Great job Mr. Pete! When I was in high school back in the early 70s, I made one similar to this as a shop project in high school, and a vise similar to the one you had in your last project. These are great projects for learning to use a lathe and a milling machine. It allows you to gain knowledge, skill, and confidence. Best of all you have something useful when you finish. I thank my father and my shop teacher for the instruction and effort they invested in me when I was just a kid. Those of us who watch this channel owe a thanks to you as well for your efforts! Thanks again and keep up the great work!
Over time, I've actually come to really appreciate the times when you've changed your mind when you come back to work on a piece. It shows the process of your thinking ... "I was going to do this thing, but another thing is better." I do the same thing, I just don't make videos about it. But, the process you go through, is the important thing. It teaches us HOW to think.
Thank you mr.tubalcain you're typical reliable nice teacher to learn for and your explanations are very comprehensive and i agree with you about that?? Oh yes! Sharr!! if i correct? they should showing some support not to mention they have been asked too,even you have changed your mind nevertheless you still ended up putting on their brand,right?? i really hope some of their affiliates will notice on this comment as heartless business attitude doesn't survive for long...and i think those thumbs down are just peoples with a bad music taste..keep your good work. :-)
When you consider all of the oil smoke you have been exposed to over the years..what with foundry work, machine shop, and even working on engines...I think you are safe to continue doing as you always have. If we yield to all safety warnings we receive, we may as well remain in the armchair. :-)
Another great video. I find myself waiting for all the videos of a series to come out so I can binge watch them. I really enjoy these videos of making tools. I have made a lot of my own tools and they are my most prized possessions. A tool I made myself means far more to me than an expensive purchased tool. Either way, they're just "things".
Ding-a-ling-a-ling! Ringing in the New Year. My nephew is begging me to teach him to make something, I think this will be the perfect first project for him to layout, turn, grind and harden. Thank You Mr. Pete.
Thanks for the project videos. These video projects help me to properly gain the confidence and experience with basic steps while turning out a useful product. I just wish I could turn it in for a grade and your feedback. Thanks again. Much appreciated.
i worked in a automotive related shop for 32 years. lots of smoke from running engines when i would dump oil down the carbs to pickle them. I found out in 2014 that i have bladder cancer. They took the tumor out in 2014 and i have been getting BCG treatments since that time. The cancer has never came back. Thus is the second time i have beat cancer.. I have very good doctors and i am very lucky. Good health insurance from my wife's job helps also.
if you're worried about fumes go to you're local electronics hobby shop and get a fume extraction fan, they have active carbon filters which will help to clear away the funes
Thanks for another great video!! Curious, why do you say that you don't want chip discoloration? I'm pretty sure if you follow the manufactures recommended feeds and speeds for the carbide inserts you will end up with purple chips.
I must have 8 or 10 different sizes and types of "morphodite" calipers. (That's how they seem to pronounce hermaphrodite in a lot of midwestern shops.) I think they are about the most useful type of caliper. I don't know about the smoke from sulphurated cutting oil being so exceptionally dangerous. I know that at least a half-dozen males in my family spent many years in shops where you couldn't see the far end of the shop for all the oil smoke. Having made many visits to the shop with my grandfather back in the '40s and '50s, I have to say that the smell of the cutting oil smoke brings back some pretty powerful and pleasant memories. (Those shops have all "cleaned up their act" these days, of course!) I tend to use sulphurated cutting oil even when it might not be the best choice of cutting fluid. Most of my kin who spent all that time breathing the smoke have passed now, and only one was taken by cancer and it was lung cancer, probably from being a heavy smoker since he was about 15. A smoke extractor might not be a bad idea though.
Mr. Pete, many thanks for sharing and make sure to get a few 'low flyers', (Scottish slang for whiskeys) down your gizzard to celebrate the New Year. Kindest Regards. Joe.
Ledger Chamberlain once said just before the 4 th of July holiday to "Buy a fithe on the third for the fourth". You could take that advice for the First. Please don't drive though.
Just cirious. What is more accurate to licate center of round stock? The funnel tool that was shown or using a center finder? ( looks like a V with a rule in center ). Thanks for all the great vids.
As always, excellent! Many tidbits of useful info. Looks like Mr. Pete is taking about 30 thous per side per pass. I've seen vintage photos of lathes taking what looks like a 1/4 inch cut. How deep of a cut is possible on a machinka like that Clausing?
I bought a bell center punch at the Shipshewana In flea market. Very nice tool, I am glad to see you reproduce one. When were they last produced commercially?
Thank you for the great videos you put out sir. They are always very informative and useful. I have an old South Bend lathe with flat belt pulleys that would have run off steam when new. It was converted to electric power by my grandfather and has lots of tooling but the 3 jaw chuck is off center by a few thou' I am loathe to buy a new chuck if I can just fix this one. Anyway, it's the kind of thing you tackle ( fixing odd problems with dieing arts) so I watch your videos for new (to me) ideas and tips. I very much enjoy your knowledge and experience.
Adam Booth, Abom79, would disagree with you about yellow/blue chips. He has Heavy Cutting videos up the last two weeks. He frequently takes Very Heavy cuts on large shafts. The yellow/blue chips carry off the heat so that the job can be done more quickly; no need to wait for the shaft to cool before the final cut. He does not use dull tools!
I am thinking a small removable bullseye bubble level would be handy to get the center level. of course the part would need to be level as well for it to work. i also wonder if putting small 1/32 in steps on the inside would help. of course it would be more labor intensive and harder to make.
Karm Esnom I agree. It seems like you have to "eyeball" the tool on the end of the stock to see if it's straight. Doesn't seem to be too accurate or repeatable..
I have found that you don't have to keep the punch Square to the top as long as everything's touching. It can be tilted a little bit and it will still point to the center it's very versatile that way obviously the square the better but it's not crucial. I use this to get a jump on for centering a 4 jaw chuck using the tailstock
please guys I am a beginner. does it mean when facing, the tool must be positioned parallel to the axis of the spindle but when it moves to face the work it will be be at right angle to the axis of rotation??? and for turning this will be reversed ????
Can somebody explain the difference between SIROLA and ALORIS? As I understand it ALORIS is a maker of high quality quick change tool holders, now how does SIROLA come into this? (I realize it's ALORIS backwards)
Hmm, a bit surprised you're working the outside small end first. I was expecting that you'd make the inner taper and bore first without removing the work from the chuck. Now I'm really curious about how you'll proceed. Eagerly awaiting the next installment!
So, Thank you for many very interesting videos on tools and machining and so forth. Thank you also to those that comment, as I learn a lot from you also! However, help me out here, why don’t you and others power feed away from the chuck? It seems that it would be so much simpler to feed to the right when sizing a diameter. You would not have to worry about crashing, No?
You always do nice work, but I believe this tool is only going to be as accurate as your ability to hold it straight in line with the piece you're going to turn.
Great tutorial! Thank you. Could you please give the part number for the Shars double-ended turning toolholder with neutral positioned triangular carbide insert...
Shars and "sirolA" should both give you some consideration for what you do - I am sure you've helped sell more than a few of their products over the years. Personally I have moved to the cheap Chinese copies of everything as I find that they are more responsive than branded products, as well as much better priced.
Mr. Pete, I would imagine that the warning for the smoke from the cutting oil came from someone that is an ecology nazi from California. At our age, for sure, there is little worry that "second hand cutting oil smoke" is going to harm us. I hope you had a great Christmas, and I wish you the very best in New Years. Gary 73-Year-Old Home Shop Machinist.
In one of your previous videos, you said you wish you knew how to do timelapse. I saw that you use Cyberlink power director as your video editing software (when you showed us the metal websites). It is very easy to do. You simply click on the clip in the timeline and then click "power tools" and then check the box that says "video speed" (or something along those lines). There is then a slider that lets you pick how fast you want the video to play. It would remove the slow tedious turning scenes.
If you look at this diagram you'll see that the punch has to be way out of alignment before the point is very far off center: nort_comm.tripod.com/machines/bell-punch-alignment.png Other methods are no more accurate and are more time consuming. You should be checking the work with a dial indicator after it's in the machine anyway. BTW, Keith Rucker did a video where set the work up with a punch, then started a hole with a center drill. He then marked the high spot, took it out of the machine and used the center drill bit to hand scrape the inside of the hole. I think he said he got it to within 1/2 a thou. Cool.
Sorry Pete, your order guaranteed the students projects turned out poorly. The hole, should only have been drilled last, while chucked to turn the inner taper.
There are proper machinists who intimate that you are getting it right when the chips are golden, turning blue in the pile. and I tend to believe them.
I was surprised when he said that about chip color. My Father was a tool maker and machinist, ran a jig bore at Hamilton Standard all through the space program in the '60. I worked with him after he retired doing subtier aircraft work for nearly 20 years. He never made a big deal about chip color except to say it would vary depending on the material your working with. I think Mr. Pete would say the same if we talked to him about it. The key word was "never". Always leave your self an out! ha ha ha
sir i enjoy your videos n i will definitely make one of these. shars can be a good brand but their customer service is horrible. to the point that i look else if i can.but i wanted to take the time to say thank you for your time in making these videos!
Great job Mr. Pete! When I was in high school back in the early 70s, I made one similar to this as a shop project in high school, and a vise similar to the one you had in your last project.
These are great projects for learning to use a lathe and a milling machine. It allows you to gain knowledge, skill, and confidence. Best of all you have something useful when you finish. I thank my father and my shop teacher for the instruction and effort they invested in me when I was just a kid. Those of us who watch this channel owe a thanks to you as well for your efforts! Thanks again and keep up the great work!
Over time, I've actually come to really appreciate the times when you've changed your mind when you come back to work on a piece. It shows the process of your thinking ... "I was going to do this thing, but another thing is better." I do the same thing, I just don't make videos about it. But, the process you go through, is the important thing. It teaches us HOW to think.
You are so right
Thank you mr.tubalcain you're typical reliable nice teacher to learn for and your explanations are very comprehensive and i agree with you about that?? Oh yes! Sharr!! if i correct? they should showing some support not to mention they have been asked too,even you have changed your mind nevertheless you still ended up putting on their brand,right?? i really hope some of their affiliates will notice on this comment as heartless business attitude doesn't survive for long...and i think those thumbs down are just peoples with a bad music taste..keep your good work. :-)
When you consider all of the oil smoke you have been exposed to over the years..what with foundry work, machine shop, and even working on engines...I think you are safe to continue doing as you always have. If we yield to all safety warnings we receive, we may as well remain in the armchair. :-)
And THAT is a cause of obesity according to the jerks.
I tend to think moderation is more the name of the game.
Oil smoke is the secret to Eternal Life. lol
Another great video. I find myself waiting for all the videos of a series to come out so I can binge watch them. I really enjoy these videos of making tools. I have made a lot of my own tools and they are my most prized possessions. A tool I made myself means far more to me than an expensive purchased tool. Either way, they're just "things".
YOU Have to know that you are a trip...Which is a good thing. YOU ARE A SHOP TEACHER TO THE BONE... God love You Keep it up.
That is a WODERFUL complement!! thanks
Ding-a-ling-a-ling! Ringing in the New Year. My nephew is begging me to teach him to make something, I think this will be the perfect first project for him to layout, turn, grind and harden. Thank You Mr. Pete.
Thanks for the project videos. These video projects help me to properly gain the confidence and experience with basic steps while turning out a useful product. I just wish I could turn it in for a grade and your feedback. Thanks again. Much appreciated.
I am new to your RUclips videos, and have just made my first Bell Center Punch (project). Thanks for your directions. Dave in SATx
i worked in a automotive related shop for 32 years. lots of smoke from running engines when i would dump oil down the carbs to pickle them. I found out in 2014 that i have bladder cancer. They took the tumor out in 2014 and i have been getting BCG treatments since that time. The cancer has never came back. Thus is the second time i have beat cancer.. I have very good doctors and i am very lucky. Good health insurance from my wife's job helps also.
Thanks Mr. Pete , I just finished mine , great tool and project😎
Hated, for you, to see the bird's nest of chips, but glad to know I'm not the only one it happens to. Anticipating another great video series.
Me to :-)
Thanks for watching
if you're worried about fumes go to you're local electronics hobby shop and get a fume extraction fan, they have active carbon filters which will help to clear away the funes
Thanks for another great video!! Curious, why do you say that you don't want chip discoloration? I'm pretty sure if you follow the manufactures recommended feeds and speeds for the carbide inserts you will end up with purple chips.
I must have 8 or 10 different sizes and types of "morphodite" calipers. (That's how they seem to pronounce hermaphrodite in a lot of midwestern shops.) I think they are about the most useful type of caliper.
I don't know about the smoke from sulphurated cutting oil being so exceptionally dangerous. I know that at least a half-dozen males in my family spent many years in shops where you couldn't see the far end of the shop for all the oil smoke. Having made many visits to the shop with my grandfather back in the '40s and '50s, I have to say that the smell of the cutting oil smoke brings back some pretty powerful and pleasant memories. (Those shops have all "cleaned up their act" these days, of course!) I tend to use sulphurated cutting oil even when it might not be the best choice of cutting fluid. Most of my kin who spent all that time breathing the smoke have passed now, and only one was taken by cancer and it was lung cancer, probably from being a heavy smoker since he was about 15. A smoke extractor might not be a bad idea though.
Loved your videos on your bell center punch. And the other machinist videos that you have produced. Would love to have been your understudy.
When you changed your mind on the tooling and had the brand name blacked out with electrical tape... that made me laugh out loud!
lol
You're not alone in preferring the outside micrometer. I know an engine builder who refers to vernier calipers as "guessing sticks".
Why did I wait till 50 years old to get interested in this? Enjoy your videos.
Thanks for watching-better late than never
You Tube knows I love watching a project so this one came up tonight So not a real old one but old enough.... Headed for part 2 for some real action!
😀
That ad I watched in deference to your request was terrible. Your video is great, as usual.
Mr. Pete, many thanks for sharing and make sure to get a few 'low flyers', (Scottish slang for whiskeys) down your gizzard to celebrate the New Year. Kindest Regards. Joe.
Ledger Chamberlain once said just before the 4 th of July holiday to "Buy a fithe on the third for the fourth". You could take that advice for the First. Please don't drive though.
Keep 'em coming...Thank you Lyle...Jeff
Just cirious. What is more accurate to licate center of round stock? The funnel tool that was shown or using a center finder? ( looks like a V with a rule in center ). Thanks for all the great vids.
Happy New Year to you Sir, its a pleasure watching your videos. Thanks a lot. My Best wishes for your future projects.
As always, excellent! Many tidbits of useful info. Looks like Mr. Pete is taking about 30 thous per side per pass. I've seen vintage photos of lathes taking what looks like a 1/4 inch cut. How deep of a cut is possible on a machinka like that Clausing?
I bought a bell center punch at the Shipshewana In flea market. Very nice tool, I am glad to see you reproduce one. When were they last produced commercially?
Thank you for the great videos you put out sir. They are always very informative and useful. I have an old South Bend lathe with flat belt pulleys that would have run off steam when new. It was converted to electric power by my grandfather and has lots of tooling but the 3 jaw chuck is off center by a few thou' I am loathe to buy a new chuck if I can just fix this one. Anyway, it's the kind of thing you tackle ( fixing odd problems with dieing arts) so I watch your videos for new (to me) ideas and tips. I very much enjoy your knowledge and experience.
tsstn what year is your South Bend? I have a 1928 9" junior that was electric from the factory.
71nortcomm 71nort Dad thinks its 1906 but I haven't looked lately. I can find out for sure when I get home.
From what I understand SB did not use serial numbers until 1910. 1906 was the first year for SB.
Adam Booth, Abom79, would disagree with you about yellow/blue chips. He has Heavy Cutting videos up the last two weeks. He frequently takes Very Heavy cuts on large shafts. The yellow/blue chips carry off the heat so that the job can be done more quickly; no need to wait for the shaft to cool before the final cut. He does not use dull tools!
Great video Pete
Sorry but I was taught that with carbide tooling you want blue chips
Just ask Abom how much longer he would be turning if he had to keep his chips white.
I am thinking a small removable bullseye bubble level would be handy to get the center level. of course the part would need to be level as well for it to work. i also wonder if putting small 1/32 in steps on the inside would help. of course it would be more labor intensive and harder to make.
Karm Esnom I agree. It seems like you have to "eyeball" the tool on the end of the stock to see if it's straight. Doesn't seem to be too accurate or repeatable..
I have found that you don't have to keep the punch Square to the top as long as everything's touching. It can be tilted a little bit and it will still point to the center it's very versatile that way obviously the square the better but it's not crucial. I use this to get a jump on for centering a 4 jaw chuck using the tailstock
Yes, they are forgiving
Interesting video. Thanks.
please guys I am a beginner. does it mean when facing, the tool must be positioned parallel to the axis of the spindle but when it moves to face the work it will be be at right angle to the axis of rotation??? and for turning this will be reversed ????
Good job. Easy and useful...
Hi from Spain!
Recently I have discovered your channel, that is very interesting.
Could I know how is that book named?
Thank you.
got that exact book from a charity shop for next to nothing ! Would love a southbend lathe , the book really has sold them to me
May I known how it is named?
Thanks.
Mr. P, Thanks for saying RPM instead of RPM'S
RPM is indeed already plural, wish more people realised that fact.
What's the point of a bell style vs just the rod?
Can somebody explain the difference between SIROLA and ALORIS? As I understand it ALORIS is a maker of high quality quick change tool holders, now how does SIROLA come into this? (I realize it's ALORIS backwards)
Hmm, a bit surprised you're working the outside small end first. I was expecting that you'd make the inner taper and bore first without removing the work from the chuck.
Now I'm really curious about how you'll proceed. Eagerly awaiting the next installment!
I suppose it could be done either way
So, Thank you for many very interesting videos on tools and machining and so forth. Thank you also to those that comment, as I learn a lot from you also! However, help me out here, why don’t you and others power feed away from the chuck? It seems that it would be so much simpler to feed to the right when sizing a diameter. You would not have to worry about crashing, No?
Thanks--then how will you work the shoulders?
As always top on the line work.
Have a happy new year, Mr. Pete.
I have an old 8 inch Cushman Chuck! The scrolls are wore out so there's nothing I can really do with it it's a paperweight at this point
This should be an awesome little series
You always do nice work, but I believe this tool is only going to be as accurate as your ability to hold it straight in line with the piece you're going to turn.
MOMS We made one of this in my high school machining class and I thought the same thing about the punches. How are you supposed to line it up?
Thank you very much
great! i didn't know that there exist so many interesting tools, workink with metal.
Great tutorial! Thank you. Could you please give the part number for the Shars double-ended turning toolholder with neutral positioned triangular carbide insert...
Shars and "sirolA" should both give you some consideration for what you do - I am sure you've helped sell more than a few of their products over the years. Personally I have moved to the cheap Chinese copies of everything as I find that they are more responsive than branded products, as well as much better priced.
Mr. Pete, I would imagine that the warning for the smoke from the cutting oil came from someone that is an ecology nazi from California. At our age, for sure, there is little worry that "second hand cutting oil smoke" is going to harm us. I hope you had a great Christmas, and I wish you the very best in New Years.
Gary 73-Year-Old Home Shop Machinist.
Hi Mr Pete you would have made a fine and patient shop teacher. I fear the boys may have used these cones for other things.
In one of your previous videos, you said you wish you knew how to do timelapse. I saw that you use Cyberlink power director as your video editing software (when you showed us the metal websites). It is very easy to do. You simply click on the clip in the timeline and then click "power tools" and then check the box that says "video speed" (or something along those lines). There is then a slider that lets you pick how fast you want the video to play. It would remove the slow tedious turning scenes.
Thanks-thats the way I've been doing it for last month-finally figured it out. I like your name--thats what I call my foundry
Ha thanks! Check out my videos if you get a chance. Building a cast iron steam engine from scratch. :)
Looks like your chip breaker needs work. What model Clausing lathe do you have?
Very nice.
I was always taught to NEVER leave the chuck key in the chuck unless you have your hand on it. Safety First!
That will be a useful tool indeed. Have a great 2017
Nice project.
THANK YOU...for sharing.
The South Bend project book does indeed have plans for the bell center punch.
You can buy these new in the UK on Ebay, a firm is making them.
I may not have hermaphrodite pliers...but my wife most certainly is!
Jenny Leg Calipers in England, no idea where that name came from.
Jenny leg was a hermaphrodite..probably..
What is the website address of your plans site?
Sincerely,
David
1:50 - Yes I do... I have two sizes! (hermaphrodite caliper)
Thanks for sharing sir...
When using this punch, how does one keep the tool aligned with the work piece? Is that usually done by eye?
If you look at this diagram you'll see that the punch has to be way out of alignment before the point is very far off center:
nort_comm.tripod.com/machines/bell-punch-alignment.png
Other methods are no more accurate and are more time consuming. You should be checking the work with a dial indicator after it's in the machine anyway. BTW, Keith Rucker did a video where set the work up with a punch, then started a hole with a center drill. He then marked the high spot, took it out of the machine and used the center drill bit to hand scrape the inside of the hole. I think he said he got it to within 1/2 a thou. Cool.
Thanks!
Please don't let the safety Nazi's get to you. The EPA and OSHA folks are here to save us from ourselves.
Sorry Pete, your order guaranteed the students projects turned out poorly. The hole, should only have been drilled last, while chucked to turn the inner taper.
nice viedeo
What did he say about the blue or yellow chips?
Reading the auto caption on my phone is like reading those Auto correct fails.
There are proper machinists who intimate that you are getting it right when the chips are golden, turning blue in the pile. and I tend to believe them.
I was surprised when he said that about chip color. My Father was a tool maker and machinist, ran a jig bore at Hamilton Standard all through the space program in the '60. I worked with him after he retired doing subtier aircraft work for nearly 20 years. He never made a big deal about chip color except to say it would vary depending on the material your working with. I think Mr. Pete would say the same if we talked to him about it. The key word was "never". Always leave your self an out! ha ha ha
To be fair I think he was thinking back to his youth, when all you had were carbon steel tools,
ty from shareing
You can buy these from RDG tools UK Ref. 2249 £10.40 or $13.
Joss Fitzsimons Where's the fun in that?
just for comments sake... im sure you dont care what i think
If you want the SB Projects book circa 1928 you can find it here:
www.wewilliams.net/docs/1928%20-%20South%20Bend%20Machine%20Shop%20.pdf
Thanks--that one does not have the working drawings--there is a nother nwer one with blueprints
mrpete222 then you are looking for this one:
vintagemachinery.org/pubs/1617/15195.pdf
Thank you very much--that is the one I wanted
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though I generaly have lot of respect for the older generation of machinists. man does seeing this man work make me cringe.
sir i enjoy your videos n i will definitely make one of these. shars can be a good brand but their customer service is horrible. to the point that i look else if i can.but i wanted to take the time to say thank you for your time in making these videos!
Thanks for watching