Titanium Weld Repair That Will Make Some People Mad
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
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I was saying in my head 80 bucks is about what I would charge to wash that, Ti is a estranged ex wife that keeps coming around
$80 for a GT3 fix. I'd call that a massive win for the owner.
Welding isn't priced on the type of car.
@@shirecain2129 Is he saying that it is cheap because More expensive cars typically have more expensive repairs
@@henrytimme3677 yes
I'm in the Industrial Maintenance and Service and I understand completely what you mean, 2 weeks ago I had to deal with an axle that broke on the headroll of a conveyer. The axle was welded in a cage and it was broken just outside the cage due to a piece of metal that was hanging around, everybody there at the plant told me it could not be welded but they had no spare either.
So I said I think I can do this besides waiting two months for a new one wasn't an option either. I stick the whole damn thing in a big lathe drilled and tapped a hole to fit a 8.8 bolt and made a bevel of around 60 degrees, did also the other side, cut a bolt's head off and screwed the two pieces together to align them then I tigged my way through and let it cool down from time to time.
Filed the whole thing up and turned it flat with the lathe.
Since then it is still working and a new one is ordered , so I hope it will survive that long...sometimes you got to do what you can, nothing less, nothing more.
I literally just did this exact same thing at my plant word for word today. I told the manager that it'll work until it doesn't, but at least it'll work.
@@JFulmer4 That's the spirit, you know, most managers are used to implement things that don't work...that's why I like to work in the night, they won't bother you.
I've done something pretty similar to fix a pretty flimsy bit of hollow tubing that was a support on a boom sprayer. Cleaned up the ends of the break, found a bolt that nicely fit the ID of the tubing, cut the head off the bolt, put it halfway into one side of the tubing, welded, inserted the other side and finished welding
Lol we did the same thing about six months ago and that shaft is still going strong.
100% brother. Shutdown costs are real and you have the head honchos over you, telling you how much money they are losing.....they would have saved a fraction of the cost by ignoring correct maintenance schedules, in lost production. Now it's your problem. Nice work mate.
The "I charged 80 bucks to fix that" was funny as hell
Positive Attitude , Don't worry about what other people think , you are a Trades Man and so am I , you did it the right way for this application , be happy I am , love your work Mate , all the best from Australia
I happen to be a youtube certified (watched a lot of videos about welding) expert welder and I call this a valid repair under the circumstances provided. Let the haters swallow hotdogs sideways.
It appears your big waiver worked, no haters commenting. At that point in your life when you have to get new haters, the old ones are starting to like you.
Thanks for your channel my guy. I’ve been watching for years and finally got my setup going. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and helping us new folk learn a thing or two.
Hehe, watching this tells me that my purge method worked when I welded Ti that one time... I just used a rubbermaid container and purged it with Argon for a while before lowering the torch into the container and fusion welding the joints. No color and no TiO2.
Great repair! It might not be a perfect new piece but its functional and most importantly its what the customer wanted!
Decades ago I was down in Texas & watched a seasoned welder do the same thing. I asked him what kind of weld he called it, he said "Weld'n mud-puddles".
Difference tween you-n-him, your superb quality. You dance those 'Mud Puddles' like a tap dance artist.😎👍
Sometimes gotta give the customer what they asked for. nice to see and quick video from you.
The way you said you charged $80 for that was hilarious. Like it wasn’t even worth the headache or lowering of your fine standards. Love your work and that you are a fellow local
Fit, Form, and Function. What you did is what I would have done too. That is also what engineering is supposed to be about. Sometimes my fellow engineers forget that.
Yeah one thing a lot of people miss is that oftentimes the customer just wants it repaired until they can get the funds to get the whole thing replaced. “Don’t get it done perfect, just get it to work” is how it goes sometimes
@@paytonlee2896 "Perfect enough" is a great term for that.
Great job 👌🏻👌🏻 Apart from starting from scratch, and costing a fortune. Definitely the best approach 👍🏻
I'm halfway through the video and I'm so happy that I'm not alone in the practice of saying "basically, it's fubar, and it won't be correct.," I've had too many people try to deny my knowledge that it almost made me sell my shit.
Thanks for another video. Your honest in what you do and explain things very well
Well done! And yea I caught the “Coool wwwwwhhhhiiip” reference from Family Guy. Well played too! And forget the aero space perfection gurus. Not all repairs need to be museum quality. You took what was a very expensive ruined part and made it function again. Bravo.
That's wheird
My old team leader used to say it best.
"For what it is, it'll do"
"Good enough for government work"
Basically meets the minimum requirement.
Great job sometimes things are broken and you just fix them as best as you can
I really enjoy the live commentary along side the voice over.
I have TIG welded for over 5 years with no schooling. I just taught myself. I also don't have any shielding so this is what my welds look like and when I use too much heat. If you don't have shielding using a aluminum bar will hope so much. It stops it from bleeding through on the other side.
would you be mad if i told you that you haven't been TIG welding.....? (tungsten inert gas)
No shielding gas.... on TIG? That's just T....Also, you NEED shielding, bro.
Well seeing as I use tungsten to make an ark and argon as the inert gas I think it's fair to say it's TIG welding.
@@lokithegreat1 that is shielding then 😂
Shielding aka gas (argon in most cases for tig)
Love how often you see "you didn't do this properly!" From folks who have only read about the proper methods in a book or watched a video and ignore the fact that an exhaust to is pretty much the lowest stakes part imaginable.
So, you only charged the argon you used, that's a win for the customer in a crappy part. And I don't see any space engineers on the comments, that's a win for you. And another win for you is this comment. As fast Matt says "all hail the algorithm"
Haha, the "german intro" confused me (as a German) more than it should.
For a short time I was wondering about clicking the wrong video instead of the TFS video I wanted to click. I really had to smile, when I got it. 🙈
By the way: great repair job, it's about helping the costumer and not about doing it the 1000% right industrial NASA way.
Nice to see that my Prime Weld will weld titanium, even incorrectly. Bought that welder based on your review, thank you.
About to order it, upgrading from my dc only everlast
Good stuff Justin, thank you for sharing with us i have a prime weld 225x💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
As an aerospace professional.....nah just kidding. I'm just commenting for the algorithm. Nice work.
well, to be honest, this is exactly what i would expect from you,...i have seen you how you load trailers..... O:) ;)
seriously tho, this is a wonderful insight and information that technically may be "incorrect", "wrong", or otherwise, when it comes to "proper technique", and those that would attempt to point this sort of "incorrect information" simply are ignoring that this most likely would not have happened if the manufacturer had actually done it "correctly" in the first place, no?? so good for you for sharing, and explaining the process and reasoning behind your repair. i am certain the customer was quite pleased with the results.
and krud kutter it the best!!
If you can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time you'll be ok. Great video.
You really need to smack it a bit harder and say "that's not going anywhere" to make it last longer. Other then that ir seems totally legit.
you did that all wrong... it'll never fly! 😂🤣😂🤣 whhipp!
thanks for the video. this was super helpful.
I love your common sense approach to fixes. That's one of the reasons I watch your channel. And your distinctive voice. Two thumbs up.
> aerospace professionals
I.e. engineers who have never fixed a thing in their lives
so I'm a noob and trying to learn this stuff. I can definitely see similarities between the back side penetration of this titanium and some stainless pieces that I've been practicing on. I've been thinking about how stainless gets all nasty and oxidized if it's not back purged of shielded. I have welded some stainless exhaust tubing with solaflux on the inside with pretty decent results. Maybe this Ti weld would have been better if the original welder used some solaflux on the outside? Anyway, one thing I haven't ever seen any videos addressing is shielding of thin, flat stainless plate/sheet when TIG'd together. I have butt and lap welded on some 18ga and some .030" sheet. Strong penetration on the thin stuff is imminent and will crystalize unless I put some solaflux on it. I see loads of yt videos of people welding stainless, and if it's a tube or pipe, shielding the backside is always addressed, either by back purging or solaflux. However, when it's a video of welding flat stainless, the issue of the back is completely ignored. How are you more experienced welders treating the back of sheet stainless? tia
love your vids mate keep up the good work
how I help it to do some shielding without making a huge deal of it, we have another regulator and a small hose, on the end a metal tube slightly squisshed . And while I am welding another person, follows me with this hose slightly after my point where I weld. It cools the material down and works great on those shity pieces you can make a purge. I know you said the material was compromised but it can be better , this way you get no more oxiditation or even the old one gets better...
Nice and practical 👍👍
I was a little confused at the German in the beginning not that bad actually
Greetings from a fabricator from Germany
I think you did great. Just a question out of curiosity: what about cutting away a quarter of an inch (the damaged section) from the pipes and weld them back to the plate? A little bit shorter doesn't seem to affect the proper functioning of the part 🤷♂️
well isn't the plate also contaminated? so you'd have to cut the holes bigger to get to good metal. I'm pretty new to welding so sorry if I'm wrong
But it’s an exhaust, might burn the bumper of the vehicle if shortened.
And the exhaust won't match the other side...
Nothing to say, just commenting for the algorithm, Keep it up man, i love watching your vids about literally anything.
Titanium Dioxide is also found in ranch dressing to make it bright white.
I knew I was made of titanium!
Your vroom vroom bit.. funny. I always say when I fix something “it’s not a fkin rocket ship dude it’ll be fine”
great camera work and very informative cheers
Just found your channel and I'm currently bingeing on your videos, and I would've done the exact same thing.
question: does the oxidation go all the way through the metal? I'm not familiar with titanium. Could you brush the oxidation off somehow and then weld the other side of the weld? I get that this is basically a cosmetic piece and the single side is probably strong enough, but I'm curious.
No it goes throughout the metal.
@@memeier9894 oof. Titanium sounds tricky. So very pretty though.
@@memeier9894 Sounds mighty sus. Probably it doesnt......
As a customer, all I would want is it to work! Keep it simple 💪💪
By definition it doesn't work, it's a weakness. But it's the best thing you can get instead of just replacing the part outright, which can be done later too.
Im no pro, priceless knowledge in this video, thank for making it man!
dude you made my day (tryin‘) speaking german 😂😂😂👌🏼
I have followed this channel and this man for a long time.
Very much useful information and he is very smart.
But I've never seen him use a respirator.
Not with aluminum, not when he's welding stainless. How can this be?
Military aircraft are known to have this problem especially in their engines and engine compartments. I'll also say that you might be able to have a solution by baking the entire part in a zero oxygen environment and keeping it there while you use a titanium welding techniques to help the bonding. I'm also going to tell you that it's fairly likely that you don't have the proper heating oven and even then it probably won't be much if any better.
Thanks for the reality check
wonderful Justin....
I would have done that too. It just needs to work until the owner's muffler delete is ready to install.
-- Can you bronze braze titanium if you scuff it down very thoroughly?
I was thinking that you were going to do the other side also?
What about setting up an old sand blasting cabinet into a argon cabinet for welding in a inert atmosphere
I’m mad already and have t even see the video yet
Is there a Solarflux type flux for titanium?, I have used the one [type B] for Stainless with good results, I believe the type I is for iconel and Monel.....thanks Justin.....Paul in Orlando, FL
Come on Porsche. Such shoddy work.
Some coarse brown Scotchbrite pad on a random orbital sander (cut into the appropriate circular shape) and sprayed with regular PB Blaster will get that welding table top looking like new.
You’re videos have been a big help for me and the metals that I order from your online store. I was wondering if you can help me and others who are looking to get into aerospace welding. Is there a way you could sale thin tube size 1.1 mm and thin plates 1.1mm. To practice tube to plate and tube to tube. I’m still practicing to get better.
And it bolts on!!! I guess maybe the German workers did not have z torque @ z proper specification on z fasteners. They will be cleaning toilets for a very long time, or they are eliminated from the production line..... Anyway just found your channel and love your sense of humor. Subscribed. God bless and have a great day!!!
This is a perfect demonstration of why you pay for the job. You are not buying the welding, any fool can do that, as the first job amply demonstrates; the money you pay buys the knowledge, skills and abilities of the tradesman to provide you honest appraisal of the job and completion in accordance with the appraisal.
Wondering, is the titanium totally destroyed or destroyed in that area close to the original welds only? (If the customer wanted) could you have cut them off and just shortened the tips a bit then shielded and re-welded? (Wouldn’t fix the base of the part though which may be why this wasn’t an option?)
Possibly...but where would you cut it? It's hard to tell. It's already fucked, so you really can't fuck it any further. It will probably hold for as long as the original weld held.
IF it breaks again, it's just an $80 "repair" for a $225,000 car. Minuscule maintenance weld in comparison.
The pipes are probably aligned somewhat to the bodywork of the car and would look funky if shortened.
Always keep inswool around. Stuff the tubing full up to your weld joint to create a wall to contain more of the gas.
Thanks
Could the titanium dioxide have formed from someone getting that exhaust red hot? I'm wondering if it could have been caused by the end user and not by having been manufactured incorrectly. Just wondering if its possible.
👍I learned something. I learned about paint on a welding Chanel😄.no really nice job.
im here to learn not bitch about how you did something. thank you for sharing your Knowledge and expertise.
I’d be super happy with that entire transaction! Not only did he get his part fixed, he got a video of it being done, all for $80! I’m right this moment trying to figure out if there are any unitized welding tasks for my project car that I can send your way. Nice work!
That's good for your business, the guy will probably be back every 6 months or so until you say it's too cooked and need to be replaced 😂
These are just the exhaust tips, right? All they have to do is look like they are important. JB Weld and send it.
As an "aerospace professional," Titanium Dioxide is no joke. Every mission-critical Titanium part in an aircraft has a pedigree, inspection interval, and a service life.
will hold untill the next time it doesnt hold. basically the life of weld repairs
😎👍
The algorithm says that was totally something.
That's a exhaust tip. Cosmetic. As long as it doesn't fall off, it's good.
Still, it's algorithmic something 🤨
IDK about you, but every time I go to a car show I bring my xray to verify that every weld is perfect on every car.
@@RK-kn1ud
😆
I think I've seen you.
Thick glasses, pocket protector and a face tattoo of a TIG tourch?
Maybe that was someone else?
@@franktaylor7617 The aforementioned tattoo is actually on my Johnson.
@@RK-kn1ud
FABRICATOR!!!
( In my best Jiminy Glick voice)
Beter to have a true Fabricator repair that part than some so-called "aerospace professional."
Keep up the great work bud
"Hwhite? Cool hwhip?" Thanks for the Family Guy reference 😀
Anyway, thanks for the insight again and what you did makes absolute sense. Can't F it more if it's already F-ed. 😀
As an air and space technician I ask why didn't you do it properly and weld it in space?
Can you have used Solar Flux on the backside?
Would a flux paste be of use for something like this? I swear by that type b mud on thin stainless
Once the Titanium is contaminated no, the part is essentially scrap with more high heat cycles from rewelding it will deteriorate further.
Could you have applied some flux on the back side to avoid the oxide forming?
Uhm.. So I understood the German? I mean, not word for word but I knew what you were saying. Context is incredibly powerful lol
job well done 🙂
Even the coloring would compromise welded titanium as micro fractures might start do develop in the oxidation.
From the title I imagined a big gob of jb-weld. There is not a lot of meat on there to weld, does titanium blow out like thing gauge steel?
Why always removing Greece and never Turkey maan? (great video and shop advice BTW)
How do you do that so well?
lol the amount of aerospace engineers that told me 0.0005" was out of spec i just laugh when they couldnt even figure out that the material was 0.007" out of spec in thickness before i even got the part at the job.
im sorry but i have not heard of issue that was caused by half a thousanths of a inch when it came to a "cover plate" for a power supply box become "unsable".
My mother in law is an engineer for a company that makes missles, and she loves laughing about other engineers being that dumb
Could it be brazed?
Wait, you don't have a magic wand?! 😁✌️
Hard to shield, that crap. Especially considering the damage already done. Would have solar flux worked?
I think you should retitle this to either
I pick this up and I put it down. A lot!
Or, I charged 80 bucks to fix that.
Btw you did that entirely correctly. You do what you have to. Sometimes that means as little as possible.
I don’t see any leaks! 😳👍👍😊
What about using AC to "clean" the oxide like they do for Aluminium?
Unless I misunderstood the problem, you could just chemically etch the titanium dioxide layer away using a combination of hydrofluoric acid and hydrogen peroxide. This won't harm the underlying titanium but will completely dissolve the oxide layer.
I could not fully understand though, maybe he believes there is a bunch of oxide mixed into the base material itself? Even if that was the case, couldn't striking an initial arc after the surface layer was treated bring all the oxide to the surface? Just speculating, as this could have been an easy solution to the problem.
what type of gas Argon
Good deal
Helping the algorithm!
i'm only here for the "aerospace professionals" 😆
I am willing to bet that the replacement part is either unavailable or outrageously expensive with a long backorder time. As far as technique goes, as you said at the beginning, does it go Vroom Vroom!, Zoom, Zoom! or Pew, Pew! ?