Where Did All The Ammo and Primers Go?!
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- Welcome to Ron Spomer Outdoors! In this episode, I sit down with Aaron Oelger from Hodgdon Powder to get an industry insider's take on where all the ammo and primers have gone.
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They’re currently sitting at sportsman warehouse shelves because they’ve been marked up a criminal amount
Your right I just bought a bunch of them to give as gifts to my friends who haven’t been able to reload from not having any primers!
@@edwardabrams4972 Hey Ed old Friend I haven't seen you in A coons age!
Did you get my Christmas card and Gift?
Sportsman's Warehouse has a 200-primer limit and their prices haven't gone to rapist level. It costs me more in fuel (at $5/gallon in the despicable soviet of washington) to drive a two-hour round-trip to my nearest Sportsman's Warehouse than the primers cost.
What is the deal with sportsman's? The guns aren't too badly priced but the ammo hooboy, I only ever buy ammo from there if I need it now and can't wait a week to get it from PSA.
@@1810jeff PSA drops amazing deals online about once a week. Bought 1000 rounds of 9mm for .23 a round. Brass case too. 💪🏽
I've been a reloader for 50 years. These prices are insane. 5 times the price it should be.
I agree that components are very expensive and that there is some price gouging going on. Seriously though... given the fact that EVERYTHING has gone up a lot in the last 2.5 years, are components REALLY 5X the price they should be? Surely you jest!
100% i have some 1lb H4350 i was using today with a 35$ sticker on it.. went to get some more today 89$ !!
@@phasechange5053Sportsmans Warehouse shows H4350 at $54.99. Same price it was last October.
And now you understand why inflation is a joke. Actual inflation, like the value of our money is under 3%. Corporate profits though are at an all-time high and they have been year after year after year after year since I think 2019. It's not anything to do with inflation, it is corporate price gouging. And even though corporations are making record profits damned if they've raised a wage in the last 30 years.
@michaelfrench3396 I've been telling that to people but you're labeled as anti capitalist if you dare say anything bad about corporate America. These businesses used the pandemic as an excuse to con people, then abused PPP and blamed people doing online shopping as why we had inflation...
Do a search on ammo supply chain shortages. We get one of these videos from some player in chain every year or so giving excuses. The fact is that components are at all-time highs, and there simply is no incentive for these companies to provide more supply as that would drive prices down.
I believe the industry has made somewhere between 12 and 13 primers in the past 5 years. And one of those primers can be yours for only $500 each.
Its nearly impossible to find any reloading supplies you need right now in Canada. Its very frustrating especially for the beginner trying to break into the craft.
and our ADI pistol powder has evaporated in Australia because its also used in military stuff I think.@@FranzAntonMesmer
I am surprised you guys in Canada have anything to reload.
Man I feel really bad for people just beginning. I started back up a few years before the pandemic so I got lucky and got a small supply put back. I'm so sorry for people who cant
I feel your pain! Primers here in Canada are non existent still, private sellers are getting disgusting prices and people are paying it! I’ve seen a brick of 1000 large rifle go for $600.00! Just insane! Its cheaper to buy loaded ammo!
Hahaha not much point getting into reloading in Canada your about 10 years to late , I have friends in Alberta getting into hunting and it’s impossible to find ammo anywhere even last time I seen a box of 410 ammo for grouse hunting was 4 years ago !
Thank you Ron for addressing this issue. Its absolutely absurd that other countries are making our gun powder. The hodgdon powder I primarily use is still no where to be seen in four years. I still don't feel this guy is being completely transparent. But, I'm searching for answers that we as a public will never receive. Like the truth about secret government contracts.
your last statement ... VERY on point.
I don’t know about secrete government contracts, however Ukraine is eating up powders & primers! Add to that, US government departments like USDA hiring large amounts of new employees which are being armed to the teeth, plus 87000 new IRS employees also being armed heavily, plus practice ammo for all these people and other government agencies doing the same under the Biden Pedocrate regime and that’s a lot of government contracts to fulfill! Hope that helps!
Yep Hodgdon uses a lot of powder from Australia's ADI . ADI by law had to close an old powder plant it was built for WWII. They built a new one but it was designed to produce 1 part pistol powders and the old plant produced 2 part powders for pistols. We have been without pistol powders for around 4 years now as they still can't produce anything for sale from the new plant. Rifle powders were delayed due to lockdowns , then we had 3 years of La Nina meaning Australia was wetter and colder than normal over summer . So ADI had humidity issues with powders absorbing too much moisture. It's so bad one importer just managed to snag a big batch of pistol powders , it was bought Australian Defence Force as they have no powder for training.
I agree @JonRangel87. Right before 2020 I was able to buy 1000 primers for 50 bucks and now I can’t find any boxes of 1000 for less than $100. Criminal. There is no reason for that much of a price increase except greed. Sorry for my rant. I’m just losing the drive to reload because it used to save me money but now it’s becoming less and less of a savings.
If you aren't shooting a common caliber today, reloading is the only choice; that or not shooting. Strange times.
"If we can't take the guns, take the ammo" - anti 2A legislators
@@brushymountain1is not legislation its economics. The big manufacturers are making what gets them the biggest profits. The loyal customer's hobby doesn't enter the equation.
Reloading still saves money when you consider that factory ammo has gone up proportionately too, if you can find the components you need.
It’s cheaper right now to buy factory 9mm than to reload. One of the few calibers that is worthwhile to buy.
With the push for renewables, you are going to see an exponential increase in the demand for copper. And it is difficult to increase supply without opening new mines, which takes years to do. Copper is already costly (bought any romex at Home Depot lately?). The bottom line for shooters and reloaders, expect the cost of your freedom seeds to increase substantially over time.
So he says it's not a supply problem, but rather it's a demand problem. Well, if demand is high and you can't keep up, regardless if it was your record year for sales, it is, in fact, a supply problem.
Thanks Ron for having this interview but I call BS!
Since the Russia Ukraine conflict… powder, primer and brass has been unreachable. I’ve hand loaded for years and this is something I’ve never seen before and I think the manufacturers are just giving lip service!
Powder has been limited as far as availability in the last couple of years but brass and especially primers have been non existent!
Agreed. They did the same thing with lumber.
Small hats have small brains, but make up for it with GREED.
Europeans don’t use boxer primers.
@@albundy7459They do if they're using the weapons we gave them.
@@albundy7459🤣
@@albundy7459why did I just receive 1000 srPrimers from Ukraine boxer primers.
Are scalpers still buying up all the supply from Walmart and other places so they can resell it on gunbroker?
Powder has more than doubled in price. The average is 52.00 a lb... It's no longer cheaper to reload and this is by design. I get it he is a salesman, but reloading is crazy expensive even through factory ammo has gone up.
Saying this I have been reloading over 30 years.
I'm in Australia. Rifle powder is becoming more available as the months go on but pistol powder is still like rocking horse shit. There is no pistol powder available in stores. On the secondary market, people are selling pistol powder for $160USD a lb and upwards. Primers are also difficult to find and stores that do carry them are charging $110-$140USD per 1000
*I'm converting AUD to USD, for the ease of comparison, at 0.64
@@James_Sovereign Thank you. Those prices are insane. Yet I think it will only get worse.
For me it has been. 7.65X53. Some finally came in after two years of nothing. Could only afford 4 boxes though.
Thanks for your time.
Crank up production.
They did.
The price of Blackhorn 209 is highway robbery compared to 5 years ago. They also reduced the amount in the containers.
I bought one 3 months ago 80 bucks seen one in runnings for 65
The west is hiding a supply chain collapse, where I am certain goods are way less stocked like rice and bread. There's tons of wonder bread and cheapo rice but the higher quality stuff is in short supply. Ammo and primers are likely being messed with by the west sending tons of ammo to Ukraine so I'm guessing the US is buying a lot of the supply to make up for the difference which hurts us. You're gonna see it get worse since it benefits them in the way that we'll be a lot less stocked than we should be if a collapse happens.
@@1810jeff I agree… and from a macro perspective, we are realizing real inflation while simultaneously experiencing deflationary pressures in other sectors.
The economy, as we all know it, is in its end phase. We could witness some outrages economic markets.
Beware of the everything bubble. Cash will king, one last time…. For this fire sale that is coming.
@@HarrisonCountyStudio Here's one big thing that the media paid no attention to and downplayed, JP Morgan claimed to have a little over a million dollars worth of nickel but when the time came to prove it, they were just rocks. They claim they bought it from some no name warehouse here's the suspicious part, without inspecting it. I heavily suspect that a lot of the economy right now is smoke and mirrors like the banking system, they only have a fraction of what they claim to have and sell to people on paper. You can't fool economics for long and at this scale it's gonna be worse than anything the US or the west has seen.
The cost of Blackhorn 209 is insane! $79.95 for 8 oz here in Minnesota. Congratulations, Western has priced, and eliminated, most of it's customers out of it's product. As for me, I'm going back to White Hots this year and probably forever.
We all know that those components are going to Ukraine in other countries. He just didn't have the guts to say it on camera. Saying that there was just a supply and demand for it. But that's a pretty vague answer to that. I know there wasn't all these hand reloaders that showed up overnight because of COVID come on.
100 percent brother
Reloading post 2019 its cheaper just to buy ammo. 10 cents a primer or 26 cents a round for 9mm factory loads.
Oh shut up
A lot of the ones buying primers were not reloaders or even gun owners! People looking to exploit the shortage for price gouging !
Washington State outlawed .338 Lapua rifles and now Nossler refuses to make .338 Accubond Long range claiming "they don't see the demand forit but every gun store I know of has it on order and has had for a year or more.
I think we should Bud Light/Disney them.
Primers are not just demand. Several shops can't get them, that I know of.
This is what I am being told every time I visit a shop and ask.
How about prices dropping? The pre-covid price was 50% to 100% lower than now. That's on what you can find available. Primer prices are still 3 to 4 times the pre-covid price. Large rifle primers are still extremely rare to find. When I found out that Hodgdon acquired Western/ Accurate powders. It didn't give me the warm fuzzies. There are too many powder lines under one company ownership. That always leads to less competition and higher prices for the consumer.
You are right about that. Too many brands under one roof is not a good thing. Look what happened to Remington, Marlin, Bushmaster, DPMS... Red flags went up for me when the Cerberus (sp?) Group started buying up so many companies. At least Hodgden is a good 2A company.
They don't own them Do own the Distribution Of... I to dont like it an ????? It at time n still do.
Thanks.
Still no where near normal or before this crazy started.
Some what better in my area though.
@michaelwilson9986 Don't own? Hodgdon acquired Ramshot, Accurate, and Blackhorn 209 effective October 1st, 2020. I haven't seen any definition of acquired meaning a distribution agreement. Unless you can provide that info.
The same "supply chain issues "claimed for gouging on everything else.
Primers in our area are still on an allocated basis. You can buy 200 Large Rifle primers today and if you go to the store tomorrow you can buy 200 more. When they're off the shelf there won't be any until tomorrow. Kind of like decent bourbon.
Pretty thick near me. I’ve been reloading for 2 years and this is the first time I haven’t had to buy online. It’s nice saving that extra $40.
I can find most of my reloading supplies, but the magnum primers. They are out there. You just have to stay on top of the websites when they come in and only takes matter of minutes for them to sell out and I’m not giving up my source…
What if you give it just to me!
They are at alamo ammo for 125. CCI magnum large rifle.
@@thelittledetailscr7231 plus $23 for shipping, plus whatever their hazmat fee is. So, probably close to $170 on your doorstep when all is said and done 🙄
@@thelittledetailscr7231 I saw that, but it’s a little pricey.
midsouth ss
While I have definitely found components to be more available online, the hazardous shipping fee makes it ridiculously expensive unless you're already spending hundreds and buying in bulk
Those hazmat fees are important. They finally eliminated the constant explosions among delivery vehicles that were clogging our roadways and overtaxing our first responders. Grifters
I'm curious: how long does it take for a batch to go from raw materials at the warehouse to the shelf at Bass Pro?
Approx. 10 years.
@@marklemist6928 LOL. I know it feels that long. It'd be interesting to see how long/complex/flexible those supply chains are.
I beleive (pre-covid) Ford would make a new F-150 every 58 seconds, ,but it obviously takes at least 1 minute to make a truck. What was the 'chip-shortage' in the ammo industry? Or was it the spikes in demand causing the shortages, we are a group of bulk/panic buyers after all.
@@archertwin22 it's all bullshit. Nobody wants to invest in more manufacturing capacity because of the current political climate.
Thanks, Ron.
Palmetto State store near me has pallets of ammo in their stores of the most common calibers and at fairly reasonable prices (cheaper than both Bass Pro and Academy across the street). Their reloading supplies are smaller quantities though.
Yes, they’re on the shelf’s currently.
However my local gun shops are charging 100 per thousand pistol 150 for L/S rifle and 200 for match
(per 1000)
Those numbers are insane.
I personally am fine have have about 8 k S/L rifle primers but I won’t replenish anytime soon.
Were $99.99/lb of popular Hodgdon powders right now in Canada, absolutely criminal. Dont complain about 50.00 powder down there in the states, we havent seen that for years up here!
Fiocchi should have a new primer plant in Arkansas spooling up in 2025
I think there is another one in the works in Ft. Worth, Tx but I've been hearing that for years.
@@osulxa they were trying to open it, but it officially died a few weeks ago
No large or large magnum rifle rimmers in Australia, it's very frustrating! No issue with Australian Defence Industry (ADI) powder in Aus. I believe Hodgdon buys from ADI.
But according to ADI they don't export to the US - no, I don't believe a word of it either.
None here in the states either.
In the ocean they dumped a bunch
I remember when I was a kid in the 1970's, a box of 50 .22 long rifle cartridges cost about $1.25. Then in the 1990's I noticed you could get 500 or 550 for $8 or $9. Prices were around there for several years, and adjusting for inflation I recognized that it was a great deal and bought quite a bit of it.
Then after 9/11 ammo prices went crazy; even the basic availability went crazy, and has never recovered yet. I was hearing the wars were a priority, but found it hard to believe that we were expending THAT much small arms ammo in active ground combat, when so much of the wars were fought with cruise missiles and drones. This whole situation has been just inexplicable to me.
For one thing, I think the gun and ammo companies are shooting themselves in the foot in terms of developing future customers, by having .22 rimfire so expensive for so long. Assuming they do have any control of the situation, that is.
Just recently I was looking for Woodleigh bullets, and at the availability of .358 rifle bullets in general, and it is crazy how limited the selection is. I was also looking at brass offerings from Starline; they don't seem to have anything interesting in stock or currently being manufactured. I could understand they might operate on a rotating batch system, but almost nothing seems to be in current production. Oddball brass from other companies also seems to be virtually non-existent.
I bought them in the 70s for fifty cents a box, penny a shot, never forget it
Just went to "look" at ammo yesterday. The cheapest deer rifle type cartridge was 30-30 at 28 dollars a box. Hunting ammo in 7.62x39mm is non-extistent. You can buy fmj but rarely see a box of hunting rounds for it. .308, 30-06 was $35 and up.
Bass Pro/ex-Cabela's in KC had a good stack of .303 British in Herter's brand the other day. 150gr SP, good enough hunting rounds, and only $27. First time I've seen that much .303 ammo, about 20 boxes, in one location since 2019, although admittedly I don't live close to any of the big outdoor stores and can't check often. Two calibers they had none of were .444 Marlin and 8mm Mauser. They also had plenty of small rifle primers, but no large rifle primers.
Who hunts with an AK anyway? 😂😂
@@stevedevice1866soft lead sks ,I do.
@@stevedevice1866 Meeeee... actually had an SKS and a CZ bolt action. Killed several deer and coyote with them. Great round for kids to hunt deer with. Very low recoil and better ballistics than round nose 30-30.
@@stevedevice1866 My uncle had a scoped SKS that he loved for hunting deer in Upper Michigan. I'm not much of a hunter but I'd sure love to get some sort of mini-Mauser or mini Howa actioned rifle for 7.62x39. It isn't just for AK's!
There is no reason for the nutty prices they want for powder and primers, just a lot of greed!
There absolutely is. Most the raw materials come from abroad, where they were shut down longer. That means the supply already on the market dried up. Then there is a shooting war in Ukraine, which means they are also soaking up the market. China is staging for a war over Taiwan, which means they too are buying up the raw components. NATO and the U.S. are arming up for possible war, which is drying up supplies. More people are reloading now by a massive margin, which also drives up price. Inflation has driven the price of the dollar into the toilet, which also raises prices. There are a lot of reasons besides greed. Think of someone besides yourself. Things don't happen because the world is mean to you, in the big picture you and I aren't worth noticing. Unless you don't think there is any Inflation, if you think the war in Ukraine is fake news, if you believe China is completely peaceful, if you don't think anyone else is reloading and don't believe there were Covid lockdowns that statement is completely wrong even by your own thoughts.
When he says it's not a conspiracy, is my red flags go up!
We are happy we reload for hunting season. Right now it's fishing, gardening and canning season.
@RonSpomer0utdoors SCAMMERS 🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻🤡🤡
Heck, you can buy anything you want and as much as you want....if you can afford these prices. People need to buy food/gas so individuals are selling everything they got. Just give it till Xmas and it'll really get crazy
I haven't fired a shot in years! Prices aren't anywhere close what I am willing to pay. Lot of dust on my new reloading equipment. Pray things get better.
They have been missing for years. It isnt like this is anything new. Cci and others have said the product coming and i have yet to see any improvement. As far as primers, i havent seen mag rifle in a long time
Things went bad in 2001, and have NEVER recovered to anywhere near normal. Ukraine may be having considerable effect now, but things were nearly as bad 2 years ago, 5 years ago, 10 years ago, etc. etc.
I remember buying boxes of 500 .22 LR cartridges as cheap as $7 back in the 1990's, and they were routinely $9 or less (even for boxes of 550) for several years. Current prices or 2018 prices are WAY beyond inflation!
@Fuzzybeanerizer yes, but even with the cost increases, the ammo was still available. Now, much of the ammo i use is just not available. Many of the reloading supplies i use are not available either. I can routinely find small rifle, pistol, and sometimes large rifle primers (although 100ct now cost almost what i was paying for 1000) but i have not seen magnum primers at all in a very long time (all my rifles reguire magnum primers)
This keeps talking about 2202 but said it was just put out 10 days ago....did I miss something?
As an extra drawback, try to get reloading supplies for a round that is considered outdated, like .303 British.
I saw a bag of .311 150gr. bullets at a gun show a few months ago. I should have bought them, I load for .303 also.
Or .22 Hornet unprimed brass for reloading - good luck with that. My order for Winchester .22 Hornet unprimed brass has been on backorder through Optics Planet for almost 2 years now.
It all cost to much. Everything does the Goverment just keeps printing money the more money in the systum the less it is all worth. Ammo companies are taking in big profits as well. Thoes are the two big issues.
This is what a mate of mine wrote several minutes ago after going to the largest gun-store in Queensland Australia: "they told me cci primers delayed till 2026"
Gone from hunting Deer to hunting for reloading component.
I’ve given up on CCI, all dealers in Australia just laugh when you ask for them! They all say the same thing 2-3 year wait. There are some Remington rifle primers available around the place at the moment if you can afford them (AUD$200 / 1000)
Buy smart, but when you see/find it, BUY IT! Thats the way I have always been, whether loaded ammo, reloading supplies, guns, antiques.... Remember, there are always multiple sources for items such as this.... I find a lot at yard sales, auctions, gun shows, word-of-mouth conversations with folks that have had someone pass away and their loved one was a reloader, etc..... Be diligent, buy smart, and most times you will always have what you need.
Like the HS - 6 for my .44 mag.
Here in SW Oregon (especially at Bi-Mart) the shelves are fully stocked with ammo, but the price keeps much of it on the shelf. I wisely bought powders before Covid, with my reloading problem falling on large rifle & large pistol primers.
One issue I'm seeing is the dwindling places to shoot in order to stay proficient with different weapons .
Don't tell anyone where the fish are biting because it'll be dragged soon after.
I'm saying this because people are going around nowadays running stores clean of ammo just to resale for twice the price online
Primers? Shotgun? Large rifle? Where? None at my local stores😮
Hodgdon prioritized providing powder to the US Military for the Ukraine war. They sealed a massive military contract and put the smaller customers second. I am paraphrasing, but I had a rep from Hodgdon tell me this at the shot show. I am all but done with them. At least Fiocchi is building a primer manufacturing facility in Arkansas.
Maybe there's plenty of powder and other products available in the States. But I live in Northeastern BC Canada and we're just finally getting some powder available but as for bullets there's some available but no where near what was available 3 or 4 years ago and primers are almost non existent in the stores and if you find anything on the internet I've seen them as high as 500$ for a 1000. We also can't find much in the way of new or even used brass.
Here in western Canada there is some powder but no primers. Any little amount that does come in is gone within hours.
Cabelas in Calgary is selling Fed Prem 160gr Nosler Partitions in 7 Rem Mag at $99.99 a box. Actual price is $105 per box with tax or $5.25 per round.
Thanks for the in put Aaron
Haven’t seen large rifle primers for 1.5 years now in Canada.
Those of us who experienced most everything being readily available in decades past have learned to shoot correctly through practice that was “affordable”. We have our muscle memory to rely on. One has to feel bad for the young shooters of today in the rifle world paying the way over the top prices of components and loaded ammunition for center fire rifles to experience their hobby, and learning how to shoot a center fire rifle correctly. That is, assuming they can even find what they are looking for. In addition, highly touted new cartridge offerings of just a couple of decades ago have become closer to extinct, unless one hand loads and has squirreled away a generous supply of components. There is .22 rim fire to practice with of course, but practicing with high recoiling center fire rifles to learn said shooting skills is way over the top expensive for novice shooters. Personally, I can afford it, but refuse to spend that much these days to shoot as often as I used to. For us, we have that muscle memory to rely on in hunting situations. For the not yet learned, or the young, they literally must pay the price, and/or go without. A most unfortunate reality of the times. As an example, when I acquired my .300 RUM in 2002, I thought nothing of the cost of shooting 30, 40 rounds in a morning’s range session with the then, factory ammo. Today, if using factory ammo, that same range session would set one back $240.00. And hand loading, now, is not that far behind today in terms of costs.
If you think its difficult in the US - try finding reloading components in overseas countries!! Almost NON-EXISTENT supplies!!
For example, in Australia, if you find components in any of the other states in the country, the authorities either have prohibited their shipping to your home, OR, you need to pay an extortionate shipping fee (by one of the few remaining authorised courier services) to ship it to your local dealer. Once there, you then get hit with the Dealers handling fees before you can get your gear!!
IMO I don't think Americans have much to complain about.
Completely agree Tim. In the UK decent factory ammunition depending on calibre can be between £30 and £70 a box depending on calibre, some premium rounds even more, I've recently seen some 300 winmag at nearly £100 per box. An impending ban on lead is leading us to even more expensive nontoxic ammo. 50 barnes ttsx £60, 1kg of powder is now £120, £70 per lb. Lrp's non existant. Your average shooter is being priced out.
But we’re so good at it!
I did see the first H4350 (Australian) ive seen for 3 years in person or online but haven't seen the American IMR 4350 in a little bit but ordered a few pounds directly from them.
Hey Ron, when was this interview recorded?
We have everything here. No shortage where I am at. With that being said it is expensive.
Price hiking is a bigger concern than availability.
This guy should be a politician with how he avoided the questions. Obviously they're setting sales and fulfillment records but to who? It'd definitely not to regular retailers and the average hand loader. Whoever the big buyers are that are getting the components that are still hard to come buy must have an NDA with everyone employed in the industry. We're not getting the whole story.
Yeah we aren’t getting the whole story. This guy even said he gets a chuckle out of the conspiracy theories out there. I figured Ron would have better people to hang out with than idiots like this
Ammo manufacturers have to fill their largest contracts first. I'd imagine that those kind of orders are ending up in Ukraine.
@@Greengeist05 Yeah, that's my point. What's worse is that US tax payers, including hand loaders, flipped the bill. Yet no explanation or transparency from the manufacturers.
Yes....it was basically a "F-U, just pay what we say"
Seems like availability is not as bad as it was a few months ago, but still not good. Prices are high and never going back down.
@Ron - gentle suggestion: run the burn rates on the amount of powder used on an average day during the current European war versus the amount produced for the domestic market and you'll see just how dwarfed one is to the other and why magpies are always enticed by silver.
@Ron - count the deer, primers and powder on these ones... ruclips.net/user/shortsGHnntqkqvB0?feature=share
Ship some to TEXAS!
Well, I seen the writing on the wall so was buying 5000 primers at a time before the ass gouging started. Along with all the rest of the components, it feels good not to need anything .
Excellent video Ron. 👍👍
I have a hard time believing there has been that much of a demand for powder. If there are no primers, there won’t be sales of powder. That is the way it was for a long time. Primers are sort of available now, very limited variety and at least twice the price of pre 2020, so I still say powder demand is low.
Why show a segment filmed a year ago? What is industry status NOW?
Thanks for the updates!
Still, the manufacturers of bullets to sell what they feel is in MOST demand.... but they aren't talking to enough of the right people! There is a big demand for all bullet types, and their focus seems to be JUST for 5 or 6 calibers... and NOT the other 15 or 20 other calibers out there! There are LOTS of rifles out there silent because of lack of bullets, brass, and especially primers!!! And the primers are inflated to well over the 100% mark too. Also, we Shooters are still hoarding them too! Rationing them is the only way that availability can be restored to everyone.... at least until more sanity can come back to our sport! The manufacturers will realize that they'll always be able to sell what they make now!
I said it ain’t the guns you worry about it’s the ammo
Time to hunt using pitfall-traps. Oh sure it will cause undue harm on domestic people but that is the price tax payers must pay for Eastern Europe.
Can't find 7mm rem mag brass anywhere in the country, let alone on the shelf. However, they do have some loaded ammo available for 2x what it was a couple of years ago. Hmmmm... definitely smells fishy to me.
I was scrapping 7mag brass left and right a year ago, had a guy frantically looking for some at my LGS so I started saving them for him, think I'm up to 40 in the last year.
I reload i have 7 rem mag brass and bullets
Worse for 338
You think it's bad in the US and Canada.. try living in Australia.. we can't even get factory ammo.. powder and primers just does not exist over here for the last 5 years
This is a year later and I can't find primers anywhere????
Wtf
Ammo and powder I see all over. But primers its been years since I saw a box of small pistol primers. And online prices ridiculous.
If we have trouble shipping into the US, why not make it here?
I haven't been able to find bulets,primers powder,and especially primers..
Glad I just bit the bullet " HAHA" like 6 years ago and bought a shitload of stuff while it was cheap. I'm good for life unless I start shooting something new.
Over 2 years not one magnum rifle primer available in all of Canada
It all went to California . Every single store that sells it is not only fully stocked they are back stocked . We have more than we can shoot.
I watch most of Ron’s stuff but this interview was like listening to a politician ,Bull Plucky!
What good is powder for muzzle loaders if you can't get pecussion caps. What about primers. Stores are forcing people to buy a 1,000 at a time when you use to be able to buy a 100 at a time. Get all the money in the register you can, screw the customer is the rule of the day.
I have not heard an explanation of these shortages and prices that I find reasonable or credible. This crap has been going on for years.
That's because greedy people are buying them all up
Not at these prices !
Yeah, primers are becoming more available, but you have to shell out ~$100 and put 1000. Fine for one size of cartridge, but if you reload a few sizes, that add$ up fast. Good interview though. It is what it is.
Archery has never looked better
Primers are easy to get (here anyway). Its just the price that is hard to justify.
He is making tons of money, and feels like he is the hero of people who have to pay through the nose for components.
Great interview!
There isn’t any less ammo being produced than there ever has been. Its just that a handful of people have all of it and drove up the price for everyone else.
Primers are like 0,22€ per piece in Finland if can find any.
Has anybody seen AR Comp on the selves recently? Bought two pounds when everything stared started drying up at Black Sheep and haven’t seen any since. I bite the bullet so to speak and bought small rifle primers on line and payed hazmat shipping only to see them offer free hazmat two weeks later. Pretty much the story of my life, always paying more than what I should have.
Why would you wait 9 months to release a video where the info is fairly time sensitive?
He got a little shifty when Ron asked him about powder made in the U.S. By his body language it looked like he wanted to leave.
He said we “might” need to pass along some price increases… $25 to $55 a pound for Varget, H-1000, etc… you know, the most popular selling types… not so popular, still $35… strange they didn’t COST MORE to make as well…
Can get anything ya need in Texas. Prices aren’t the best but you really can’t expect them to be anymore. At least around here things seem relatively reasonable. Enjoy it until next year….
We heard it the first time you don't have to put it up there twice just to make your video twice as long
We need him to add bullets and primer to Hodgdon line. I would invest!,
To me, it doesn't wash that supply never catches up when all my friends have been shooting almost none since the panic started. They do not hoard by purchasing more than usual, they just buy a box or two on sale as usual but then don't go shoot it up.
Either raw resources are tremendously scarcer or massive amounts of resources or production (supply) are being removed from the distribution chain. Why did percussion caps suddenly get scarce? While the compound may be the same as primers, a mfr does not simply let tooling sit completely idle while there is normal demand for the caps. Percussion caps cannot be explained by pandemic concerns or new gun owners. A first-time gun owner will buy about two to three boxes of ammo with his/her gun and be good for months.
Everyone knows the effects the panic had, but everyone also knows the meaningful hoarding is over. Every hoarder now has on average 100x the ammo he will ever survive long enough to use or barter in a SHTF. The question is what is the REAL reason the panic started, and if normal competition is being thwarted to make the high prices the new normal? Is there collusion in ammo components; an "ammunition component OPEC"?
Is there a social policy push to keep shooters hoarding rather than shooting so they are conditioned to do without shooting and therefore not introduce younger people to shooting? After all, cultural marxists think in terms of generations, not years. Just musing
Haul it to Ukraine, put it in a warehouse and wait for Russia to blow it up. It's all bueno if everyone gets paid.
So edgy.
The industry just fugured out that producing less will give them more prifits.
@RonSpomer0utdoors This also opens opportunities for new manufacturers to fill in that demand.
December?? Ron ?