighting engine. This looks straight out of the OG xbox.
gt7 lauch in pc please
As a Forza fanboy I have been thoroughly let down by them the past few installments. I wish they had real competition on PC and Xbox that would push them to do better. Horizon 2, Motorsport 6 and Horizon 3 was peak. That was about a decade ago.
If only Gran Turismo is available on PC, I would definitely choose that over Forza Motorsport. TBH Forza Horizons look better than current FM.
I bet Turn 10 really regrets saying that, we're still making fun of them for it.
This is about a car models, but Forza seems to have a better lighting, especially at 1:20, gran turismo looks absolutely terrible in this one.
Forza models are basically ported from early Forza games series.. by now they are showing their ages.
Mate, hats off to u, working on these vids with everything else life throws up taking up time. I recently bought FM on PC, gladly on a discount. I gotta say its disppointing. I repaired (repasted) my 11yrs old PS4 a few weeks ago and GT7 looks stunning. its a better game in everyway. Even down to the singleplayer with the GT cafe and GT world map, feels like less of a mindless grind compared with FM, it just make things more interesting for car enthusiasts. Polyphony atd is crazy good, even down to the exterior textured plastic trims for the doors. Suprising the PS4 is really punching above its weight with GT7. I Doubt FM is even optimised for a Series S.
The model used in Forza has been the same since Forza Motorsport 3 which released on the Xbox 360 in 2009, as someone who has owned multiple E36s in real life the Forza model has always bugged me...
I'm just waiting the new screenshots or video from Assetto Corsa Evo to see your comparison video 👍🏻 AC is my hope for PC gaming 😅
My one hope for my gaming PC is BeanNG ^^
Forza was always the Temu version. Driving Physics and now finally GT is serious about graphics. And they are killin it.
Yes. I had the X360 in that generation and Forza 3 felt like an FPS on wheels rather than a car game, completely devoid of any remotely realistic phisycs.
Its not that forza quality is bad, its that gran turismo is just soooo darn freaking great!
It will be an interesting to compare it with the base PS4 car models.
The Taillights are most distinctive.
I hope this can reach the devs
What is that place in the intro?
@@retro9627 scape movies on GT7
Forza models look like straight out of 2005...
Gran Tourismo is the only title which makes me want to buy PS5
Got decent PC and SeriesX - both gets played rarely.
319 days later and I still didn't purchase this game...
Same for me.