One of the best tenors I ever owned was a medium large Shires yellow bell 8" light weight nickle slide with a large shank lead pipe. Very versatile horn.
I feel like such a "has been" when watching videos like this. I've been out of the game too long (e.g., a 1.5 mouthpiece being a "medium bass"...it was THE bass trombone mouthpiece in my day). But hey, it's still fun to watch!
I’m personally buying a Littin gold brass exactly like the one on the floor, so they do sell to the US! Absolutely loved the horn and hopefully will continue to fall in love with it when it comes in September.
seeing how the detachable bell ring seems to have made the 835d so much better, i wonder if just adding a kranz or tone ring or tone garland would have a similar effect on the standard 835
There was a 42A with Hagmann at the Bach stands that had me questioning my life choices it was so good. One of the few horns I played and I was so sad it was almost six grand
I'll say it once, I'll say it again, Hagmanns on Bach seem to be super consistent. Though I'm not sure if they corrected the tuning issues on their basses...
Hey! I just wanted to warn you about icon valves- Yes they do play great. The problem you will run into is the outer walls of the valve. They are very very thin. They can and will be demaged by touching them. Great video, thank you ❤
Good stuff as usual! Man, what’s up with the Bach X wrap?! I contacted a big music store in New England and they say their tech has to go through them to make them place a little better. Disappointing. Also, from a video of yours years ago, you said that’s it’s that one special Bach that keeps people coming back to them. Looks like that 50BO is one of those!
Hi is the Conn 88h a good starter Tenor Trombone ? I got a deal on a used one and I was wondering what's your oppinion on this matter. I could get a Bach 42b also but for twice the price. Thank you.
Great reviews! Interested in the Yamaha 835, (in my dreams) but great to hear real feedback about it, rather than just reading specs. Any improvement on the 830 model consistincy. (I'm fine on my 822G, Butler slide, Yamaha 59). I used my Griego 2 (deeper than 59, almost same rim size) at rehearsal and I survived! I stopped using it because it was too deep for the pieces I was playing, but now it worked fine. X valve - sound like maybe the valve may be in backwards or something (?) Butler- great the C12 gets a good review.
I didn't like ANY of the Bach tenors at the show. I just can't top my early Corp 42! We bought an Adams tenor for my daughter at the show. It has the red brass bell with sterling flare (not the screw bell version that is in your photo). It is a really fantastic horn! She likes it better than her Edwards and her Corp 42. We are selling the Edwards and keeping the Corp as a backup.
Interesting summary. But sometimes hard to follow with the I guess american pronounciation of the German brands. After several relistenings I guess you own a Lätzsch Contra? The "tz" is actually pronouced very hard while in your pronounciation it seems to not exist. Or Voigt - you do not hear the "i" at all when it is correctly pronouced. Anyway, I can completely confirm what you said about comparing Thein with Voigt, but for standard B Basstrombones: The Van Dijk model I tried 10 years ago did not blow me away at all: too heavy, not a good response at least with my Lätzsch mouthpiece. I was really disappointed as I really like Ben's work on it. But the same day I tried a (Jürgen) Voigt German model, and it played almost as good as my custom Lätzsch Cieslik at about half price. I'm mentioning Juergen Voigt, as there is - or used to be? - also the trombone maker Helmut Voigt from the same town who also made very fine instruments (not sure if they are relatives).
Just a typical American speaking other languages! Yes, I quite liked the Voigt contra with the huge rotors. I don't think it's quite as good as my Laetzsch but of course I didn't get to play them side by side.
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One of the best tenors I ever owned was a medium large Shires yellow bell 8" light weight nickle slide with a large shank lead pipe. Very versatile horn.
Awesome well organized video..thx for your time and effort but all your videos are top notch .
I feel like such a "has been" when watching videos like this. I've been out of the game too long (e.g., a 1.5 mouthpiece being a "medium bass"...it was THE bass trombone mouthpiece in my day). But hey, it's still fun to watch!
I’m personally buying a Littin gold brass exactly like the one on the floor, so they do sell to the US! Absolutely loved the horn and hopefully will continue to fall in love with it when it comes in September.
The tenor?
@@AidanRitchie yep!!
I went to ITF years ago and Ironically it was at the same place.
seeing how the detachable bell ring seems to have made the 835d so much better, i wonder if just adding a kranz or tone ring or tone garland would have a similar effect on the standard 835
I have been using a Calders Tone Halo on the work 830 I use and it makes it much better. Still not a horn I would choose to use, but way way better.
Great video as usual, jam packed full of insightful information. Hopefully I'll get a chance to say hi next year when it's in my home town.
I probably won't be going- it'll be at a really busy time of year here
The Doug Elliot LT 6.5 sounds interesting.
nice video!
Hey thanks for the video. BOSC is actually an Italian company.
Aha! I didn't know that. Thank you!
There was a 42A with Hagmann at the Bach stands that had me questioning my life choices it was so good. One of the few horns I played and I was so sad it was almost six grand
A stock 42A can be amazing... I actually didn't even see it haha. I'm sure a normal music store would sell it for much less of course
I'll say it once, I'll say it again, Hagmanns on Bach seem to be super consistent. Though I'm not sure if they corrected the tuning issues on their basses...
I'm very happy with my 42a and I got mine for a crazy good deal. I think it converted me to Bach ...
Saying Butler is like "The greatest pBone of all time" was so brutal
Hey!
I just wanted to warn you about icon valves-
Yes they do play great. The problem you will run into is the outer walls of the valve. They are very very thin. They can and will be demaged by touching them.
Great video, thank you ❤
Very interesting! Is this an issue you've seen? That would make me feel better about having the standard rotors.
Good stuff as usual! Man, what’s up with the Bach X wrap?! I contacted a big music store in New England and they say their tech has to go through them to make them place a little better. Disappointing. Also, from a video of yours years ago, you said that’s it’s that one special Bach that keeps people coming back to them. Looks like that 50BO is one of those!
Hi is the Conn 88h a good starter Tenor Trombone ? I got a deal on a used one and I was wondering what's your oppinion on this matter. I could get a Bach 42b also but for twice the price. Thank you.
Great reviews! Interested in the Yamaha 835, (in my dreams) but great to hear real feedback about it, rather than just reading specs. Any improvement on the 830 model consistincy. (I'm fine on my 822G, Butler slide, Yamaha 59). I used my Griego 2 (deeper than 59, almost same rim size) at rehearsal and I survived! I stopped using it because it was too deep for the pieces I was playing, but now it worked fine.
X valve - sound like maybe the valve may be in backwards or something (?) Butler- great the C12 gets a good review.
Your 822 is better than anything below the 835D. You're in a good spot!
Did you hear that a Shires contra is in the works
They told me that! (at NAMM 2020). They are definitely taking their time.
Man, I've never craved a yamaha bass before but your description is tantalizing. Have they topped the 613?
Oh yeah. I love the 613 but there are better horns. My new 630G is better for instance. The 835D is clearly better, though very different in approach.
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I didn't like ANY of the Bach tenors at the show. I just can't top my early Corp 42!
We bought an Adams tenor for my daughter at the show. It has the red brass bell with sterling flare (not the screw bell version that is in your photo). It is a really fantastic horn! She likes it better than her Edwards and her Corp 42. We are selling the Edwards and keeping the Corp as a backup.
Interesting summary. But sometimes hard to follow with the I guess american pronounciation of the German brands. After several relistenings I guess you own a Lätzsch Contra? The "tz" is actually pronouced very hard while in your pronounciation it seems to not exist. Or Voigt - you do not hear the "i" at all when it is correctly pronouced. Anyway, I can completely confirm what you said about comparing Thein with Voigt, but for standard B Basstrombones: The Van Dijk model I tried 10 years ago did not blow me away at all: too heavy, not a good response at least with my Lätzsch mouthpiece. I was really disappointed as I really like Ben's work on it. But the same day I tried a (Jürgen) Voigt German model, and it played almost as good as my custom Lätzsch Cieslik at about half price. I'm mentioning Juergen Voigt, as there is - or used to be? - also the trombone maker Helmut Voigt from the same town who also made very fine instruments (not sure if they are relatives).
Just a typical American speaking other languages!
Yes, I quite liked the Voigt contra with the huge rotors. I don't think it's quite as good as my Laetzsch but of course I didn't get to play them side by side.