Once had a friend who got mad at me for not attending her party. She had never invited me. Just presumed I'd be there. Sometimes it's good to say "hey you're welcome to come along.' I'm too polite to go where I'm not invited. Ships in the night I suppose.
some people might think that his way of thinking in these situations is exaggerated, but my brother acts that exact same way, it is like a human computer, there is nothing wrong with it, we just think that because in conversations we assume a lot of things, while they don't, honestly i kind of admire it
A doctoral candidate in math lived across the hall from me in college, and I swear he was the bastard child of Turing and Sheldon Cooper, sans the social skills. If that paints a picture. Brilliant guy. We invited him to a football game one Saturday and he had never gone to a game as an undergrad. He was like a two year old at Christmas.
Well if you think about it in a computer-wise dynamic, Alan was right. His coworker never actually ASKED him to join them for lunch. He stated a fact, implying a question. But that is not how computers work. Computers actually need the question or setting to be stated clearly. His brain was just set on a computer mode already.
I like how you interpreted the way his brain worked. alan turing was supposed to be an autistic. one thing about autistic people is that you'd have to be clear and literate when communicating with them.
The supposedly "smart ones" couldn't figure out Alan was an exacting logical person. The skips, jumps and unspoken intent employed in every day speech literally was lost on Alan. So they thought him cold, arrogant, etc. One of my English teachers gave us an exercise to point out that asking A question doesn't always provide for an informative answer, the necessity of asking the RIGHT question to garner the required information was crucial.
I learned that Turing once said that what really matters to find the answer is not the right answer, but the right question. For a simple question like " can computer think?" it can be " yes, it can". But of the question were "can compiyer think like a human?" " well, ..." This just impressed me!
Wow, he taught them logic in few minutes. John stated they're going to lunch, instead of asking if Alan wants something brought from cafeteria/restaurant. Brilliant job
It is very kmportant to understand that some people simply don't clock social cues. It's not an insult, they just havn't learned it. Once you inderstand that about someone, interaction becomes much easier.
This reminds me about when telling somebody they should be treated with the contempt that they deserve, they are likely to take great offense even when they in fact don't deserve any contempt at all.
If it helps, it didn't happen in real life. The movie is a gross over-dramatization of real life incidents. Alan Turing's relationship with his co-workers was really good.
Let me explain this scene, people mistake this with being genius or highly logical but this is actually a disability in someway. Alan Turing was autistic, autistic people sometimes can't read hidden or implicit messages in the sentences, for most people it is easy to read them but not for autistics, they understand all sentences LITERALY regardless of their context. Here, it was the lunch time and they were hungry and wanted to go to lunch, the implicit meaning of telling "we are going to lunch" was that "Do you want to come?", most people can interpret this correctly but since Alan is autistic he interpret this sentence in a literal way: just a declarative sentence and not a question. This is actually stupid, why they should declare that they are going to lunch? just to let him know? Of course he was genius, no doubt about it, and of course this literal way of thinking coupled with his genius mind was exactly the same reason that helped him to break enigma (this explicit and logical way of thinking is highly suitable for math and logic), however autism in less intelligent people can became a real problem without any impressive outcome.
Blah. Soup is just a drink that is served in a bowl and you have to spoon it into your mouth a tiny bit at a time. Very inefficient. A sandwich is much more satisfying.
The enigma is a machine and the only way to crack a machine is with another machine. That's why hugh said Allen's machine could work and the best chance we've got. What do you think?
I can relate. I never understand anyone's meaning. I have to ask my husband to interpret afterwards. Always made him listen in to business phone calls, so he could interpret anything I didn't quite get. It's awful because I never know what's going on. But I'm not at all dumb, just somethings not quite connected right in my brain I guess.
Absolutely not. Every account by his colleagues says he was a sociable, good natured and had a very good sense of humor. He had many friends at Betchley. This "irascible genius" persona was cooked up by the director and Cumberbatch and made millions of people think he was an asshole who took basic social cues literally. And on a side note he would not have sneered at frequency analysis because he was one of the inventors of the technique.
@@fowl37 I see I suppose they´re just trying to create exaggerated entertainment. Aspergers have a gray area and it´s said everyone have a little of it at least.
@@fowl37 Turing was not one of the inventors of frequency analysis. It was already being being used in the 9th century. The first time I learned about it was in a Literature class, in a story called The Gold-Bug by Poe, written in 1843, about 100 years before Turing (the story itself hadn't been assigned, but I saw it the book and was interested). The way Enigma worked, however, straight frequency analysis doesn't work. Because any letter can stand for any other letter, any number of times. You could theoretically type in hldkfjhdiug and get aaaaaaaaaaa. So they had to come up with another way to break enigma, which definitely wouldn't be frequency analysis.
Be specific. That bugs me a lot. "Hey we are going to go bike riding". That is not an invitation you are simply telling me what you will be doing. Luckily one of my friends is specific so it's cool.
Dan, I'm not a Republic serial villain. Do you seriously think I'd explain my master-stroke if there remained the slightest chance of you affecting its outcome? I did it thirty-five minutes ago.
It is probably related to the Beauty Mark syndrome, the flaw that makes the rest of the artistic work stand out even more, by comparison. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beauty_mark
Doctor Strange is not in a mood with his friends to talk about girls or sandwiches. The great Doctor Stephen Strange just want to saves a thousands lives and becomes a superhero to defeat to Nazis and demons and Aliens and Thanos for destroying the earth. As his duty to protect the Time Stone and the world.
Enigme decoded the Poles and the British tried to assign merit itself. They deciphered them in 1932, in Warsaw, Marian Rejewski, Jerzy Rozycki and Henryk Zygalski. After 75 years, the British admitted in the end that the Poles deciphered Enigme. This film misrepresent stories.
They did, slowly then the Machine was changed, and the Polish efforts where rendered... not moot, it still was helpful but not enough. The Bletchly Park efforts where so fast on new machines that the Allies where decoding messages fasters than the Germans
This movie really ticks me off. By all accounts, the real Alan Turing was definitely eccentric and had his quirks, but he was also known to be pretty personable, warm, and charming. He liked to work alone, but he wasn't a dick to his coworkers and generally got along well with them. Terrible disservice to a great man by making him fit the Hollywood mold of the misunderstood genius.
Take it from someone who has a touch of autism, in my family background, genius works like this. If someone don't ask the right questions, they will just get the wrong answers; and, if someone keeps asking the wrong questions, over & over again, a genius will quickly decide they are not worth noticing - and the genius is correct, THAT person (or persons, as in this case) is just a boat anchor that's holding him back. Better to cut the line & be free, even if it means abandoning the anchor.
As someone with an autism diagnosis but is often said to be very likeable, and fun to talk to and be around, I agree with you completely. This flawed thinking and stereotypical view that we're all antisocial, humourless intellectuals don't help people relate to me on a level that makes the close friendship I seek in my first year of uni possible. As outgoing and sociable as I may be, I still have trouble with my literal processing of social expressions like banter, playful joking among other things, which can be dealt with at a slight modification of behaviour to enable me to get it. Historical accounts at Bletchley Park indicate that Turing had quite a deadpan, sarcastic sense of humour, and yet none of that was shown in scenes where his coworkers joked around. My own lively sense of humour is one of the reasons why people enjoy chatting to me, and makes me say with much passion and conviction, that Cumberbatch's Turing is a disservice, both to historical fact and extroverted neurodivergent people like myself.
This is a despicable, completely inaccurate depiction of Alan Turing! He was not an unsociable snob with Aspergers as this movie depicts… in reality he was funny, warm, charming and extremely intelligent.... this movie almost destroys his legacy. Drama at the expense of historical facts.....
Nobody liked him any less than before after watching this movie and everyone knows what Alan Turing was actually like. It does what it's supposed to; tell the story of the man who cracked the enigma. It even states at some point during the movie that not everything is accurate. It does not destroy his legacy for god sake.
Once had a friend who got mad at me for not attending her party. She had never invited me. Just presumed I'd be there. Sometimes it's good to say "hey you're welcome to come along.' I'm too polite to go where I'm not invited. Ships in the night I suppose.
My wife had the same reaction on our wedding day. I never received an invitation and I wasn’t going to crash a wedding.
@COORSMAN0790 This guy.
I felt so bad for Alan idk why I just wanted to jump through the screen and give him whatever soup he desires
I felt the same way, because alan is literally me doing anything social.
some people might think that his way of thinking in these situations is exaggerated, but my brother acts that exact same way, it is like a human computer, there is nothing wrong with it, we just think that because in conversations we assume a lot of things, while they don't, honestly i kind of admire it
His brain was working a thousand times faster than his coworkers.
His bran? Really?
@@SjofnBM1989 And your a-s-s
Unlike yours
Brain not bran
@@kulvirkhattra9570 Sorry, i fixed it
Not necessarily, just different directions.
A doctoral candidate in math lived across the hall from me in college, and I swear he was the bastard child of Turing and Sheldon Cooper, sans the social skills. If that paints a picture. Brilliant guy. We invited him to a football game one Saturday and he had never gone to a game as an undergrad. He was like a two year old at Christmas.
Haha that made me laugh 😂😂
Well if you think about it in a computer-wise dynamic, Alan was right.
His coworker never actually ASKED him to join them for lunch. He stated a fact, implying a question.
But that is not how computers work. Computers actually need the question or setting to be stated clearly.
His brain was just set on a computer mode already.
I like how you interpreted the way his brain worked. alan turing was supposed to be an autistic. one thing about autistic people is that you'd have to be clear and literate when communicating with them.
It's Called Autism, Beatrice
The. Movie. Is. Inaccurate.
(So shut the f*ck up)
@@rajdeepsindhu9268 ahh man of culture i see... lets gather and "educatication" all this fools !!
The supposedly "smart ones" couldn't figure out Alan was an exacting logical person. The skips, jumps and unspoken intent employed in every day speech literally was lost on Alan. So they thought him cold, arrogant, etc.
One of my English teachers gave us an exercise to point out that asking A question doesn't always provide for an informative answer, the necessity of asking the RIGHT question to garner the required information was crucial.
This movie set me on my path to get my Aspergers diagnosis
i am in your path my friend, right now.
I learned that Turing once said that what really matters to find the answer is not the right answer, but the right question. For a simple question like " can computer think?" it can be " yes, it can". But of the question were "can compiyer think like a human?" " well, ..." This just impressed me!
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I've learned that most of the software industry can't think, just imitate!
Wow, he taught them logic in few minutes. John stated they're going to lunch, instead of asking if Alan wants something brought from cafeteria/restaurant. Brilliant job
That scene is perfect. The movie is awesome.
I can relate to Alan. I have minor autism, so I am also on the social-awkward side too.
I am calling an expert in mental health, because i am just like Alan, may be its something in my brain, and you just reinforce my theory.
@@nazarenosalcedo7748 indeed!
@@nazarenosalcedo7748 indeed!
It is very kmportant to understand that some people simply don't clock social cues. It's not an insult, they just havn't learned it. Once you inderstand that about someone, interaction becomes much easier.
'Good Lord what is it about women and little hats?'
I don’t get that sentence
@@hannahfham3335 He's asking why it's in fashion for women to wear small hats. I just find it funny because I agree with him
@@daydreamer0798 I think he meant that he was attracted to women in little hats
@@vibepolice499 We're talking about Hugh here and I don't think he is???
Little women IN hats. Meaning they looked good
I relate with Alan in this scene...so much.
As an autistic person, me too, man
@@HelloIamCloudy I can totally see that.
I'm not even autistic....I don't think. I'm just daft and clueless.
This reminds me about when telling somebody they should be treated with the contempt that they deserve, they are likely to take great offense even when they in fact don't deserve any contempt at all.
Alan Turing and Arnie Grape remind me so much of my big sister, and I love it!
I have to agree with Alan at the beginning of this. He wasn’t originally invited.
I almost cried at this sence
Yo same
I don’t know why but I did
If it helps, it didn't happen in real life.
The movie is a gross over-dramatization of real life incidents. Alan Turing's relationship with his co-workers was really good.
I'm a hungry man myself.
Try asking AI with the statement 'We're going to get some lunch' and see if it knows you're asking if it would like to join.
Let me explain this scene, people mistake this with being genius or highly logical but this is actually a disability in someway. Alan Turing was autistic, autistic people sometimes can't read hidden or implicit messages in the sentences, for most people it is easy to read them but not for autistics, they understand all sentences LITERALY regardless of their context.
Here, it was the lunch time and they were hungry and wanted to go to lunch, the implicit meaning of telling "we are going to lunch" was that "Do you want to come?", most people can interpret this correctly but since Alan is autistic he interpret this sentence in a literal way: just a declarative sentence and not a question. This is actually stupid, why they should declare that they are going to lunch? just to let him know?
Of course he was genius, no doubt about it, and of course this literal way of thinking coupled with his genius mind was exactly the same reason that helped him to break enigma (this explicit and logical way of thinking is highly suitable for math and logic), however autism in less intelligent people can became a real problem without any impressive outcome.
did he get his soup?
Blah. Soup is just a drink that is served in a bowl and you have to spoon it into your mouth a tiny bit at a time. Very inefficient. A sandwich is much more satisfying.
Some people are literal but most have some inference in the way they think.
I'm hungry.
I keep trying to remember who THAT GUY is but it's the guy from Watchmen that I never remember the name of
Jesus! , I would never have picked that up!
bloody obvious now you said it
Matthew Goode! Ozymandias from Watchmen!
i bet mr turing was a cold and kinda pretentious person for us, but deep inside was a sweet and loving person for the closest ones.
Irl Mr Turing was a friendly person with a bit snarky sense of humour. His colleagues liked him despite his quirks (or maybe because of them?).
The enigma is a machine and the only way to crack a machine is with another machine. That's why hugh said Allen's machine could work and the best chance we've got. What do you think?
I can relate. I never understand anyone's meaning. I have to ask my husband to interpret afterwards. Always made him listen in to business phone calls, so he could interpret anything I didn't quite get. It's awful because I never know what's going on. But I'm not at all dumb, just somethings not quite connected right in my brain I guess.
When I studied Greek, it was nearly impossible to get me to respond to English. Concentration destroys civility, sometimes.
So, did Alan Turing actually have Aspergers?
It's highly suspected that he did, yes.
Sheldon from Big Bang Theory was based on his personality.
@@safebox36 It figures that a person who is main responsible for inventing changes to society, challenges social norms.
Absolutely not. Every account by his colleagues says he was a sociable, good natured and had a very good sense of humor. He had many friends at Betchley. This "irascible genius" persona was cooked up by the director and Cumberbatch and made millions of people think he was an asshole who took basic social cues literally.
And on a side note he would not have sneered at frequency analysis because he was one of the inventors of the technique.
@@fowl37 I see I suppose they´re just trying to create exaggerated entertainment. Aspergers have a gray area and it´s said everyone have a little of it at least.
@@fowl37 Turing was not one of the inventors of frequency analysis. It was already being being used in the 9th century. The first time I learned about it was in a Literature class, in a story called The Gold-Bug by Poe, written in 1843, about 100 years before Turing (the story itself hadn't been assigned, but I saw it the book and was interested).
The way Enigma worked, however, straight frequency analysis doesn't work. Because any letter can stand for any other letter, any number of times. You could theoretically type in hldkfjhdiug and get aaaaaaaaaaa. So they had to come up with another way to break enigma, which definitely wouldn't be frequency analysis.
Asperger’s is hard, for both sides.
Be specific. That bugs me a lot. "Hey we are going to go bike riding". That is not an invitation you are simply telling me what you will be doing.
Luckily one of my friends is specific so it's cool.
Have you ever looked into whether you have autism? What you have said about your thinking suggests that you might feasibly have autism.
Exactly. I don't how many times I get asked "Daddy, can I do ?" and I have to answer "I don't know, CAN you? You know your capabilities."
Lol
Dan, I'm not a Republic serial villain. Do you seriously think I'd explain my master-stroke if there remained the slightest chance of you affecting its outcome? I did it thirty-five minutes ago.
No really. What _is_ it about women with little hats?
It is probably related to the Beauty Mark syndrome, the flaw that makes the rest of the artistic work stand out even more, by comparison.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beauty_mark
Men can appreciate whimsy.
Doctor Strange is not in a mood with his friends to talk about girls or sandwiches. The great Doctor Stephen Strange just want to saves a thousands lives and becomes a superhero to defeat to Nazis and demons and Aliens and Thanos for destroying the earth. As his duty to protect the Time Stone and the world.
Enigme decoded the Poles and the British tried to assign merit itself. They deciphered them in 1932, in Warsaw, Marian Rejewski, Jerzy Rozycki and Henryk Zygalski. After 75 years, the British admitted in the end that the Poles deciphered Enigme. This film misrepresent stories.
They did, but the Germans later changed the design of Enigma and the Polish decryption methods were rendered useless.
it took 3 weeks to decipher a single short message by the method created by the Polish mathematicians
They did, slowly then the Machine was changed, and the Polish efforts where rendered... not moot, it still was helpful but not enough. The Bletchly Park efforts where so fast on new machines that the Allies where decoding messages fasters than the Germans
I think that was called the Bombe machine wasn't it? Or something like that
Engima was cracked by poles by the year 1928
This movie really ticks me off. By all accounts, the real Alan Turing was definitely eccentric and had his quirks, but he was also known to be pretty personable, warm, and charming. He liked to work alone, but he wasn't a dick to his coworkers and generally got along well with them. Terrible disservice to a great man by making him fit the Hollywood mold of the misunderstood genius.
Take it from someone who has a touch of autism, in my family background, genius works like this. If someone don't ask the right questions, they will just get the wrong answers; and, if someone keeps asking the wrong questions, over & over again, a genius will quickly decide they are not worth noticing - and the genius is correct, THAT person (or persons, as in this case) is just a boat anchor that's holding him back. Better to cut the line & be free, even if it means abandoning the anchor.
As someone with an autism diagnosis but is often said to be very likeable, and fun to talk to and be around, I agree with you completely. This flawed thinking and stereotypical view that we're all antisocial, humourless intellectuals don't help people relate to me on a level that makes the close friendship I seek in my first year of uni possible. As outgoing and sociable as I may be, I still have trouble with my literal processing of social expressions like banter, playful joking among other things, which can be dealt with at a slight modification of behaviour to enable me to get it. Historical accounts at Bletchley Park indicate that Turing had quite a deadpan, sarcastic sense of humour, and yet none of that was shown in scenes where his coworkers joked around. My own lively sense of humour is one of the reasons why people enjoy chatting to me, and makes me say with much passion and conviction, that Cumberbatch's Turing is a disservice, both to historical fact and extroverted neurodivergent people like myself.
This is a despicable, completely inaccurate depiction of Alan Turing! He was not an unsociable snob with Aspergers as this movie depicts… in reality he was funny, warm, charming and extremely intelligent.... this movie almost destroys his legacy.
Drama at the expense of historical facts.....
Nobody liked him any less than before after watching this movie and everyone knows what Alan Turing was actually like. It does what it's supposed to; tell the story of the man who cracked the enigma. It even states at some point during the movie that not everything is accurate. It does not destroy his legacy for god sake.
Narcissa Faith well they could’ve worked around making him a douchebag!
This isn't unsociable. This is socially oblivious, which many of his peers and he himself stated he was.
Safebox Gaming well he wasn’t friendless and had a good sense of humour.... he was nowhere near this movie depiction!
same thing happened to Neil Armstrong
What kinda freak doesn’t like sandwiches...
The kind that breaks Enigma and saves 14 million lives.