The Beatles: What were they thinking? ('I am the Walrus' 2023)
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- The Beatles 'blue' album has been released with remixes of these Beatles classics, however what is wrong with the new mix of 'I am Walrus?'
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The more, the merrier. No one is taking away our old LPs, CDs, cassettes or 8 Track tapes. Love the remixes. In particular, "I am the Walrus". In general, the remixes are clearer, cleaner and more spacious sounding. Thanks for the video.
The Walrus remix on “Love” is far better than this new one. In fact, every remix on Love is better than the new ones. Compare the mixes of “Revolution” on Love and The new one. There’s no question. “Love” is hands down the superior mix.
Agree 100%
I know Beatle fans love the thought of a 'Martin' having something to do with these remixes/Re masterings but from what I've heard most of it was done for the sake of doing it? Some songs ended up straight weird especially I Am The Walrus. I really do think that Giles is the wrong person for this incredibly important (if un necessary) job.
This new remix of I Am the Walrus reminds me of what Giles Martin did to Helter Skelter and She Said She Said; he completely took away their bite and power, and removed the edge that made them so compelling in the first place. As others have mentioned; thank god we still have the original, and far superior mixes done by his late father.
Exactly! I found that with the White Album. Some of the songs now seemed "limp" and without an edge. The White Album always had a lack of bass, but it goes to show that remixing something so it is theoretically sonically "balanced" does not necessarily make it better. Don't they ever think that because the songs were created with 1968 instruments and equipment, that it actually sounds better to try to honour the original mix and try to improve the clarity but keep the general sonic signature?
There were albums of course that had actual sonic problems where the mixes were really wonky (some albuns by The Move), but I think the mix of the original White Album is just a certain "flavor".
Did you notice the strange wobbling in the stereo paning on Tomorrow never knows on the new version? it is ... I do not know...
You're absolutely right!
Giles is the wrong man for the job. In a lot of ways he just has a name.
I rank I am the Walrus in their top 5 songs.
I would say the problem with the "I Am the Walrus" mix is that they added so much "new," previously unheard sound effects gimmickry that the original track is drowned over the last minute or so of the fade-out. The snatches of the BBC "King Lear" broadcast are part of the fabric of the song, and some of the most notable bits ("Oh, untimely death!") are now gone or nearly inaudible. Because EMI had only four-track machines, the song shifted into mono on "Sitting in an English garden..." when the radio recordings kick in, which was then panned between the speakers. It was never recorded in "true stereo" and never intended that way. The whole point was that it was otherworldly and anti-realistic. My favorite moment of the outro is when the "duophonic" tracks congeal in the center of the soundstage. It's magnificent! And it's not in the Giles Martin version, so I'll stick with the real thing from now on.
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But the albums are better than ever the sound now is so much better
This is one of my favourite Beatles' songs. However, in recent years, any time I think about it it suddenly changes over to "Piggy In The Middle" by The Rutles, which I think is Neil Innes' absolute masterpiece.
Totally agree. But hear also The Dukes of Stratosphear's (XTC) Mole from the Ministry.
Get up and go
Innes could have easily been a Beatle if Lennon said good bye.
@@Neil-Aspinall What if JL, GH and RS had invited him in when Paul split?
@@beatxt Problem would be that Innes did Lennon style much better that McCartney style. With Paul I feel he was doing a real parody. Regardless The Beatles would have fallen apart without McCartney. Lennon was the genius but McCartney was the craftsman in the engine room. If Paul left mid 60's I hate to think what would have happened to them, wouldn't have been pretty.
Great review. I just listened to it, and I can't believe it. They weakened a biting, stinging, satirical song, and a song that originally kept building to a frenzied psychedelic ending. Lennon's acid tongued biting vocal is lost in the mix, the King Lear radio play that they accidentally caught during the original mix is gone, etc. Most of the new mixes on both the red and blue are interesting because they brought out more of the music, you can hear things you never heard before, so they are worth the new mix. Walrus to me is destroyed. I'll stick to the original.
I agree. I was horrified when I got to the end, and then I thought, "well, the younger Martin is trying to show us what's underneath the tracks we are familiar with"...then I thought, "this should have been a bonus track, not the actual one." I think it was a bridge too far.
They actually lost the original bit to the ending and that was bus attempt to recreate it iirc
@@alexlestat not necessarily.. more so the original ending was in fake stereo.. I honestly have no clue if there even was a true stereo version to begin with
This is an excellent, erudite and thoughtful commentary.
For my own part, the original mono mixes of "I Am The Walrus" which appeared almost simultaneously on the B-side of "Hello Goodbye" and as part of the UK "Magical Mystery Tour" EP remain the definitive gold standard versions. I can think of few recordings which affected my perception of music so profoundly, especially when I could hear these recordings being played on an old-fashioned, valve-powered "radiogram".
Hearing the sheer warmth and body of that sound is a completely different experience from listening to these modern stereo remixes which are primarily designed for people who generally listen to digitally produced music through earbuds.
With this particular remix, it loses far more than it gains, particularly during the shambles of the fadeout. I hope and pray that this mix never gains recognition as the definitive version.
At best, it's an interesting bonus track in which we can hear some of the components more clearly but it's not by any means a better overall sonic experience. Far from it.
I can just hear the late George Martin saying to his son Giles "What the hell did you do that for?"😂
Why oh why did they decide to crank up the mix of the radio play at the expense of the track towards the end? The backing track almost completely gets buried at one point!
You can't hear the haunting "Oh, untimely death" at the end of the song. ..🤷♀🤷♀🤷♀🤷♀🤷♀🤷♀🤷♀🤷♀🤷♀🤷♀
This mixes are Amazing rhe best sound ever
I built up the courage to listen to the new I am the walrus remix - therapy sessions , straight jackets booked in case I’m irredeemably damaged by that last 45 seconds- and guess what !
I’m ok
and I quite like it - that decent into radio white noise is quite spooky
Lennon always complained I am The Walrus should had been the A side instead of McCartneys Hello Goodbye....he may have had a point.
Well Hello Goodbye was the more obvious pop song. And 7 weeks at UK No1 says it all there.
Walrus is the better song though.
@blackbaron0 what with the hate for hello goodbye? I always felt it was on part with I am the walrus
I like 'Hello Goodbye' McCartney is often berated for writing what many consider 'lightweight' pop. But I think he's a fantastic song writer... Just my opinion though
@@theknightsofawesomeness2701I agree and I think it’s better personally. This is the same Lennon who thought Revolution #9 should be a single.
There were many Beatle songs that could have been number one on the charts if they were released like they do songs today. Why didn’t You Can’t do That reach number one for one of many examples….
As a boomer from the day, I liked both the stereo and mono releases they chose back then. I like the panning. They chose what they chose, because that's how they preferred for us to hear it, which is an artistic decision...their artistic decision. Though John might have wanted to change the mix in the future, they chose what they did for a specific reason, which is as good a reason as any, and it was how they felt at the time, which is everything to me.
Yes, Leonardo Da Vinci wouldn't want a mustache painted on the Mona Lisa, but many remixers, out of personal musical preference, change things to suit their own ideas or times, would paint on that mustache and call it improvement. Yawn...Roll Over Beethoven, in your grave, you're next...
I agree. I hate the abomination they did to the last minute or so of the song in particular. FAIL! The radio broadcast and the rising violins near the end are now mostly buried or silenced by radio tuning noise! I hope they don't use this remix in any remixed Magical Mystery Tour in the future, but I fear they will. I'll be keeping my 2009 CD and vinyl records and hoping that they correct this in a future remix of this remix (2040's?). Hopefully I'm still alive and also not deaf by then! Fingers crossed.
I liked the new 2023 mix until I heard the outro. This is one of my favorite Beatles songs and always will be but that odd section that they put in (I'd have to go back and find the time where it starts) just stood out like a sore thumb, and drowned out some critical parts, I was thinking WTF! The beginning of the fade dropped in volume too much. I'm really starting to tire of these re-mixes, I want the original songs remastered and re-mixed I don't want new parts thrown in. Expanding the Red/Blue albums was really a head scratcher; why put non-original songs on it and why expand it? A better idea would have been to redo the Anthology albums and put Now and Then out as a single and on the third installment of Anthology. Also, to call the box sets "box sets" is a bit of a joke as there is no: promo poster of the release and no book, nothing. My favorite Beatle album "Revolver" has no promo poster, bad quality control and no picture sleeve of the original "Paperback Writer/Rain". The Red and Blue release feels like a huge rush job with zero thought behind it. Universal/Disney is really ruining things and as with them are only out for the cash. Also, why make the cd/vinyl/colored vinyl "limited" there is absolutely no reason for it. The Discog/Ebay scam is in full swing and it is disgusting.
Other than I am the Walrus, I have very little to quibble about the remixes of the other tracks. Most are improved, some seem no different and a relative few are slightly degraded. I am surprised how much I am enjoying listening to these two sets of reissues. It's something tangible about The Beatles progress as songwriters and musicians.Overall, well done!
over processed muck
The I Am the Walrus remix is interesting as an alternate mix, but I hope and pray when they finally remix the Magical Mystery Tour album that they reproduce the mix as we know it (but with the "veils" lifted and stereo all the way through to the end). But they need to mix the BBC King Lear in as was done on the original. Phrases such as "Oh untimely death" and "burry my body" are too iconic to mix out of existence.
My response to this re-mix: Not having it! Opinions: I can hear why the original mix needed a little re-mixing for today, but IATW 2023 went a little too obvious with the touching up. The ending is ruined with more sounds going over the ending groove and the King Lear lines which made the fade out memorable plus the small embellishments were annoying. Just my take, though.
There is a fabulous remix of IATW that no one ever seems to take notice of. If you listen to the mix on the anthology DVD, it is a true stereo mix from start to finish. In the original stereo mix half way through it goes to a fake stereo. In the anthology version it doesn't. It's great! The only problem was the very beginning and end was missing. Many years ago I took the stereo audio output from my DVD player and recorded it into my audio editing software. I then edited in the intro and the last 10 seconds or so from the MMT cd and I've had a glorious true stereo mix (except for the last few seconds) for years now. That is proof that it is possible to do a great remix and keep the integrity of the original version. That's what I was expecting now, not the mess we got!
Thank you! Coming off of the Great Blue Album Walrus Mutilation of 2023, it's nice to know I have a decent version on DVD. I wonder if this is the same version as on Love? If it is, I'll just make a Spotify playlist of the Blue album with the Love version substituted.
Listen to the mix of 'Walrus' on the Love album. It blows all the others away. The anthology dvd version is ok but the vocals are too loud for me. Love is much more well balanced
On the Red Album should've included I Should Have Known Better
Yes, they should have. Love that song!
They should've known better.
I don't mind this new remix of 'I'm The Walrus'. I look at it as listening to this song from a different angle, a different perspective. After all there is the 2009 remaster version
one can go back to. But, yeah I'm loving the new remixes of the Red and Blue albums. By the way, great analysis!
same here
Listen to the mix of 'Walrus' on the Love album. It blows all the others away
I love how they clarify everything in Glass Onion - the Walrus was Paul.
I'm not biting on any of these recent remixed-for-your-mobile-phone scams. This stuff shows the importance of owning the original media...who knows what they will do to it all in the future for "modern" audiences.
I'm holding onto my 1987 cds and 2009 Mono & Stereo sets more tightly than ever. I hope these remixes don't replace the originals in all future availability of the Beatles music. Let the kids have their earbud friendly versions as long as the originals remain easy to access as well
I thought that most of the Walrus remix was fine. I liked the better definition of the various instruments. But the whole outro is problematic. In particular, they appear to have largely downplayed the radio part, especially the King Lear broadcast, with the fadeout ending with the "untimely death" line. And in its place there's this other stuff, which presumably was buried in there somewhere in the original, but which seems so out of place when it's out front.
Thanks! I totally agree with your accessment of "Walrus." All I was expecting was the original to be cleaned up with the latest technology. All stereo with hi-def sound. This re-imagined mix just sounds schizophrenic at the end. You can't hear the haunting "Oh, untimely death" at the end of the song. They should have included both versions on this package.
Thank you for your kind words and your generosity
I don't think this remix is necessarily meant to replace the version we all know and love. To me I'm fine with it. It's sort of like a bootleg. I would think they knew it would create a lot of conversation.
The worst part is it almost works. Bring the strings up in the second half and it would have been a really good remix.
Just a general comment, but ever since they remixed the White Album I've questioned the need for it. Abbey Road in particular was a dud since the album wasn't in need other any tinkering. The original UK pressings of the album remains the gold standard IMHO. I think we've gotten to the point with The Beatles' later material where they are remixing solely because there is a commercial market for it. Do we really need to fix Mona Lisa's smile so we can see her teeth? I do agree that with the stereo mixes of the earlier material is warranted, however.
I agree. But I have been enjoying these Beatles remixes
@@classicalbum Oh yes, me too. However I would enjoy them more if they weren't so f-----g expensive. ;)
Every year it seems that the Apple Corps Cash Cow needs a good feeding!
They actually added NEW radio noise, dialing, radio talk and static that are not part of the 4-track or the original mono mix. I guess we can now change and add to Beatles recordings and everyone cheers.
With some of these remixes, it is a tough call. The original tracks were released with approval from the band. This is what they wanted their fans to hear. Having someone else remix them such that the there are very noticeable differences to old fans like myself does feel like a corruption. For example, why remix 'Revolution 9'? Love it or hate it, it was mixed the way John wanted it. It was an artistic statement as-is and now someone else comes along and reinterprets it? Removing the false start from 'I've Just A Face'? It feels like a corruption. But the music business is a business and must generate cash. With the Beatles there is always a ready audience.
it was John who called attention to _Alice in Wonderland_ and Lewis Carroll that caused others to latch onto it.
I think it is understandable that we would all have mixed emotions about what we are hearing in the new mix because we've heard the old one hundreds of times , so it is a bit weird to the ear. The beautiful thing is we have both versions, so we can choose and compare from here onward.
"I Am the Walrus" was a "B"-side before it was included on the COMPILATION LP "Magical Mystery Tour".
I just don't like how the radio effects drown out the music. I think the remixes done for Rock Band and the Magical Mystery Tour Blu Ray are much better than this latest one.
I think it sounds great. Giles just brought out things that were buried in the mix. Is it better than the original no. Is it interesting and different…. Yes. I particularly like hearing the naked organ on the left. Beatles purists need to let it go. Just enjoy it for what it is. Good enough for Paul and Ringo. Good enough for me
Dig the shirt. Give us a Miles top 10 please!! Would be intrigued with your thoughts.
I have had no issues with most of the remixes that have come down the pipe since they started doing the deluxe albums, but I was really disappointed with this one. IMHO, this track and 'tomorrow never knows' both were greatly enhanced by the sub-standard mixing practices of the mid-60s. The jarring way they are panned to either the left or right really work in these songs in particular. Particularly with 'I am the walrus' I feel like there are bits missing in this new mix.
Fortunately, the old mixes are still there for us to compare to ;)
it's okay, but i love the LOVE version. I'll stick to that. Apart from Walrus i like all the Blue. The only thing I wish they'd done on the Red is used Andy white's Love me Do in stereo. It's a better performance all round. Ringo's tamborine gives it great punctuation. Apart from that the new Red and Blues are great. 😀
The Love version 👍
Giles Martin did give us something new, an Atmos mix of both Red and Blue collections. I would not be surprised when the entire remaining Beatles" catalog is made available online on Apple Music, remixed and in Atmos.
For sure. This album is best experienced in atmos. Not stereo. It is absolutely amazing. If people don’t like it…then don’t listen. Geez
John Ottway has an interesting version of I am the Walrus too.
What were they thinking on Old Brown Shoe? Half the leadguitar is missing in the second verse. Actually that whole guitar track (which plays in unison with the bass in the middle eight) is all but inaudible.
I have the first pressing of most Beatles albums,especially from Rubber Soul to Let it Be.No need for boxed sets or remixed /remastered anniversary editions
Hey, I’ve seen the complaints, I’ve heard the tracks, I’m an audio engineer as well… they did what they did because many of the later songs peak at the end. They’re mixed to accommodate the peaks and valleys of the songs in ways they weren’t allowed to mix for “pop music” half a century ago. It’s all good. ✌🏻❤️
I Am the Walrus has always been my favorite Beatles song.
I bought the original blue album back in the early 70s and my brother bought the red. With the release of the new mixes I decided it was finally time to own the red and get a fresh copy of the blue. But after mixed reviews about these new mixes I opted to get copies of the vinyl versions of the 2014 remixes which, for the most part, get great reviews. Sure, they don't have the extra tracks (although the fact that, on vinyl, the new tracks are not chronological) probably would have bugged me. But they sound great, and I like the fact that they're presented in their original form as I remember from back in 1973.
I love the new mix of walrus. But the best remix on the new blue album is Bulldog, hands down. Apart from the bass which is REALLY 300hz heavy, very boomy and muddy on lots of average speakers. You can tell many of these remixes are meant to sound best on headphones
Hey Bulldog new 2023 mix is better than the 1999 mix from Yellow Submarine Songtrack
Yeah, my first impression of the new mixes were that they’re very friendly to Paul’s bass. That’s not a bad thing, some of the early stuff buried the bass. Imagine if they ran the All My Loving bass through the console instead of what sounds like a room mic. That’s what the remixes sound like to me. Some better than others though.
I hope a fan makes a mash up of the 2023 and the end of the original mix and uploads it to YT.
I thought the new All Things Must Pass remix was really good. Anyway, good review of 'Walrus'.
Many did, but I prefer the previous version. I though the version of 'My Sweet Lord' has been stripped of its majesty.
I also felt the album was mixed too warmly. 40th anniversary effort better sounding to my ears.
As a musician and producer I must say I enjoy every new mixes. People complaining about money grab or the need to do that don’t have to buy. To me, hearing songs like Norwegian Wood and Paperback writer with a normal panning, a clean voice in the middle or a guitar riff near the center as it should be is a real real real joy. I also really like the new Walrus. It’s a top 5 Beatle song for me and I don’t think it sounds limp at all. I enjoy the extra bottom end and crispness of the vocals.
The whole remixing thing stems from the fact that the stereo mixes in the 60s had a lot to be desired. The mono versions are untouchable as that was what they were all working towards. In fact Geoff Emerick said you must always listen to pepper in mono as the stereo version misses out parts. So why were the original stereo mixes so bad? Well first up it was new technology and the 4 track mixers of Abbey road could not cope with stereo anyway. The general consensus says that the stereo mixes were just after thoughts and the beatles themselves had no involvement in them. However, that is not the whole story. George Martin in an interview said the stereo versions were done for the stereo players of the time, these were extremely expensive furniture like radio grams, of course mono ones were ubiquitous, but stereo were for the super rich. The speakers in these units were close together so George Martin said that for people to get a stereo effect, hard panning had to be made of the vocals and instruments. Of course with head phones and spaced speakers this can sound terrible. Wouldnt it be great if you could stream each ai split off track and do the mixing yourself?
Mm - well IF it truly would be great, perhaps that's what should have been done here! Another first for the Beatles! Probably not cheap, but the true believers would have gone after it.
Certain tech software to allow you mixing controllers could have been available online to be downloaded through a key for those who'd bought the albums.
I respect all of the new mixes. The ‘new’ mix is obviously meant to be not just the ‘old’ mix. I respect both.
Thanks for the information on the Walrus lyrics. I had no idea Lennon was referring to children’s sing along songs and Lewis Carrol. Now the song makes more sense to me. Elementary Penguin? I had no idea what he was referring to. Now I get it.
Thanks for explaining the lyrics as to what he was referring to.
Yellow matter custard dripping from a dead dogs eye. I always thought he’s painting an ugly picture in my head. And now I find out there was a nursery rhyme he was referring to? I had no clue.
I always like to find out what the lyrics mean. Thanks for the explanation.
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Giles and Sam deliberately mess up a track on each album remix. She Said from Revolver and Walrus 2023 are prime examples.
I'm now 50 and grew up with my mom's copies. I've heard,but didn't get into it until my 40's how many mixes,version's etc there were for the Beatles. That said,I read about the new mix and listened to it in the car via Spotify. It is different, especially the end. Even I noticed it sonic-ally ,my ears doing the lifting. I do however like it, a lot ...especially in the car. I wnet home and headphoned it ( Sennheiser 900,and a headphone amp) and it is clean, and wide stage sounding. I think thats what Giles was going for. But it is still I am The Walrus...no matter what you do to it.
The usual good vid...
One of my Beatles' top 10.
As regards remixes, i usually take the kerouac attitude of '1st thought, best thought'.
Off-topic question: Have you done a vid on Random Hold, especially 'The View From Here'?
No problems with the vast majority of the new mixes, but the fade out on Walrus is a dogs dinner - the radio play now dominates to the detriment of the music, I cannot believe it was approved by McCartney and Starr.
Totally agree. I'm OK with most of it but I've long said that "Walrus" is the only song I know of that actually gets better as it fades out. This remix destroys that.
I would love to see Giles Martin remix White Light/White Heat by the Velvet Underground. Clean up all that clutter on Sister Ray.
I like the new remix, Bass is clearer and it's more balanced, better for me.
"I Am the Walrus" has always been one of my favorite Beatles tracks, and I heard a lot of grumbling about this mix before I ever heard it… which may be why I was surprised by the fact that I don't find it objectionable. Having said that, I've been listening to the Dolby Atmos mix - I might feel differently about the stereo mix… but given the fact that both these albums were mixed in both formats, it's probably wise to state which mix someone is finding fault with (or alternately, finding to have particular merit!)
In general, I've been finding Giles Martin's remasters revelatory, and at the end of the day, I think he's helping the Beatles be accessible to a new generation of listener who would find muddy mono mixes that were tailored for AM car radios and those slapdash stereo mixes with vocals in one speaker and instruments in the other to be jarring - if not unlistenable.
It’s official: I am the walrus totally destroyed. Not by AI but by sheer incompetence.
I wasn't put off immediately, but then when it was supposed to fill out, the parts that used to add interest were gone... i couldn't even bring myself the listen to the rest. I'm glad I had the original LP to grow up with!
This points out the perils of remixing or reassembling the song after having everything surgically separated by new technology. Giles had remixed walrus for the Blu Ray release of MMT ten years ago and that sounded fantastic. Now having each sound separated introduces the possibility of messing it up as this one is.
I actually like the remix of Walrus, despite being old enough to have bought the original EP. I particularly like the way you can now hear Ringo’s drumming, instead of just the snare, and the radio feed at the end.
Will I therefore buy the new red and blue albums? No of course not!
I would agree. This 2023 has a clearer treble sound and in addition the strings/horns are brought up abit and are more pronounced. The radio freqences and other singing of background gibberish is more clear as well. This remix took me about 4-5 listens to get into it but I enjoy it. I will stick to my original 1973 pressings and the 1994 CD reissues.
Agreed on the love for this new mix; Ringo’s drumming being the key to my admiration. I think “I Am the Walrus” has always been thee track in the canon with the most problematic production. The classic lives on!
Despite its undeniable uniqueness and clever wordplay, I've never considered Walrus a favorite. I've always though it was a better PRODUCTION than it is an actual SONG. As for the 2023 remix......it's interesting. Great video once again.
6:06 KING LEAR is not ALLUDED to-that’s a BBC transmission of the play woven randomly into the song in the manner of Karlheinz Stockhausen and John Cage.
A bbc transmission of King Lear
Think the mix is ok for what it is. Maybe something that sounds more like a live version. Does sound a bit like a version I saw with the Beatles walrus video. But the 2023 doesn't fit the spirit of the Magical Mystery Tour album like the original. Dream like or trippy state as in Blue Jay Way or Flying. Think a great thing about the Beatles mid to late was that their album songs seemed to connect with each other. Giving the whole album a feel rather than just a bunch of tunes.
lennon said let them figure this out after recording i am the walrus
It's a masterpiece!!!
I don’t understand what they’ve done with the blue album. Firstly, the new tech could have been used on some of the 2015 remixes in there. I agree Walrus is a bit disappointing but not awful. The red album was always going to be the winner and is absolutely superb. I think they over reverb George’s solo on saw her standing there and there’s an awful guitar sound on can’t buy me love. Bongos on A Hard Days Night. What you have to conclude is that the songs are brilliant and the life the performances just great.
I don't have many issues with this version. The strings in the end seem to disappear in the mix. Giles Martin emphasized the avalanche of noise in the end which is imho very close to what John had in mind. I really like that the mock stereo in the middle is now gone.
Really?? I miss the mock stereo
@@jessleekrackn444
It was a pain in my ears. Really.
Lennon = Genius
I like the original mix of Walrus better. It just sounds fuller to me. I also don't like what they did to a Day In The Life. To my horror they removed the Mal Evans 1-2-3-4 count after "I'd love to turn you on" leading into the crescendo at the end. I always loved being able to listen closely to hear that. The fadeout of Hey Jude is really lousy.
I guess I'd be considered a "purist", but I feel remixes/remasters of such classic music should try to honour the sonic "flavor" of the original and just strive to clean up and sharpen the parts, but not change the overall character of the mix. If someone wants to make more radical changes, offer it as an alternative mix. But remember, this release is supposed to be "the" Red and Blue albums, not a new interpretation.
Ooh a Miles Davis shirt. You must be 'switched on' dude. Obviously appreciating the finer things of life. Your grand kids must be proud.
What's the problem. Didn't Lennon (in)famously say to George Martin that he would have re-recorded all of the Beatle recordings.
As for the 2023 reissues of the Red and Blue, buying and playing them bring backs memories when I purchased them on vinyl as a teenage from money I earned doing a summer job. Heck I feel like I am 15 years old living in 1973 again. :)
Enjoy revisiting the wonderful music (more than the OPEC crisis), my Beatles loving friend!
There should be no attempt to soften the mix. The raw power of the track is diminished. Less is More!!!
Having heard this new 2023 version several times now, i find myself actually preffering it to the original. I think it's in keeping with the psychedelic era it sprung from & most certainly not been ruined as some are suggesting. The only track from the red & blue albums i was disappointed by was,"She loves You." But as i understand,Giles Martin was hindered by not having the original master tapes to work with. This is due to EMI somehow binning/erasing it in the 60s.
The last 45 seconds of the new version is a totally different song. A jarring and unnecessary change.
I totally agree, I'm stuck in my head with the way the original mixes with the radio and fades so beautifully. Sit you down father, rest you!
They made a disaster! We lost the amazing dynamic of the strings that go very high at the end trying to reach the infinite... all this beauty has been wiped out with this orrible remix!
I’ve long said that “Walrus” is the only song I know that actually gets better as it fades out. The new remix completely wrecks that. It’s appalling.
Yes, I recently listened to it, and it seems there is no longer the rule of honouring the original intention when remixing/remastering but somehow having to make it "modern" and "current". I never listen to the Giles Martin version of the White Album, but to the 2009 remaster. There was something about the mix of the original album, it had kind of a harsh high end, which actually added to the uniqueness of the album. It might be argued from a purely sonic viewpoint that one should remix it to bring out the bass, etc, but I find it actually changes the feel of the tunes. I found the edginess of some of the songs (Happiness is a Warm Gun) was lost. It is a record of a certain point in time and the associated attitudes of the Beatles in 1968. Why does it have to be "modernized" to satisfy today's listeners. Sure, remix/remaster to clean things up a bit and optimize what is there, but don't change it to something else.
@@errollzastre7380You speak truth and wisdom, kind Sir.
I Am The Walrus is a surrealistic masterpiece. The free
association lyrics are skilfully linked to the melody-along with the force of the music and the overall
arrangement-it conjures up powerful isolated images for no
logical reason. It really is like tripping.
Yoko, Olivia, Paul, Ringo...didn't know nothing about this change?
Having just listened to the 2023 remix and the original version I much prefer the latter. I found the new mix tepid and the balances inappropriate. If the BBC didn't like the knickers reference its probably just as well that Paul (I think) howling "This shit's getting really weird" (at one minute and fifty six seconds) was discretely muffled.
Honestly, there are so many mixes and personal opinions of those mixes that cancel out the other, I am leery about exploring any new recordings outside of the old CDs I already own. I admit, I truly enjoyed the remix of Yellow Submarine so I haven't given up yet.
There seems to be a bandwagon forming on You Tube with regard to I am the Walrus. Most don’t like what has been done to the track. Personally, it’s an improvement, as Oscar Wilde said , Comparisons are Odious. If you like another version, fine, no problem, but considering you have been listening to other “versions”for decades, and this one for days, let’s take a breath and see what you think when you have listened to the new version a thousand times.
How I despise albums or songs that have been "produced" or "corrected" to be mistake or warts free product. These little mishaps are what our brains hook into and help us relate to both the music and the artist. Perfection is boring to my ears. "Be gone" I say, "be gone" and do not darken my doorstep again.🙉
Walrus '23 sounds great. People act as if the other versions don't exist anymore.
You’re right, but it’s just unfortunate that this will be the version that the newer generations will probably be introduced to
@@barrytrotterisweird Newer generations will also find their way to the different versions. You sound like a grumpy old man, sir!
The new generations does not have the speakers and a turn table we grew up with. They will listen to it on the phone or headset. That's a sad fact by itself. @@barrytrotterisweird
@@novastorm Maybe some among the newer generations will even purchase and listen to the new mixes in hi-res 24-bit 96kHz on their headphones.
In the meantime, this generation of new Beatles fans, can call a song, and an album release, their own. The last generation perhaps. @@tommyavlastenok7960
The new mix is closer to the original mono mix than previous stereo mix was.
I prefer the surround mix on the MMT bluray/DVD. I got all the super deluxe box sets, and frankly I haven't listen to the stereo remixes until I listened to the blue album remix. I always play the lossless dts 5.1 blurays. I found the 2018 stereo remix of Glass Onion jarring, and very different than the surround mix. Haven't listened to the stereo remix of All Things Must Pass yet, but the surround mix is absolutely incredible. With the exeption of Old Brown Shoe, and Now and Then, I already have surround mixes of everything on the Blue Album. This will sit on my shelf with my 1973, and 1978 color vinyl versions, and the two prior CD releases mostly unplayed. Definitely have always prefered the original 13 UK albums' sequencing. Paid $200 for the new color vinyl, and CD sets, probably will only listen to the blue album once a year, at most. The red album is another story, despite already having the surround mixes to over half the songs, I absolutely love it! Listened to it four times since Friday. Like all previous releases of the red and blue albums , so far the blue is outselling the red by a substantial margin. Never quite understood that!
It doesn’t bother me one bit. I get the challenges. If I want to hear the original, I have 100’s of different sources to listen to.
The fact that JL, on more than one occasion, said IATW was his favourite Beatles song of his own is enough for me to say Giles went too far here. It should have been a stereo mix to match the mono (with the adt vocal and drums dropping out here and there). The original stereo has a dry vocal and swiches to fake stereo from the mono halfway through which isn't too good. The 2009 remaster switches to real mono halfway through and is somehow worse!
Anthology dvd has a good full remix as does Love but on both occasions the beginning and end are obscured.
I made my own stereo mix years ago using stems, the stereo stings from Love, the King Lear dialogue and a tiny bit of the mono at the end. Still my go to mix.
Vast majority of remixes and remasters are simply marketing ploys. Dupes line up to buy based on same.
Haven't invested in either-no need to now in hearing the review
Excellent disection Barry as to the characters an all-an the height of the trippy fantastic
Tribute to Syd Barrett-though many other influences The Beatles credited-Dylan,Donovan etc-Syd paved the way with the childhood whimsy an obscure narrative which fitted so well into the Pysecedelic era
'I am The Walrus' is an excellent narrative of nonsensical nonsense backed by a magical instrumental mix
I reckon though,an Lennon did respect Syd,might have taken some influence from his 'Everffervecing Elephant'
Compare the tracks.. 🤔
That's fair enough mate, go forward another century people will be going crazy over the original recordings. I do agree with your run down of the walrus completely and i've been listening to Miles Davis for many a year.
2023 Walrus sucks balls. No two ways about it. However, I wouldn't doubt if Giles and Sam were left to their own devices instead of having it to run it by the bureaucracy of Fab Camp, we'd get more of a Wilson/Jaksyzk sounding touch to the catalog instead of the now-usual mixed bag. The only full stereo Walrus out there is on the Anthology DVD...which is not available in any other format. Yeah, Love has one also, but the end gets overshadowed by the fading in of girls screaming during their Beatlemania phase.
Well, this remix of 'I Am The Walrus' isn't what I expected, nor is it what I would have wanted. But, I think I understand why it is why it is, and I accept it. There's clearly a nod to the original stereo mix and what was really a deficiency, namely the switch from true stereo to simulated stereo at the 'English garden' point, due the the radio tuning effects being locked into the mono version. But while trying to be (somewhat) faithful to the flavour of that (unfortunate) characteristic, it has also tried to draw out more of the radio tuning feature than might have been possible originally due to the circumstances under which it was mixed in. Whatever choices could have made for this remix, there would always have been elements that some would consider unsatisfactory. Personally, I would have preferred it to be closer to the overall sound of the original mono version (but presented in stereo), but what looks like a decision to use the original stereo version as the model, while partially accepting its flaws and partially going beyond them, seems to have opened the door to what we've got.
I haven't heard the remix, but you're interesting as hell.