Michael Jordan & Joe Dumars rivalry
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- A real competitive duel that basically spanned both Jordan’s & Dumar’s careers. From the days when the Bad Boys were beating up Jordan as a “Jordan Rule “ , & two titles in three appearances, to when Jordan was leading the Bulls to Back to back three peats. Both within the same Division as well made for even more already competitive & physical games. So many players, stories, and legacies were made through their time playing one another with their respective teams. Both played vital parts in each others development as clearly shown here.
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We DON'T PUT ENOUGH RESPECT on THIS MAN'S NAME!!! When the GOAT SAYS YOU'RE HIS TOUGHEST OPPONENT, YOU DESERVE SOME RESPECT!!!
Oh shut the fuck up with your general blanket comment
That was my era, I agree that MJ was the most gifted player I ever saw but there were a few guys that gave as well as they got. Joe Dumars, Alvin Robertson, and pre injuries Ron Harper use to go at Mike.
Speaking facts ! Ron Harper was a problem when healthy with the Cavs & clippers. A reason why Mike recruited him for the second three Peat
@@nbayore please don't speak facts it scares me.
Mike was on record stating Jason Richardson was his toughest match up. Guys out West don’t get respect, lol.
@@clu4u real talk 💯 I forgot about j rich, him and Mike Finley fire players.
Wilkins has highest average against MJ. Domique would score 30 plus almost every time too.
Dumars was a beast. Very underrated player.
One of my favorite shooting guards of all time
They don’t care about defense since 2000s.
MJ respected joe D because dumars played him hard but clean
Joe Dumars was one of my favorite players of all time. He played the game on both ends something that today's player don't understand.
there are plenty of players on every single team that play on both ends with equal intensity lol
@@PCGamer13HD Dude these brothas played in all 82 games plus the playoffs. 5 people in the entire league played played in all 82 games. They played in every game and played on both ends.
Word.. You can say that AGAIN & AGAIN.. The so-called modern NBA is totally devoid of defense; which makes it totally boring and extremely PREDICTABLE to watch.. It's sad that there are so few current players in the NBA who actually make a legitimate effort to play defense.. And look at THE MONEY these guys make!! That in itself is a MORAL CRIME.. I don't watch much basketball anymore.. (High School, college, NBA, overseas leagues, etc..) I'm totally spoiled from growing up during the days of REAL OLD SCHOOL BASKETBALL..
@@williamevans7726 Facts big fella
One of the few reasons why I have mad respect for the bad boy Pistons
Lakers, Celtics, Pistons, Bulls - what a time to be a BBall fan!
Also Knicks and Pacers
Joe Dumars and John Salley were the only Pistons who shook hands with MJ and the Bulls after the Pistons got obliterateded in 1991. Real professionals!
Probably why John played for the Bulls during the end of his career with Mj
MJ trashed them in media prior to game 4; saying that the two-time defending champs were "bad for basketball." Why would anybody in their right mind want to shake hands with him? Psssh.
@@giantkiller56 because it's true? the pistons played dirty as fuck if you actually watch them. its not physical basketball, they want to injure the shit out of their enemies and pretends like its just physical. isiah thomas and bill laimbeer are shits and were never good for the game.
@giantkiller56 Thanks. I have been a Pistons fan since 1981. That rivalry was past being cordial and respectful. MJ and Isiah Thomas still don't even speak, even if standing next to one another. Real animosity. Same with Bird and the Celtics. We literally hated them, and visa versa.
@@calburner4635 the way Pusstons hacked The Bulls, the animus was appropriate
Give the Pistons their due. They were 3-1 against the Bulls in playoff series and won back-to-back championships during that time. They were easily one of the greatest teams in NBA history.
They were dogs. One of my favorite teams , check out my other video of how the pistons haunted the Bulls during that 3-1 stint you’re talking about.
Detroit bad Boys were my favorite team
It's easy to win when you're allowed to play hockey on a basketball court. And they're not in the top ten. They were successful for TWO years.
@@chrisaultman1 Wow you're a Hater ....How the hell were they only successful for only 2 YEAR'S? shit they made the playoffs damn near every year in the 80s .....2 years? GTFOH...🤣
@@chrisaultman1 You like the new sissy league they call the NBA huh? Where you can't really play defense I guess
Just to see those amazing 2 way players going against each other must’ve been amazing
Michael Jeffrey Jordan best to ever do it !!! Joe Dumars was and still such an underrated but GREAT player.
2nd best. How many times must I remind you? When MJ wins 5 plus titles in a row let me know
I hated the Pistons, but respected the hell out of Joe Dumars.
BOTTOM LINE!!!
A big snub for the 75 greatest players in NBA history.
Why hate the Pistons though? 🤣
Dumars was the ONLY piston i respected
@@genesanders74 The Hate is Real....smdh...🤣🤷♀️
Dumars was very good player , he played great with Issiah helping the Pistons to win two championships with Chuck daily Dumars was one of the gõats with Isiah Thomas on the Pistons with Rodman Lambeir, Mark Aguire, and Vinnie and Salley.
A reason they made three straight final appearances
Real ball 🏀🏀🏀🏀
Mike 💗💗😀💗
What an era
Joe Dumars was the class act of the Pistons. Very talented, respectful, he didn’t try to outright maim you like Laimbeer and Mahorn did, he just put on his hardhat and went to work.
He was very worthy of his Hall of Fame ring.
1,000th like! Salute to JD and MJ for giving us a great rivalry. 🐐’s!
Appreciate you and those players for producing what they have! RUclips has been taking down my videos as of late but seeing this comment just made me want to continue putting videos out there for people to enjoy
You just don't find that type of rivalry nowadays. Social media, I feel, destroyed that nostalgia that we see in this vid.
Now players are @'ing themselves, patting themselves on the back and looking to form the next superteam over Twitter or InstaG.
There was just something so pure, unfiltered and raw about the 80's/90's NBA that today's game cannot come close to touching. It'll never be the same.
Isiah Thomas n Dumas are both the MJ n Pippen of Detroit Pistons of the 90s NBA. But Chicago were too good to be stopped.
They stopped them, the NBA helped Jordan win but Detroit stopped them.
@@stickmanbw that 91 season was Chicago whipping that piston ass‼️😂
@@StoneGone the NBA helped them do it.
@@stickmanbw no they didn’t stop lying
@@mannyneva1760 I'm not lying just telling truth that the media decided to either not tell or rewrote to favor Jordan, Magic, and Bird.
Imagine having to GUARD Michael Jordan lol
In for a long night 😂
Oh yeah … it’s the NBA … there’s a lot of talent around. MJ just flew above the others .. and hovered!
Joe great player and the classiest Detroit Piston. Much respect to Joe Dumar.
Great video
The true NBA raw and physical combat
MIKE = GOAT 🐐
They don't make em like this anymore
Joe Dumars a McNeese legend !!!! 💙💛
loved watching em both though.
Don't see basketball like dis no more..
The REAL NBA 🏀...
Take note of the handshake at the end of this business meeting.
BTW, Mike averaged 29 and change. Then, Isiah Thomas said, and sometimes he would get hot. Mike would go nuts and score 30 or 40+.
Thomas also said it was as if Jordan was treating us like high school kids.☺️
Another class act of the past. Something that doesn't exist at all anymore
No disrespect to this era of the NBA, I love basketball period. But I swear the 80's - 90's was FULL of straight up legends of the game. Their only misfortune is that Jordan was there too. This is from a lifelong Knicks fan.
Maybe not their fault, but today's nba players aren't asked abt their craft anymore.
Joe, Should be in the hall of fame
Joe who????In (2006‼️)Dumars was inducted into the Naismith hall of fame!!
@@djsugebryant281 oh wow. Where have I been 👀
I like how Michael Jordan put it once after scoring on him 61 points in Detroit he's not a good defender he just have a lot of help 😆😆 Michael Jordan's point average against the Pistons in that era was over 30 points per game
Studdd
And the Detroit Pistons from 88' thru 90' beat the Chicago Bulls 14-3 during the regular season and
12-6 in the playoffs. Detroit beat Chicago in three straight playoffs, played in three straight NBA Finals,
and won Back-to-Back NBA Worlds Championships, while Michael Jordan and his 30 points was sitting
on his couch watching the Bad Boys!
@@artmeddaugh6669 that's one thing Isaiah Thomas acknowledge for Michael Jordan he never seen a player being down and getting up so quick next season Michael was challenging them again and took them to seven games magic Johnson Isaiah Thomas Larry Bird they all saw it coming he was getting better and he was not quitting or giving up after that you saw what happened six championships two times three peat six finals MVP 5 regular season MVP 11 scoring titles the only player to score after Chamberlain 3000 points in a season highest scoring average in the season playoffs defensive player of the year only player with Hakeem olajuwon to record 200 steel 100 block shots in a single season what are we talking about here," it is how much u can take and keep moving forward ,that's how winning is done "
@@artmeddaugh6669 And yet they never swept Jordan and the bulls. But the bulls swept the pistons and Isiah and the rest of those pussies had to sit and watch the bulls three peat and as well as Isiah's punk ass had to watch Mike not only win the Olympic medal but every time Isiah walks down Madison Street he sees that statute and knows deep in his heart that there was NOTHING that he could do to stop it from happening. So who really got the last laugh? The so called 14 and 3 with two championships or the man who took Chicago from Isiah , put 6 NBA championships in the bulls trophy case, and an Olympic medal that Isiah still cries about until this very day. I'm still waiting to see Isiah statute in Detroit because I know damn well that he's seen Jordan's statute in CHICAGO.
Great video. Love the Bad Boys!
that is why i like players of the old era because they take pride in themselves. they play hard defense on the best player of the opposing team while they are also the threat of theirs. 2 way players are abundant in the old.. unlike today, full of lazy players who just like to shoot a lot but dont play defense on the other end. competition is real in the old while the new tends to be more friendly and buddy buddy...
Loved Joe D nan!!! Jordan said he was the toughest defender he ever played against…. that says it all!!!!
Sidney Moncreif gotta be 2nd
@@vantablack9535Absolutely 🦌 s🔥🔥🔥
I heard Jordan say Alvin Robertson was the best defensive player he ever played against!!
I see why Mike went bald! That hair line is on great grandpa! Lol 😆
Detroit had a great backcourt.
Say what you like about the "Bad Boy" Pistons, but without them there'd be no Jordan as we know him. Jordan was like a very promising lump of coal when he entered the league. Through his battles with the Bad Boys he emerged a Diamond. Hardened, battle tested and even more determined. Without this new Michael Jordan there'd be no Kobe, no Lebron, no etc.....The league owes a lot to their villian "Bad Boys".
I feel the Bulls were able to get past teams like the Knicks, Heat, and Pacers because of their experience from the Pistons.
Only guy who can guard Jordan
best defender v best attacker never to be seen again
Young Jimmy Butler looks exactly like Jordan at 2:40, lol.
QUIEN FUE? JOE DUMARS. SIN DUDA UN JUGADOR AMATEUR, EN COMPARACIÓN A SU MAJESTAD MJ. LO VÍ JUGAR PARA EL DREAM_TEAM II EN ATLANTA 1996. Y NI CERCA NI SIQUIERA DE IMITAR A MJ Y AL REAL Y ORIGINAL DREAM_TEAM 1992 DE BARCELONA.
I wish they talked about defense in today’s game like they do in this clip. That’s one of the reasons mj is the goat he wanted to beat you on both ends of the court and wanted to be looked at as a defensive player not just an offensive player
He was a very good defensive player the pistons were good the bulls were good but when the money was on the table Jordan ripped the hell out of him and all the rest of them.
Dumars was the only guy that could guard Mike game after game.
Mike cooked Dumars game for game hints the JORDAN RULES were invented
The only Piston I liked.
Back when Defense was part of the game.
"You LIVE for thos moments" shiii
McNeese State.
The only NBA player to beat Jordan more times than Jordan beat him, is Isaiah Thomas.
You forgot Larry Bird.
Isiah had a much better team and coach at the time. The minute they got Phil and Tex Winter as the starting coaches, well, you see how that changed. Give Jordan the same type of talent that Detroit had, Boston had and the Lakers, give him that in the beginning and then the conversation changes dramatically! People keep talking about Jordan losing, he's supposed to lose and learn from it and then apply it. There is no foundation without adversity, it is an ingredient for success!
@@vincespell First off, If Jordan played for the Pistons he'd be the Second Option (BEHIND Isiah). If he played for the Celtics, Jordan would have been the THIRD Option (BEHIND Bird and McHale). If he played with the Lakers, he's the FOURTH Option (BEHIND Kareem, Magic, AND Worthy). Don't EVEN try to get it twisted on the last two teams. They had already won multiple Titles. KC Jones is not gonna tell Bird and McHale to step aside for this scrawny shooting guard. And Pat Riley telling Kareem, Magic, and Worthy to take the back seat for some kid with NIKE-hyped commercials? FORGET IT!
Because isiah and zeke quit once jordan got going
@@columbusohio72 Isaiah is Zeke🤔‼️
Just curious,who,from the bad boys Era, thinks,would blossom,Like mike,if they do that defense,to say,a skinny full speed 7 ft.😉 Coming and try to dunk? I wanna know what bill thinks,first,cause I know Rodman would be following😅
Did they play together in an All Star game?
Yes , some great all star games too during those days.
Joe and Mike showed what real greatness was. LeBron is not the goat.
LeBron would have been Dominique Wilkins, if he had played in the 80's/90's
Joe Dumars was the best defender on Jordan
How tf was He a HORRIBLE Organization President of Operations?!?!?!?!?!?
My Man Du Du was The Poop Poo.
Pistons had two starting point guards
The damage MJ did to these player's reputation
.... lol you mean the fact that they all had to retire and move on from the game before mj ever seen a conference finals? Sure...
They damaged their own reputations, it's documented on how they played the game.
Jordan + dumars = kawhi leonard
NBA 2k Detroit got good defense players on the game that's weird I then play guy that stop you from being point guard
There was no rivalry, MJ just dominated him regardless what media described him as a Jordan stopper.
Yet Joe’s team is the only one that sent Jordan and the Bulls home from the playoffs not one, not two but THREE times in a row. There was most definitely a rivalry, as the Pistons proved to Jordan that he could not win a title playing isoball.
@@Jeff_Pryce yeah before Scotty and Horace got there but once these guys matured as a player there was no debate and it wasn’t Dumar alone that stopped Jordan anyway. It was the whole Pistons team that guarded the GOAt
@@stevec5275 come on now I think you can come up with more excuses just not trying hard enough
@@Jeff_Pryce once the buls won the pistons broke up
@@columbusohio72 once the pistons broke up, the bulls won
Jordan and...
...who?
😂 cmon , don't do my guy like that
I've seen this so many times from other videos, But the one thing that is glaring to me is the end of this video showing the clip of MJ congratulating Joe Dumars when they beat the Bulls in the ECF. The next thought that comes to mind is Isaiah Thomas slinking off the court like the snake he is and not showing sportsmanship. Ever since that sweep by the Bulls, the Pistons went downhill with him as the captain of that ship.
What you don't mention is the day before that game Jordan told the press that the “The Pistons are undeserving champions” & "bad for basketball." Who the hell would shake his hand after he said that? Jordan never ran his mouth when the Pistons were kicking his ass but as soon as age and and Thomas's injury finally gave the Bulls the edge Jordan started talking shit. Jordan's a punk ass bitch.
Why would Isiah and Laimbeer, the Leaders of the Bad Boys, shake Jordan's hand after the game? Jordan is quoted in the
newspapers before the game that Detroit isn't good for basketball, that Detroit aren't good champions, that it will be good
when they are gone. Jordan's the one who made the beef public, not Isiah.
Detroit carved out an identity unique to them. They beat you physically and mentally. They had all the ups and down a team
could have from 87' thru 91'. They suffered heartbreaking losses and still came back more determined than ever. Isiah was
the unquestioned leader of that team in the locker room and on the floor. He wanted to win Championships, and in order to
do that he prepared that team to beat Boston, beat Chicago, beat LA, beat any other opponent who stood in the way.
There is a price to pay in order to reach the pinnacle, and Detroit did.
Most of the Boston Celtics starters walked off the floor with time remaining in game 6 of the ECF when Detroit beat them,
nobody from Detroit ever complains about that. It's funny that because it happened to MJ and the Bulls people get all caught
up in the fuss. They didn't like each other and that's the bottom line.
Come.Fly.with.Me
Jordan killed Joe lol look how bad he sweating
There was no rivalry..Joe D could do nothing with MJ…nothing
That not what Jordan said🤷♂️
@@julienwinn878 MJ said a lot of humble 💩 about his peers starting with Pippen…Joe couldn’t guard MJ 🤣✌🏽
Jordan said Dumars was his toughest defender🤷♂️I think I'm going to take his opinion over yours lol
@@julienwinn878 head to head stats say different✌🏽
Jordan opinion > Your opinion lol
Hahahah Joe Dumars is Michael Jordan’s rivalry????? Joe is a bum compared to the all stars of today… look at his stats!!! Lebron would average 85 pts every time he played against Joe Dumars.
Jordan did average 85 so no LeBron wouldn't. First time LeBron drives in the paint Bill Lambeer puts him on his ass. LeBron cries that is not a basketball play. Then LeBron quits on his team because they aren't good enough. Then LeBron fakes an injury or just sits out for rest.
You just mastered the art of telling us all that you know nothing about basketball without actually saying it. Jordan always had nothing but great things to say about Dumars, especially about his defense. Reggie Miller has also talked about how tough of an opponent Dumars was. I'll gladly take their opinions over yours. In the modern game Dumars would be a slightly better version of Jrue Holiday.