His learning skills definitely above super goku but his adaptability?that’s literally screams dbs gokus name,I don’t see what gt goku has done to surpass canon gokus adaptation.
@@DanielLopez-dv4uw literally everything, he has lived alot more than dbs goku so ofc je has greater adaptability by his skilled and techniques. Also ssj5 makes goku gradually adapt to his opponent and get stronger sort of like broly but not that exaggerated extent.
@@awesomeguy641 not true, Ssj5 from Toyble is featless and and minimim at ssjb lvl, on the other hand Ssj5 goku can use the full power version of ssj5 which is way stronger than regular ssj5.
@@LavaCreeperPeople false, goku with full power ssj5 + the energy of gohan ssj5, vegeta ssj5, trunks ssj3, videl and goten ssj2 already surpasses ultra instinct omen and Jiren full power but its still under mastered Ui goku from current super.
I would say ssj5 is way stronger than u scale him...either way good scale but manga did absorb God ki into his base as dende manga said Goku has divine so he could not heal him....but still outcome doesn't change ssj5 will win
AF goku is literally brain-dead op...He would solo every1 in DBS except maybe Angels...Ya all realise Being superior to SJ4 limit breaker in Base. And then on top of that being Able to stack all SJ forms up to Sj4 AGAIN and on top of it U can add SJ5 as well.... Dude would literally bichslap berus... Don't bring AF goku in to this and keep it to GT goku....AF Goku by the end of the stories...u get SJ10 ans dude is Outerversal/Boundless at that point....
@@righteousone5119as someone who’s read af I think he lowballed ssj 5 massively because in db power boosts correlate with speed boosts so you’d have to boost all the multipliers onto the goku who was already faster than metal cooler who was faster than instant transmission plus for strength you can argue that since author statements say broly is the strongest character in z that up scaling the z version of db af goku and dbs goku would be different strength because dbs would be scaled off of buu who is arguably weaker than broly
Well DBAF Goku base form is stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta in the shadow dragon arc. Which would make his base form stronger than SSJ God Goku in db super tournament of power.
5:23 *Actually* he does absorb it due to it being stated in the anime comic which is canon to the manga, it states and i quote (btw it's talking about SSJ Blue but it's still important and you'll see why) "a saiyan with the power of a super saiyan god that has gone super saiyan" so it straight up confirms the fact that Goku and Vegeta have the god power in them, on top of this Dende in the moro arc states that healing base Goku will take some times due to his divine ki. So base manga Goku does infact absorbs SSG
💀 describing that blue is super saiyan god going super saiyan proves Base Absorbed god Ki? Where the heck did you get that? It's power of a god going ssj. Not power Absorbed into base. And we all know manga goku has access to god. Bro he didn't absorb it in the manga
@@jerishczainemansit7194not in the manga. And even then, absorbing the power means they can just tap into it at will, it never meant they had that strength in their base form. People love misconstruing that but that's not what they meant at all
When you think about it hes lowballing everything too, down to the SS4 multiplier, down to the statement that "SS4 Gogeta is dozens of times stronger *than a normal SS4* " which could be interpreted as the fusion alone makes the SS4 transformation itself stronger not even counting Gogeta
ok so i don't understand why people think that Goku's base isn't amped to ssg level in the manga. Goku's base didn't absorb the god essence from bog, but that doesn't mean his base didn't reach that level of power in the manga. if your read the res F part of the manga, goku is training whis and whis sees a glimpse of god behind of base Goku, implying that Goku has ssg power in his base form. on top of that, lets use the anime for example, vegeta didn't need the ritual like Goku to reach Goku's base level, so why wouldn't that apply to go in the manga since goku trained whis aswell, so surely gokus base would just at least even out to the anime
@@LavaCreeperPeople no he doesn't, Dragonball heroes already laid this debate to rest, they showed that ss4 is so powerful that it literally took everything mui Goku had in order to barely and I mean barely defeat ss4 xeno Goku, and CC Goku was so exhausted that he couldn't even stand up and literally collapsed the second the battle ended, sorry but ss5 Goku would win everytime and no this is not negotiable, this is fact
@@Alexander-Lionheart_1881 lol, that's not even canon, man, let alone to GT, let alone the right version of Goku. The reason why it's "powerful" is because those versions of Goku are already crazily strong to start with, and they are using limit break versions, not the normal ssj4. even if they were using the normal ssj4, why couldnt GT SSJ4 goku beat omega shenron who wasn't even universal. yeah, it's a fact that the Dragonball Heroes cast are highly powerful, but the GT cast are different and nowhere near this let alone Super Manga, and Super Anime. Super Anime Goku was shown to negate beerus's universe destroying attack in ssj god back in the BoG saga. Super Manga Goku is allegedly weaker than Anime Super Goku. GT cast are strong but they're not universal
@@LavaCreeperPeople lol not canon? Really? Any Dragonball series made by toei is automatically considered canon, they're just alternate timelines, Dragonball is made up of alternate timelines and always has been, even Geekdom has said this multiple times on his channel, and CC Goku and xeno Goku are just stand ins for super Goku and GT Goku, and you saying GT Goku is weaker literally makes no sense and isn't valid in any way, GT Goku had just trained for FIVE YEARS STRAIGHT at the beginning of GT, GT Goku was so powerful that while in his base form he overpowered and defeated both Gohan and Goten, and this is GT Gohan who was five years older than end of z Gohan and he was much more powerful and so was Goten, and Goku defeated them both using one arm each, super Goku on the other hand had to use ssblue with kaio-ken just to defeat post Buu saga Gohan, lol dude ss5 Goku is the most powerful, again these are not my personal opinions they're facts, just accept it dude and move on
SSJ4 is not x4000. Baby Vegeta did not have access to SSJ3, and his golden ape form against SSJ4 Goku were nearly evenly matched, save for the fact Goku was a smaller target with his power more condensed and compressed in his half-human form.
I think on an interview with the late toriyama he mention that he was amaze by the super saiyan 5 but said that he cannot make it to cannon because it is so overpowered
It is shown that the base fusion is stonger than the compones max power so base gogeta is already stronger than ss4 Goku. Dude was moving omega with his eyes I dont get how people say he is only dozens of times stronger than goku
I'd be more comfortable if he went with base GT Gogeta being dozens of times stronger than SSJ4 Goku. Fusions when at full power are ASTRONOMICALLY stronger than either fusee at full power.
You know that Goku in the Goku black saga is far weaker then the Goku in the Top saga. How you said the gains for dbs manga Goku kinda lowballs him to a degree, hear me out. Goku vs Beerus, yes in manga he didn’t obsorb ssjg
Yeah. But with the power training Amps giving no direct increase, it's speculation by that point. Also I did show the scaling for end of top goku having blue surpass ultimate gohan tier anyways so. He is stronger in the vid
@@okaradragonicsaiyan dyspo prioritised his speed as he literally has form that only increases his speed nothing else, but as I’m talking about Goku most of his forms besides grade 3 have been shown to increase in power and speed.
@@Didiworldbingchilling. dude the argument is for Base dyspo. It's the same for any speed character in dragon ball. Speed =/= strength. However your speed increases with your power level, similar to strength. But mui increases speed further than it increases strength
@@okaradragonicsaiyan I’m aware of that it’s just that Jiren with his absolute power was able to compete with MUI even with his speed and he wasn’t even that much stronger so Super Saiyan 5 Goku in this scenario who is way stronger I just don’t believe MUI would amp that speed enough.
You cant really use movie feats to scale GT. Cameos are not enough to say it's the same continuity. You cant prove its the same cooler. Gt goku had 15 years to create the dragon fist. Vegeta watched the fusion dance several times, hes capable of copying techniques just like anyone else. This is a really weird misconception that GT fans like to use in order to upscale the verse
@@okaradragonicsaiyanwhere is that said it's the same movies? AF continues GT which continues the anime. The movies can't fit into those unless some changes were made to them. Meaning not the same story and not the same feats
@@okaradragonicsaiyanYeah no the movies and main story are just too different. Even if it's implied to be the same timeline, it's just not. They must have made changes to them in order to make it fit so using the unchanged versions to scale Goku doesn't work.
@@ojpickle5923 :/ bruh. im talking about the actual dude in the video, not gt. Movies are literally directly canon to af, not going with gt in this vid
I think if daima implemented ss4. With all of the unique forms brought to us in super I think they could implementets say, ultra ego or ultra instinct into ss4 and have their own unique ss5 forms.
af goku solos because af goku alot stronger then super gokus base gt goku in base easily soloed frieza and cell at the same time and af goku trained in the dragon realm which is very powerfull realm and xicor is stronger then super goku
I think gt goku could potentially learn god ki into himself he has some nasty adaptation and learning skills than canon goku
His learning skills definitely above super goku but his adaptability?that’s literally screams dbs gokus name,I don’t see what gt goku has done to surpass canon gokus adaptation.
@@DanielLopez-dv4uwssj4
@@DanielLopez-dv4uwgt goku has a form where he literally nullifies any attack that comes at him
@@freshprinceofgettingdisres2089 yeah it only works one time on gt goku and next time if he use same attack ssj4 nullified it
@@DanielLopez-dv4uw literally everything, he has lived alot more than dbs goku so ofc je has greater adaptability by his skilled and techniques. Also ssj5 makes goku gradually adapt to his opponent and get stronger sort of like broly but not that exaggerated extent.
Idk if ssj5 from Toyble could solo Top but goku ssj5 from Youngjijii definelty can.
Jiji version is weaker
Not. even. close.
@@awesomeguy641 not true, Ssj5 from Toyble is featless and and minimim at ssjb lvl, on the other hand Ssj5 goku can use the full power version of ssj5 which is way stronger than regular ssj5.
@@LavaCreeperPeople false, goku with full power ssj5 + the energy of gohan ssj5, vegeta ssj5, trunks ssj3, videl and goten ssj2 already surpasses ultra instinct omen and Jiren full power but its still under mastered Ui goku from current super.
@@BulkierEmu050 what are you talking about, ss5 never appeared in toyables manga so its not SSB level and the original name is called spirit killer
I would say ssj5 is way stronger than u scale him...either way good scale but manga did absorb God ki into his base as dende manga said Goku has divine so he could not heal him....but still outcome doesn't change ssj5 will win
in AF? he didnt absorb god into base. and no that doesnt mean base af goku absorbed god or anything
@@okaradragonicsaiyanI was talking about dbs manga
@@BROKEN_1212 oh. you talked about ssj5 before so i didnt know lol.
@@okaradragonicsaiyan np...
@@BROKEN_1212??😂
I thinnk that ssj5 can deffinetly solo the tournament of power
so cool! SSJ5 Goku is my favorite transformation in all of fiction right next to Gear 5 Luffy XD - Key
Nice vid i love your vids but i traveled right now so my net isnt good its hard to watch them:(
AF Goku can potentially learn god ki from Shenron or something like Wishes from Shenron
Hey
AF goku is literally brain-dead op...He would solo every1 in DBS except maybe Angels...Ya all realise Being superior to SJ4 limit breaker in Base. And then on top of that being Able to stack all SJ forms up to Sj4 AGAIN and on top of it U can add SJ5 as well.... Dude would literally bichslap berus... Don't bring AF goku in to this and keep it to GT goku....AF Goku by the end of the stories...u get SJ10 ans dude is Outerversal/Boundless at that point....
@@jonikalemasi3062 this is toyables version of AF Goku, not AF stories Goku …
Goku AF Forever 🐺⛈🌩🌩🔥🔥⚡⚡, "GOKU AF " is the definition of Amazingness , Courage , Hope and Infinite power 💥
80 v 1? AF Goku stomps if he uses Full Power 4 or 5 off bat
what about ssj5 goku vs current mange goku so add stuff like moro and granolah
If T.O.P UI Goku was relative to SSJ5 Goku, Moro Arc UI Goku slaps
@@righteousone5119 yeah good point
@@righteousone5119as someone who’s read af I think he lowballed ssj 5 massively because in db power boosts correlate with speed boosts so you’d have to boost all the multipliers onto the goku who was already faster than metal cooler who was faster than instant transmission plus for strength you can argue that since author statements say broly is the strongest character in z that up scaling the z version of db af goku and dbs goku would be different strength because dbs would be scaled off of buu who is arguably weaker than broly
manga one shots in super saiyan god
the again gt ssj4 goku can mollywhop mui goku
GOLD SSJ6 GOKU
Well DBAF Goku base form is stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta in the shadow dragon arc. Which would make his base form stronger than SSJ God Goku in db super tournament of power.
5:23 *Actually* he does absorb it due to it being stated in the anime comic which is canon to the manga, it states and i quote (btw it's talking about SSJ Blue but it's still important and you'll see why) "a saiyan with the power of a super saiyan god that has gone super saiyan" so it straight up confirms the fact that Goku and Vegeta have the god power in them, on top of this Dende in the moro arc states that healing base Goku will take some times due to his divine ki. So base manga Goku does infact absorbs SSG
💀 describing that blue is super saiyan god going super saiyan proves Base Absorbed god Ki?
Where the heck did you get that? It's power of a god going ssj. Not power Absorbed into base. And we all know manga goku has access to god. Bro he didn't absorb it in the manga
@@okaradragonicsaiyanhe did absorb god ki
@@jerishczainemansit7194not in the manga. And even then, absorbing the power means they can just tap into it at will, it never meant they had that strength in their base form. People love misconstruing that but that's not what they meant at all
Goku is stronge but can he beat kakarot ?
When you think about it hes lowballing everything too, down to the SS4 multiplier, down to the statement that "SS4 Gogeta is dozens of times stronger *than a normal SS4* " which could be interpreted as the fusion alone makes the SS4 transformation itself stronger not even counting Gogeta
Imagine AF Goku SSJ5 & Super Goku Ultra Instinct fuse. That will be a monster of a fusion.
ok so i don't understand why people think that Goku's base isn't amped to ssg level in the manga. Goku's base didn't absorb the god essence from bog, but that doesn't mean his base didn't reach that level of power in the manga. if your read the res F part of the manga, goku is training whis and whis sees a glimpse of god behind of base Goku, implying that Goku has ssg power in his base form. on top of that, lets use the anime for example, vegeta didn't need the ritual like Goku to reach Goku's base level, so why wouldn't that apply to go in the manga since goku trained whis aswell, so surely gokus base would just at least even out to the anime
What if super saiyan 5 is Super saiyan 4 combine with ultra instic?
What if it was the anime super goku
He would still lose
anime super goku wins, not even a fair fight
@@LavaCreeperPeople no he doesn't, Dragonball heroes already laid this debate to rest, they showed that ss4 is so powerful that it literally took everything mui Goku had in order to barely and I mean barely defeat ss4 xeno Goku, and CC Goku was so exhausted that he couldn't even stand up and literally collapsed the second the battle ended, sorry but ss5 Goku would win everytime and no this is not negotiable, this is fact
@@Alexander-Lionheart_1881
lol, that's not even canon, man, let alone to GT, let alone the right version of Goku. The reason why it's "powerful" is because those versions of Goku are already crazily strong to start with, and they are using limit break versions, not the normal ssj4. even if they were using the normal ssj4, why couldnt GT SSJ4 goku beat omega shenron who wasn't even universal. yeah, it's a fact that the Dragonball Heroes cast are highly powerful, but the GT cast are different and nowhere near this let alone Super Manga, and Super Anime. Super Anime Goku was shown to negate beerus's universe destroying attack in ssj god back in the BoG saga. Super Manga Goku is allegedly weaker than Anime Super Goku. GT cast are strong but they're not universal
@@LavaCreeperPeople lol not canon? Really? Any Dragonball series made by toei is automatically considered canon, they're just alternate timelines, Dragonball is made up of alternate timelines and always has been, even Geekdom has said this multiple times on his channel, and CC Goku and xeno Goku are just stand ins for super Goku and GT Goku, and you saying GT Goku is weaker literally makes no sense and isn't valid in any way, GT Goku had just trained for FIVE YEARS STRAIGHT at the beginning of GT, GT Goku was so powerful that while in his base form he overpowered and defeated both Gohan and Goten, and this is GT Gohan who was five years older than end of z Gohan and he was much more powerful and so was Goten, and Goku defeated them both using one arm each, super Goku on the other hand had to use ssblue with kaio-ken just to defeat post Buu saga Gohan, lol dude ss5 Goku is the most powerful, again these are not my personal opinions they're facts, just accept it dude and move on
AF Goku beats Omega Shenron in base; which is equal to SS4 Gogeta. Now have him go SS5? Yeah there’s no contest, all of Super is destroyed no sweat
If we used Anime Goku and Anime ToP SSJ5 would lose horribly even though MUI in the Anime has major weaknesses
SSJ4 is not x4000. Baby Vegeta did not have access to SSJ3, and his golden ape form against SSJ4 Goku were nearly evenly matched, save for the fact Goku was a smaller target with his power more condensed and compressed in his half-human form.
If Gt goku got a boost of god ki in he’s base then jfc it’s over for ToP
Ssj5 goku with kaioken he will just curve stomp the tournament of pawer.
super saiyan 5 has a 50% chance of soloing the Entire tournament
I think on an interview with the late toriyama he mention that he was amaze by the super saiyan 5 but said that he cannot make it to cannon because it is so overpowered
Link to the interview?
SSJ5 > Ultra Instinct.
It is shown that the base fusion is stonger than the compones max power so base gogeta is already stronger than ss4 Goku. Dude was moving omega with his eyes I dont get how people say he is only dozens of times stronger than goku
I'd be more comfortable if he went with base GT Gogeta being dozens of times stronger than SSJ4 Goku. Fusions when at full power are ASTRONOMICALLY stronger than either fusee at full power.
GOLD SSJ6 GOKU
That ssj4 mystic
So, can a fictional, fictional character beat the canonical version of that fictional, fictional character?
You know that Goku in the Goku black saga is far weaker then the Goku in the Top saga.
How you said the gains for dbs manga Goku kinda lowballs him to a degree, hear me out. Goku vs Beerus, yes in manga he didn’t obsorb ssjg
But he grew and surpassed himself every saga. How you put it made the assumption he didn’t grow in his base power at all through dbs
Yeah. But with the power training Amps giving no direct increase, it's speculation by that point. Also I did show the scaling for end of top goku having blue surpass ultimate gohan tier anyways so. He is stronger in the vid
I thought power was equivalent to speed in Dragon Ball so shouldn’t Ssj5 Goku beat Mui Goku with mid to low difficulty
If blue goku was far more powerful than dyspo, why was dyspo still faster?
@@okaradragonicsaiyan dyspo prioritised his speed as he literally has form that only increases his speed nothing else, but as I’m talking about Goku most of his forms besides grade 3 have been shown to increase in power and speed.
@@Didiworldbingchilling. dude the argument is for Base dyspo. It's the same for any speed character in dragon ball. Speed =/= strength. However your speed increases with your power level, similar to strength. But mui increases speed further than it increases strength
@@okaradragonicsaiyan I’m aware of that it’s just that Jiren with his absolute power was able to compete with MUI even with his speed and he wasn’t even that much stronger so Super Saiyan 5 Goku in this scenario who is way stronger I just don’t believe MUI would amp that speed enough.
You cant really use movie feats to scale GT. Cameos are not enough to say it's the same continuity. You cant prove its the same cooler. Gt goku had 15 years to create the dragon fist. Vegeta watched the fusion dance several times, hes capable of copying techniques just like anyone else. This is a really weird misconception that GT fans like to use in order to upscale the verse
You do realise im using AF Goku, where the movies are canon to, right?
@@okaradragonicsaiyanwhere is that said it's the same movies? AF continues GT which continues the anime. The movies can't fit into those unless some changes were made to them. Meaning not the same story and not the same feats
@@ojpickle5923 ik its weird but thats the canon of AF
@@okaradragonicsaiyanYeah no the movies and main story are just too different. Even if it's implied to be the same timeline, it's just not. They must have made changes to them in order to make it fit so using the unchanged versions to scale Goku doesn't work.
@@ojpickle5923 :/ bruh. im talking about the actual dude in the video, not gt. Movies are literally directly canon to af, not going with gt in this vid
Uh toyotoro did not make the ssj5 af image
very true. but what is the question of the video?
I think if daima implemented ss4. With all of the unique forms brought to us in super I think they could implementets say, ultra ego or ultra instinct into ss4 and have their own unique ss5 forms.
af goku solos because af goku alot stronger then super gokus base gt goku in base easily soloed frieza and cell at the same time and af goku trained in the dragon realm which is very powerfull realm and xicor is stronger then super goku
plus gt goku would probbaly unlock super saiyan 6 fighting all those people
This isn't accounting for hypothetical situations.
Not. even. close.
bro wtf you on af stories solos
@@ogsavage9032 Nope
@@LavaCreeperPeople fuck you mean nope. af stories scaling is way above super
@@LavaCreeperPeoplelol dude I know this makes you butthurt, but ss5 wins, get over it
@@LavaCreeperPeople🤡🤡🤡
ssj4 gogeta could cough and wipe out the T.O.P.
ssj4 goku could do that as well
@@LukeNightwalker Nah, SSJ4 Goku would just barely beat MUI Goku
@@fulsted7167 i meant by ssj4 goku in the shadow dragons arc would definitely beat mui goku (top)
funny joke that GT fans are coming up with nowadays, lol
@@LavaCreeperPeople Gt Goku is actually alot stronger than I previously thougt. He solos super in base
I could barely hear you so why I disliked the video....
ok
If ui goku and vegeta fuse af goku loses
No
@@BROKEN_1212 ssj5 goku is close to ui in strength so a fusion would demolish
@@shirosatsuma4946 no it's far greater than ui....
@@BROKEN_1212 nah
@@shirosatsuma4946this video didn't take into account that ssj5 speed would also be massively buffed (start scaling from cooler). Ssj5 got lowballed
ssj5 Goku in the manga defeated Beerus, full power he had to hakai him in order to win, and he was able to fight with Whis, at ssj5.
SSJ5 from Manga will Solo the Tournament of Power.
AF Story SSJ5 will God Stomp Solo all Dragon Ball Heroe.
Naw Super Saiyan 5 would get destroyed
No he won't